| IVOD_ID |
16558 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16558 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-31T08:31:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-31T12:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:10:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。二、繼續審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。三、繼續審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條例草案」案。四、繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。五、繼續審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。六、繼續審查委員陳玉珍等16人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案。七、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。八、繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。九、繼續審查委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十、繼續審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十一、繼續審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十二、繼續審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十三、繼續審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十四、繼續審查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十五、繼續審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十六、繼續審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十七、繼續審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十八、繼續審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「國定假日法草案」案。十九、繼續審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十、繼續審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十一、繼續審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十二、繼續審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十三、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十四、繼續審查委員高金素梅等29人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十五、繼續審查委員徐欣瑩等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十六、審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案。二十七、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「中華民國國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。【第二十六案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書、第二十七案如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查。】） |
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大家早安 請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員6人 已足法定人數好 現在開會進行報告事項 請宣讀上次議事錄立法院第11屆第三會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議議事錄 時間114年3月26日星期四上午9時5分至16時16分 地點紅樓202會議室 出席委員牛許廷委員等14人 列席委員楊瓊英委員等10人 |
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列席官员内政部部长刘世芳即相关人员原住民组委员会副主任委员钟兴华即相关人员大陆委员会人事室主任黄群芳海洋委员会人事处副处长郑忠坚即相关人员劳动部常务次长陈明仁即相关人员行政院人事行政总处培训考用处处长李花书外交部人事处副处长吴迪文国防部人事参谋次长市人事勤务处处长陈威宗教育部人事处专门委员陈佩军法务部参事廖江县主席牛 |
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报告事项宣读上次会议一事录决定确定讨论事项继续审查纪念日及节日实施条例草案案及19案审查纪念日及节日实施条例草案案及6案委员黄建豪徐欣盈高金素梅说明提案要指后大体讨论完毕进行逐条审查决议 |
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1.委员牛旭婷等22人所提第1条、第3条、第4条、第5条、第6条、第7条、第13条条文相关委员提案内容为牛旭婷等50人及为麦玉珍等5人所提修正动议之相关条文均一并保留2.法案名称赵伟牛旭婷等提案通过为纪念日及节日实施条例3.第二条赵伟牛旭婷等提案通过条文如下第二条本条例之主管机关为内政部 |
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4.第8条修正通过条文修正如下第8条纪念日及节日之方假日逢例假日者应予补假调整方假及补行上班日其除其他法令另有规定者外有目的事业主管机关条一并公告之5.第9条修正通过条文修正如下第9条 |
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第四条第六条即前条放假日之条一情形特殊者得依下列规定办理依交通运输警察校消防海巡医疗官务矫正等全年无休实施轮班轮休制度之政府机关或机构有目的是业主管机关条一之二签款签款以外为民服务之政府机关或机构学校在不影响为民服务之原则下有目的是业主管机关是实际业务需要条一之 |
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1982.704 |
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3.军事机关基于国防安全考量及因应战备之需要由目的事业主管机关事实际需要调一支6.委员牛许婷等22人委员张志伦等18人委员高金素梅等29人所提第10条委员牛许婷等50人所提修正动议第10条委员高金素梅等18人所提第9条委员洪梦凯等16人所提第6条及委员徐欣颖等22人所提第11条条文均不予采纳 |
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1985.153 |
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2009.393 |
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7.委员刘许霆等22人委员张志伦等18人委员高金素梅等29人所提第11条台湾民众党党团委员武力华等17人委员徐玉珍等19人委员杨琼英等31人委员林思明等20人委员罗廷伟等23人委员万美玲等19人委员黄建豪等16人委员李燕秀等16人委员廖伟祥等16人所提第9条条文委员赖世宝等22人委员陈玉珍等16人 |
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政天才委员政天才等18人委员王洪威等19人委员翁晓琳等18人委员叶元之等21人委员林倩琪等20人所提第8条委员高金素梅等18人所提第10条及委员徐欣英等22人所提第12条条文均不予采纳 |
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2050.312 |
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8.委员牛许婷等22人文章志伦等18人文高金素梅等29人所提第12条委员叶炎之等21人文鲁明哲等16人所提第9条委员李燕秀等16人所提第10条及委员徐新英等20人所提第13条条文均不予采纳7.委员陈寅等16人所提第7条条文不予采纳8.暂行保留条文含修正动议军令定期继续审查宣读完毕 |
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謝謝 請問各位委員 上次會議事錄有錯誤或遺漏之處好 沒有錯誤 議事錄確定現在繼續進行討論事項 請宣讀 |
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继续审查委员赖世宝等22人拟据纪念日及节日实施法草案案继续审查委员高清素美等18人拟据纪念日及节日实施条例草案案继续审查委员陈寅等16人拟据国家纪文化节日实施条例草案案继续审查委员吴丽华等17人拟据国家纪念日及节日实施法草案案继续审查委员牛许婷等22人拟据纪念日及节日实施条例草案案 |
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2089.35 |
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继续审查委员陈玉珍等16人拟据中华民国国定纪念日与节日实施法草案继续审查台湾民众党党团拟据纪念日及节日实施条例草案继续审查委员郑天才等18人委员王洪威等19人分别拟据国家纪念日及节日实施法草案继续审查委员徐玉珍等19人拟据纪念日及节日实施法草案 |
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继续审查 |
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黃建豪等16人委員李燕秀等16人委員廖偉祥等16人委員高金素梅等29人委員徐欣盈等22人分別擬據紀念日及節日實施條例查案宣讀完畢 |
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好,謝謝 |
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另外本次議程所列討論事項第26案及第27案因為沒有不附議同意書我們就不予處理先來介紹在場委員及列席官員委員的部分有高金素梅委員麥玉珍委員張志倫委員我們本委員會部分有張宏祿委員王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員 |
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李柏毅委員還有我們民眾黨麥玉珍委員還有我們黃建豪委員跟廖先祥委員官員的部分我們內政部劉世芳部長原住民組委員會鍾新華副主任委員勞動部陳明仁常務次長其他部分我們就自行參閱 |
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好 報告委員會 我們現在繼續進行保留條文的協商 |
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我們直接用逐條討論的方式來處理吧好不好那都留下記錄我們就照上一次的順序嘛上一次我們法案名稱已經確定那現在第一條的部分叫做立法理由嘛 |
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那上一次我們討論的結果是因為我們本來的版本是紀念國家發展歷史傳承中華民族及促進多元文化發展嘛那我們高一金素美委員的部分因為有講要彰顯原住民族的傳統文化價值所以說上一次的部分我們經過討論就提案的牛許廷委員跟高一金素美委員有討論的共識版本將會把它改成以紀念這個族群啦各族群的 |
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傳統民族及促進多元文化發展我們是不是請議事委員把上一次討論到一半的那個條文放到螢幕上好不好 |
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好那我們看一下第一條的內容我念一下給大家聽請問這樣子的文字我們在場各位委員有問題嗎 |
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我們的同仁有根據兩位委員所提的部分希望說在以紀念國家發展歷史後面是泥鋸國家發展促進多元文化但是後面傳承各族群等等這些我們並沒有特別的意見就是紀念國家發展歷史的時候泥鋸國家發展因為在第三條跟第五條不好意思那一句是什麼紀念國家發展歷史我們本來是寫以泥鋸國家發展 |
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以凝聚國家發展傳承各族群傳統民俗及促進多元文化打上去我們討論一下 |
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請問部長這是什麼意思你可以說清楚嗎是我們那個在鍾理思討論的時候呢就是說在原來原來這個兩位委員還沒有提案之前我們的原來在我們的我們原來的那個條文裡面就彰顯紀念日等等等等明定放假日慶祝或紀念活動凝聚國家發展促進多元文化特制定本條例那後來在兩位委員有特別提到說希望可以把 |
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傳承各族群傳統民俗及促進多元文化發展放到裡面去那我們認為說這其實在整體的彰顯意義上面的還不錯這最主要我們是提到泥鋸這兩個字好那看可不可以也列入這樣子的討論那提供給各委員參考 |
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所以讓你說明凝聚的意思是什麼凝聚的意思就是說在過去是依據中華民國憲法的嗎不是不是當然沒有我先跟各位報告一下最主要就是說我們在第三條跟第五條裡面我們要舉出的紀念日跟這個節日裡面那後來呢我們有在 |
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整理所有的委員跟所有的黨團所提到的紀念日跟節日名稱再加上上一次很多委員包括高金委員還有包括麥委員還有包括蘇巧慧委員還有張宏路委還有劉委員提到說在過去一段發展歷史裡面我們更可以從紀念日跟節日裡面知道整個台灣的發展上面碰到什麼樣子的一個不管是戰爭也好 |
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或者是慶祝活動甚至宗教禮俗文化等等這些那如果我們可以把它變成紀念日跟節日的話是讓現在在台灣的不管是各族群或是所有的國民都知道說我們紀念這個節日或者是在彰顯這個節日它的特殊意義在哪裡所以我們認為呢泥鋸國家發展這幾個字如果可以放到裡面去的話呢對於整個條文上面的可能會更明確一點那以上提供給各位委員來參考 |
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部長你講了那麼長沒有辦法說服我其實呢我們的紀念日還有這些就是在辦活動的同時就是凝聚大家了嘛那你一定要把這個凝聚國家發展我是因為今天我們不是講發展法 |
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我們是講的是紀念日我念一下為彰顯紀念日及節日的特殊意義並規定放假日期舉行慶祝或紀念活動以紀念國家發展的歷史傳承各族群的傳統民俗及促進多元文化發展特制定本條例 |
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很順暢你在前面以一個以凝聚國家發展促進多元我覺得實在是挺複雜的這個文字看起來是不太順暢您剛剛的說法就一直在講說希望能夠紀念然後再促進多元文化發展傳承各族群傳統你要跟這個凝聚 我覺得很奇怪我們在辦活動的同時就已經是凝聚大家了 |
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那你需要把凝聚這兩個字放起來你剛剛的說法沒有辦法說服我謝謝不然我的想法是這樣就是說我覺得發展用凝聚有點奇怪啦 |
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就是說比如說凝聚國家認同就大家團結起來大家一起同意同意他的歷史或者是怎麼樣或紀念一些事情我覺得是OK或者你如果講促進國家發展這樣比較順這樣我理解但是凝聚國家發展我覺得有點奇怪啦我覺得有點奇怪是不是我們這文字上再來再來做一下修正 |
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好 但我們先請李博弈 剛剛博弈委員先請他發言一下 我們再一起說明我們現在上面秀的文字好像不是劉部長剛剛講的應該是說沒有沒有沒有剛剛是說這個舉行慶祝或紀念活動那前面那一句不見了部長的意思前面那一句應該還有一個 |
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加一句那你把那一句弄不見了齁那凝聚國家發展這個是不是要可以調整一下再來討論但是前面那一句紀念國家歷史發展那個那個我覺得還是要放上去他還是不見了啊 |
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部長你是要取代掉你是用凝聚國家發展來取代今天國家發展是什麼請問一下這是誰在打字的不能用那種什麼編輯修正把我們刪掉的還是先保留在上面有槓掉這word不是有很簡單這個功能嗎大家這樣可以看比較清楚啊編輯編輯修訂那個功能可以開啟一下嗎 |
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我們原來的一個思考點當然就是說我們希望條文簡潔所以才有一個就是說直接把那個什麼紀念國家發展歷史什麼我們用一個鄰居國家發展應該後面有一個鄰居國家發展願景然後那個 |
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那個促進多元文化就是包括各族群都已經包括進來了就不需要再一個就是傳承各民族民族及什麼促進多元文化發展我們的想法是用比較簡潔文字去思考這個問題啊 |
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主席 我覺得剛才部長說的比市長說的更清楚是不是?補充再說一下 我覺得他的解釋聽不清楚不好意思 他比較緊張 |
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那個我跟大家再報告一下就是說我們在部內針對上個禮拜開完立法院的會議之後有做一下我們的檢討但是這是提供給各委員參考就是說因為它第一條是要明定我們整個的節日的實施法的重要的一個框架那這個框架我們會認為比較簡潔的方式就是說第一句跟第二句我想大家都沒意見 |
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那是第三句開始的話是你一句國家發展促進多元文化特制定本條例就是這兩句而已但是呢我們又剛剛看到保留審查的部分有寫紀念國家發展歷史傳承各族群傳統民俗及促進多元文化發展等於是三個不同的框架的意義那這兩邊我想我們大家都可以接受 |
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但是框架上面如果更明確可以彰顯的話會更好那所以剛剛我有跟市長講說我們大概不會很堅持說這些文字要怎麼放下去就是以尊重委員為主啦大概是這樣子理論上好 喬惠委員 |
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好 如果部長是這樣表示的話那我覺得我也是可以支持這個第一條的版本就是回到我們現在修正的會彰顯紀念日及節日之特殊意義並規定放假日期及舉行慶祝或紀念活動以紀念國家發展歷史傳承各族群傳統民俗你可以不要動嗎 對 |
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传承各族群传统民俗及促进多元文化发展特制定本条例我觉得支持这个版本那个凝聚国家发展其实确实是可以不用了因为如果改成各族群传统民俗这样的话是纪念发展历史然后传承民俗促进多元文化发展 |
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我想這樣子應該就是可以包含我們希望藉著這個紀念日及節日的條例最後達到的是你具國家發展這樣子的一個共識我想用三句話來表彰反而比一句話清楚啦 |
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好 謝謝我覺得真的你放給你的主持人是不知道那個意思是什麼對啦 好不好那我們就按照我們上次的反本好不好就是這一句話拆成三句話三句話你記成一句話 可以啦OK 好 那就麻煩那個Eason某某 |
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我再念一次為彰顯紀念日節日是特殊意義並規定放假日期及舉行慶祝或紀念活動以紀念國家發展歷史傳承各族群傳統民俗及促進多元文化發展特制定本條例紀念日及節日時是依本條例之規定請問各位委員有沒有問題好 第一條我們修正通過 謝謝好 第三條第二條我們上次已經討論過了第三條的部分 |
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你說第三條的部分嗎我們委員應該會先有些想法太好了太好了謝謝好我們這個內政部有準備一些資料發給大家我先跟大家報告一下第三條的脈絡上一次因為到底哪一些是紀念日哪一些是節日大家花了很長的一段時間來做討論那後來我們就希望說大家回去之後把自己有想法的來做一下彙整 |
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那今天內政部有一些資料好一邊發資料我們請張宏立委員發言那如果內政部他有發這個我們就請部長先說了啦好不然我們不然等一下又要說一次重來好不好 部長謝謝召委請部長好 謝謝召委這個是這樣子齁這個是上一次我們已經有發給各位委員一份就是從我們是用月別啦1月到12月有哪一些紀念日跟節日 |
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那現在我們是根據條文上面我們先從第三條開始那我們也把每一個委員在所有的29位委員的提案或者是黨團提案裡面都把它放到這裡面去也就是我們這是一個清單 |
