| IVOD_ID |
165573 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165573 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-19T09:52:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-19T10:14:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:22:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9c5448532e3833d10e1b825d7277da457e24dce8f91e16ee9ed37f72173c5d093fb8e3d700d2a5af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:00 - 10:14:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院副秘書長、法務部部長、法務部調查局局長、行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心指揮官、內政部警政署署長、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會、經濟部、金融監督管理委員會、個人資料保護委員會籌備處等就「太子集團涉詐案、跨部會防詐及打詐成效，以及參考新加坡打詐鞭刑入法之可行性評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩部長還有陳局長好 麻煩鄭部長還有陳局長兩位早安我們今天討論的一樣就是大家都知道這個洗錢集團 太子集團 |
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我想洗錢我們都知道就是把原本可能有些涉案或一些來源不明的錢把它洗白但是洗錢它還有一個前置犯罪並不是說今天財產來源不明或怎麼樣就構成犯罪它有一個前置犯罪所以我在想 我想請教一下局長我國的洗錢防治規定很清楚它建立在一個前置犯罪之上 |
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這個前置的犯罪包括詐欺賭博逃漏稅等等的但這個部分你同意嗎我同意我完全同意所以錢罪加洗錢這個是洗錢犯罪成立的一個構成要件這個應該沒有問題這一次我們看到太子集團的資料金管會送給我們本委員會的專利報告裡面有寫得很清楚 |
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108年到現在有10家銀行對太子相關的公司申報了52次的可疑交易那櫃局呢也有發新婦稿澄清洗房處總共做了26份的分析報告送給友軍還有其他的地方嘛對不對這沒問題吧好 數據沒錯 |
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那我想請教你一個最核心的問題這26份報告以及你們所收到的52次的可疑交易你們FIU有或是你們櫃局有沒有去報請檢察官指揮偵辦因為到美方通報之前 |
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诚如刚刚那个委员讲的这个洗钱必须要有一个前置犯罪所以从那个银行端他来申报以后其实我们经过加持分析是逐步的去标定到底是哪些人可疑哪些可疑的资产在什么位置 |
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對 所以這段時間其實是逐步的在標定然後另外一方面就是我們必須要去蒐證他的前置犯罪答案就是沒有 從108年到現在我們經歷過 經歷過了52次由銀行的可疑交易的通報再加上我們的FIU有做了26份的分析報告但是並沒有向檢察官 |
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報請指揮嘛 這個結論應該沒錯嘛在執行前要報請指揮法務部長 部長你當時也是北檢的檢察長嘛那現在的北檢檢察王俊麗也是以前的調查局局長我想請問一下到美方通報之前北檢或是檢察官有沒有分案調查過 |
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這部分美方是沒有通報啦不是啦 這個沒有接到我說美方通報之前我們檢察官有沒有分案過 調查過這部分我沒有資料好 沒關係那因為剛剛那個調查局局長也有說沒有那個報警指揮我想檢察官應該也不會主動簽分出來辦部長我沒有在問你其他的問題啦我只問你第一個要釐清的 |
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我們這麼多次的可疑通報這麼多次的分析報告我國的檢方有沒有啟動過調查我們剛剛得到的結論是調查局沒有暴行指揮第二個我得到的結論也是北檢也沒有分案調查這個是我之前查的也是這樣這個是10月15號有分案嘛不是啦 我在跟你說美方通報之前啦這個是美方通報之前 |
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包委員必須澄清一下本案美方在執行的過程裡面不管是執行前或執行後都沒有通報在美方查辦之前好不好好那我們換個角度講在美方查破這個案子之前我們的調查局以及我國的檢方在經歷過銀行52次的可疑交易通報以及FIU26次的分析報告但是我國的調查局並沒有報請檢察官指揮 |
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檢察官也沒有發案調查 高委員在112年就是剛剛那個黃國昌委員那個提示的那個第二案那我再問你下一個問題我再問你下一個問題我跟你講啦因為這樣的結果是什麼我們人民看到的就是這麼大的事情美國也把它辦得很誇張查扣了這麼驚人巨額的那個電子貨幣查到這麼多的錢的情況下結果 |
