| IVOD_ID |
165543 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165543 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-18T15:48:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-18T16:04:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/15ce70573aea8c156b848a307444c58c02704d746941b03703a347d547cf20ed2b4aab974ddd87285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:48:33 - 16:04:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，針對第11屆第1會期第9次會議報告事項第33案委員丁學忠等19人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條條文修正草案」院會所作之決定提出復議。是否有當？請公決案等16案。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（11月18日上午）。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（11月18日下午）。四、11月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席各位列席官員各位本院的同仁大家好主席有請行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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謝謝 嚴委員好 院長好院長我今天交通組的質詢我一樣要來關心我們台中市的重要交通建設台中高鐵特區未來的交通問題高鐵漁樂城在我們經常我們出入高鐵車站台中站一定會看到一個很 |
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一個非常大型的一個開發案總投資金額超過260億那基地面積超過15公頃那周邊的交通一定是無法負荷那之前我們已經提到就是國道1號增設烏日交流道或者是優化台氣四線高鐵站閘道讓進入高鐵站區跟進到高鐵漁樂城的車輛可以分流那可不可以請院長來說明一下這個進度目前 |
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是偵測閘道的問題跟現在整個交通的規劃在標準上好像有必要進行相關的討論那細節我請部長來做說好 請部長 |
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跟委員報告 兩個議題一個是國道一號的閘道的部分我們鐵道局已經有補助給地方政府也就是台中市政府97萬的預算讓他去做這方面的研究跟初步的評估目前需要台中市政府提供他們的參數因為我那天有去那邊現場看台中市政府是說他們有規劃一條路線但那個參數還沒有給我們的高工局看過所以我們請他提供給我們高工局來看不過那個地方也跟委員報告 |
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我們那段的高速公路是非常的彎那個彎道是非常的彎所以它有高低差建設交流道其實會有一定的技術上面的難度不過我們還是有撥預算請台中市政府先做初步的評估這個部分已經在做了 |
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那另外針對這個74號閘道以外還有就是未來整個的輸運的方式我們其實鐵道局也有協助請這個開發商這邊提供一筆七八百萬的預算我印象中是七百多萬的預算給台中市政府做整體的評估那其中也會包含了74號的閘道的部分那這個部分我們也還在討論當中 |
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依照我們現在有的資料就是說這個可能的區位國道1號增設烏日交流道的部分它已經出來了區位已經出來但是它的那個參數還沒有提供給我們的高速公路局好 那它現在已經是初步方案就是說已經有了那等它會送給我們交通部資料期末報告做好之後會送到交通部過來再請交通部來補助它的這些 |
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協助他做一個可行性研究這個部分這個要請交通部來大家參數要對齊那另外74線因為我們經常進出台中高鐵站你都知道在那個74號接高鐵的時候他有一個斷面我們下去本來雙車道變成單一車道所以他留一個斷面就是當初在設計的時候就有保留 |
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可能從那邊就可以直接銜接到這個我們的高鐵二樓的下車區也就是這張圖上面的紅色這條線這條線所以當初就已經有預留了已經有預留那這個部分已經目前我有詢問台中市政府他的進度 |
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他說這個部分因為全責分工還需要公路局的釐清所以相關的法規儀式的部分要解釋的部分他們已經在今年的7月23號發函給公路局在等待公路局的回覆 |
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所以這個要請部長回去要趕快把這個事情督促一下各位有報告我們都知道那裡有一條本來要延伸出來的啦但是我們整個高鐵那邊的整個計畫已經結束了高鐵台中站的計畫已經結束了那也就是說下面的道路現在的尾管其實是台中市政府所以這個部分我們有建議台中市政府由他們來提出這個可行性評估那我們來做評估部長你說的是高鐵東路拓寬啦 |