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這是一個清單那我跟各位委員再很簡單報告一下就是第三條紀念日的名稱及日期如下我們把所有的委員大概有這個紀念日一共有27個紀念日 |
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那包括這個第二個武力華他委員提到世界母語日然後鄭天才、林倩琪有民族平等紀念日那言論自由日的話比較多是像高金素美委員、武力華委員、劉委員民眾黨黨團、楊瓊英委員、魯明哲、洪孟凱、張志倫、李燕秀委員等等這些那依序下來譬如說文化部他們認為說白色恐怖記憶日5月19要放進去那還有高金委員的援助民族抵抗日我們也把它爐裂下來 |
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所以我們這次的爐列的部分是按照日期1月2月3月然後誰提案就寫在後面把所有的委員的提案都寫在這裡面那譬如說我再舉個例子原住民族日的話大概相當多包括從高金委員到徐巧欣委員等等都把它寫在裡面那中戰紀念日的話包括楊瓊英委員魯明哲委員都寫在非常清楚 |
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那再來就是這個16、17、18國家防災日有很多委員寫進去裡面但是這裡面沒有討論的就是說為什麼紀念日跟節日到底怎麼區分我們是根據每個委員他認為是放在紀念日裡面就把它放到這裡來 |
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好他放在節日的話我們就放到那邊去那這個區分呢等一下我們的這個行政機關也有不同的一個這個解釋的方法我們希望說他能夠有一致性會比較好不會說如果是有宗教的話呢可能放在第五條那有些宗教就放在第三條那所以這些不曉得我們在爐裂的時候呢這裡面是不是夠多 |
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這只是一個清單跟各位報告只是一個清單或者是說他這樣是不是適合提供給各位參考那譬如說我舉個例子像22的那個臺灣光復祭金門古寧頭大節紀念日同樣都是10月25日但是臺灣光復的那一個年次跟金門古寧頭大節的年次好像差了兩年還三年了我沒有查到那是不是適合放在一起也請各位來參考一下 |
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這是我們所提的這個部分所以就是叫做紀念日的名稱及日期如下就是綜合上一次上次各位如果看到另外的版本也是我們自己這個中理師所提的那這個是中理師所跟大家再做一下清單的部分以上很簡單跟各位報告 |
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好 所以這一份基本上是大家提案的匯總啦好 就是用連籍的概念來處理這件事情那我補充一下因為上一次我們討論的時候其實針對第三條也有討論嘛包含比如說佛陀誕辰紀念日大家其實都蠻有共識這屬於宗教民俗一類嘛所以它要移到節日嘛那本來放在節日裡面的全國客家日是要移到紀念日嘛好不好那 |
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大家針對這一份有沒有什麼想法跟意見要爭要刪我們現在可以來做一下討論我們花一點時間來處理報告主席好 高金樹美委員然後請黃建豪委員好 我有一件我想提的事情就是說我們在第一次開會的時候已經大家做出決議了就是說沒有來到現場的委員他的提案就不會在我們討論之內 |
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所以陳寅跟吳立環委員他們都已經撤案了我想內政部當你們來提供所有訊息的時候你們應該要依照我們開會裡面的決議這是第一件事情第二件事情就是你上面有那麼多國民黨的提名的節日 |
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召委已經講過了你們已經有一個修正動議的辦法都在裡面對不對所以我認為今天內政部你們提供的資料不應該再有你們是都沒有再參加我們的會議嗎 |
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對啊你如果沒有有參加我們會議你這個資料就整理得很不清楚啊你是不是就不應該把這些第一次提案的這個這些委員的名稱就放進去我覺得這樣子你很不注重我們前幾次開會這個委員的大家的決議耶那譬如說我們講的客家日那你應該就要想現場是 |
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這個民進黨的委員所提的包括張宏祿召委你這樣子才會尊重我們前兩次在這邊辛苦審法案審法條的委員嗎我覺得你們真的非常的不認真以上我提供一下我也希望召委我們是不是就建議就因為我們上次的決議沒有來的委員 撤案的委員就不會在我們討論的範圍之內好 謝謝 |
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我回應一下我們高精素美委員因為其實我們辦公室也有整理一份我們辦公室整理一份的邏輯就是基於上一次討論的結果所以大家手上我們大概該拿到的在這裡叫各委員提議紀念日及節日增列調整就把我剛剛講的交換放下去我也覺得我認同因為我們內政一向以來基本上如果你沒有提案或者是測案它其實還被放進來其實滿奇怪的 |
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所以我覺得我們應該順著上次的脈絡來調整所以我是不是請各位委員我們各位這個同仁我們就用這個表格來看好不好我們用這個表格來看沒有我知道印一下給大家我印一下給大家好不好 |
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來啦那個還有上次對不起我再補充說明一下上次我們要結束我們的會議的時候我們也有請在場的民進黨團或者是民進黨委員能不能提出你們心裡面想要的節日那我也希望待會能夠也一併看到大家這樣子討論才會有進度好嗎謝謝我們請黃建豪委員他剛剛先舉手然後一邊我們一邊講一邊討論然後我們一邊把這個表格印下來好不好我們再進到裡面這個往後往後走來建豪委員有請 |
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好,謝謝我們召委,謝謝內政部整理的這個文件我第一個是要Echo一下那個什麼佛陀誕辰紀念日理論上他應該比較像是放在節日啦這是第一件事情,我覺得建議這樣那另外一個是說那個佛陀誕辰紀念日如果是放在節日的話我覺得大家可以討論,欸我不知道上次有沒有討論,抱歉喔那個孔子誕辰紀念日他是屬於 |
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是属于宗教文化还是属于这种国家纪念日我觉得这这口词变成纪念日可以可以可以看考虑一下是要放在什么地方哦然后另外就是我之前有提到一个所谓的解研纪念日算12条这个应该没有问题应该就放在这个纪念日里面这是我的主张那另外好先这样子好了谢谢 |
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趙宏哲委我覺得剛剛高軍委員說的就是我們內政我們還是照內政不過大家記不記得上一次內政部有給我們這一張我覺得上次內政部有給我們這一張我們也可以用這一張來看但是我覺得 |
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為了我們討論方便啦吼我們是不是用內政部這一張然後呢第三條第五條吼內政部你們整理的這個很好啦吼但是呢不是啦但是呢不用去管哪個立法委員有提案啦 |
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我們不要去管哪個第三條第五條不要去管哪個立委有提案我們是把我們就是沒有來的我們就不討論但我們現在就是把應該要放進去的把它放進去把立委的那些都把它刪掉這樣子才合理啦對不對我覺得應該要這樣子來處理啦好不好不好意思請大家再稍微等一下啦因為我這樣表格就是根據我們上一次討論的那他這一 |
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還在嘛 這張也可以印給大家這張可以 大家作為參考嘛因為我覺得我們待會兒以上一次討論的東西作為依據嘛然後再著以其他的資料不管是內政部剛剛發的 之前發的然後哪些要放進來嘛或者是哪些要移除嘛好 其實大家再會聚焦嘛 對不對 |
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然後呢那個我是不是這樣齁那個能不能請內政部啊齁就我剛剛所說的你們第三條第五條啊齁你們去看一下啊然後把那個立委的那些都拿都拿掉我們不管哪個立委有沒有提案我們只是要看這個日子是不是合而已你們能不能再弄一份這個就收回去弄一份新的給我們啊好我們現在馬上處理 |
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就把後面的 區議政委員謝謝主席我想內政部所提供這兩份表格讓我們覺得很奇怪就是我們內政委員的名字沒有放進去反而放一些不是內委會委員的名字而且也不在現場的跟上一次最後主席的結論說不在現場的委員的提案就不予審查那為什麼 |
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這一張這個表格還有這麼多當時不在現場而且也不是內政委員會的委員所以我覺得內政部這一份的這個整理其實明顯的讓我們覺得很不尊重我們內政委員會的委員謝謝 |
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主席如果是這樣的話就以當時審查到最後一分鐘最後一分鐘在現場的才算數喔因為今天現在在現場跟上次最後一分鐘在現場也不一樣喔對啊要用最後一分鐘在這時候只有我們幾個人在而已嘛對啊其實到了最後就是其實就是 |
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要嘛你要回到這一份嘛因為我們一路就是從很多的版本然後大家各自做整合收縮之後你這邊版本上面再去做增刪當然也是可以那我講嘛其實上一次討論我們也是針對這幾份來做增刪啦所以我整理的表格就是依據就是依據這一份上面的這一份上面的相關的節日來做增刪這點我是同意的好不好那我們就稍微稍微再等一下 |
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主席 主席 抱歉 我覺得你也很用心的有經歷那天我們開會最不好的感覺是內政的把你那份資料都給我們做參考這樣啦 好不好因為這下來就是大家要參考說對啊 好不好 以上來 麥建委員對不起 黃建委員先的 抱歉抱歉抱歉 |
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八千八千 黃婕薇 待會蔓一貞薇不好意思這麼久都沒有叫到我 主席對啊 我的意思是說如果要依據上一次的結論那是不是上面其實很多人也都是上次都不在現場那他們的這個也都不要放是這個意思嗎 |
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對啊 因為包括其實剛剛發言的幾位委員其實上一次也都沒有在現場也都不是內政委員然後甚至像剛剛其實有委員提到說佛陀紀念誕辰日到底是紀念日還是節日其實上一次也有討論過啦那我們就是趕快從上一次有的結論再往下討論那如果已經討論過的東西是不是就不要再浪費時間了然後是不是就請內政部盡快的把這個再重新給一份 |
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所有紀念日跟節日的清單然後這個清單是依據上一次我們討論到最後現場留下來的包括我們這幾位委員我然後美惠委員 喬惠委員 博益委員 鴻祿委員都有坐在這裡做到最後的這幾個最後的結論再給我們好不好好 麥中緣 |
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好謝謝主席我是要講兩個重點第一個重點就是說我們當天在開會的時候就是說我們所有的國民黨的委員就以我們國民黨的委員對在這邊的以召委的版本來去討論第一個我們就順這個第二個 |
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第二個我們就是說我們來現場的我們來現場都講說我們就是以我們現場現在我們的主席真的很用心這個部分應該是內政部這邊要幫忙做從後面的記錄 |
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所以我们的牛委员就把所有大家讲到我们现场的委员讲到的纪念日都把它整理下来所以我们希望说以我们现在整理下来的也在场的来去讨论说我们的纪念日是不是照我们上次我们讨论后的就是牛委员整理的把它放进来 |
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還有節日我們整理因為現場很多委員說應該這個放應該那個放所以我們女委員很用心就把我們想要的都放進來我覺得以這樣去走下去比較順啦不要就把我們所有的委員就是以前的什麼都就把它整理起來就整個回頭路又沒有辦法進步的討論所以我建議說我們就是以現在 |
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我們手上都有劉委員給的就是整理的所有的資料這一份還有我們當天我們就是修正的這兩份來去對照來去討論我覺得比較實際又有效率以上謝謝 |
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好 大家手上都拿到表格然後我跟大家報告一下就是這個是那天有在場委員然後我們經過討論之後整理出來的初步版本那我跟大家說明一下更動的部分第一個紀念日的佛陀誕辰紀念日經過那天的討論原則上他要放在節日所以在節日那邊新增 紀念日那邊移除這個我們倉入委員有提到這個白色恐怖記憶日嘛然後5月19號還有這個鄭成功誕辰紀念日8月27號我們有把它放進紀念日裡面 |
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那麼還有我們民眾黨特別在乎的國際移民日的部分也有針列在紀念日的裡面那麼全國客假日則是從節日移到紀念日嘛因為那是一個這個綠定的這個版本嘛那節日的部分也一樣這是參酌大家那剛剛有人問說光復節為什麼要拿掉因為其實 |
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我們都希望說它邏輯一致嘛有一些節日或紀念日會出現同時的情況有一些是約定成熟有一些可以做調整那上一次討論的時候大家就說那光復節既然已經寫在台灣光復祭金門古寧頭大節紀念日那節日就不一定要再放好 這是那一天我們討論到那一天為止的結果那我們現在順著這一份表格好不好這一份表格大家往下討論OK好 我們就看表格紀念日的部分大家有沒有問題 請稍微 |
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我剛有請內政部把他們上禮拜的這個啊內政部你們發了沒我覺得兩份合在一起討論啦好不好這樣才不會避免有疏漏啦這樣互相對照啦對啊對啊不然有的可能沒有啊 |
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沒有啦 字比較小的那一張啦就是沒有委員名字 但是有各個各個主管機關認定截止的那一張嘛 對不對對啦 我覺得這樣子才不會怪異漏腕啦這個我覺得沒有關係 討論一下嘛那你們都沒注意的聽蘇達杜亞說要開闊對啊 蘇達杜亞就說叫你們這間要撥到那邊去 |
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好 那個主席我建議一下好不好我看現在內政部現在也是一臉茫然 |
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因為這個我們這樣我建議休息五分鐘然後讓內政部整理一下比如說他不是那個內政部你們的我們現在用這兩個去討論那你們的第三條第五條你們有加的有什麼的你看是要用牛委員的這一張還是什麼你們有增加的把它特別勾出來啦這樣子我們才好討論啦好不好這樣休息五分鐘啦 |
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好 我們好 我們休息五分鐘啦大家消化一下因為資料剛進來嘛我們消化一下但是大部分寫在表格上第一個是討論結果第二個是本來就規定在辦法裡面的啦那我們覺得我個人是覺得說除非有什麼非常重大的理由否則本來在辦法上應該予以維持嘛然後我們針對增跟調整跟刪來可以做一下討論好不好好 我們9點45繼續開會現在休息 |
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因為上次有講說你有敵 |
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還是兩邊放一個啦 |
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放節日比較好這樣每個節日也不一定放假沒有啦 跟放假沒有關係 他意思是這樣子我覺得你邏輯應該認人認真對 |
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我覺得國際主義 |
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現在先不要動作 可是可以去收一些證好啊 那就放節日啊那不好意思 我出漏了那這個就放紀念日 各家的就放紀念日OK好 |
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他只是聯合國指定的日子啦他跟我們的歷史沒有任何關係他跟沒有歷史關係啦就是說有歷史關係放紀念日所以我覺得我們這樣子跑一下這幾天現在目前為止有沒有符合今天的邏輯有符合我們就給他通過然後節日部分我們再來討論 |
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沒有啦 春節是道教節 我今天沒有寫出來 |
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是盜竅節 沒有 是盜竅節 有寫在裡面那是舊的啊 還有辦法留一定的你知道我本來版本是要拿掉的 反正我怕被他罵了就是盜竅節跟佛羅一起拿掉 就是都不要放但我覺得這樣好像比較好 因為我覺得我們可以爭啦但是我不太敢刪啦我不太敢刪啦 |
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馬祖先 上帝公先 帝君先 |
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對啊 你那麼多 你真的 |
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我們今天是先處理啦我同意啊 造條是來了所以今天這樣跑下來 目前大家有沒有問題就是這邊目前想要上面的就是把佛陀誕辰移走之後都是有歷史意義的嘛移民日我們要移到節日 |
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所以明明是不要玩對不對這樣應該都是有意思的 記念日照表親親親他已經過三分之二的時間了 也不知道怎麼列最後三分之二 最後成功抄到後面圍條可以啦 你要大改或那個你就麻煩 |
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原住民抵抗制 |
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中戰紀念日 823紀念日可以不用嗎可以喔 好321啊對 民主平等紀念日就是政見財委員會他不堅持嗎好 |
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臺灣國 |
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我跟你講 我還是再次強調這個法案重點是方向好不好 我要強調一下這件事不要影響對 不要吵架了 我們希望今天吵架好不好今天可以好好討論 |
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其實我比較希望他就是呈現多元性大家意願不一樣 大家都要呈現多元的心態可以表達 可以表述一下啦好 可以表述好 那我們希望大家的對 對 對 我們不要吵架好不好 |
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好好好 我們沒有要吵架可以不堅持嗎 OK好 好 那我們回座吧 準備開會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4625.949 |
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好 各位委員會 我們繼續開會我們現在在今天日期節日時事條例的第三條今天日之名稱及日期那剛剛用上一次討論的框架 |
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然後剛剛我們休息時間有做一些協商我跟大家報告一下第一個這個3月21號有關民主評審紀念日因為它跟很多相關的部分價值上是有重疊的所以我們提案委員就沒有堅持那這個國際移民日的部分經我們跟民眾黨黨團的溝通他們希望會放在節日的部分來做處理那因為其實要區分節日跟紀念日比較好的分界線其實是有沒有背後的歷史事件 足之紀念嘛 |
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那這個國際移民日的部分是因為是全國國際上對焦的它不是基於歷史事件所以放在節日可能是比較適合的所以到目前為止所以國際移民日的部分我們會把它移到節日民族平等今天是我們不一定堅持看看大家的意見那其他的部分現在各位委員有意見嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
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那個部長你們有沒有要說明一下 |
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我們剛整理了一部分現在整理出來了是不是可以讓我們印一下給各位委員參考是這樣子就是在牛委員的版本裡面那我們累算出來的紀念日是24天但是我們在 |
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原先第一版提供給各位委員參考的部分是27天那我們現在等一下會提供給各位打勾的部分會就是女委員的版本但是漏掉的部分會請委員再參考一下譬如說漏掉的部分有這個世界母語日佛誕紀念日已經移到節日去了還有就是台灣紀念日是9月8號 |
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那還有全國客家日要不要放在紀念日裡面因為這個是全國客家日的部分是客委會提供希望用這樣的名詞跟原來有委員提到說還我母語運動紀念日不太一樣那這個我們也是尊重各位的參考那以上這三個比較特殊的部分大概提供給各位參考一下不曉得印下去沒有 |
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還沒印上 那我們趕快不是 剛剛那個牛昭偉有交代就是說昭偉在上一次會議結束之後的紀念日名稱那還有再加上我們所提供出來的紀念日名稱有沒有不足的地方所以我們剛剛趕快勾選一下那等一下會印出來給各位參考 |