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結果我們這邊竟然沒有人發現人民只看到這個點人民不會去管你講了一堆的細節人民只看到原來我國這邊養了那麼大一群人是詐騙集團洗錢集團或什麼集團的人結果美方辦得如火如荼結果我們沒有人知道 |
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人民看到的只是這樣在美方查辦這件事之前請問一下你們有在查辦嗎如果說我們不知道的話我們沒有辦法在兩週之內就跟法院申請裁定那你們知道又沒有辦法就更糟糕因為這是一個跨國的犯罪你曾經嗆過我說作弊不該抓嗎你曾經嗆過我這句話我永遠記在心裡謝謝你的指教但是美方都知道要查 |
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祖賢這些人在台灣設了那麼多那麼多他的買了那麼多資產結果我們這裡你說有啊我們有查我們有追蹤然後 |
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然後呢 然後就沒有啊就是因為有掌握所以本案我們中華民國幾乎是跟國際同步同步在執行的包括美國 英國我以前常聽到的一句話新加坡 香港壞人不抓就沒有壞人啦犯罪我們不查就沒有犯罪嘛黃塵之內一片祥和委員不能是這樣說啦這個就是擁有掌握 國際同步來 我再問一下 |
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不要跟我說國際同步啦 沒有查就沒有查人家查人家抓了那麼多人 扣了那麼多錢然後呢 你做了什麼然後都沒有報警檢察官指揮 你騙我沒幹過檢察官喔 |
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你調查局你立了一個案子你要查你不用找檢察官報指揮嗎外面報紙不知道沒有錯啦你不要在那邊騙我你不要以為我沒當過檢察官嘛你報警指揮到外面曝光這個中間多久我剛問你檢察官有沒有方案調查你們自己跟我說沒有然後現在又說有查 |
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這個案子有兩次的報指揮 112年跟114年調查官在發現一個案子有問題的時候就會去報警檢察官指揮並不是什麼檢察官我跟你講你不用在那邊騙國人啦你要騙國人就算了 你不用在那邊騙我啦你調查官你今天發現有問題就會報警指揮中間有一些跟監監聽搜索等等的都要由檢察官來處理 |
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還是你們兩位離開第一線偵查太久搞不清楚第一線偵查的狀況那就算了好來我們接下來問那我想請問一下 |
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媒體還有警政署的報告都有說太子集團是線上博弈起家的而且在台灣還有設立兩間博弈公司請問一下這段時間以來你們有沒有用賭博罪這個錢罪去查一下太子集團在台灣的金流請問一下局長以及部長 |
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這個北檢有在偵辦中嗎這個北檢那另外那個太子級剛才那一件黃國昌委員那個是屬於 |
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刑事局那個不是啦 我問你們嘛不然雖然那個電話局我想請教一下你們有沒有用賭博去當作一個前置犯罪去調查這個大筆的資金這樣往來有沒有調查的過程裡面除了賭博以外還有就是詐欺這個都有 |
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都有作為我們這個前置在調查不是啦 我是在問一下太子集團過往從美方偵查這個新聞爆出來之前你們有沒有用因為這個太子集團一直有大額的資金進出嘛那你們有沒有用一個譬如說賭博或者是 |
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逃漏稅等等的這個前置犯罪去了解一下這個錢是怎麼來來去去的這個是他交易的可疑的一個情況我們當然是依照這個可疑的前置犯罪來做這個資金的清查不是 你們有沒有查跟不是 不要兜圈子嘛你們有沒有用這個當作前置犯罪去開始去查這有沒有洗錢嘛 |
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我覺得我的問題很簡單又很直接但是每次我聽到的答案都是一直在繞我跟你們說啦也許你會說賭博不是我調查局的業務啊但是我跟你講你們在113年的洗錢防治工作年報裡面你們就寫得很清楚盈利賭博意圖盈利提供賭博場所或聚眾賭博這些聚眾賭博罪等等的你們還曾經寫過說賭博是常見的洗錢前置犯罪所以 |
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還有一個啊 選舉賭盤你們做在查我以前還收過 兩個人對賭而已喔然後你們就移送選舉賭盤那我看到的是什麼因為查去選舉賭盤是用選舉查查的積分所以大家瘋狂的辦結果呢 太子集團這個幾十億的這種你們就當作沒看到 |
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就好像之前我又看到嘛我還記得國民黨在罷免連署案的時候你貴局長 局長你還故意把這個以前偽造文書不會列入選舉查查的核分您還非常好心的把這種連署的偽造文書把它提高到選舉查查的核分讓全國的調查官瘋狂的辦 |
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那你就懂這一套玩法那你為什麼不把這個太子集團的這個賭博你就把它當作是選舉賭盤的案子來大量的合分來讓調查官辦呢所以我跟你講我覺得你們辦案子司法不要看顏色在辦案或看事情在辦案你這樣子搞國家真的不會進步 |
