| IVOD_ID |
165455 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165455 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:32:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:43:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facebe96faf3b35ee31163fe2012470c7542e2b38c9d4fe08b0f19bde232eb5524465ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:32:44 - 12:43:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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那我先問你一個問題啦您覺得那個時候成立雲嘉南復原的前進指揮所的時間您認為會不會太慢啊我跟文說明齁 就災害防救法 |
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在搶災救災的時候那有一個前進指揮所那我們這個前進指揮所是災後復原我知道問題是那個時候因為有很多長輩啊說要去那個掛帆布啊那時候總統去看就說要自己爬什麼的其實那個時候他們就已經有這個需求了嘛 |
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然後一直到後來的時候才開始說要卓院長才說要加速然後才說要媒合營建廠商這個是災後復原我知道我現在講的就是災後復原我現在就是在講災後復原譬如說屋頂被吹走災後復原一定是災後才去復原所以你認為你認為隔了一個月去復原的時間在主委的專業認定你覺得是剛剛好的 |
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好沒關係啦你就跟那些災民就大家知道一下政府的態度嘛你覺得這個時間是剛剛好的所以大家沒有屋頂你就自己想辦法去掛帆布這個都是媒體報導不一定是真實所以媒體你是講哪一個媒體報導不真實哪一件事情不真實這個有很多報導是不真實現在大家在檢討那個災後復原的速度 |
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當然搶災優先所以最好是能夠同時搶災同時復原可是如果沒有辦法的話我們去成立災後復原指揮所到10月底結束已經媒合了很多廠商進去人家風災是7月多發生的後來本來復原本來就是後來不要歪樓我講的是速度我講的是實情 |
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對啊不是你講十月底我講的是七月的事你跟我講到十月因為七月發生的七月發生的風災七月發生的風災你跟我說十月完成很多那你就不夠那個苦民所苦啊 |
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對於災民而言他當然希望速度越快越好我沒有問你十月底嘛我現在問你七月之後要多久成立復原指揮所嘛那是搶災嘛我現在講是復原當然嘛 但是時間嘛你到底是 |
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不會太慢所以一個月成立不會太慢我們是從前復原不是前進不是因為第一個因為我看你的報告你其中有個業務你也要負責比如說他屋頂如果被吹走了然後你們要幫他復原嘛煤河嘛這也是你的業務之一嘛對不對沒錯吧 |
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這個我們下去沒和這個屋頂受損的然後營造廠商去來修繕所以當然這個速度當然是第一個嘛但沒關係我們就看你的態度我覺得太慢但你如果你覺得OK的我到10月底完成那麼多件已經覺得很滿意了我是覺得速度太慢但是因為您是主委所以我就 |
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那個您講什麼大家看在眼裡啦但我想問一下台南市因為最近又有其他颱風鳳凰颱風來我發現很多台南市的災民很緊張因為他們到現在屋頂都還沒有恢復還是蓋帆布然後根據數據這個說詞也太誇張了等一下我還沒有講完不用緊張那根據那個數據顯示大概台南市講法是說當時是有四萬七千 |
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八百戶是有那個屋頂需要修繕那現在已經完成九成了那因為各種原因所以到目前為止還沒有還沒有修繕完畢那主委你有掌握那個原因是什麼嗎 |
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沒有住在那裡有的是倉庫 領了未住金他暫時不需要居住有的是產權的問題我們每一個區公所一戶一戶去詢問你有沒有需要媒合修繕你如果不需要就簽名整個調查的清清楚楚所以剩下按照你的說法是那一層現在沒有修繕的是因為他有簽結書各種原因嘛有各種原因但我也是有看到並不是政府不盡力 |
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但我也是有看到災民就是在媒體上面講說你又說媒體媒體能夠是真實的嗎百分之百真實的嗎那你去跟NC檢舉我跟你講說我們每一戶都去問過了那就是有災民就是說沒有我們就每一戶都去問過了他可能有原因但你就是要去跟他談你不是說你簽結你有住在這邊我們就是每一戶都去問他 |
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那我問你那我問你一種狀況如果他就是住在那邊但他不知道什麼原因因為我有看到一些原因啊他什麼長輩生病不宜動工啊或者是他要指定工班啊像類似這種就是拖延嘛可是在這種情況之下工程會是允許的嗎就是說好那你說不要就不要就讓他這樣然後等到下一次風再來屋頂整個被吹走你們是允許這樣的狀態嗎不是允許不允許這個是修繕 |
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是契約民間的契約關係你是民宅然後有一個公班要來做政府不能強迫你說一定要給那個公班做啊我知道不能強迫但是在溝通上面不是說我覺得溝通上不是講說他哪一些原因然後就好好好你簽了那到時候出事你自己負責不是用這種態度而是說要跟他講清楚說現在極端氣候常常會有 |