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對啊已經休息過了我們這樣子好了啦就是說表格上出的我們剛剛宣告完有一些已經經過討論要換的有沒有要刪的先這樣先討論要不要刪再討論要不要增然後就把它定案這樣應該比較那個嘛 |
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對 我的表格 用我的表格因為這個不是也不只是我的版本啦是整個委員會討論到目前為止的結果嘛所以它等於是最接近大家都有意見都有在裡面的一個版本嘛好 有哪些要移除的或者是要刪除的好 民主平等紀念日鄭天才我沒上回的時候已經跟我說他們不會堅持OK謝謝那我們就暫不列入好嗎 |
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我們現在目前的紀念日我們就把刪掉的三個就不要再討論了啦佛誕已經處理完了嘛對不對已經移到節日了嘛國際移民日就移到節日了嘛好不好這樣這三個就不要再就如果大家都這樣還有哪些要移除的 |
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沒有好那我們就不要再討論移除了好哪些要新增的好在印了 |
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我這樣一個一個跑下去啦 大家再思考一下1月1號 我們反正要等那個嘛1月1號元旦嘛 開國紀念日2月28號 我們2月28 和平紀念日3月12號 國父逝世紀念日3月14號 反侵略日3月29 革命牽連紀念日4月7號 言論自由日5月19 白色恐怖紀念日6月26 原住民族抵抗日7月15 解嚴紀念日8月1號 原住民族日 |
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8月15 中戰紀念日8月23 八二三紀念日8月27 鄭仁公誕辰紀念日9月21 國家防災日9月28 孔子誕辰紀念日10月10號 國慶日10月24 台灣聯合國日10月25 台灣光復暨金門古寧頭大捷紀念日10月31 元族民族轉型紀念日11月12 國父誕辰紀念日12月25 行縣紀念日以及12月28 全國客家日這些應該都沒問題啦 |
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剛剛沒有唸到我就已經先調整了嘛好 黃婕宇5月24號婚姻品權紀念日要不要放我用開放的心態 大家討論一下 |
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然後如果要放的話其實我們還有很多值得紀念的自由的日子像是1979年1月20號1月22號是高雄的橋頭事件可以作為集會的自由日然後剛剛其實原本有一個是聯合國定的這個世界母語日我覺得對台灣來說也蠻重要的因為我們很多母語都需要保存所以2月21號的世界母語日也可以考慮一下 |
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然後3月23也可以考慮放國家主權日因為那天是1996年3月23台灣完成首次的總統直選確定台灣的國家意識跟民主價值所以國家主權日也可以考慮放一下那再來1960年9月4號是結社的自由日因為當天自由中國的發行人雷震被捕 |
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因為涉嫌叛亂那這個在對於台灣來說都是一步一步爭取自由很重要的日子所以集會的自由日結社的自由日國家的主權日婚姻平權的紀念日大家也都可以考慮一下 |
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謝謝主席我想上次既然討論已經收斂到這些節日是不是就不要再講一些上次已經討論過了又要再放什麼放什麼是不是就上一次你們大家討論過後的節日來討論好嗎好沒關係我們先廣泛收集一下意見來蘇喬會委員 |
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不是喔 上一次的狀況是說如果我們還有什麼意見的話我們也可以提出來所以我們確實是斟酌討論再三以後我們認為台灣確實就是一個多族群多文化我們呈現豐富不同的樣貌現在齊聚在這塊土地上就是台灣現在的樣貌 |
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所以如果紀念日表彰的是台灣的歷史那麼要把各族群不同年代大家的價值大家的記憶都多元的呈現在節日紀念表再呈現在紀念日的表單上的話那麼我們和黃捷委員我們支持他提出這樣的一份彰顯台灣民主自由轉型的歷程這樣子的表單那 |
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所以我們確實是想要呈現這樣的狀況這個要請主席也能夠理解然後並且遵照上次的議程是有這樣子的討論空間的剛剛黃婕委員講的我們米蘭委員都集體都同意嘛對不對要放入嘛對不對可以提供資料給我們看嗎好OK沒關係就請做一下整理好不好 |
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好 做一下整理因為我覺得這個東西沒有關係只要講得清楚然後不要弄到到最後是每天都有就好嘛好 大家每個不同的政黨不同的族群心中的價值都不太一樣那我們用寬容的心態處理因為我也要再次提醒大家這部法案修正其實大部分的焦點應該是放在第四條跟第六條啦那紀念日的部分大家只是懷抱著尊敬的心態對歷史持以敬重的心態來處理我個人是覺得我們用開放的態度來處理好 那請民進黨趕快把相關的意見彙整完好不好 |
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那我們就加,我們就這條,我們就要排版囉來,正好陸昭偉請對啦,剛剛劉昭偉說的是沒有錯啦其實紀念日只要有,我覺得多也無所謂啦反正又沒有放假所以剛剛這個內政部他現在他第三條他跟我們現在討論的他有多了三個一個是世界母語日 |
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一個是台灣紀念日 一個是國家棒球日是不是多這三個啊 部長對 因為那個國際移民日跟全國客家日各位委員的高見是要把它移到第五條那我們都尊重 那所以剛剛在沒有沒有 全國客家日沒有要移喔要留在紀念日沒有要移 |
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那國際移民日呢?移民日要移到節日一個12月18一個12月28 |
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我們台灣那個宗教信仰那個最虔誠人口數最多的就是馬祖啦我希望三位、二三位我做生意也順便拿下去 |
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農曆三月二十三媽祖生是不是放在節日一邊比較好來 |
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吳清明委員 然後徐議政委員啊 召委 針對他這紀念日齁 紀念日齁 現在是我們內政齁 所提出齁 都可以納入 啊 但是我分析 我在這裡 我是覺得說休假的部分齁 我想 要堅持說齁 我上面所說的 |
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我們會加是不是在他們的補價因為外面的勞工他們都希望說連價不要再補價就用我們多餘的價是不是這樣對這個部分來討論這比較好有意義你今天日只要是我們內政提出大家都可以把它放進去這也無傷大雅謝謝 |
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補教的條文已經有列進去 這是第八條但是丁警告已經修正通過了所以應該都沒有問題待會放假的部分我們可以再補充做一下說明這個我們現在請議事人員有沒有現在用我的表格把它改成條文的樣子我還是把它秀出來然後我們請區域政委員謝謝主席本期建議要把7月7號的抗戰紀念日加入紀念日 謝謝 |
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我建議要把7月7號的抗戰紀念日加入好 可以好 我們現在一方面我們請這個我們現在請議事人員先把它改成條文的形式因為我們最後要用條文修正通過的方式處理然後二方面我們各個黨還有一些想要新增的部分我們就休息五分鐘 大家會診一下然後我們把它寫上去好 休息 |
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你要先講我覺得讓他們先寫但我們應該要先處理內政部剛剛提出來那三個到底要不要處理這個已經可以先處理了還是你要等他們一起還是你要等黃捷的一起我希望執政黨這邊做一下整合看內政部這邊的想法 |
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不是啦內政部是內政部對啦 因爲協商的時候在休息的時候一起協調啦然後我們到時候希望說開始開會的時候已經有一個完整版本然後大家要通過嘛 好不好目標是這樣那你這樣五分鐘怎麼夠好啦 十分鐘啦時間十分繼續開會 休息 |
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不是啦今天日不是把農民曆拿出來抄一抄 |
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稍微先講後面的節日還沒還沒還沒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5437.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
兄弟 稍微跟你報告一下 |
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我有一個請教一點 現在很多的是主管機關沒有合訂的沒有寫在法條裡面的東西合訂的不是法條 是公佈的對 我們現在是要把它寫在法條裡面如果這裡有寫 這裡以後要不要寫 |
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因為不能把農民運拿出來抄啦不然我看很多人對不對剛剛還有人說玄天上帝也要對啊 不能這樣子啦 |
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你這個要放以後這個合併日是不是都要放 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
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現在就是比較細的要把這些夾子都放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5533.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
現在在討論的是紀念日好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
好,好,好 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
加 加 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5597.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
謝謝觀看,下次見! |
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對 所以這個等一下會討論這是等一下有一個衝突的點有兩個點 兩個節有衝突啦一個就是孔子 一個是十月二十五十月二十五 |
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可是現在只有25的時候在節日的時候已經有刪掉了所以是不是看你已經刪掉就算了所以這兩個考量這樣可以談得到沒有 現在只有兩個節日有問題沒有 假日是假日放假是等一下下一條考 下一條放假對 不一樣 你有節日有假日你節日也不一定會放假 今天日也不一定會放假就是 |
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可以,你有今天日子可以放,你可以放球都可以放不過以前都不能認真認真看這些東西謝謝節日 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
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把他定為立法是也沒差啊對不對本來就行政就是有就全部把他定在今年入院也是可以可以可以對啊不一定限於這樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
因為這些都是本來在你們的日曆裡面就有顯示出來對,有些沒有,像這個新的6月26日的新聞26日,這個原著名的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
結束的部分大家有什麼想法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5745.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
沒有啦 我建議還是用這個一樣就是說 拿下拿掉 |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
沒有 哪些要增加 大家加兩三個他就砍就了 好不好這個 對不起問一下等一下是先第四條還是直接跳第五條我應該會先跳第五條啦好 難得要處理好 那我等一下再回來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
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823沒有放在紀念日嗎823沒有放在紀念日嗎這怎麼以前沒有放 |
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對啊,你就不管他嘛我等一下還是要跟他講一下,823怎麼沒有法不是,這件事本來就存在的紀錄,他只是沒有寫在法條裡他只是沒有寫在法條裡,沒差,其實沒差所以我反而覺得法條要精簡一點對,他還是可以寫緊張 |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
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今天是早午放假還是節日放假都無可能放假我們決定我們決定哪一天放就哪一天放大家決定 |
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字幕志愿者 杨栋梁 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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823紀念日有沒有列為國定的紀念日 |
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有些人今天也有節日會會會會會會會會會會會會會 |
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加弄濃力的就 |
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8月15東戰紀念日是誰要放的8月15的東戰紀念日 |
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我們現在修完這個假設第三條確定完了以後會有三個新的日子 |
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就是原住民抵抗日 東站紀念日跟823紀念日還有嗎我說以還沒有加之前 是只能加這三個所以大家可以跟大家講 |
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沒有啦,要有全國共同的...不是...不是...不是...不是...我的想法是我們一定要讓人家知道我們是家族,他們是家族,還是都不要... |
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解嚴紀念日原本就是在法庭我們講的是新的日本清台出生朝聖日 |
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這個簡介日沒有什麼好討論 簡介日以前就有放進來啦對 美國搶走 |
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而且他們是要加幾點是綠色他們加的對不對 |
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維英平 綠色是他們家 對啦 綠色是他們家的那是上一次討論綠色是他們家的啦 五月二十四黃鐵架都是新的啦他剛剛才加的可是 我請教一下沒有黃鐵可以自己一起加的嗎對啊 因為現在是委員會討論啦現在這個出去就是大家一起的修正中心的概念 |
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沒有我一直不希望第三排都沒有公司其實很久 表現很久如果他的修正公寓我們要簽名我們要支持他的版本如果我今天可以達成公司這條就不用協賬了那這不是誰的版本這就是大家的版本我剛講修正通過就是大家共同的版本那這全部人都要一起簽 |
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沒有 綠色的是他家的綠色是他家的對啊 綠色是黃偉的什麼叫結社旗什麼是結社旗五月二十四五月二十四五月二十四以前沒有這個物理 |
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就是說可以請主辦官表示意見啦 如果他同意我們就沒意見啦那就來一下啊 反正到時候就趕快過讓他看這套放假而已他們要回來啊 問他們是不是有意見 |
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現在同居到一千五百多人 |
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全部都是那種意識形態的那種圍繞家全部都是那種意識形態的今天是要有歷史 今天是要有歷史 |
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時間到就再開會啦,他們不在就過啦 |
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謝謝大家 |
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這裏有個大廈 |
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日本沙賽德克帕萊 |
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不然我們第一個立法院修紀念日 紀念日公佈日就是紀念日公佈日就是我們的紀念日 |
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給主管機關表示意見就好了啦給主管機關表示意見沒問題就過啦 |
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好 報告委員會我們繼續開會喔來 這個剛剛齁 |
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在休息時間大家會整想要新增的紀念日現在放在螢幕上好我們就一條一條來說明跟討論 |
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第一個是那個事件模糊的部分本期是有一點意見啦因為剛剛我們有講嘛就是說跟國際名是一樣嘛它是一個對齊對齊國際的日子嘛那它對齊國際而且沒有四射背後的歷史事件的時候我是覺得它比較適合放在節日啦我覺得這個部分是不是大家委員看看委員大家有沒有什麼意見我覺得是放在節日比較比較恰當啦 |
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好 那我們就放在結日的時候把它加進去好不好好 放在結日 但價值上大家同意啦大家不會有問題對不對 好 謝謝再來是第八條 現在第七條的欸等一下 我進去一下阿那個黃婕委員的有啊 都在上面還沒啦 還沒拉 還沒拉上去啦那請議事人員現在上去我們再來討論啦 不然會 |
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蒙 日 佛 家佛 日 佛 家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好 答好了齁好 針對1月22的所謂的職業制度我們是不是請提案委員說明一下理由是什麼方教委員 麻煩你好不好 謝謝 |
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喂 好 就是1979年1月22號高雄發生的橋頭事件就是在台灣實施戒嚴30年之後第一次的政治示威活動那我認為也非常有紀念意義各位有意見嗎聽不懂 什麼意思 |
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他在講的意思是說是當初紀念橋頭事件然後為什麼橋頭事件要作為集會自由日因為他是台灣實施戒嚴三十年以來第一次的政治示威活動不只是高雄非常重要的民主歷史上的大事件也是對於台灣在反抗威權非常重要具有紀念意義的一個集會自由的日子 |
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好我們一次把它說明出來那個母語熱播我們已經確定把它移到節日嘛對不對323是不是再來這個也請我們請提案委員一次說明再說明清楚一點好不好323的部分 |
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1996年3月23號台灣完成了首次的總統直接民選那對於深化台灣的國家意識還有主權以及民主的價值是非常有意義的所以3月23可以作為國家主權日的一個紀念日我覺得這件事情我比較有意見啦因為 |
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總統辭不辭選當然是民主制度的重要進步這個本席完全不反對啦但是不管總統有沒有辭選國家有主權就是有主權啦所以我覺得這件事情會不會造成大家的混淆大家是不是要再思考一下這件事情對不對 因為 |
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不管這個全世界現實上來講不管你是民主也好或是獨裁也好有主權他就是有主權嘛被承認他就是被承認嘛對不對所以我們這個國家主權的跟動跟這一天好像沒有直接的關聯啦對沒有直接的關聯我覺得我不希望有太多的這個這個我希望他比較直觀一點好不好來李博弈很好我覺得可以討論啦但是把它彰顯出來1996年3月23號是台灣總統直接直選而且是由中國國民黨 |
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呃的李登輝總統來當選齁把1996年3月23把它凸顯出來那你要前面要叫做國家主權日或台灣總統直選日等等的我覺得你可以拿出來討論我建議這樣子好不好改成總統直選紀念日啦我覺得總統直選確實是我們歷史發展重要的里程碑啦齁但我覺得你如果要硬是要掛鉤跟主權有關我覺得反而會模糊焦點大家有沒有意見 |
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來 小二圓我覺得這個名稱的討論確實是很值得這個大家一起來慎重思考的狀況因為同樣的狀況其實也發生在我們其他的紀念日有相當多就是如果我們要讓這個紀念日的紀念彰顯的價值是可以比較直觀一點大家了解那到底是要寫價值呢還是是要寫這個事件呢還是是要寫這個形容詞 |
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這個我覺得大家都可以討論一下因為我覺得最後整套紀念日下來大家最好是同一個邏輯我覺得會是更好的狀況比如說228當時大家經過集思廣益千絲萬縷最後說是一個和平紀念日但誰都知道228就是台灣的一個歷史的傷痛日這樣的狀況但他最後定在這裡的時候我們和平算是一個期許或者是一個及其公約的狀況那過去是這樣那現在323如果是要從 |
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這個國家主權日這是提案的人的這個我們的寫的文字要改成民選總統日這不是不行喔這當然可以討論但我的意思是說那所有的紀念日是不是同一個脈絡大家也可以深深思考好 針對名稱現在大家有沒有什麼好的建議嘛我剛剛有丟出來嘛對不對我們先從這一條開始啦 |
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因為他講是第一次總統直選好 要先講完再討論也可以啦但我是覺得可以達成共識的我們就先達成共識嘛比如說剛剛母語日的部分大家很快達成共識就OK嘛好不好我們先聽一下大家的意見好不好那這一條我們要直接把它改成總統直選今天是還是說大家還要再討論 |
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我覺得啦總統直選怪怪的民選民選民選可以啊對不對民選比較符合總統民選一般來講因為以前你也不能講他不是民選當然他是透過他是透過間接選舉嘛就選出國大代表國大代表再選總統嘛所以他好像他差異應該是在於直不直接啦 |
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好大家再想一下5224這個是4748嘛上路我有沒有認知錯誤沒有這當然沒問題我覺得多元文化大家開放一點心態好不好好這條我覺得這條應該比較OK啦我們就用包容的心態開放的心態來看待這件事好不好那924號勒 |
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9月4号是1960年9月4号这个自由中国的发行人雷震被以涉及叛乱为由来逮捕那当时蒋介石甚至说他的刑期不得少于10年那这个其实也是代表说这个结社是被当时是被严格控制的那这个也是对于一个 |
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言論自由以及結社的自由的一個很重要的很令人震驚的一個事件所以也希望說在這邊可以作為一個結社的自由日的紀念這一條大家有沒有什麼想法沒關係都可以講沒有關係我們現在還只是討論的階段而已 |
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我覺得紀念日還是應該要有就是大家共同的一個共識啦否則的話隨便一個都可以當紀念日那365天都有可以紀念的地方沒有啦我覺得節奢自由日的這個剛剛聽完我覺得應該這個針對節奢我現在講針對節奢自由日啦大家應該不懂這在紀念什麼 |
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人民有言論集會結社的自由這是一個多麼珍貴的權利也是台灣的祖祖輩輩走到現在我們才有這樣的自由啊 |
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這個何其不意當然應該值得紀念啊所以我們在這裡每一次的事件才開啟了這個民主的大門的一小個縫隙今天大家可以大開大合甚至坐在這裡就這麼多不同的史觀不同的價值不同的事件做討論這是很難得的事情所以我們當然覺得言論集會結社都應該放在這裡都應該值得被紀念這就是台灣跟其他地方最不一樣的地方啊 |
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預備委員我覺得我們現在很好現在開放式的來討論那當然剛剛國民黨的委員他著重史觀從這個7月7號說什麼7月7號對不起提出來是什麼 |
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抗戰紀念日齁那這個是比較史觀齁這是大概二戰時代但是民進黨委員這邊比較多提出來就是我們現在看到的我們現在看到整個台灣民主化的過程包含剛剛我講的1996年呃李登輝總統就是台灣總統直選那接下來黃捷委員提出婚姻平權然後包含民主紀念日等等的那我覺得我們可以在台灣的民主化的過程因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
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這一些都不是天上掉下來的集會 結社 遊行 言論都不是天上掉下來的所以我會主張把這一些民主化的過程也都放進去謝謝好 還有沒有委員的意見那最後美麗島事件黃國健委員補充說明一下好不好 |
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7162.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
對美麗島事件又稱為高雄事件在1979年的12月10號當天也是國際人權日那在高雄發生了一個非常重大的衝突事件甚至當時的蔣經國政府稱為這個是高雄的暴力叛亂案但是呢當時有非常多的黨外人士在集結了這個美麗島雜誌社為核心的黨外運動人士他們集結然後組織群眾到 |
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街上進行遊行演講希望可以訴諸台灣的民主跟自由來終結當時的黨禁以及戒嚴這個對台灣來說也是非常重大的一個事件所以12月10號的時候其實台灣不只是紀念這個國際人權日尤其是高雄人對於美麗島事件 |
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都非常的有感那甚至直到現在大家也都認為說想到戒嚴要從戒嚴到解嚴從威權到民主美麗島事件都對於台灣的歷史上這個民主運動的過程是不可或缺也一定要紀念的一個日子所以我也希望大家可以藉由這一天來回顧美麗島事件以及對於台灣民主的重要性好 謝謝大家有意見嗎 |
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那個我說明一下因為我剛剛稍微算了一下各個天數啦我們先不談剛剛我們黃絕委員增加的這幾天其實過去在本來的表格裡面跟這個過去紀念威權統治跟相關的重大歷史事件分別有2228號的和平紀念日有4月7號的遊歷自由日我把它用比較寬的心態來解釋有5月19的白色恐怖記憶日7月15的 |
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解嚴紀念日基本上已經有四天那剛剛當然你要用當時的一些抗議的事件來作為紀念的標的當然不是不行啦但是因為當初的抗議聲其實非常多嘛那農民運動要不要也放一下對不對中立事件也有但我的意思是說如果都這樣的話那會沒完沒了我們是不是請民進黨這邊做一下整合我們挑最有代表性的幾天稍微濃縮一點好不好我用開放的心態討論好不好 |
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主席 現在是主席說的要開放大家的探討啦因為我認為大家互相包容 相關住民的抵抗日我們就有協助了我認為未來的事件是對整個台灣是一種你不要說我們多少也沒有嘛讓我們記憶我們以前的時代發生什麼事情 |
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未來不要再來發生這些這我覺得這幾年來應該是沒什麼衝突跟什麼吧我們舉手順序先請續政委然後副小慧主席主席那我建議要再增加幾天現在可以說嗎可以啊好那我建議增加11月11號是反貪腐紀念日因為那是台灣民選總統被判刑確定陳水扁總統被判刑11年所以我建議要把那一天就是 |
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反貪腐紀念日那另外呢還有2006年的12月10號紅三軍的這個運動喔那我也建議12月10號會把它定為紅三軍紀念日謝謝 |
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蔣委員我尊重徐委員的發言不過我覺得是這樣子我覺得如果要講到反貪腐和紅三軍大家都開始知道這樣的討論氣氛就有點轉換了因為我本來要接著黃捷甚至是接著主席的發言我是要說的是說我們撇開鄭成功誕辰紀念日和孔子誕辰紀念日來看的話那我們其實可以看到目前的紀念日我們是從 |
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黃花崗72烈士329然後開始推翻帝制創建民國所以我們黃花崗完了之後我們開國開國以後有國父所以我們國父誕辰紀念日接下來我們抗日接下來我們反共 |
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然後再來我們是解嚴解嚴這個解嚴然後開始有這種民主的狀態進來那中間還有過去的原住民族鋪陳在裡面當然對於原住民族我非常的尊重嘛我也是成人之一嘛那我們確實是應該要列入原住民族的史觀不過我也被 |
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這個上一次討論完成之後也有一些原住民的族人朋友問我為什麼原住民的史觀是從抗日開始為什麼不是從抗漢開始這個倒是另外一個議題不過我覺得剛剛這樣一系列討論下來我再重述一次我們從推翻帝制一直一路 |
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抗日反共到民主時代我覺得這其實是一個還蠻合理在陳述台灣史觀的狀態如果現在要再加上其他的話我是覺得氣氛會跑掉啦這樣 |
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這是我剛剛丟這個意見雖然有一點每一個節日它都對一群人來講它都有它重要的意義嘛所以我剛才講是不是在這幾天裡面我覺得剛剛有講節日自由日節日自由日分別是橋頭事件跟雷震案嘛但我覺得比較為所有人所知道的其實應該是美麗島事件加上12月10號本來就是國際人權日嘛本來就有人權日的設計所以我們是不是把這件事我們集中在美麗島事件當天來做紀念我們就把它放進去這樣是不是比較平衡啦 |
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好 可以算一下天數嘛對啊 因為這樣子跟整個比如說 包含我們在針對這個戒嚴時代威權統治的戒慎恐懼跟反省裡面就有和平紀念日 有言論自由日白色恐怖紀念日 戒嚴紀念日還有美麗島事件紀念日嘛 |
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就五天嘛其實一年裡面五天其實我覺得已經算是蠻蠻有一定的代表性我講說針對針對這一段時間啦近代這一段時間的歷史記憶這樣好不好我們想我們還盡量用用平和協商的方式處理好不好對啊你當然一段一段的一段一段的一段一段的歷史嘛來 政天才委員 |
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有關這個早上高津素美委員有說明就是說針對我本來一提的民族平等紀念日我原來的針對這個原住民族從這個大港口事件清朝的時候大港口事件接著後來的牡丹社事件一直到 |
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從清朝的大港口事件到後來的牡丹社事件接下來總共有13個重大的歷史事件在對原住民族的一個侵害所以我提的是民族平等紀念日那因為高金素美委員也有提一個原住民族抵抗日當他是針對一開始他的這個利益是針對一個單一的事件 |
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那後來我跟他溝通之後我們在所以在整個係數上係數上就是把我剛講的13個重大歷史事件把它併到這個原住民族抵抗日原住民族抵抗日這樣不是我說民族平等紀念日我本來沒有訂 |
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我本來沒有定這個時間我那時候是我的條文啊我提的條文是由原住民組來來結來來會商決定了我原來條文是這樣 |
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所以這個部分是因為我本來想說這個因為跟跟民族跟原住民族抵抗日其實是可以可以併在一起所以我就我就把它併在一起不是這個不是針對日本喔原住民族抵抗日不是針對不 |
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所以我現在是補充理由嘛我補充理由是要把那個天才 您的部份喔您的部份來來來補充這個理由那個補充理由啦因為您的部份剛剛民主評審其實高經緯也有幫你做補充跟說明啦已經解釋得很清楚那剛剛我大概算了一下啦我們跟跟這個 |
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目前為止跟反共有關的有3月14的反侵略日823的823紀念日還有10月24號的台灣聯合國日10月25號的台灣光復節即古寧頭大節紀念日這幾天是跟抵抗中共比較有關係的那抵抗日本的 |
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8月15的中戰紀念日還有剛剛徐宇貞委員增加7月7號的抗戰紀念日跟這個關父節嘛台灣關父節三天跟族群有關的有原住民族抵抗日原住民族日還有原住民族轉型紀念日三天那跟憲法什麼直接有關的當然就是我們的開國紀念日我們的國慶日我們的行憲紀念日 |
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大概也是三到四天那你如果講說過去紀念革命的有國父四世紀念日跟革命先烈紀念日兩天報告 |
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各位委員會其實大概啦大概紀念一段時間的史觀的天數大概就是至多不超過五天啦那目前為止當然我們講現在我們當然越近的事情我們用越慎重的心態來紀念我再講一次跟威權時代有關的和平紀念日言論自由日白色恐怖紀念日解嚴紀念日 |
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這幾天那如果加上剛剛如果我們全部都列入的話會變十幾人我覺得多少會有一點失衡的狀態所以是不是再多再請委員會我們如果要再增加一天跟這個相關的我們是不是就以美麗島事件為代表我們就放在12月10號來做處理好不好我們用這樣的方式來處理這樣其實就蠻平衡的啦剛剛小霍委員很在乎平衡的問題好不好 |
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不是啦 就是加一個美麗島事件紀念日嘛那剛剛黃協委員提案母語日我們放在節日嘛婚姻平衡紀念日我們納入嘛 好不好然後我們就加一個美麗島事件紀念日這樣子這樣會不會比較平衡一點然後大家有機會達成共識嘛我們希望大家好好討論好不好我們直接修在上面啦對 這個就先拿掉嘛 |
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我剛剛都已經唸給大家了嘛大概就是三到四天啦不會超過五天啦其實真正今天是比例最高的還是都是靜待這一段時間的事情嘛這是客觀的事實嘛 對不對好吧 我們就用這樣子我們再來從頭跑一次用這張表我們用這張表要稍微保留一下大家想一下每個到時候不能改對 我也跟各位 |
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我會報告因為這個事情的修訂馬上討論完節日就要紀念日跟節日討論完要放假其實大家最在乎的是這個事所以我們不能在這個事情上耽誤太久那當然我希望求圓滿嘛 |
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好 我們再view一次喔開國紀念日 和平紀念日 國父四世紀念日 反侵略日 革命先烈紀念日言論自由日 白色恐怖記憶日 婚姻平權紀念日 抗戰紀念日往下拉 原住民族抵抗日 解嚴原住民族日 中戰紀念日 八二三紀念日 政人公誕辰紀念日台灣紀念日 這個是講這個是講舊金山合約啦 這跟國家主權有關 好來往下 再往下 |
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對 總統直選 這我覺得OK啦有一個共同記憶啦那個9月8號是舊金山合約簽訂的日子啦這不是台灣光復不是同樣一件事情嗎這個就是史觀嘛 要呈現多元性不是這樣嗎剛剛是內政部長希望的 |
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我是覺得其實這樣子已經很平衡了,大家就趕快確定,我們就往下一條走啦沒有沒有沒有,我覺得差一個差很多,剛剛那個台灣經驗室我覺得很有意見台灣經驗室很有意見,來,喬惠委員表達一下 |
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9月8號而且名稱又是一個叫做台灣紀念日這個如果是離開我們委員會小朋友啊一般人在翻的時候就完全不知道台灣紀念日在做什麼東西那到底在紀念台灣的什麼好你現在說它是舊金山合約舊金山合約對不對那我們現在再解釋一下好不好 |
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說明一下 9月8號主要是究竟在何為日本放棄台灣的那個主權的這一塊那這個看大家委員的一個意見要不要納入 |
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其實我是覺得難免放棄台灣的主權以致於台灣可以有機會走自己的路的話如果是這樣詮釋我是很贊成啊對啊我覺得難免複雜啦我是很贊成啊對啊如果你要這樣詮釋的話那你不如把這個名稱名稱寫得更清楚一點對啊我覺得名稱想一下啦台灣紀念日可能大家不覺得但那個大家都會接受啦對啊名稱我們大家想一下要怎麼改啊要怎麼想 |
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不好意思我幫大家補充一下好不好因為其實舊金山合約裡面第二條規定的是日本放棄對台澎的所有權跟權限跟請求權但是留下一個未決的一個伏筆也就是說當時這樣舊金山合約只是台灣的地位未定論 |
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對 那名稱上你要有說法嘛因為剛剛名稱上他沒有是小會委員的意見就沒有那麼直覺啦就沒有那麼直覺嘛對啊 他並不就是舊金山會議並不等同台灣紀念日徐議政委員謝謝主席我想如果要講史觀的話我覺得12月1號的開羅宣言紀念日比舊金山會議還要重要我就是擔心這個事嘛因為開羅宣言是讓台澎等歸還給中華民國啊 |
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對啊 所以我覺得如果要講的話我覺得開國訓練紀念日其實我覺得比舊金山會議還要重要對 我就是擔心這樣的事所以我剛剛特別幫大家算了天數的原因就是這樣就是確保多元意見的呈現但是不要陷入細節然後導致這個法律重點跑掉嘛好不好 |
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所以我覺得我其實覺得按照本來的版本然後多加幾天 加美麗島 加總統直選加牧羽市 其實差不多了啦好吧 如果這個聊主席台灣今天這個是內政部有希望啦但我還是聽一聽大家的意見台灣反殖民日欸 |
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沒有好不好因為我覺得說台灣抵抗日欸主席我覺得這個可能趕快要收斂一下光今天就講這麼久了我覺得那對不起主席沒關係 |
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我覺得剛剛經過鄭天才委員又來這個委員會這邊再陳述了一下以後我覺得其實不管日期定在哪一日啦但是我覺得他的民主平等日其實比這個援助民主抵抗日剛剛的說法其實我們比較能夠接受 |
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名稱我沒有說日期因為現在講到名稱嘛對啊因為剛剛我們就是在說欸其實原住民的史觀到底要從哪裡開始把它放進中華民國現在的紀念日當中如果現在推到最早的是原住民族抗日那抗漢的部分呢對不對啊所以他的名稱剛剛本來是這個民族抵抗民族平等日那我們反而覺得鄭委員的說法其實比較可取啊 |
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我們光是針對哪些東西要紀念 哪些東西不紀念已經搞了一個多小時了已經搞了一個多小時了現在外面人大家會關注這個法案的修正的原因其實是因為它可以有助減少勞工的工時好不好好 如果真的真的大家不願意我們現在暫時在保留一下但我希望大家要各自妥協讓步如果沒有這一條我們就保留協商 |
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如果沒辦法的話我們待會討論完別的我們繞回來如果還沒有辦法達成共識這點我們就跑去解商好不好要不然真的沒完沒了我覺得會議的節奏沒有辦法進行下去也不太好好不好先保留一下啦好那個我請議事人員齁整理一下節日的部分比照剛剛用這張表格比照一下然後我們先我們去除條嘛好不好第四條的部分哪些紀念日要放假之前大家的立場其實在上一次的 |
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我們照調次來 |
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因為節日他光是要key出來他又要五分鐘十分鐘我不要浪費時間了啦好不好就他一邊key我們一邊討論放假的部分我一樣再讓大家再讓大家表達一下放假的意見我重整一下上次討論的結果三日國民黨黨團基本上已經完成黨內整合有關於紀念日放假的部分就是新增九月二十八空子誕辰紀念日十月二十五台灣光復祭古寧頭大節紀念日以及十月二十五的行限紀念日增加在紀念日的部分增加三天國定假日 |
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那我現在再請高進委員跟民眾黨的麥立正委員表達一下你們對於哪些事要放下的一些想法也請民進黨這邊做一下準備法條在這裡在這裡在這裡在這裡也請民進黨做一下準備如果民進黨現在針對因為我們之前有講嘛你如果有想法可以在這一次的討論來提出來如果沒有想法或者是什麼那也可以表達一下立場或者是疑慮都可以好不好那我們先請先請麥立正委員麥立正委員對於這樣放哪幾天放假第四條的部分有沒有想法 |
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這第四條沒有沒有放假的部分我們是沒有沒有想法就是照我們的女委員這邊是說放假的部分就是那個移民日移民日要要放假就是要我這個部分我是堅持增加節日對其他紀念日就對 |