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然後你也不要跟我說 你有做過26份報告或什麼我跟你講 你做了報告之後 後面沒有查那這個不就跟那個股市投顧老師一樣嗎很會講啊 電視上很會講啊跟他買的都賠錢啊那沒有效果嘛 沒有績效那我現在看到的是 你們做了很多的報告開了很多次的會議 26份的分析報告結果沒有好的績效我跟你講 那你知不知道現在詐欺是民怨第一名 |
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如果今天是民怨第一名不要像剛剛的委員拿了一堆假數據來騙說你們做得好好好有效果現在檢察官 警察 調查官一堆被詐欺案件給淹沒搞得排擠到政察其他習案的調查我有多少錢的同事一直來跟我訴苦搞到大家不想幹法官不想幹檢察官了然後國人一直被騙你就一直不停的修正被詐金額的計算方式那看起來當然數據越來越漂亮 |
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騙騙外行人可以啦我今天重點不是在那裡那我也跟你們講過往你們發現很多錢進進出出 |
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那這個就算沒有你找不到其他前置犯罪但是有不明的資金進出跟他公司這個法人的營業的狀況也不符的時候至少有一個點我們可以切入調查是不是有疑似逃稅或漏稅嘛那你調查局就可以下去查有沒有疑似逃稅或漏稅或者是後面牽連的洗錢行為啊 |
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並不是沒有辦法啟動嘛我幹夾關的話我一定會用這個理由來去了解狀況對 我完全同意委員對 所以這個可疑的疑似交易進來以後我們就是要想辦法去找出他的前置犯罪 |
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這委員的邏輯完全跟我們是一樣不是啊 問題就是我懂 但是人民看到的就是沒有結果嘛那反而是美方那邊查到以後我們這邊才開始不是啊 沒有結果我們沒辦法在第一時間扣到這麼多的資產局長 我跟你講大家2008年的時候那時候法務部派我 |
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派我去上一個美國政府他們開一個反洗錢的訓練我記得當時調查局的人跟我一起去出國受訓的人我覺得他們都非常傑出所以後來APG來做我們反洗錢調查的時候其實我們的績效是非常棒的那不能這幾年開始就劣化了啊十幾年而已耶不到20年耶所以我們還是亞洲第一名啊不管啦我們現在是亞洲第一名啊對 但是詐騙案也是第一名啊 |
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沒有 我們不能這樣講喔 這個委員你有數據嗎你有數據說我們詐騙是第一名嗎不是啊 那我跟你講太極集團你怎麼樣我們掌握啦 我們查獲啦我們詐騙是民怨第一名啦不是啊 詐騙是民怨第一名我跟你講好啦 那部長如果你認為詐騙不是民怨第一名或你需要數據你就去問一下所有的人吧說委員您的數據 我們的數據我們不是第一名喔 |
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我們洗錢方式是全球第一名對啦 部長 我一直跟你講詐騙現在是民怨的第一名啦現在狀況是這樣子那你們 你今天如果你要說增值說這數據有問題那你去問一下媒體 你去問一下做民調是不是詐騙就是我們現在民怨的第一名 |
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我們現在那個案件整個查貨量跟整個一個財損量說已經成下降趨勢了這個我們在各個單位的報告都是成這個趨勢我想這是一個事實我們必須要做一個說明你講給人民聽啦好不好部長你講給人民聽啦你講給人民你跟人民說我們國家反詐做得好棒好不好你去講給他們聽那你今天如果覺得很棒 |
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我不知道 反正你高興就好沒有 我沒有高興 我們是說我們有在努力的空間我們一直很努力 所以委內斯道現在檢警調 大家對這個炸雞太子集團這個案子 總共十家銀行的52次通報還有多次的分析 我看到的是完全沒有檢察官介入開始偵辦這個案子 這個是一個不真的事實那後續你要講一大堆有的沒有的 我想沒有任何意義啦 |
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這個就是重點 那人民現在對打詐 我想剛剛我進來之前有記者找我去問他就拿了一個數據說 現在人民對於政府打詐的不滿意度其實剛剛跟我講的數字很高 讓我現在忘記了 數字非常高所以你們如果一直講自己很厲害 做得很好 那隨便你們但是我今天要反映給你們聽的 民意告訴我 就是做得很不好 |
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那美方今天已經查到這樣我們還要美方那邊查到了什麼他們事情爆那麼大我們這裡才第一次的開始分案調查北檢就是這樣的新聞稿啊北檢新聞稿就是這樣寫啊我們那個當過檢察官齁那分案調不是說今天或明天就可以查到就是一定有提前的一個掌握嘛才有辦法你也知道要執行要訴訟要申請法院的一個核准 |
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你現在講的就是在騙全國人民我沒有在騙全國人民那有沒有分他之案 你現在告訴我沒有分他之案的話 檢察官怎麼調查他有沒有辦法辦私案部長你現在在騙人你知不知道你剛剛講說有什麼樣然後才能分案那你告訴我啊 過往美方這個新聞出來之前檢方有沒有分他之案調查這個在10月15號就已經分案了 |
