| IVOD_ID |
165574 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165574 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,19,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T10:12:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:21:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d1054aadcfb38581d07119a7747a4c5c6c9ed37f72173c5d093dc5b1e4eb39a2a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:17 - 10:21:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：11月18日（二）下午3時】
【11月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請財政部部長 主席請莊部長 主席長經濟部次長 陳主席長內政部部長 經濟部賴次長工程會主委還有工程工程委員會陳主委是內政部劉部長各位大家早安是 委員好是 我想表達立場支持預算 同島一命那本席也來自於就是台南丹納斯颱風的重災區 |
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那我深知道就是說災後的一個重建對地方的一個重要尤其這個漫漫的長路所以錢非常的重要可是在支持預算的同時我更善盡的希望各位盡到高標準高監督的一個責任那當然就是說這個透明度非常重要 |
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會計的責任財政的距離絕對不能鬆散那我們也希望這270億可以做到看得到查得到責任責任大家各自負擔那我想從這個圓餅圖裡頭我們來看到這一次270億的一個預算他集中在這個治水跟道路光是經濟部就佔了90億 |
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然後交通部有44.2億這看起來超過一半所以未來的五年這個地方其實透明度最容易被挑剔的所以我們希望就是說跟各位各位請教一下如果確保這個條例適用的範圍具有最大的一個彈性跟那個效率你們有沒有辦法做到各位你們在座的每一位 |
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應該是大家都沒有問題吧這個部分我們會沒有問題絕對會做得到而且我們希望說透過這個預算的支持來保護馬太安溪南北兩岸堤防的安全來確保我們國民的生活 |
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有没有办法做到就是说如果我像我现在问你说那个你的输进输进了多少立方有没有办法更精准的去承诺说可以讲到了就是说我公开我已经就是 |
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那個我的這個效益的一個指標我可以講到更精準就是說馬太安溪上游的A段A段它的標投入了多少錢這個有沒有辦法做這麼透明的一個那個就是系統性的一個這個沒有問題我們過去工程表案除了依照工程公共工程委員會的這個所謂的透明之外水利署也建立了一個廉政平台 |
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那在這邊我跟委員說明舉例來講我們在年底之前本來需要預計輸進是100萬立方公尺然後截至到目前預計輸進是將近40萬立方公尺但是我們現在本來是100萬現在是輸進到40萬所以你都可以非常我們現在輸進 |
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的進度已經超過我們年底預定的進度超過了200萬立方公尺所以就是說在這個資訊上面都可以非常的那個明確然後一起的成效也可以非常清楚的去表達是不是 |
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對 我們有設定明年訊息之前要完成的黃紅保護的標準還有包括預算執行期間的保護標準那接著我想請教財政部部長我想在這個第二項承諾的時候強化監督的機制那我們要杜絕這個會計跟財政的一個漏洞 |
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當然我們知道特別條例它有很大的一個彈性它在行政部門裡頭就是說它賦予它很多的一個彈性那來執行那相對的立法院的一個審核跟監管的一個機制就必須要再一次強化那我想在這裡問一下就是說財政部部長如果這個270億那會不會就是排擠到你其他的中央的建設的一個經費 |
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所以是沒有問題 |
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這個部分因為這個是一個非常重要的而且對於這個國民的安全生命財產的安全很重要所以這個部分是用舉債來做支應而且又納入這個特別預算但是仍然要受債務控管的一個管制受債務控管在這裡我想請教內政部部長如果 |
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我們用什麼樣的一個項目可以去取代代收代付的方式因為你中央你是用核實補助那回到的地方是代收代付那你什麼樣的項目是絕對不能用代收代付的方式呢 |
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部長我們可能會尊重那個主計跟會計單位的說法吧因為所謂的強化監督機制就是怕說是不是裡面在招標的過程當中會有弊案那我們那個在中央的部分以我們這次災後重建是下水道的部分我們一定會強力監督好 部長那我想你講得非常的清楚那我是不是請教那個主計總長就是說這一個項目什麼樣的一個項目就是說你不可以用代收代付來那個 |
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就是執行一般如果是緊急或災害的一個項目或者是他配合中央這種重大的政策一定時間完成的這個部分我們就可以用代收貸付那代收貸付等於是中央要負責審核的一個責任這個責任在誰身上 |
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在地方政府還是在中央政府地方政府是負責執行但是部會他如果補助他的會計人員要進行審查這樣子他的核銷相關的核銷要回到部會來做審查就回到部會來做審查是 代收代付的部分大部分是這樣子 |
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那這樣子我再請教謝謝主席長我再請教我們工程會主委對於線上工程的一個看板這個我們有辦法做到了就是說地點那個標案的名稱得標的廠商得標金額我們相信這個是比較簡單的可是工程進度的一個百分比還有議定實施日這個其實基本上就是說你可以不可以同時納入第三方公正單位的查核的結果 |
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我們可以確保重建的品質是不會加速因為加速而被犧牲的所有的公共工程大概5000萬年執行5000萬年以上工程會都有專案列管那會定期去查核會定期去查可是如果沒有超過5000萬呢 |
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機關自己查核機關自己查那你們有沒有把握就是說在這一次花蓮縣政府他就是說五千萬以下那讓機關自己查會不會出現什麼疲弱呢這次的特別預算大概都全部中央在執行那有些補助農業部的補助是透過地方的農會或縣政府的農會處去造冊 |
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那其中大概有一部分跟下水道或這個污水處理有關的會補助給地方政府來執行不過也超過五千萬好 主委那我在這裡再特別請教就是說主計長還有財政部長還有工程會主委就是說你們公開的記報跟會計的監督有沒有辦法用統一的一個格式有沒有辦法這樣來執行統一的格式 |
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我們過去特別預算執行的往歷是每一季會由主計總署向大院來報備是 是用報備的方式就是備查就是每一季都會執行情形都會向大院來報備 |
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所以就是說基本上在這一次這個270億我們也可以用相同的一個模式相同的一個方式的一個監督我們也願意這樣子做啦好 那個主計長有沒有問題 |
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這個部分我們是每一季都會做統計這個部分但是有時候工程進度和實際付款進度是不太相同這兩個還是有落差這個我們也會顯現出來好 那財政部部長來統一的格式我想這個部分我們一定用制式的格式對債務舉借的部分執行情況用制式的格式來做表達好 謝謝 謝謝大家謝謝主席好 謝謝我們那個委員接下來請李崑澤委員 |