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今天日的部分我沒有意見今天日的部分沒有意見好 但放假的時候民眾黨是希望國際移民可以變成國定假日嘛對OK在天數的部分你們有什麼主張嗎天數沒有沒有 OK對 天數就是我們教師節跟勞動節就是全國放假就要求教師節跟勞動節有當初的承諾嘛所以放假 對對對對好 謝謝就是這三個謝謝麥麗珍委員高清素美委員有想法嗎針對第四條 |
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大家都是非常的互相尊重了那我覺得如果今天大家都對於很幾個條數最重要的條數尤其是剛我們講的那個紀念日大家都沒有一個共識要送朝野協商的話那麼第四條呢我就也送朝野協商好不好高清委員希望用協商的方式來處理來 民進黨針對放假的部分請問黨團的成員我們內政委員 來 李博弈委員謝謝 |
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剛剛民眾黨委員講的那個放假好像不是在第四條裡面對不對他說新住民日好像沒有在裡面對不對確認一下我們現在討論第四條嘛對啦沒有因為他本來那個移民日到底要放紀念日還是節日嘛後來剛剛有定調那如果要的話到時候要整理要換一下修正動議的內容啦因為他可能要在節日的部分主張嘛對不對好 |
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那請問民進黨的委員針對放假的天數跟日期有沒有想法我想請內政部表達一下就是說針對這一個紀念日如果有放假的話那在立法院如果經過二讀三讀之後整個中央政府實施的狀況會是怎麼樣的程序謝謝 |
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好請內政部說明好謝謝張偉謝謝李委員的關心那個我們在歷次的這個討論都有跟大家報告過現行的辦法就是說我們在前一年的這個年中中間的中是由行政院的人事行政總署發布就是說下一年我們全 |
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台灣的公教人員的放假日那個本來就只有規範到軍公教但是因為台灣每個人的活動或是身份職權其實重點很大所以民間單位包括企業也就是以我們的人事行政總署發布的為主 |
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8490.119 |
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那如果說我們現在所說的這個放假日有所改變的話因為今年的放假日呢在去年的時候已經公佈那所以如果有所改變的話呢也只能在下一個年度才能再開始試用 |
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否則的話呢現在突然因為大概不會減少啦會突然增加放假日的話我們這兩天也知道包括財經部門他也提到說如果有增加一天或兩天或是三天那突然再宣布的話呢恐怕對於很多尤其是要二四小時還有包括服務業這些呢他們在排休假啦或者是要增加他的加班天數或者增加他的加薪等等的恐怕會這個有點 |
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8518.283 |
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8536.168 |
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太快那沒有辦法在今年下半年的時候呢就馬上實施這是我們收到的訊息但是相關的部分因為上次朝委好像有希望請財經部門的這個公務系統的人過來表達所以我們就尊重他們的表達的意見好 針對第四條大家還有沒有什麼想法黃建豪委員 |
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好 谢谢赵伟我想这个孔子诞辰纪念日然后跟十月二鼠号跟十月二鼠号这三天了当然是暂时站到现在现在大家我剩下国民党这边这边有共识了那为什么只有三天是因为我想也是为了保留节日跟后续大家要新增的部分但是我想我当然个人立场上我的目标当然希望还是能够放七天 |
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那如果这个三天那待会节日那边没有到四天或者后面的别意见没有到四天没有总共没有到七点的时候我们是不是还会再回来讨论纪念日的部分呢好这第一个啊第二个是说当然我就讲说这些不管是我们现在讲的九月二十八十月二十五跟十二十五这几天 |
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這都是我小時候就有在放假的日子所以我覺得這是大家社會上大家共識比較高的日子所以才挑這幾天出來那我也期待說如果後面討論要哪幾天放假的時候是不是也能夠依照社會上大家覺得比較有共識的日子來放假那我覺得這是比較不會有爭議的部分以上謝謝請 張宏祿教練有麥克風開一下你有開嗎有開勞動部 |
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8616.92 |
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8620.606 |
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來 換邊 換這邊 |
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8623.395 |
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8647.527 |
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勞動部簡單說明一下勞動部對於放假的態度都覺得可以正向討論至於說要放哪幾天放什麼重要的節日怎麼放我們都會尊重大家的意見但是有一些地方要做基本的提醒就是說百工百業的規模還有種類都不太一樣其實一天24小時全年都有很多不同的工作者在工作場域做相應的處理 |
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8670.744 |
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所以有關於放假的部分那第一個部分我們當然希望說可以提早讓我們勞工的朋友有一些相應的安排那包括他跟雇主中間因為如果是放假那他怎麼安排自己的時間或者是說因為企業或事業單位不能停止的狀況像我們服務業或三班輪或很多 |
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8689.463 |
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重要基礎設施他都有24小時執勤的問題所以需要有一點時間讓我們可以勞工跟僱主這一邊在對於整個工作場所做比較好的適度安排所以我大概簡單說明兩點第一點就是說對於應該全國一致性怎麼放放哪些那我們尊重 |
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8705.592 |
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也大願的一個安排那只是說未來在實施之前最好預留一定的時間的彈性給我們的勞工朋友跟企業單位可以去做相應的一個調整這個大概以上報告好謝謝謝謝次長的說明 |
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其實不外乎兩件事嘛我今天之所以再多排一天因為這法案本來就很容易高度分歧嘛之所以再多排一天其實就是希望可以達成共識為什麼希望今天達成共識如果達成共識我們就不用等待所謂的協商冷凍期嘛這法案如果早一點通過早一點上路早一點確定其實大家的因應時間就夠了嘛所以拜託大家啦如果我們盡全力啦希望今天有機會是可以不用協商的方式來處理啦 |
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這個那你說剛剛那個次長有提到就是說這個比如說配套啊或輪班他可能會來不及調那就照常出行兩倍薪嘛因為如果是國定價值出行就是兩倍薪嘛所以他也不是不能處理啦其實可以處理那勞動部剛剛其實也講希望早一點通過啦希望大家可以希望大家可以捐氣成見我們共同為勞工的利益來努力啦好不好好第四條大家有沒有意見紅燈小姐 |
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第四條看起來大家沒有共識啦對啦我現在先問一下各黨因為剛剛民進黨黨團的意見 高進委員的意見蠻清楚那民進黨黨團這邊有沒有意見希望審慎以對 也可以 沒關係現在就是大家都有不同的看法啦好那我們只好繼續往下走嘛 好不好還有人針對第四條嗎 羅廷惠委員 |
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8825.644 |
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好謝謝召委我想在座所有的委員大家都是為勞工來發想那還是再拜託因為冷凍期的部分也是很擔心讓他沒辦法提早上路是不是能夠再討論一下不要急著就馬上要送協商拜託我們在現場其實剛剛勞動部有講需要一點時間到底是這個時間是一年後還是三個月的時間準備期我覺得都還可以討論那勞方跟資方其實當然我們都認同一定要給予一些時間去做因應 |
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但是還是拜託第四條這個就直接送政黨協商不是不好只是說因為就是這個人動棋讓我們很擔憂所以也拜託民進黨是不是休息五分鐘大家來討論有沒有這個機會這個部分也拜託趙偉評估一下謝謝 |
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不好意思我要再次发言了外委会的这个我想要确认一下因为现在在第四条部分既然今天那目前就我们自己所谓国民党这边有所谓三天嘛那这三天大家没有共识的部分是说觉得这三天不应该是不应该放多放三天假这问题还是这三天 |
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哪一天不適合放假我覺得這個要稍微講我們才辦法有共識因為如果是從頭到尾大家有人覺得說這三天就不要多放三天假的話那這個討論就會不太一樣那如果是要挑哪三天來放那狀況也不一樣所以我是希望這個部分有意見的部分是不是明確一點這樣我們才走得下去 |
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來 放假的部分怎麼放 放幾天喔我們 我是希望今天還是尊重大家表達意見的權益所以三四五六我們還是會走一輪然後到時候再一起抓一個時間做協商啦可能十分鐘十五分鐘之類的好 現在第四條意見大家差不多表達完了大家心裡有數 好不好第五條 我剛剛也在我們討論第四條的時間也請議事人員先把第五條節日的部分打上來現在我們請他秀出來我們先進第五條節日的這個陣營應該不會這麼多啦我希望可以順利一點 好不好 |
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對對對對沒關係等一下等一下放進來哈哈哈來節日跟紀念日的差別就是說它比較不是歷史事件嘛它也比較沒有什麼史不史觀的問題其實是大家的一個習慣跟認同啦好不好那先看一下這個我們跑一下 |
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民俗節日的部分春節1月1號農曆1月1號元宵節農曆1月15號清明節在清明日端午節農曆5月5號中元節農曆7月15號中秋節農曆8月15號重陽節農曆9月9號除夕12月最後一天原住民族的歲時祭儀由這個主管機關徵詢各部落意見後公報並刊登政府公報好再來我們一塊一塊來好不好這個民俗節日的部分應該OK吧 |
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現在民俗節日的部分是指到除夕之前嗎還是原住民歲時季之前對 歲時季就那個第一點的123456789啦原住民族啦歲時季之前嘛齁 |
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對剛剛丁薛忠委員有特別提到3月23號的媽祖聖好像還沒加上去那個應該是跟那個的位階應該是跟因為我覺得這個的民俗節日是全部人高度習慣啦高度約定成熟那個別的宗教個別信仰我覺得放在後面因為從第二點開始有沒有就是比較個別的有一定的共識但是它強度沒有那麼高包含道教節包含我們剛剛欸這個有沒有佛陀誕辰紀念日嘛如果有媽祖的那個可以放在這邊好不好 |
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所以剛剛第一點這九項民俗節日就沒問題好不好一到九沒有好OK來再來我繼續往下齁道教節農曆一月一號消防節一月十九農民節定於立春世界母女日剛剛有討論過二月二十一婦女節三月八號植樹節三月十二 |
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大家都自己看好不好佛誕4月8號我講一下有更動的部分啦一個就是世界母女日加進來因為剛剛的討論然後佛德誕辰紀念日在4月8號來再往下其他大部分都是既有的都是既有的還有提案的內容再往下人權日那個移民日我們就叫移民日啦因為如果進到台灣來他應該就就沒有國不國際的問題嘛他應該是要跟是要融入我們的社會嘛所以就叫移民日好這幾天大家有沒有問題主席 |
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檢區政委員主席我建議要增加一天因為2月4號是農民節那7月1號是漁民節是不是能夠而且在內政部的事業主管機關核定之日裡面也有7月1號是漁民節是不是能夠加入好幫我們寫進去好不好先寫進來來大家對於節日有沒有什麼還沒什麼想法 |
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其實我們昨 其實節日比較好討論先討論節日 |
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我們那個佛陀誕辰的部分不要叫佛陀誕辰紀念日好不好因為你放在節日裡面又叫紀念日蠻奇怪的欸那個是不是御佛節我搞不清楚對不起佛陀誕辰日好了好不好佛陀誕辰日就好了就不要用紀念日了 |
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媽祖誕辰日農曆四月出發吧對啊三月啊對不起我看錯我請教過我看笑臉人家拜什麼我就跟著拜主席啊一路媽媽祖這跟一路拖地公伯阿勒跟這個公伯跟這個媽都有人在拜 |
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所以我剛才有講不管是紀念日不管是紀念日或者是節日都是都一定會遇到這個問題嘛就是我放了一個之後其他都全部放進來那我覺得我們還是要有還是審查的時候還是要有一個底線啦也就是說挑比較有集體意識的比較就強度比較高的列進來會比較好啦那大家商量一下嘛好不好大家商量一下 |
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不是啦 因為我是覺得這種 因為什麼什麼神明大家各自都有在拜嘛像今天玄天上帝啊 上禮拜觀世音 上禮拜土地公 這些都有人在拜啊對啊 也有人拜財神 這是互相尊重耶 每個月都有人在拜互相尊重耶你看那個八公 |
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在新娘廟也有很多人在擺是不是那個召委是不是你...沒關係喔 我們現在一樣用開放的心態來討論這件事喔當然哪幾天你總要列出來吧哪幾天要列出來嘛 一樣嘛我們哪幾天先列出來算一算天數我們再討論嘛 只能這樣子啊 |
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對不對好來現在上面的這幾天大家有沒有意見啊主席好李博議員我們現在是在訂這個現在這個是節日嘛齁節日搞得好像我們已經在邊還名利了是啊我就不能變這樣嘛那邊弄名利了部長也在那邊笑那內政部也是主管所有宗教禮俗啊這個也很為難啊 |
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你到底哪一些節日那我當然也尊重丁薛忠委員剛剛講的這個媽祖誕辰日然後剛剛當然還有很多這些其他的節日我們是不是要多放進去這個真的是傷腦筋丁薛忠委員為了促進大家的和諧 |
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沒有 你聽一下對啦 有一個邏輯是個別宗教我們就統統統一不放進去不是說沒有這個節日而是不放在法條裡面這是一個邏輯另外一個我提供一個中間的做法就是說以一個宗教以一天為限啦因為你像媽祖 土地公等等是道教信仰嘛那七七月要是道教節嘛那所有的佛教就放在佛的蛋層啦要一天啦 |
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好不好 我們用這樣的方式來處理好不好有一個道教節就好了啦對啦 有一個道教節嘛 因為道教節有嘛好不好 那學長我們就不要解釋好不好道教 也要有佛教還有天主教對齁 |
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這樣比較空白就聖誕節新鮮紀念日伊斯蘭教這個 趙偉請 羅立浩委員好 我覺得這個大家真的都非常的絞盡腦汁都很努力啦但是剛剛趙偉說的我覺得也不無道理就是如果今天真的沒辦法我們再後續討論比較細項那今天把大象的就放上來就一個宗教一個部分我覺得這個部分是可以的 |
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好如果一個宗教有部分的話好不好但是你要新增你總要有人提嘛因為我們現在被放進來的很多也是從委員提案的版本或者是我們委員會討論的版本嘛如果萬一我們今天比如說各個宗教都要可我們連他放哪一天我們都不曉得的時候那某些什麼有些狀況因為有道教節啊對啊道教節有啊因為1月1號就有啦好謝謝學生委員好那這樣子大家還沒問題我們可以拍板了嗎 |
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不行為什麼不行呢好 再看一下可以再看一下教委我可不可以說明一下好嗎好 請部長那個跟大家報告一下因為我們原來這個假日的實施辦法是一個行政命令那現在你把它提升到法律未接那各個主管機關又授權他們可以自己對外發布 |
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那所以我們的中理師在內政部的這個法律裡面既然提升成法律的位階那內政部所主管的這些節日我們當然就希望放進去所以不管它原來是跟宗教有關的或是跟特殊有關的所以我們爐列出來一共有100個 |
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節日100個那跟原來牛委員整合國民黨黨版的33個是差兩倍這是一個再來就是說如果你要授權給各個目的事業主管機關那就會牽涉到你的保留審查第六條裡面 |
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放假日哪一個節日是放假日也就是說有放到第五條的才有可能是變成放假日沒有放到第五條的恐怕就不可能變成放假日那所以當然每個部會他們譬如說有醫師節或者是什麼這個這個甚至有這個消防節農民節等等這些 |
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甚至是兵役節當然每個人都想辦法能夠擠進來會比較好那這次是我們碰到比較為難的地方也就是說從法律的制定的過程當中你一定會碰到這些節點或是這些爭議點是需要討論的以上幾個要跟大家表達我們的想法 |
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我大概回應一下就是說如果真的修法過後哪一些東西要怎麼放假基本上未來就是透過修法流程來做處理嘛那部長你的意思是說你這一張要全部放在條文裡嗎 |
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我再跟大家報告一下就是剛剛大家的討論過程我們都沒有表達意見就是說依照委員會表達意見但是我舉一個例子譬如說原住民的睡時祭儀那有的人希望提供是一天的放假日有人提供三天的放假日那你要不要寫在第六條所謂的節日放假的規定這是一個那再來就是剛剛 |
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剛剛那個麥玉珍委員提到了他希望這個移民日就是從國際移民日要放假那所以這個移民日這一天要放進去以外你可能要在第六條也要放進去裡面我是說舉兩個實際上已經放在這邊那如果用這樣的方式來看的話國際移民日是全部的人放假那就跟原來那個牛委員所提到在第 |
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剛剛說放假日的節日是三天增加三天放假日那移民日又增加一天就變成四天所以在審查的過程當中一定會出現這樣的比較矛盾或是說有這個爭議的部分要提供給大家來做審查法案的通知 |
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這個本來就是要透過討論的東西慢慢去化解旗艦這沒有什麼問題但我們現在還是先把很麻煩的事情先處理完嘛就是到底哪幾天是節日哪幾天是紀念日嘛這個總要先有嘛你才能夠睡著往下去談這個東西嘛好 張宏睿委員 |
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其實在討論節日的部分其實我們應該要考慮就是說這個節日對台灣現在所有的人民對啦有沒有重要的值得那個是不管是信仰也好或他職業或他什麼的對他有沒有重要的影響我覺得我們是應該從這個方面去思考啦因為台灣是一個多元的那也 |
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不應該就是說什麼比如說每個宗教用一個我覺得我剛一直在想也覺得怪怪的那還有剛剛部長講的那個我們真的要思考一下你訂了這個節日之後你的放假什麼其實這個是連動的但我們還有一個就是我們上次討論的就是說有一些授權他們去處理或什麼的你有節日 |
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他就會去授權去處理因為有一些很多的比如說節日其實他們主管機關可能也要是會辦一些活動或是什麼的這點我們在立法的時候我們必須要考量一下這個請大家想一下 |
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主席,在這裡我要問保庭姐,這是互相探討,和大家互相尊重剛才我們有聽到說移民,移民者要放假 |
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9747.966 |
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我覺得移民節來的時候,當然是辛苦,不然不是,如果有我們台灣中華民國的生活,我要請教移民節的效果,有什麼你有辦法?因為雖然你拿這樣嘛,他說要效果嘛,以我們的中央政府,你有什麼看法嗎? |
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移民節我幹嘛因為現在還沒有討論到哪一天要放假好不好我們要先把哪幾天放在節日先處理完然後我們再來討論不是啦剛才他說移民節要休息對 因為剛剛寫在第六條裡面啦要不然到第六條啦要不然到第六條啦我的意思是這樣啦我們先回到第五條因為我覺得第五條是有機會大家這樣子OK的好不好再回到第五條這樣會不會OK |
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| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
請換救援 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
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不好意思请问刚刚内政部发给我们的这个纪念日节日跟中央目的事业主管机关合订之日是你们目前已经有的吗对这是我目前有然后那个有打一个信号的就下面有附注的地方就是现行纪念日跟实施办法所定的就实际有做字比较小请大家看一下好可是因为就是内政部发的这一张等于是目前有的比我们新要修进法律的还多耶 |
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是 都很多耶我剛說的這兩倍就是留學員的部分是33個那我們是100個上升到法律位階之後反而變少了那這樣對目前已經核定的這些百公百業跟所有的宗教也不太尊重耶 |
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我覺得這是現在要討論的點就是所有的職業別有這麼多百公百業然後所有的宗教別也有這麼多各式各樣多元的宗教那我們也都非常尊重那甚至是目前內政部已經合併下來的職業別就已經這麼多了然後結果我們變成法律反而變少怎麼辦我先請大家回想一下上個禮拜我們在討論第11條的時候 |
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好 第十一條我們在討論第十一條 第十一條我們本來說第三條跟第五條規定以外有特殊意義值得慶祝的相關等等節日與紀念日得由目的事業主管機關會商有關機關以辦法定之那個時候大家的結論是什麼大家還記得嗎是沒有這一條也可以公告所以不管我們有沒有把它放進去這些都會存在而且一樣罩長可以公告沒有這個問題啊 |
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沒有這個問題啊好不好那現在只是覺得說你有沒有必要把每一個全部都放進來我覺得其實不用我覺得其實不用因為你這樣子第一個你會法條去看哇靠 跟一本書一樣對不對第二個是應該要以比較重要的還是有一個先後次序嘛對不對其他多了詳細的就放在這張裡面就好不影響現況啊不是啊如果沒有公告也能 |
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主席既然上一次開會都已經充分討論了今天應該就是把這個確定下來那如果今天又要再回到原點的話上次不是白開會了這樣很前後矛盾不是嗎 |
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你無所適從耶 到底我的節日還在不在為此修一個剛剛好呢因為本來他們都還是可以公告你今天修後不修他們都還是可以公告但是會影響放假現在放假的版本都沒有在放這幾天的嘛好不好 來 鎮店長委員來 待會張榮路委員 謝謝第一個 |
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內政部整理的這個一大片的並沒有在現行的節日紀念日的辦法裡面並沒有在現行的法規裡面並沒有這是第一個我要特別跟大家報告非常謝謝召委能夠安排不斷的安排今天的審查會因為中華民國 |
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政府現在所放的所有的節日或是紀念日的放假或是或是慶祝都是違法的啦好我來說哈現在的內政部所定的這個這個辦法按照行政程序法的規定必須要有法律的授權 |
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行政程序法明定行政程序法是什么时候开始实施呢民国90年1月1号依照行政程序法的规定所有的法规命令办法就是法规命令法规命令必须要有法律的授权所以我们现在这个办法现行的办法是没有法律的授权是违法的 |
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所以我們現在要把它合法化我幫你整理一下啦然後也回應一下部長剛剛的顧慮啦就是說萬一這一張沒有通通寫進去哪一天如果想要這一張又放假的時候很麻煩但如果這一張又放假的時候以今天現在我們新立法的過程中要放的節日假日在各委員的版本裡面都沒有在這一張裡面嘛 |
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所以沒有衝突嘛如果未來要增加的時候就一起修嘛哪一天譬如說這裡面其中燕光師傑要放假好了你就再把它修在裡面就好啦這是可以被處理的事情啦好不好所以我們還是回到主題還是微微還有意見嗎不是啦 |
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既然在修這個法了那些像這些什麼藥師節什麼就都不見了是不是要等到等一下你聽我講完你聽我講完要等到主管機關他提出來那他才是對不對所以我們今天的修法的過程會讓很多節日消失現在在討論是這個問題節日不會消失很多節日消失要等到這些主管機關再提出來說這些是不是節日 |
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不然這裡是主管這裡是這裡才是節日這樣你沒有放進來我們現在是討論這個問題我這樣子我今天就有一個想法出來啦會不會我們今天修完我們再把那個叫出來把那個那個那個我們在最後來了拉到最下面好我們假設現在28馬上29這個陣列一個其他有目的事的主管機關公告之節日這樣好不好概括條款嘛我們用這樣方式處理可不可以來張王路召委喔沒有齁 |
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我們大家想一下你現在節日我們現在裡面有放什麼警察節軍人節什麼國際醫師節什麼護理師節我們目前有放這些但還有其他百公百業他們現在有訂定的 |
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我們沒有放進去我跟你講我們內政委員會我們的裡面就有很多的這一些人也沒有各行各業也沒有放進去我個人是覺得你節日放進去跟你要不要放假我覺得這是 |
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就算我們的邏輯這是這是沒有差的沒有差的好在沒有差的情況之下對不對啊其實就是把它列進去而已啊就把它列進去啊我們各行各業我們都有尊重啊你也是法條把它訂了很多節日而已啊這個大家思考一下這樣子我認為這個方向也是可以大家想一下的 |
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我們為了醫事的效率我們又很怕這個剛剛大家都其實都很擔心沒完沒了然後重點都沒有討論到對不對 一天到晚在自己房打賺概括條款好不好用這樣的方式處理這樣是不是就都有法律定位了 |
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部長請謝謝報告召委跟各位是這樣子原來的劉衛寧的版本就是5至2裡面把它拿掉但是現在現行了現行還沒有法制化之前就是我們內政部跟目的事業主管機關譬如說剛剛提到藥師姐或者燕光師姐就是我們跟衛福部一起 |
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不能說講好就好了我們還要發到政府公報裡面去但是未來如果法制化按照紐委員版本的話就是這些部會自己去訂不用經過內政部部會自己訂 |
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目的事業主管機關譬如說衛福部自己定他的節日司法院自己定自己的節日監察院定自己的節日這是這樣子的一個思考邏輯那這樣子就是會回歸到我剛剛所說的你一定連動到那你要不要放假那如果沒有的話你變成弱化他的節日的意義的話就變成說這些部會只是公告現在有這個活動 |
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有藥師節的活動有司法師節的活動所以在法律的明定上面會有這個問題那也就是我們剛剛所說的如果你會覺得說以後我們修法再把它這些陸陸續續加進去但是修法的過程確實會比現在來得冗長沒有說由內政部跟目的事業主管機關直接對外公告那刊登政府公報就可以了以上 |
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所以部長你覺得這個東西通通要經過內政部來處理嗎現在就是要經過內政部所以才會有我們所說的100個節日的這個部分那未來的話就會發散出去每個部會都可以自己去公告 |
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你的意思是說按照現在這個所謂的概括條款的解釋實際上執行的成果嗎那你覺得29條可以怎麼修正如果你覺得要乾脆放出去還是你要在內政部管我覺得我們可以討論一下因為我們在剛剛修紀念日的時候就是條列式 |
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那沒有蓋跨市剛剛在紀念日所以我們覺得節日的話用這樣的方式會比較奇特而且如果你把它寫成中央目的事業主管機關就不是內政部了我如果改成由主管機關匯商各目的事業主管機關那就回到五字二條啊對啊 回到五字二條好不好 |
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我們覺得不是太好不是太好的理由就是說如果萬一有些新的節日的話沒有像我們原來的那個彈性很快很大我們只要我剛提到譬如說我們個藥師節還沒有對外公告那只要衛福部跟內政部講好 |
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這就刊登政府公報就可以了這是我們的實施辦法那現在變成實施法的話有一個藥師節要放假這件事情變成內政部要送到立法院來三讀通過以後才會放到這個法條裡面我現在講除非你要把它列進去嘛你現在就是要列進去要做法 |
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合訂那個如果你是有我現在講是概括條款的部分可不可以處理嘛我現在就是說合訂的部分難免掛一漏萬嘛所以要有概括條款去處理剩下的東西嘛是如果你不相信我講的部分你可以問一下法務部這個合訂的部分的話一定要經過我們立法院的刪除才可以啊 |
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不好意思這個剛剛內政部有一個114年紀念日節日及中央目的事業主管機關核定之日那你們列的裡面打信號的你在底下就有講說本表打信號的是現行紀念日及節日實施辦法鎖定之紀念日及節日那我們就把這個打信號 |
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我們今天不是列了嗎就改成打信號的以後就這個我們今天這個法通過以後就把這個打信號的改為就是信號的是我們那個叫做紀念日及節日實施條例所定之紀念日及節日那這樣就完全跟現行的沒有影響啊所以我們今天只要大家定的OK那就跟你過去實施都沒有關都沒有影響啊 |
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就也回答一下那個剛剛幾位委員的這個疑問嘛召委請裁示這個等於現行就是這樣啊是啊我們現在要慢慢把顧好像不是這樣喔部長你說清楚一下好像不是這樣好 法務部說明一下吧 |
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主席如果照剛剛主席所提的就是由各目的事業主管機關去定那就是一個授權等於是大院授權出去由目的事業主管機關來處理那剛剛那個部長這邊提的就是 |
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這是一個直行面的問題啦就是直接授權給各目的事業主管機關到底他們在主管機關的角度是不是有自愛難選的地方就這兩個不同的機制嘛一個是比如說由主管機關像現在的十字辦法它是由主管機關跟目的事業主管機關去匯商嘛那剛剛主席所念的這個版本就是 |
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直接授權出去了由各目的事業主管機關去審酌訂定這是兩個不同的授權模式啦但是那基本就是大院認為說除了本法訂的之外那有一些其他的就用授權的方式由主管機關去處理大概差異像在這個地方而已好 謝謝部長所以我還是要請問劉部長你覺得到底要會商 |
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公告或者是會商核定還是說直接授權這我們要了解一下行政機關的想法對我們來講執行面的部分如果還是由內政部的話那就是本來5-2的部分就是目的事業主管機關要會商有關機關來訂定這個節日那個部分就是授權是授權變成兩個部會要同意但是我所說的我還是擔心是聯動的條款 |
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譬如說我還是要用移民節啦我們沒有移民沒有移民部未來可能會有新住民署那我們會有國際移民節那國際移民節要放假這一天的話是由內政部幫他公告說放假就好還是我們要送到立法院來說要放假 |
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要放假的部分在節日堅持要審查完畢之後你沒有辦法這樣直接切割開來第一個這個節日的話呢他有紀念活動都沒有錯可是你如果你剛又授權那我把移民日拿掉那又授權到時候有個新的法律新的那個節日出來那有的人主張要放假這件事情還要送到部長部長我跟你說明一下放假的條文規範在第四條跟第六條嘛哪些節日可以放假規範第四條哪些節日可以放假規範第六條 |
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如果他要放假就要修這兩條啊對不對但是你沒辦法你沒辦法第三條第四條第五條第六條都保留跟脫鉤我們就不曉得這個邏輯思考在哪裡你要有一貫性啊所以我現在非常希望可以達成共識不就是這樣嗎對不對 |
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你現在剛剛民進黨這邊提出來的問題是這麼一堆對不對沒有被放進去會不會不公平會不會有掛一漏萬嘛那為了擔心掛一漏萬其實按照現行的制度他本來就可以自己公佈然後約定成熟變成大家習慣的價值其實本來就OK但如果大家希望說大概完整一點再圓滿一點我們就要加一個概括條款嘛那大家到底同不同意這麼做 |
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因為我覺得如果不加其實不加也可以加看怎麼寫其實都可以因為都不影響執行嘛因為實際上執行進到深水區就是要放假你就一定要列在上面而且跟著第二條一起修嘛其實是這樣子嘛 對不對請你加概括條款可以解決部長說的問題嗎我剛聽的是好像沒有辦法解決呢 |
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好像沒有辦法解決跟張委員報告一下那個節日如果按照原來劉委員的版本的話那就寫個其他由中央目的事業主管機關合訂嘛那這個部分就變成不是內政部主管對所以請部長提出那是不是請部長提出你覺得要怎麼好改主管機關是不是更好 |
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我們不要幫忙來決定司法失節因為這裡面不是只有行政系統我們還有司法系統說不定還有考試院節所以用這樣的方式的話變成是給內政部太大的權利因為我們原來政府公告出去的時候他只是訂定節日這個節日只有做一些活動 |
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根據他們的藥師或是司法師或者是律師只有這樣所以我剛才一再提到說你的邏輯如果一致的話我們沒有意見但是邏輯如果不一致的話有可能紀念日是紀念日的處理方式節日是節日的處理方式那這樣子我們在執行上面就會碰到困擾 |
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譬如說我們剛剛在處理有關紀念日的時候就沒有給內政部有任何的空間紀念日就是這個樣子有歷史的定義有這個我們在那個處理有關不同族群的定義那已經訂定了所以這個叫條列式但你現在這是叫概括承受式那這兩種不同的部分就是我所說的那你最後的放假日到底要放假幾天放假日一定要在不是不是您聽我講紀念日要放假幾天你們已經討論了 |
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節日要放假幾天變成是你概劃給我們做決定的話沒有概劃這是第六條才會討論啊是節日要放假哪幾天是第六條明明啊但是它無法脫鉤它無法脫鉤你可以這樣講就是說由中央目的事業主管機關合併的節日我講的概劃是不影響前面我想第29前面第28還是在嘛 |
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我的意思是說由中央目的事業主管機關核定的這個日什麼日什麼日什麼日就要跟放假日要脫鉤處理目前為止所有的版本都是脫鉤的狀態但是麻煩寫清楚麻煩可以寫得比較清楚主席我試著了解看看是不是兩方這樣的狀況就是因為部長這邊應該是擔心的是說就是到後面的放假的狀態 |
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會因為這邊前面變成是一個不確定嘛那我覺得現在是不是這樣因為既然這個我們已經就是將近八成九成OK了嘛就跟剛剛紀念日一樣八成九成OK了嘛那您剛剛願意把那一條就再放一下再放一下的意思不是不處理而是說那反正三四五六這個就是一打包一塊的所以我們就先保留一下沒有到喊主席現在已經拍板喊確定 |
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那所以我們現在是不是就是也前進到八九成了那這條是不是就先放這樣然後我們可以看看其他的那這樣子的話也許部長的確實他的擔心也不是沒有道理啊啊你說的說啊那個是後面不是沒有道理嗎這個有道理好那我們放下第六條節日的放假我跟大家一樣啊報告好對第六條基本上我覺得是寫的蠻清楚的啦寫的是蠻清楚的 |
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那比起現行的狀況啦齁國民黨黨團的版本是增加小年夜嘛好那民眾黨黨團因為剛剛移民日是放在節日嘛對不對所以民眾黨團希望放移民日高清委員有想法嗎針對節日放假的部分 |
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放假的部分就以現行來說呢我們是原住民是一天那在不管是已經撤案的吳麗華的版本或者是已經撤案的陳寅版本或者是以前的原住民的立法委員都希望三天 |
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所以呢在第六條裡面我在這邊我的提案也是希望能夠三天那跟這個節日是這個三天呢是由這個園民會他們來跟各族群部落談定了以後我們再公告好不好謝謝好所以高靖遠的意思是希望歲時計增加到三天嘛對不對好這重點是放在這個地方嘛那我剛剛補充除了小年夜之外還有那個勞動節的全國放假啦好我們也寫在裡面來張宏祿召委有請 |
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小年夜放假齁 我個人齁 我上次也講了我覺得 我比較不認為小年夜放假啦因為目前本來小年夜就有放假了現在本來就是都有放假了那你又把它用成小年夜放假 我覺得沒有必要你如果真的要放假 我還是覺得是大年初四還比較有合理性 |
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因為你本來就是已經規定彈性放假小年就已經放假了你這樣子第一個讓這個行政機關他去調整放假第一個好處理第二個這樣子你也比較符合 |
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我們一般人民他已經習慣了好幾年這樣子的而且如果過年你往後延一天你反而可以紓解這個交通因為你回鄉的小年月放假已經紓解了那你要返回工作崗位的如果你往後放一天那反而可以紓解交通我覺得這要有不同的思考大家看一下 |
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好 謝謝徐清河人我不知道因為我已經很久我都沒有在管假日但是就我了解小年夜線沒有放假它是因為補假你要補班喔它本身不是假日喔所以現在放假它就不用補班囉所以大家要思考一下這個問題我剛剛有確認一下因為我已經當民意代表以後我都沒有假日了所以我剛剛但是我有確認小年 |
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沒有沒有沒有 所以小年夜是沒有放假的喔那現在如果改成假日 大家就不用補班了好 謝謝不是 我跟你講齁現在是調 我剛剛已經講了 調整放假本來就都有調整放假 雖然要補班所以我認為 你現在去動這個小年夜你還不如把它放在大年初四我覺得這樣子 |
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反而會比較好你還是一樣你放小年夜跟簡單講啦放小年夜跟放大年初四我認為以台灣的現行的制度然後跟這個過年的這個你放在初四比放在小年夜更好因為小年夜除夕然後在初一這樣子我跟你講你往後我覺得我覺得 |
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這我替你做不用講那麼白啦聽懂嗎 我知道你的意思你放在出事 |
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我覺得至少到目前為止這一條的討論是非常有建設性的大家都有各自的想法大家都有各自的想法我們消化一下因為到最後三四五六難免要一起處理啦來我們美惠姐講完之後我們第七條把它處理完再來回頭主席在這裡我要請博定剛才所問的說移民節給休困一天嘛 |
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第二點就是說 剛才的小年夜 還是小時候因為我們就是都會去休息 卡住 拜六禮拜因為拜五休息 要補駕 |
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我們如果補價補太多是外賣給賣市啦如果沒有補價是對我們這裡的企業又不行啦跟這種的問題說實在我也很煩惱所以說在過年這一票因為一般我們票都票要賠三年嘛 |
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要怎麼可以 何時可以好 有什麼好方法因為這幾天就是這樣 |
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好不好 醫生保證你 狀況有好好的大年夜 跟大年赤子 影響到的報告的問題來 請蘇小霍委員好 我想針對這個人入民族碎石記的這個部分三日假的部分發言 |
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那我個人在上一次討論的時候我也表達了確實以我們原住民族要去參與這個碎石祭儀的時候有三日的假期真的是對族人朋友是非常的 |
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好啦這個我們都同意也肯認這樣的方向但是問題是吼這個就牽涉到這個上一次圓明會有跟大家也報告了那這個放假就等同於是雇主要直接是給付三日薪給我們的族人朋友嗎應該是吧不然的話怎麼會叫做放假好那這樣的狀況下其實以 |
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現行的狀況來講也有很多族人朋友是在從事的工作是比較辛苦的狀況就是一天一天或者是真的會不會影響到工作我想請袁明慧就這個部分再提出來說明一下然後或者是說有什麼想法可以折衷讓大家又可以放假又可以對待的工作處境能夠得到保障因為我覺得 |
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理想是理想現實是現實有很多狀況是你規定的美意到時候反而是造成了實際執行的困境我覺得這也不好請如實報告讓大家參考主席還有各位委員我想加入剛剛蘇委員所特別提到的那當然現在的稅實際目前已經是保障了假日所以如果放假的話是不扣薪的那已經執行十幾年了 |
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那這也是彰顯政府對於原住民族文化的支持不再不扣薪而且是一定要放對不對他請了就一定要放嘛一定要放 對所以不過現在增加天數雖然是回應族人的訴求不過我們當然也是如同剛剛蘇委所特別提到的現在還是尚未能考量考慮到整體社會的環境以及實際執行的情形因為族人如果要 |
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這樣放假三天後必須面臨更多不容忽視的挑戰比如說可能造成原住民在就業勞動市場處於不利的狀況比如說就業機會的衝擊還有族群關係的緊張如果要達成真正的尊重多元促進文化傳承的目標是不是應該要更加注重政策的精細設計跟全面的協商因為如果放假三天增加天數 |
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所牽涉的層面當然還是有一點廣就陳如剛委員所特別提到因為現在原住民在勞動業比較多他的替代性比較高所以應該要尊重原住民在文化跟實際社會需求尋找一個平衡點 |
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但副主委我覺得您這樣子講我是給你一個機會來提出你的看法但你不能在回答的時候都變成說尊照蘇偉仁的看法蘇偉仁其實是想要三天假的只是問題是現在社會有困境當然你人民會你必須也要一起來想怎麼樣讓社會能夠朝著有三天假的方向前去我知道困境我也能夠體諒所以我們願意說看怎麼做 |
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這是也你必須要提出來的不然的話我們當然會覺得說三天就很棒了對不對謝謝 請高清委員曾副主委請問一下那個稿子是行政院給你的稿子還是園民會的立場我們園民會自己在上個禮拜自己在討論檢討那你跟我們主委員的想法跟蘇巧惠委員 |
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媳婦 原住民的媳婦的想法好像不太一樣你這番話在聽到族人的耳裡我們會對人民會非常的失望好嗎我希望你再把原住民實際上所面臨到的問題跟困境麻煩一下再說清楚而不是說社會觀感或者是社會上的然後就業勞動市場會影響到我們的族人 |
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我會接受這樣的說法謝謝好為了因應這個碎石祭的假期的確族人都認為一天不足因為現在目前的 |
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整個碎石祭的活動的確已經縮短像現在的各族群的碎石祭大概都會放在期間然後由部落自己去決定哪一天那因為定為一天為放假日所以很多部落在做決定的時候都會放在禮拜五或者禮拜一希望能夠把假日禮拜六禮拜天也把它放作 |
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是一起回來參與部落的文化碎石祭所以通常來講大概也都會有三天的時間來因應社會的需求那當然我們目前的確這個部分也是部落族人一直在希望能夠延長的部分因為目前不管是前期的準備或者是後繼有分前繼後繼等 |
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那當然因為現在部落為了因應目前一天的時間都會把那一天濃縮在重要的那一天來來配合整個活動好所以總副主委您是同意我的提案嗎我的提案是三天包括雖然已經撤案的吳麗華委員也撤案的陳寅委員他們都是講三天所以現在保留到現在協商的條文只有我的條文所以你是支持還是不支持請問 |
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因為我們也會面臨到很多在勞動市場上一些廠商不要再重複這些了啦你不要再重複這些了啦所以我想要在這邊問清楚我們立法委員就是在這邊修法立法而 |
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大多數的原住民的族人不分勞動市場不分牧師不分我們的這個所有的族人大家都期待三天如果我們的行政院或是民進黨政府不同意三天那你們就勇敢的提出來不同意三天嘛那就勇敢的把吳立華委員跟陳英委員的版本也留在我們立法院嘛為什麼要撤案 |
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今天就是要放三天跟不放叫三天好不好謝謝我請召委待會就是採釋一下好民住民的部分到底是要放三天還是不放三天謝謝就這麼簡單的一個問題謝謝好大家針對這一條有沒有什麼想法邁委員 |
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謝謝主席關於就是說我們年夜的部分我是覺得是說因為每一個人都要回去過年所以這個都是大塞車如果是我們小年夜去放假的話是讓大家因為這個是以我們現在修法的是民俗傳統大家都要回去拜公嘛就是團圓 |
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所以我覺得是說小年夜要去放假我覺得是合理的第一個第二個的話我們是族群融合包容所以我們現在的我們的祭祀日是說我們的這個就是 |
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岁时就是原住民的原住民不同族群他们定的时间但是大家也是一样传统希望我们的族群的人要回来一天但是一天的话当好这是不是节日又匆匆忙忙可能见个面就走了所以没办法 |
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所以我们希望这个是不同族群去放假我觉得三天是比较合理的就是让他们可以真正的去纪念这个还有就是关于移民节这个部分呢因为我们是要求全国每一个县市都要去庆祝这个移民日还有我们台湾是一个 |
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移民国家所以这个移民日的话有放假的话我们是不管是新住民也好或者是其他国家的来到台湾有很多我们台湾的国定假日是我们的移民移民的新住民也好移工也好乔生等等他们不见得是在我们的国定假日 |
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或者我们的节日可以去放假的所以我们希望说我们是多元的族群又是多元的国家所以我们希望说这个我们要庆祝以外希望大家就是有一个就是全国可以放假不是要求大家办但是 |
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每个人都不能放假的话就变成是是这个节日是没办法说放假所以我们希望说要提高我们的公民对我们的全球的移民的现在的认识还有大家都说我们要去包容多认识据说全国光放假的话就是要希望就是族群各 |
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的族群去認識不同的文化的節慶對我們的移民的權利還有保護也強調說我們的移民社會對經濟啊這些的貢獻所以我們希望就是大家共同來去就是認同這一天也讓大家可以慶祝 |
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也可以一起共同去放假就是族群包容就是要互相去認識才能才能達到這樣的共識還有說我們移民署我們已經有移民署也有立法嘛新住民基本法有立法未來也有一個新住民發展署所以說不一定是立法才有假日剛才我們內政部長說什麼這個立法什麼這才有假日不是啊但是沒有立法之前也有這樣子的假日啊 |
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所以我覺得這個是要能夠爭取就是移民日就是不同的族群有不同的族群的紀念日以上謝謝好謝謝麥立正委員下面請李博士委員好同意啦台灣當然是一個很包容新住民那可以大家一起來生活的一個國家啦那要不要放假我覺得這個讓社會來多一點討論 |
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我想請這個勞動部的次長來我問一下剛剛那個原民會的回答我覺得我們更理性來討論一下我們原住民提出來的這個問題我們現在原住民工作保障法第12條的規定的內容是什麼次長 |
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如果國內的員工超過100人應該有1%的原住民最少要聘用一個原住民對不對事業規模的行業的限制那如果沒有呢沒有就要繳代金代金繳多少這個部分是原民會會收取來你繼續問 |
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那個 我都沒有記你沒有記 我跟你講啊就是請的跟我的薪水差不多啦就是要罰他的薪水 要繳繳我們有一個基金中和發展基金的就業基金你要交給他啦是不是這樣對 相當於一個人的薪水然後交貸金給我們然後在我們的一個 |
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一個中和發展基金一個就業基金這一條會不會影響到如果多放兩天雇主他寧願繳貸金會不會造成這個影響我覺得這個你們跟勞動部要去做一個仔細的評估喔這個就是我們希望有一些考量的地方因為可能這個在就業上的衝擊雇主就會對這個部分有一些然後又變成在法律上有一些明定必須要禁用原住民 |
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對啊 我講的就是 雇主他可能合法他沒有禁用原住民 我覺得我們當然都覺得他不對 他要繳代金但是這樣雇主他會有他的選擇性嘛所以這個我覺得必須要跟勞動部要跟這個國內所有的這些一定規模以上的企業要做一定的討論喔這個好 謝謝博弈委員 我們請高進委員發言 |
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立法委員有立法委員的工作我還是在這邊要提醒一下中副主委該罰錢就該罰錢因為原住民族在這個土地上我們已經被剝削太多了轉型正義沒有我們什麼都沒有我們當談到我們的原住民族的族人要文化傳承 |
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要甚至於是我們的過年我們希望我們的族人們能夠聚在一起尤其讓都會施了根的蘭花的這些族人能夠方便回到家裡面去傳承文化 去學習母語去知道他的靈魂在哪一個地方難道不應該定一個 |
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這樣子的一個日期嗎而當我們訂這樣的日期的時候我還是要講到只要中華民國的立法院有原住民族的立法委員不分哪一個政黨全部都支持希望能夠放假三天而我們現在用行政命令把它已經弄到法的位階了難道不應該給原住民族一個轉型正義的機會嗎 |
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轉型正義條例沒有原住民族正義條例的那個轉型的那個遺址沒有原住民族連現在要放三天假也還扯到勞動部我希望這場的委員們請你們體諒一下請你們也理解一下原住民族的處境我們是這塊土地的主人 |
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一直在講說如何的對原住民轉型正義如何的能夠對原住民族能夠在他們自己的土地上面受到保障那麼就立法吧我剛剛講過了撤案的吳立華委員也是堅持三天的撤案的陳雲委員也是堅持三天的 |
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现在的其他政党的立法委员包括105年以前的立法委员现在已经不在的立法委员不在立法院的立法委员也一直不断的提出坚持三天 |
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我現在希望大家用同理心好嗎不要扯太多就是願不願意放三天假我也希望原民會你們堅持你們的立場你們是原住民族的委員會當然主委是行政院派任的但是中副主委你也是排灣族人曾主委也是排灣族人你應該非常清楚知道原住民的處境以上我希望這是我最後的發言謝謝 |
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好 謝謝高精素美委員這個我自己的版本跟國民黨團的版本也都支持三天了好 看起來這一題好像也還是沒有什麼共識啦我們先進第七條好不好然後我們第七條處理完之後三四五六我們休息協商好不好好 第七條那個有關於懸掛國企因為這個是從辦法裡面延伸出來的條文啦我覺得爭議應該不大啦那上一次有一個很有趣的就是說有一些日子要降半旗的 |
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那跟這個所謂的懸掛國旗的說法有沒有衝突那我查過之後是沒有衝突的因為你要降半旗之前你得先把國旗升起來所以即便有條文名列要懸掛國旗你也是先升再降所以跟降半旗的規定是沒有衝突那我想既然這個最大的疑慮已經被解決了是不是大家我們就照這個條文來做通過請大家表達意見好不好來文字底底下第七條因為這個大家的意見都一樣 |
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報告委員我們還是主張因為這裡面只有可不可以增加一個第7條的第3款就是和平紀念日因全國下半期一日相關機關團體舉行紀念活動可以把它增加進去我覺得如果要特別規定不影響效果我認為是OK的好嗎 |
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有沒有特別要降半級它一樣有強度的問題嘛所以我們才會說連動性很強啊部長如果現在如果沒有明寫其實是某些層面是給你行政機關彈性嘛那我想部長你要提和平紀念日一定是特別重要所以你想把它寫出來彰顯它的重要性我們是根據現在的這個版本啦但是剛剛如果 |
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對現在紀念日你增加那麼多以後也許有些紀念日是要下半期的那就要增三進去也許我們應該用這樣子的一個稍微有一點彈性的方式會比較好對文字上法條文字上是這樣沒有錯 |
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這樣子我提醒一下就是說如果他有特別重要大家有共識的可以這樣處理沒有關係但是如果說到最後是又變成大鍋飯所有東西又三五十個節日要這樣搞我們的法條宣言這樣真的是好的嗎 |
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真的是好的嗎我想請大家思考一下如果他特別重要寫出來大家同意那就讓他過關如果很有可能他會有其他也要比照辦理那我建議不要放我們還是按照原條文因為不影響因為不管怎麼樣先升再降這在裡面這是不衝突的好不好大家有沒有想法我是建議原條文啦好不好因為你如果寫這個是為了後面還要衍生這個東西會比較麻煩啦 |
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我們光是三四五六我們頭就很大了對不對 不用再多一條啦好不好 是不是拜託大家我們這條按照原條原宣證通過可以嗎等一下啦等一下 等一下 等一下報告委員 報告委員我想喔 我還是一樣啦就是我們的想法是一樣就是如果你沒有寫下半期的話其實就是可下半期可不下半期啦因為我們現在當然是全國的共識性很強但是過了兩三年以後覺得無所謂反正法條裡面沒有這樣規範 |
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那所以我是覺得說無論怎麼樣和平紀念日或有些其他的什麼紀念日應該全國下半期我認為還是希望把它放到條文裡面這樣子相關的機關會比較好遵循所以你的邏輯是這一天特別重要嗎不是我不是邏輯是這樣我的意思是說更何況未來這個法律也不是只有 |
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內政部要執行因為未來你有授權其他的這個目的事業主管機關所以可能要譬如說和平紀念日現在舉辦的活動可能是教育部可能是文化部也不一定是內政部所以可能要勞煩是不是各位再思考清楚一點現在大家很明確約定署程要這樣辦就是228嘛對不對那我們就先這樣寫先這樣過好不好如果後面有那個大家說後面再修法嘛好不好 |
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先這個版本先過那個下半期現在是現在就這樣現在會降半級啦是按照現行的規定好那我們就知道這個版本通過 大家有意見嗎 |
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來 高經緯我覺得很好啊大家依照中華民國這塊土地上啊滿好的啊 這個國家叫中華民國啊滿好的 同意好 那我們就修正通過了好不好第七條的部分 |
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好請補充至於這裡第二項因為前面第一項是寫紀念日第二項又把紀念日擺進去那我們是建立第二項直接改成節日就好了節日得由各機關團體學校依其性質舉行紀念慶祝或民俗等相關活動第一項是規定紀念日的紀念方式第二項是規定節日的方式我們是覺得這樣比較不會前後矛盾 |
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各集團團體沒有啦我覺得他第一款的概念是要是有關於國旗的說法吧是不是國旗 |
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我反而覺得你現在這樣子就改的有點奇怪因為我們現在第七條應該仍然是就整部法律是紀念日集結日這樣一起來處理他只是第一項特別在講說紀念日的時候有一些比較特定的方式 |
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那其他的話呢是這個這個不管是紀念日或者是節日都還是可以依循依循他的特殊性質去做相關的狀況因為有一些紀念日我們我們現在保留的紀念日裡面我們現在在做紀念日裡面也還是可以除了跟國旗升降還有這個這個這三四三個特別列出來的有 |
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因為紀念日有第四款如果增加第三款有第四款的其他紀念日所以我們是覺得說那第一項就整個規範紀念日的部分那第二項就整個規範節日的部分好 我聽起來我覺得還我們再看一下 不好意思其他紀念日得益性質群紀念活動節日 你等於把節日這樣拖出來講對不對得益和愿意及性質第一項都講紀念日 第二項講節日啦對 它的邏輯是這樣啦 |
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我覺得這樣還蠻合理的啊我問一下李博弈委員請現在的那個孔子誕辰紀念日有掛國旗嗎現在有嗎那個內政部都有掛國旗啦各機關都有掛國旗孔子誕辰紀念日學校都有掛國旗學校跟各機關不一樣學校也有 |
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不是 他們問孔子誕生紀念日有沒有掛國旗啦我們現行的紀念日就有掛國旗一旗啦 他一旗姓子 OK啦德游各機關團體級學校 一旗姓子 可以啊 |
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應該各機關團體得 各機關團體 節日逗號各機關團體及學校得一期性質吧 |
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那個 巧慧瑋你可那個我提個概念齁節日逗號各機關團體及學校得依其性質這樣跟上面才是一樣的語法啦是不是 |
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妳戲就下去以後妳就會覺得現在這文字很奇怪啊因為妳看紀念第一項的話紀念日然後它的主持是會不會是街政府嘛主體嘛對啊中央級地方政府嘛然後到第三項和平紀念日的時候還有相關機關團體欸什麼叫做相關機關團體這全國都是需要的啊為什麼是什麼叫做相關 |
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對啊你到時候相關又要吵很多然後呢再來的話到下面節日的時候又變成是各機關團體學校對啊那你這個切分一個法條裡面主持就有三個這不是也蠻奇怪的嗎而且還分配在不同的位階上面 |
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對阿然後你第一項的第四款裡面其他紀念日得一性質舉行紀念活動你那這樣你這個主持又是誰你三和四的主持又不一樣我覺得你這整個文字因為時序的關係其實蠻不通順的耶有沒有好的建議版本張導演 |
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不是啊 我剛剛一直在看第七條你一開始紀念日中央及地方政府應懸掛國旗其實本來就有懸掛了本來就都有啊我們的中央及地方政府不可能把國旗拿下來每天都有啊那你說你第七條你紀念日的話你是不是應該改成全國各機關 |
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會不會比較好你只有中央跟地方政府我不知道大家想一下你才可以解決你前後你才可以解決不一樣的 |
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好 那個這個我請行政機關這部分針對這一條第七條的法條的文字來做一下休息與此同時我們針對三四五六四個條文我們做最後一次的協商我們用二十分鐘的時間做最後一次的協商因為我們總要法條往前走好不好休息二十分鐘 |
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阿姨我找妳耶我修正我修正我修正一下因為那個現在土豪很好住在國務處才比較有感覺台北沒有感覺那我回去再拍對所以我把它全部都記進去 |
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前天好多人耶 |
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那你就回去再煮因為那個效果不一樣 |
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對啊,還有泥土啦這樣我們就回去他那個帽子我再去跟他要有啊,有謝謝因為我剛想了一下,你在谷土感覺比較 |
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| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
冰棒冰棒冰棒冰棒 |
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12888.609 |