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那我講的是我們閘道要下來當然有一個預留斷面有一個斷面你每天從那邊進出你去看就是保留一個斷面那個斷面就是未來要銜接到高鐵二樓的乘客下車區那個部分這個部分我在這邊提醒一下 |
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那我想我去年的10月18號一樣的在這邊質詢的時候也有問到高鐵娛樂城的事情當時也要求院長跟部長就是說你們已經成立了鐵道局成立了一個專案小組那我們希望專案小組他在邀請台中市府或高鐵公司在召開這個會議的時候也可以通知我們辦公室 |
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或者是說會後將這些會議紀錄會議的一個一個紀錄來通知我們但是兩位都說好可是這一年已經過去了一年過了總共開了幾次會報告委員應該是開了兩三次會了四次啦 已經開四百會了 |
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那開始是我們沒有接獲任何一次的通知然後也沒有接獲任何這個會議後的一些報告的資料所以我想再一次的請部長跟院長是說今年你就答應我因為我們希望可以 |
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即時的了解整個進度那你們也承諾了也答應我但是並沒有通知然後也沒有補充資料所以我想在這邊再提醒一下可不可以從這一刻開始為會後未來任何關於我們高鐵特區的這樣子的一個整個道路也好或者是閘道整個交通的部分未來的會議一樣的來通知本席辦公室好不好可以嗎 |
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報告委員這個沒有問題啦那另外就是包含您剛說的四次會議還有就是江副院長他們有在那邊考察過一次那個相關的資料考察兩次啦兩次我們都了解然後再請教就是說我們那個 |
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鐵道局補助了97萬給台中市府然後去做這個新增閘道連接高鐵特區的初步規劃依照目前的了解說他已經接近期末報告了快要完成完成之後就會送給交通部那這個部分我要請教的是直接請問我們院長跟部長 |
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我們高鐵娛樂城這個開發案他的這樣子的一個叫做實質他的本質是什麼高鐵娛樂城開發案的本質 |
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軌道交通運輸它主要除了本身路線的營運之外重點它的物業管理它的區域開發都是在支撐高鐵整個不僅是本身財務也是地方發展重要的依據那受益者是誰受益者是大眾啊大眾嘛那除了大眾之外直接受益的是誰 |
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高鐵會如果有實際的收益的話就鐵道局這個是鐵道局的促參案所以直接受益者就是我們鐵道局是我們交通部所以關於不管是烏日閘道烏日交流道的一個一個設置還有我們這個新設閘道要銜接高鐵下車區還有74號的一個優化所有的這些交通問題都必須要仰賴交通部我們行政院的協助烏日區我們有 |
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整個台中市市政府全力的投入來協助我們還有一個部長也是來自於我們烏日保定做議員的時候就是我們五年我們自己在地的議員對不對寬容你來自於烏日所以我們烏日未來的一個包含現在高鐵特區再加上我們鐵路高架我接下來要請教就是鐵路的部分我們看一下這個部分大慶到烏日大慶大慶到烏日站高架 |
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這我們說幾年了從當時我們部長保定在那裡做議員2010年到現在這個案子我們一直在討論 |
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包括上面看到的總經費還有自償率還有中央跟地方各自負擔的部分討論了好多次從五十三億一直到八十三億大家都知道啦這個行為要做到五十我們這裡有部長來自於烏日還有我們寬仁也是來自於烏日市政府也是全力的要來協助這個事情 |
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但是就等待我們這個中央就是我們交通部但是來來回回包括海線雙軌高架總共這樣子退回退建退了5次 |
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退了五次所以要請教部長到底我們這個大慶高架報告委員這是我當初我在當議員的時候爭取的這個政見之一啦我當然很努力想要實現它但我了解之後啊之所以會推薦是因為我們鐵道局這邊或者是台鐵公司這邊我們的題目都已經公布了答案也公布了 |
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地方政府必須照那個題目跟答案下去寫如果可以寫就不會推薦我們不斷在跟地方政府在溝通這個議題坦白講就是他們希望這個錢的分配的議題能夠對台中市政府有利一些不過我們這個有一定的法規在走 |
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所以鐵道局必然是用我們的原本的答案在走所以我們也希望台中市政府可以努力一些這並不是中央在拖如果台中市政府願意用中央所規範的分配比例我想這個速度會相當的快 |