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10月15號是美方事情爆出來之後我今天 我跟你講 你們繼續再跟我兜圈子吧隨便你啦 部長部長 我現在一直問你有沒有他這案北檢的新聞稿寫得非常清楚在得知訊息之後隔天就分案如果你搞不清楚你自己去問啦 |
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為什麼我們的問題很直接那你就要你們永遠打的都很模糊或者是程序上面你們在那邊兜圈子在那邊講那些有的沒有的我真的不懂你們到底在幹什麼我在問你們問題啦我跟你講我今天在凸顯的是 |
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以前這一個很嚴重的問題在台灣已經越來越嚴重了那你今天一直講APG在我們國家的審查確實我們國家表現得不錯但是APG它的審查有非常多不同的項目但是我們自己在這一塊上面沒有做好讓人民不開心 |
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我跟你講啦我在駕訓班我在監理站的考試考100分不代表我上路開車就開得好嘛所以重點還是你要打出效果讓人民有感啊而不是說國際反洗錢組織APG來我們這邊經過他們的調查我們的反洗錢非常棒那你再去問問看世界上面金融管理你覺得我們管理的真的像你說的非常棒嗎我想你會講大家可能也不是那麼的相信啦好 那 |
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所以我想請教一下部長那我國被害人人數你今天報告說你會積極釐清我國被害人人數那請問這部分你做了什麼這部分那個是現在編寫在偵查偵辦中那這部分偵查的要從整個偵查的一個結果去做一個釐清看看我們國內到底有多少的被害人以及扣押的財產是不是我們被害人本國被害人的一個財產 |
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我想這個檢察官的一個調查的也是範圍的之內很多時候會有很多隱性的被害人這個我能夠理解啦但是我要提一個就是因為這個案子太子集團這個案子其實不只說被害人眾多不單單台灣人啦其實被害人非常的多那其實這樣子也讓我們國家顏面受損 |
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真的顏面會受損原來他們的詐欺所得是在台灣這邊購置豪宅而且多年下來還活得很快樂很開心我們看到的是這個所以我們今天看到的一個客觀的事實是什麼是金融機關的通報義務有沒有做到有他做了52字的STR的報告有他有調查局的分析報告有沒有做到有你們的IFI有做了26份的報告這個也有但是檢察官的分案啟動 |
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卻是在美國開始有動作之後我們這裡才開始動這個就是我們這邊的一個大問題你不要跟我講你們要掌握多少情資怎麼樣檢方沒有分他治案之前檢察官不能自己下去調查這個是我們知道的最基本所以不要說這個知道後就分案這都騙人的啦調查官知道這個案子像這種重大的金融案件調查官一定會先找檢察官報請指揮分他治案加以調查 |
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這是全國一致的程序如果沒有做到這個就不要在那邊跟我講我們掌握了多少那個都是在騙國人而已都是在利用所謂的偵查不公開這幾個字之下然後我們好像我們做錯事大家都不會知道你們永遠用偵查不公開來跟我們搪塞一些事但是我看到的是 |
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今天調查官如果知道這種重大案件絕對是報請檢察官指揮檢察官分他字案開始調查如果有這個他字案你可以把他字案的時間給我看案號給我看那我就知道到底有還是沒有而不是在這邊講一句說我們有掌握情資我們有開始查但是沒有分案那這個其實是騙不了我們那剛剛講那幾個如果你們認為說 |
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你們都有努力做了依照現役制度的努力做那表示我國的洗錢房子還有盲點存在對不對至少這個不能否認嘛還有盲點存在嘛所以在我們相關調查人員在依據法律程序在做完之後還是有一些我們查不到或不知道或國外已經查了我們都不知道那表示我們有盲點存在所以我在這邊要求兩件事第一個部長你要讀同高檢署麻煩你們針對調查局這六年來 |
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的異常通報還有這些金融情報的流程是要去進行一下行政調查看一下這些有被異常通報的這些案子有沒有值得去了解一下背後是什麼狀況這可以做到嗎 部長 |
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因為那個台高監署事實上在11月10號有召集相關的一些部會來做一個交易就是做一個工作小組另外各自的全管我們是一個精進的一個好那我跟部長說麻煩你們就這6年來有比較異常通報的案例再拿出來審查一下好不好 |
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好 這麻煩你們然後第二個三個月內你們提出洗人防治制度有沒有具體的具體修正方向就是說因為有多家金融機構長時間而且反覆通報的這些案例這種高風險的案例的時候你們那個洗房辦那個處FIU是不是可以就強制啟動偵查或報警檢察官的這個啟動調查這個門檻你們稍微幫我們 |
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研究一下然後給我一個具體修正的方向好不好麻煩一下後面這兩個是三億的建議再麻煩你們做到謝謝兩位麻煩那個法務部跟調查局要依照吳委員的指示提供相關的資料好謝謝 |