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一些狀況 要勸說他趕快 勸說他趕快弄否則的話 沒有人料得到11月還會有提供來台南市政府的區公所的員工非常辛苦 每一戶都去問但是還是要去溝通啦因為到目前為止7月到現在還有一層那有一些是還有住在那邊的那我覺得還是要去溝通啦我覺得還是要去溝通 不是說你簽的戒指書不理你這樣子 |
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然後再來喔那個竹瑞寧是監管那個水利署嘛我剛剛有看你對媒體的發言啦你說水利署非常認真到昨天晚上已經加速完工去把那個那個村長說是開口啦水利署說不是開口啦那個叫做堤防沒有蓋到那邊啦本來就沒有堤防啦但不管怎麼樣那邊有個洞是事實嘛對吧然後水也是從那個地方溢流過來的嘛 |
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那村長在7月 9月以及11月10號都有跟水利署說那個洞可能有危險因為蘇郡河道跟河床是平行的水可能會從那邊過來 |
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結果11月10號那時候水利署去會刊跟村長說村長你放心啦不會有問題就最後真的有問題但我不知道主委你的態度是什麼因為到目前為止你是講水利署很認真我沒有說他們不認真他們確實很認真昨天晚上把它處理好但問題是淹水是來不及啦已經淹了啦你淹完之後才處理好有什麼用那這件事情主委怎麼看 |
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這個馬太安溪的北側鳳林跟萬種這個地形都不用再解釋我現在是講說因為現在關鍵是就是跟地形有關我現在講的是那個洞沒有補那裡也沒有洞因為地形比較高堤防沒有坐到那一邊因為右邊就比較高對 我剛剛有講現在河床很高河床跟堤防一樣高所以雨多一點任何一個地方都會溢流 |
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所以你認為說水利署所以目前最最要緊的就趕快紓進而且大量長期的紓進我現在在講說我現在是在講說到底這個事情水利署有沒有責任水利署長也有道歉了跟村長道歉畫面大家都看到你也不會講說那也是新聞也是錯的吧 |
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然後村長也不但提醒說那邊有個洞不管是堤防沒做好那邊也好改天我請委員到現場看一看你就知道當場地形是怎麼樣嘛不是不是我現在不管地形嘛那你本來就比較高的地方嘛那水利署長道歉的原因是什麼一定跟地形有關嘛水利署長道歉的原因是什麼 |
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那水域署長就要你的態度就好啦用你的方式去嗆村長就好啦那你就去嗆村長啊你跟村長道歉幹嘛那你為什麼要跟村長道歉村長一直提醒說這個地方要補他沒有補所以他道歉那主委你認為沒問題啊還要叫村長去看地形啊用這種高傲的態度去嗆村長就好那水域署長為什麼要道歉嘛那今天水域署長道歉代表一定是有一些因做沒做的嘛 |
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那但是我看到主委態度是說水利署很認真我也認為很認真我們現在講的是事前的預防的部分嘛你的態度是什麼嘛那你的態度是什麼嘛就是用嗆的所以你要去看那個地區才知道嘛那水利署長道歉的原因是什麼那水利署長道歉的原因是什麼 |
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他整個地方淹水他是主管機關第一淹到一戶他就要道歉淹到兩戶他就要道歉所以他道歉不是因為他因作為作是因為只要有淹水他就道歉 |
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548.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
不是因作為作好不好所以他是因為有淹水就要道歉是不是標準就是有淹水水浴場就會道歉讓大家民眾受苦了他去說他要道歉的原因是因為是因為有人受苦所以道歉是這樣嗎整個淹水啊跟地形跟狀況都有關我不接受你這種 |
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549.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
570.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我知道有關啊我們現在講的是我們現在講的是說到底有沒有應做未做的事情嗎你是去扯那些幹嘛略行當然都有關啊但是如果把那個缺口就是堤防沒做好部分如果可以補齊的話會不會不造成淹水右邊比較高他本來不需要做堤防的啊我沒有說不做堤防你一直問東答西你一直問東答西 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
574.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
599.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我也多尊重委員的發言那葉委員時間是6分鐘也超過3分鐘也將近9分鐘那我也多尊重委員的發言內容我要是請工程會將相關地形的這個問題啊來具體的來向葉委員做報告再請相關的官員來跟葉委員做個報告也請這個在委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
602.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
626.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
答詢或者是質詢必須要尊重對方那今天這個時間我想也給葉委員充分的時間了我也請工程會來將相關的這個地形以及相關葉委員認為有爭議的地方必須清楚的來做說明會後來做清楚的說明那葉委員是否可以謝謝主席謝謝葉委員質詢完畢 |