| IVOD_ID |
165518 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165518 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-17T12:06:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-17T12:19:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ff1e125e807f56abc7b4ad8b8d16b015bfb6dfa65ed0fc1ddbd0c7f9f51010c48f6a9c70dc4894db5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:06:20 - 12:19:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
(一)委員黃健豪等16人、委員陳超明等16人、委員蘇清泉等17人、委員呂玉玲等16人及委員柯志恩等16人擬具「勞工保險條例第六十三條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員陳瑩等19人擬具「勞工保險條例第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員許宇甄等19人、委員林國成等32人、委員王育敏等20人、委員蔡其昌等19人、委員羅廷瑋等16人、委員蔡易餘等18人、委員王美惠等17人、委員徐欣瑩等22人、委員翁曉玲等19人、委員楊曜等25人及委員王鴻薇等22人擬具「勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「勞工保險條例第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員李昆澤等25人及委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「勞工保險條例第六十九條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員廖先翔等18人擬具「勞工保險條例第十九條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員葉元之等21人、委員何欣純等17人及委員陳超明等16人擬具「勞工保險條例第五十八條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員陳秀寳等21人擬具「勞工保險條例部分條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「勞工保險條例第七十四條之二條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員林倩綺等32人及委員傅崐萁等19人擬具「勞工保險條例第五十九條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)委員陳瑩等19人擬具「勞工保險條例第六條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員李昆澤等19人擬具「勞工保險條例第二十九條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一)委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條及第二十七條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員涂權吉等17人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員許宇甄等18人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員翁曉玲等22人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(五)委員蘇清泉等18人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(八)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員柯志恩等18人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十)委員王育敏等17人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條、第二十七條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(十一)委員楊瓊瓔等27人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
(十二)委員郭國文等19人擬具「就業服務法第二十四條及第二十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
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請勞動部長跟勞保局白局長請紅部長 白局長 謝謝村委員好部長好我們今天主要針對這個災保法裡面申請職災失能年金的勞工朋友以及繼續投保勞保的權益來做討論那目前每年核定職災失能的給付件數有多少 |
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我們確認一下數字2000多2189件我們花了快一分鐘 |
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2385件2385好你要還我一點時間那個我統計了這個那我們看一下 |
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我統計了這個113年7月份到114年6月份核定件數大約是1595件我想請教一下部長你們這個核定率的公式是到底是怎麼樣因為我檢查了一下你們所有的核定率都破百職業傷害換算是111%職業病是162% |
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是這邊是你們的核定計算是怎麼樣因為104年開始10年都是這樣子我是有點看不太明白 |
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委員好謝謝委員這邊指教這邊的核定件數包含核定幾副跟不幾副那上面如果是屬於幾副的話是職災案件你講大聲一點我們的核定件數包含核定是職災的案件跟核定不是職災的案件所以那個就是那所以那個可是 |
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所以就是你們收件就是送件總共的這個送件的申請的案有多少的意思嗎是 跟委員這邊做報告 陳儒委員這邊所提的如果以總件數這邊總計27098件那職災的案件就是24190件那其中就是27098裡面扣掉24190裡面是核定不給付職災的案件所以這邊的核定率是89.27% |
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好你們這樣寫很容易讓人家看不懂因為我們不通過就不通過了很少有合定就是會講合定 |
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我想我們可以在相關的表格把核定數怎麼去計算可以再做一個附註啦因為就是它等於是這個有幾副跟沒幾副有認定跟沒認定的部分其實它都把它包含在核定數裡面就算是母數你們要寫清楚一點不然就看起來很怪啦是我們在呈現的方式上可以再加註一下這個核定數的意思到底這件職業災害有沒有被核定 |
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你說有每一件都有有核定不通過跟核定有通過但是我們通常很少會這樣講就是核定確認你是什麼處置的那我們要申請經費也是有沒有核定了 |