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那你可以指導他 你可以要求他嘛 對不對我們在推薦的過程當中 來回的過程當中都有指導 也有建議希望在你臨來 我們可以看得到看得到大慶 這個烏日大慶戰它可以啟動 正式啟動沒有錯啊 對啊大家都在等 都在看有一個部長來自於烏日 但是烏日鐵路高架到現在 |
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文鋒未動 再加上整個海線崩潰高架海中市政府如果願意配合的話速度會非常快當然配合 一定全力配合前幾次的推薦就是沒有配合所以才會推薦其實整個流程看下來大家都知道現在是問題出在哪裡重點到底問題出在哪裡 |
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我們中央有沒有協助有沒有協助好那我希望在我們未來不要太久的時間我們這一屆任期能夠把這事情把它促成讓台中市有一個完整的鐵路建設再加上剛剛我們前一位陳超明委員從海線這個苗栗一直 |
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一直南下到台中到台中海線雙軌高架這整個鐵路計畫也一樣延宕到現在完全沒有進度我剛剛講了已經退建退了五次所以我要請教部長到底海線雙軌高架什麼時候可以來協助他 |
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海線的雙軌高價化這個當時十幾年在爭取可行性研究的時候是我那個時候當議員去拜託蔡其昌委員一起來爭取的所以這一段我也很有使命感希望他可以趕快完成那也跟委員報告目前雙軌化的部分已經在環評已經在環評當中但是高價化的部分跟上一個議題一樣就是台中市政府對於這個分攤的經費有意見沒有辦法以 |
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中央給的答案來答覆的時候這個部分就會比較慢那為了要讓速度可以加快一點我們把雙軌跟高架會分開走雙軌的部分我們繼續走那高架的部分等台中市政府這邊答應了之後我們再來走 |
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好 請你時間要趕快 要做到不做到台中市政府配合都很快就做了我補充一句這個現在不只是交通部是國發會要求台中市政府報出一個修正計畫那台中市政府還沒有報出也請委員能夠去協助請台中市政府能夠儘快的報出修正計畫我們就進行討論後續的進度就可以往前走 |
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好 接下來再請教關於這個提高六期環保車的營運年限的部分因為我們接獲大客車整體產業工會的一個陳情在民眾用車安全無虞同時政府又希望遊覽車業者加速 太舊換新但是現行的法規都已經不合時宜了有兩大訴求我們希望院長跟部長一起來推動第一點就是因為最新的六期環保新車希望將新車的營運年限再提高五年 |
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再提高5年不然的話跟舊車的連線一樣就沒有誘因能夠讓這些業者跟司機來進行汰換第二點就是關於修法的問題因為未滿15年的老車購換新車的貨物稅可以希望可以直接這個免徵貨物稅為什麼要這樣因為目前現行的法規獎勵貨物稅是40萬對不對是40萬那因為現在通膨的問題還有這些物價新車的價位越來越高 |
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越來越高所以基本上5%的貨物稅已經來到八九十萬了到八九十萬了原本我們補助的四十萬現在已經八九十萬了所以說我們希望說貨物稅十二之六條所規定的太舊換新的條件可以太舊換新的這些車輛必須要修補因為符合上面規定的九十五年以前出廠的車輛二十年現在一一四九十五已經二十年了所以這些車輛已經是數量非常非常的少 |
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所以如果法規還是沒有去調整那符合這樣子的一個資格是免徵的資格是很少的所以我在這邊就是說要跟院長跟部長說明包含了車體結構組裝各式零件還有駕駛人員還有業者維修保養車輛檢驗等等這些涉及的層面非常的廣 |
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所有的從業人員人數也很多背後都是非常辛苦的家庭所以再加上要許多載運乘客的相關規定導致我們現在現有的舊車能夠承載的這些客源越來越少越來越少所以市場持續的萎縮影響到的是數以萬計的從業人員跟家庭免徵貨物稅然後增加購買新車的誘因可以照顧到這些從業人員 |
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那也可以減輕他們的負擔更是可以大大提升我們乘車的安全所以這個部分我希望說院長跟部長來趕緊召開會議來研擬這個事情好不好 |
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交通部這除了交通部的業務之外應該有環境部相關甚至貨物稅也要請財政部來表達意見那交通部把這個費整一下院長因為這個涉及的層面也非常的廣還要剛剛你提到跨部會的問題需要溝通協調所以你不必在現在來回覆我但是希望我們回去之後就召開這樣子專案會議然後請部長跟這個部會之間來做一個溝通協調 |
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好 謝謝閻寬恆委員指定謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝 |