| IVOD_ID |
165575 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165575 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:12:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:22:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d1b3ebf03c30d7da8c56e0913f8e9ddf6f9ed37f72173c5d09be43c8a959977bea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:53 - 10:22:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣中油股份有限公司董事長及行政院公共工程委員會首長就「中油三接案第二期遭檢舉浮報工程款項爭議」進行報告，並備質詢。
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請董事長還有部長 謝謝來 請兩位 謝謝 |
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我想利用今天这段时间让大家质疑的部分让我们的董事长能够很清楚说明清楚让部长这里了解到底我们要怎么应对因为其实从媒体的报道当中我们一直强调的我们一定要直求对决 |
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到底我們現在調查到什麼程度到底我們所有的狀況是不是如此我們要講清楚所以我大概有幾個現在在週刊的爭議問題我想我還是比較希望透過你們這樣一問一答把很確定的表達我們現在所了解的狀況第一個問題是他說 |
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我们施工的过程劳安问题频传造成七个人不幸丧命有这件事吗有这件事情不过这个数字上有点误识应该是六个人六个人那为什么呢这里面有三个案子是发生的 |
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第一個案子就是那個沉箱在台北港製作的時候在他遷移到暫存區的過程中由於公安設施的不完整造成這個沉箱傾斜海水灌進去以後沉到海底那我們有做了應該有的處置跟處分嗎 |
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是 事后当然就去检讨这个原因的发生的原因去做了一个适当的一个防护措施对于失职的人员去做一个适当的处置那都有跟这六位不幸上命的劳工有跟他们和解吗公司有跟他们和解了吗是是是都有和解了都有都有 |
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那我们也做了处置对于失职的人员有做了处置造成这件事情不幸的事情那第二个问题他说这个工程内容品质不佳招职是豆腐渣工程那这个部分呢 |
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这个部分所指的就是也是那个城乡的问题同一件这两个案子不同件一个是针对品质一个针对公安对我是说他的工程都是你说的城乡都是同一个工程同一个城乡的工程对那么城乡制作完以后他要移到一个暂存区去放尸在那边去养护那么由于这个每一个城乡他之间的距离不够 |
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所以照永浪這邊去衝擊以後呢這個城鄉互相碰撞而造成破損這是第一個原因是因為它的距離不夠所以整個衝擊衝撞造成兩個城鄉 |
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碰觸而造成他們有破裂的狀況所以並不是所謂的豆腐渣工程並不是說在這個鋼筋混凝土的參混比例上有問題或者是裡面有參一些特殊的東西其他的東西而造成的是因為距離不夠是沉箱的距離不夠然後他沒有計算到整個浪衝擊的狀況而造成兩個沉箱衝擊碰撞對不對是是這樣好 |
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那麼第三個問題就是現在每天電視上都會看到的就是說我們是不是有福報預算金額對於整個三接二期的外推工程是不是有福報從原本的我們的94億然後因為我們的高層跟廠商私底下 |
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做一個協調而暴增了成為253億然後說還有 |
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錄音檔我這個讓大家覺得好像是一齣連續劇一樣那這個問題呢報告委員就這個錄音檔裡面所呈現或者是週刊所報導的事項這個場景實際的場景是怎麼樣不知道如果就週刊報導的文字去看這應該就是業者之間在那邊爆料引述說中油公司怎麼樣引述中油公司怎麼樣 |
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這個裡面沒辦法證實這個參與的人有中友公司所以你認為現在說有廠商跟我們高層的這個對話並不是這個樣子應該是廠商的爆料引述是這個樣子 對不對所以不是我們所謂的高層跟廠商之間的對話錄音 |
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不是不是嘛現在所得到的訊息是這個樣子那麼這所謂的94億因為週刊有跑出一個94億這個94億從哪裡來的你有沒有去了解OK那麼但就實質面來看我們當然自己公司內部來檢視這個94億120億150億是從哪裡跑出來的是 |
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目前內部的資料是完全沒有顯示這些數字我們得到的第一手台灣司機給我們的報價資料就是238.4億之後經過相關的程序以後最後預算調整到253億那麼之前所提到的那些數字完全在我們公司內部資料沒有呈現 |
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所以在我們內部資料從來沒有出現過這94億的這個數字完全沒有因為這個重要的是預算我相信我們都在嚴格把關如果從94億然後沒有經過適當的程序而暴增到253億我也覺得很奇怪 你要怎麼報 |
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你們還有審查的機制啊這個暴增非常多不是一億兩億說我變更可能我如果變更工程或是我有一些必須要突發的增加我們也有一定的程序這個都有比例的問題啊從94億跳到253億這個一看就不合啊尤其我們這個從過去到現在我們幾乎看了17年的預算 |
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你要从94亿暴增不论是你是不是国营事业你是不是中游可是你还有一定的我们财政的一个规律没有人敢所以我才会说94亿到底文字有没有这个数字那董事长说是没有没有完全没有所以你们的数字里面从4C给你们的唯有一个叫238亿 |
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對沒錯對不對然後最後你們所有調整完之後才跑出一個253億是的對不對在我們的資料裡面就這兩個數字從來沒有所謂的94億從來沒有所以董事長我覺得你們要很清楚的對外坦蕩蕩的 |
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非常清楚就是没有这94亿的数字所以如果有人在引用不实的我们也不排除要 |
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有法律的途徑因為這個真的把我們中油的這些辛苦的員工大家好像有一個陰影在好像我們私底下在做什麼樣的一個動作其實是沒有的嘛所以如果依照我們前面兩個問題就是六個人的不幸善命還有所謂的工程內容品質這些都是城鄉的問題嘛 |
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那这个部分我们已经处理了已经完成和解了跟当事者六位上面的他的家属有要求我们的厂商跟人家和解吗都有吗都有确定吗确定确定都有确定吗所以都和解完而且也进行了所有相关的惩处对不对好那内容品质部分不是品质的问题是因为距离没有拉好所以这个要处分呢他为什么当时候设计是这个样子 |
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但是它並不是豆腐紮工程是因為城鄉的距離不夠造成這個浪的衝擊趴來趴去那樣子很恐怖因為我在安南區我看很多我們整個所有海岸線那種衝擊那個是不是你能夠用一般的想法說那有可能真的有可能 |
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所以我們一定要把每一個事情把它分得很清楚對外講清楚不要蒙上這一層陰影而且第三個問題是我們根本從頭到尾就沒有94億這個數字就算世襲第一次的資料就是238億然後最後調整完之後還減少變235億 |
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253億是250增加到253億所以我覺得就是要把它講清楚所以我覺得說今天我們希望透過這個機會讓我們中友公司講清楚一點一點把媒體報導的部分釐清然後如果有人在引用錯誤的我覺得我們還是要輸出法律途徑因為我們已經說明清楚了好 謝謝 |