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12907.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
對,對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
嗯。 |
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12951.91 |
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你今天穿今天的襪 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
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還好啦 這件好暖喔 這件超暖喔 這個很暖這件很暖啊只是在想說你們要什麼時候 |
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因為連假四天你要考慮一下,因為我怕他們會不高興因為你剛講完以後,你嘲笑趕快過來找他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
13006.026 |
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就是特定族群的人 只要經驗就好了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
13032.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
13034.156 |
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我有聽到,我有聽到,我趕快,趕快 |
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禮拜三是八八十五的連結所以都沒有開原會所以法案的那個呼應還沒有出 |
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所以司法法治管他的那個其實司法法治就另外判專訪 專案報告啦對 哇 現在就判那個專訪 現在要判你知道嗎 公平的說話 |
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我們現在沒有放嗎?我不是以為我們平常是放1、2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50 |
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因為大家都喜歡出門拍照小年夜現在在旁邊調皮 |
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保險放假所以會有補班的問題未來如果想年夜放假就是春夏就是固定五天的話那五天我們的理解就是五天如果是上班日當然就放假可是我們一般正常週休二十五天上班日 |
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沒有 你現在如果是把它變成春假是五天沒有補假的問題因為你不是用彈性調班的問題那不是沒有補班的問題 那要補假萬一你跨到週末你要補兩天所以我的意思是說未來的春假一定不會只有五天 |
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所以以後春假不會只有五天所以理論上出事一定會放得到 |
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如果是小年夜除夕一二三嘛那一定會跨到禮拜六禮拜天你倆跨禮拜六禮拜天他就會補刀出事啦他就會補刀出事嘛啊你放出事跟你講的是一樣啊 |
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客觀還是一樣啦可是問題是小年月在前有一時候小年月在前你跨到假日政府假日在後面你如果放出事 |
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跨到週末的時候他會再往後延嘛會被人放到 可能會放到初七之類的但小年齡還是放不到但是你如果放小年齡後來你出事是不是會跨到週末會補嘛這樣其實就有九天啦 |
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不是 因為你如果是 比如說我除夕是禮拜五 |
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14075.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
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喔 回來了 台北市都沒有人啦好 報告委員會 我們繼續開會剛剛針對第七條第七條 好 現在行政機關有提出一個建議的版本來 我們秀在螢幕上 那個大家聽 |
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14093.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
14094.282 |
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請問針對文字修正大家有沒有意見 |
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14123.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
14123.605 |
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好還有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
14126.991 |
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14152.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
趙偉補充說明一下只是補充說明因為這裡面有把學校列進去但是有一些像私立學校或者並不屬於這個台灣教育部所主管譬如說國際學校的部分的話可能就我們就沒有強制性這個沒有辦法了要說明要說明清楚因為我們以前都沒有放學校現在把學校放進去的話當然是可以公立你可以舉出的方法為主好嗎好那我們就修正通告好不好好謝謝 |
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14175.75 |
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那這個只是說明一下就是學校他是一個概念性而不是一定是所有的學校因為有些學校並沒有登記失利的不一定或者是其他的外喬學校他也不一定要掛中華民國國旗我是要講這個部分 |
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主席我尊重你的裁決啦但是我還是覺得說因為確實我們剛剛那個3456嘛還在那一包還在那裡的處理的狀況到底會處理成什麼樣子坦白講現在也還不知道所以我還是主張是連同這一條是一起把它放成是保留沒有含死確定的狀態我認為這樣是比較合理的討論狀態 |
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我還是要表示我的意見喬委員我是覺得現在文字的修正大家盡量求圓滿是比較有機會通過啦因為如果整包進行協商當然不是不行啦但是整包進行協商的時候它會不會是這麼圓滿的版本就比較難講嘛萬一協商破裂到時候要表決我是希望可以盡量在委員會達成共識的條例我們都達成共識啦是不是請喬委員成全一下 |
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14229.551 |
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14251.287 |
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我知道這個是你行政機關你出來的不是不是我們的見解跟那個蘇委員還有那個可能要請主任秘書講一下就是我們剛所說的現在只有爐裂的是和平紀念日那未來譬如說還有其他的假設假設還有什麼國際人權紀念日的話那就表示這個條文需要再做文字修正所以一併來講這個就是要連動式的保留 |
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好謝謝那如果要保留的話是不是就恢復原來的版本了要保留就是跟著前面的版本一起啦如果是這樣子的話那就真的就是就開花啦對啊那這樣開花的話啊不然就是要表決嘛對啊我們把它走完13條公佈日這我講這國民黨黨員基本上堅持啦就是公佈日實施啦 |
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那請問行政機關有沒有問題跟民進黨有沒有問題沒有沒有沒有沒有我覺得這樣不對吧不行不行啦不行不行不行剛剛第七條就開花了我說那不然這樣來表決好了好我們請高經緯人 |
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一直以來那陣委員會其實我們都非常能夠大家在委員會的時候討論處理那如果貴黨團現在民進黨團很顯然有很多的意見包括之前有很多民進黨委員的提案也都撤案了然後我們現在所討論的是 |
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國民黨團跟高精素美的提案在這邊討論了這麼多天大家也認識了那麼久我覺得大家就是不拿那個客風也可以啦就是如果說在場的內政委員會的這個民進黨委員你們有一些壓力那麼我們就了解你們的壓力那我們就送黨團協商好不好不要再浪費大家太多的時間好謝謝李博人 |
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14358.2 |
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我覺得我們現在討論的是這個不但只有紀念日還有這些放假日那對三四五六七條大家有很多的意見那我們我會比較主張既然要討論多放那麼多天我們多討論一天或多討論兩天也是一個方式讓比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
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很多剛剛高經委員對於我提出這個園民會跟勞動部這邊要有更多的討論高經委員不高興我說實在我對所有原住民紀念日我都表達尊重但我覺得社會要多一點討論所以我這邊再提出來說是不是我們多討論一天還兩天請高經委員 |
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14419.147 |
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回答李博業委員我今天為什麼會對園民會的這個在台上的說法感到憤怒跟不解因為3月17號的時候根據園民會自己的書面報告我念一下給大家聽 |
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因為各族記憶文化具有其舉行的實踐程序及步驟本會履獲原住民族人普遍反應放假日數不足難以完整的傳承原住民族豐富的記憶文化且 |
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14438.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
14461.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
无法参与部落记忆相关筹备作业等再者多数族人现居都会区单就往返家乡或部落所在地急需半日是一天的车程放假日数影响族人参与的意愿故增加税时记忆放假日数不仅可促进各族群文化的发展 |
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私底下我也一直問原民會3月17號你們的書面說明跟一直以來我們的溝通都覺得放善添加是可以的為什麼到今天原民會就會提出那麼多我說是行政院給你壓力還是你原民會主委自己 |
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他说自己里面开会我说那你开会总是会有一些结论吧也有一些公文嘛所以呢我现在也正式的请我的呃办公室新闻给原民会请问一下在场的哪几位这个原民会的官员 |
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14517.4 |
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你們提出要跟勞動部或是其他委員有一致的想法所以在這裡我覺得園民會其實今天的表現讓我覺得有一點失望那三天假我再一次說明一下 |
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所有曾經在立法院擔任原住民立法委員不分政黨不分黨派的委員都希望能夠三天從以前一直到現在所以我真的希望大家能夠支持我的版本然後現在跟周委報告一下我們討論了那麼久我們沒有行政院的版本 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
然後本來有民進黨的版本也撤案了那今天我們一直在討論花了這麼多的時間我相信召委你的用心所以是不是我們大家也都已經是這麼樣的逐條討論了而且勞工大眾的勞工都期待這個法案能夠趕快上路再者鄭天才委員有講一直以來用行政命令其實是違法的狀況啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
14588.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
所以現在我們能夠有一個法源能夠讓他真正的立法大概不是很好嗎所以我希望召委做個材質好不好大家就不要再多的論述以上謝謝好謝謝各位委員這其實我們希望這個今天再多排一點審查其實就是希望可以等到版本嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
14617.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
那針對版本直接達成共識但看起來今天還是很多是一時起意好等等等等一些狀況以至於今天真正關鍵的條文還是沒有有想要推進的進度其實蠻可惜的好我現在手上收到一份民進黨黨團的提案因節日及紀念日紀念日及節日實施條例草案仍有多條文未能達成共識願請本會議令定期繼續審查以求完備不應敬送願會協商好這個顯然大家兩邊的意見是有所分歧的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
14617.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
14626.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我們提案人是我們的民進黨黨團的各位委員那我們就直接來針對這樣子的議案來做處理我們現在針對這個提案我們就採用舉手表決 大家可以嗎好 那贊成民進黨黨團提議請舉手好 六位 反對的請放下 反對請舉手 |
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14646.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
14669.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
1234567好 反對7位所以民進黨黨團提案不通過那我們就照剛剛大家講啦其實大家都很有誠意 也希望趕快但勞工放假不能等啦真的不能等啦好不好那我們就反而還是要往前走因此那我們就我們就現在沒有達成共識的34567跟13條我們就進黨團協商的階段來處理好 那我現在到台上宣讀協商結論請大家稍等 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
14688.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
14702.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
第一條是修正圖表,其他的第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
14722.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
14724.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
可以了 可以了 你就写进来吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
14725.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14751.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
好 現在宣讀協商結論首先第一條修正通過第三條 第四條 第五條 第六條 第七條 第十三條依高金素美委員台灣民眾黨黨團函修正動議牛許廷委員等修正動議及委員會初步審查修正條文並按保留協商 以上請問各位委員剛照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過 請問有異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
14754.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14777.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
有異議沒有啦沒有好那我們就我請問一下那我們就是保留協商就是全部還是我們討論的那三個對啊就剛剛這幾個就這幾個而已還有我們今天有討論有一些有一些有一些初步的共識我們也會保留下來好不好好謝謝那我們就無異議通過好那我們 |
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14780.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
14808.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
對啊 現在是這樣這個喔好 我們現在做欸 不是啊來來 你有 你有 你說喔 每位有意見嗎 請主席剛剛 我們的寬度的版本你也跟有啊 我們在委員會討論的都有併進來我們剛剛在委員會討論到一半還沒有完全有共識 都會併進來跟您報告一下有我們當然盡量好 那麼我們今日討論事項所列議案今天日及節日實施條 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
14810.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14823.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
怎麼了好請主席你再念一次你剛剛說有沒有意義的那個結論一下照剛剛宣讀寫上結論通過大家無意義通過啊寫上的結論啊有意義啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
14824.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14852.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
你有什麼意義 有哪一部分而且還沒討論完啊 怎麼會沒有意義剛剛你提案已經表決過啦你希望繼續審查你希望繼續審查啊那你說這三四五六條有沒有意義我說還在討論啊 當然有意義不然為什麼要協商我們表決的是要不要再繼續審查我剛剛宣讀的是協商的結論也就是今天三四五六七以及十三因為沒有共識我們保留進入黨內協商的階段沒有共識就是有意義啊所以我說沒有共識要不要再討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
14855.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14883.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
是保留協商啦 進到黨團協商的階段您剛剛有提說需不需要繼續繼續在這邊做審議已經有 已經 你們提案已經表決了嘛那表決沒有通過嘛好不好不是啦我問一下齁李 李柏毅 李柏毅李柏毅委員的意思是說你要保留送協商這件事情他有意義有意義啦 有意義啦可以啦好 有意義那我們就表決吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
14884.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14896.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
好 有異議我們就表決那贊成照協商結論通過的 請舉手贊成照協商結論 就是我們剛剛宣讀的通過的 請舉手好 贊成者七位反對請舉手反對六位好 那贊成者多數那我們就照剛剛協商結論通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
14914.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14941.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那我們就做一下決議討論事項所列議案紀念日及節日實施條例草案等二十五案以併案審查完據拟據審查報告提報院會討論請問在場委員需不需經過黨團協商要要 OK就這樣嗎好 本院與院會討論時有本席牛雪婷委員做補充說明審查通過之條文調適引述條文部分文字及相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理本次會議到此結束現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
14943.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14955.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
還是李柏惟比較聰明?我剛才就說...他就...沒有啦,我常常在店裡吃飯的結果我會冷卻啊,他在45分久的店中燒的這盤都燒的啊 |