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通過都是大部分是這樣嘛因為我不知道這個有沒有什麼你們所謂的勞動專業術語在裡面我是不知道但是我認為我們在這個表格呈現的幅度上面我覺得我們可以把它呈現得更清楚那個部長在當委員的時候我不曉得你們有沒有會一下就看明白還是怎麼樣 |
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好就這個提醒一下那我再請教就是說那個職災失能給付勤領職災年金的比例大概是多少你們有統計嗎跟委員做報告如果以今年的前9個月來講的話我們的年金勤領的比例大概是76%76%好 |
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那因為這個職貸失能年金他是分為這個完全失能嚴重失能跟這個部分失能那完全失能及嚴重失能都已經到喪失全部工作能力那也因此可以至少領到七成五成到七成及五成的這個月頭保薪資本期要關切的是 |
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損失五成的工作能力但是只能勤領兩成的月頭保薪資那這一群部分失能的勞工朋友每年大概多少人然後佔領佔勤領職災年金的比例是多少該委員這邊做報告目前勤領部分失能年金的話目前還有在續領的是22人就22人而已嗎那沒有沒有很多 |
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因為說到這邊我大概其他的人可能他選擇領一次那就是98年之前98以後他可以選擇如果說他的失能程度在我們的失能年金裡面有分完全失能嚴重失能跟部分失能98年是個分水嶺對好那說到這好 |
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因為說到這邊我特別回想就是說在當年我們在說災保法條文討論到最後只剩下最後一個爭議點就是職災勞工如果有其他社會保險權益是不是會受影響而不能請領 |
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當時本席擔任召委那時候我們有特別要堅持說一定不能受到影響否則就需要再協商那還好當時也謝謝勞動部有從善如流那到今天就是說他們的這個勞健保權益勞工的勞健保權益都還在那也看到勞保局有特別強調這群勤領20%的部分失能年金者將來都還可以領到這個勞保 |
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的這個老年年金那局長是不是當時您是保險司的司長相信這些都記憶猶新啦我應該都沒有講錯啦好那但是我同時我也發現在債保法的58條規定被保險人或者其受益人因為不同保險事故同時請領本保險或其他社會保險年金及副食 |
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本保险年金给付金额因考量被保险人或其受益人的勤领年金给付数目金额总类及其他生活保障因素予以减额调整减额调整比率50%为上限 |
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那這個問題在於就說你們的這個職災保險的QA解釋請領執職災保險失能年金與勞保老年年金給付的合計金額如果超過職災保險失能年金所採的平均月投保薪資數額本局將依規定自其原領職災保險失能年金辦理扣減那我們從這個 |
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裡面的這個文字義來看喔到底你們是給人家扣多少是到底到底是扣多少因為如果如果說 |
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老保老年年金他本來可以領到這個月頭保薪資的50%那他勢必就是超過這個職災失能年金的20%所以最後他到底可以領到這個合併的年金是多少 |
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是跟委員做報告也非常謝謝委員當初在災保法那時候立法的時候我們除了擴大家保的一個對象那針對己父部分也從保障勞工的權益部分做了一些突破所以像委員剛才提到在災保法58條裡面針對如果被保險人他發生不同的保險事故像剛才提的他可能領了職災的失能年金那之後老年的時候他一樣可以領老年年金那這兩份年金加起來的金額 |
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不要高於他在栽保這一部分的投保薪資平均投保薪資舉例來說如果以植栽部分他領的是一個兩萬塊那在那個老年年金部分假設加起來是三萬塊那這樣兩萬加三萬就會變成是五萬塊可是他的栽保部分的平均投保薪資也許是四萬五那我們就會做那個差額部分就不給因為如果我們 |
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用一個薪水就是說這個薪水三萬塊的來計算的話那像這樣子失能的部分兩成他領六千嘛那這個老闆年金的部分他要領一萬五加起來是兩萬一但是你們 |
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好像就直接是就給人家扣一半那個失能那個失能兩成的部分你們就直接扣一半如果他的災保的投保薪資沒有超過剛才的兩萬一那在領老年的時候我們不會扣他災保的錢你確定不會扣嗎不會那委員剛才提到的那個個案是不是有什麼特殊的狀況是不是可以容我們會後可以跟委員這邊做請教因為他看起來是有些失能的就你們都直接把人家扣掉 |
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委員是不是可以容這一部分就像剛剛講原則部分我們去做一個處理那如果個案部分的個案狀況我們來了解我想是這樣喔我是特別想要強調就是說可以領執在失能年金20%的勞工朋友他的工作能力損失至少超過50% |
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所以即使他今天重回職場了他的這個投保薪資可能比受傷錢還低那幾年過去了就算這個平均月投保薪資是採計最高5年的平均可以領的這個老年年金還是比這個不發生職災當時可以領的少了很多然後你們 |
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如果再扣這個職災失能年金的額度這樣是不是一種變相對於這個職災勞工的懲罰因為就是你們就扣了 |
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因為原則是這樣但是實際上面的操作當然個案部分我想請委員再讓我們了解一下個案那我請我們勞保局來跟委員辦公室來了解一下這個實際的個案狀況是怎麼樣因為其實不管他的這個勞保局 |
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他們的這個投保薪資是多少本席是認為就是說在這個職災失能年金的部分其實一毛錢都不該扣那這個部分我要請你們特別去研議不管你們那個換算那個薪水是多少 |
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那到底有沒有超過怎麼樣的總額其實本席都認為那個都不應該扣那因為同樣的道理這個職災傷病給付每年都超過五萬五千人這裡面其實也有很多我們的原住民的勞工朋友還有以及部長一直非常關心的這個外籍的勞工朋友們所以他們的職災其實至少高於全產業的四成 |
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那所以尤其是這幾年外籍的這個勞工朋友他們是更高的那我想說我們都很關心不論是種族國籍年齡性別這麼多的勞工朋友是不是都有回到職場以及回去以後投保薪資到底有沒有受影響所以這個部分我也特別提出來那針對剛剛特別講的這個職債私人年金的部分那我希望你們可以重新來研議 |
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我們來評估一下好不好就是相關的做法那我覺得可能有需要我們也需要更多的個案然後我們透過這些個案來檢視他的實際的狀況然後來來看看我們的原則是不是要來做一些調整好謝謝謝謝那你們是大概一個月可以兩個月好不好兩個月好謝謝好謝謝陳盈委員發言接下來請賴 |