| IVOD_ID |
165441 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165441 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:46:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:54:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face42ea30c5b16887bdfa47f864c5dfb45a0834c22697b3aa2a99bb5a3cc09873825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:46:58 - 12:54:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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請財政部莊部長跟經濟部的何次長好來請莊部長何次長委員好 |
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兩位好 何次長是有去美國參加關稅談判的今天最重磅的消息是剛剛傳出來美國媒體說我們在關稅談判裡面對美國的擴大投資是3500億到5500億美金就是介在日本跟日本跟南韓之間大概是多少錢 |
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因為還沒有簽訂而且去參加嘛對不對外國的媒體都提出來了這整個金額還要再經過最後一個總結會議去做確認我想這應該是已經進到最後階段了 |
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那後續如果有進一步消息我想我們那個行政院談判辦公室會現在這裡面有幾個很重要的啦幾個很重要的第一個賴清德總統一直在講說我們擴大投資的同時我們要換回來兩個就是二十加N這個事情不能再疊加了 |
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第二個就是232條款對半導體我們這些資訊業的這個要有一個最惠國的優惠這個要去力爭好不好第二個也很重要你看南韓光是一個3500億他們總統李在平都直接講了本來美國要求他說你馬上要給我錢 |
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他說我要破產了我的存體才4100億啊你現在要我投資3500億我沒有辦法那麼台灣老實講要超過3500億也是一個很大的一個負擔目前看起來這個方案應該就是鄭麗欽講的那個台灣模式嘛對嘛 沒有錯嘛就是我們的半導體產業園區過去然後 |
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產業自己過去 可是由政府來做擔保這包緊了 是那這個老蔣 我一直在提醒會不會造成護國神山變成半屏山我們的產業過去之後 半導體過去之後到底有多少人才會被帶走多少先進的技術會被帶走會不會空洞化這個我們自己要注意 好不好是 要去努力好 來 接下來來談大家很關心的一萬年的這個普化一萬年的問題 |
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那個部長我看了一下這一次是普花一萬在一百一十二年的時候有普花了六千塊錢那前五天的登記是四百五十九萬七千人我就看了這一次的這個登記人數差不多前五天登記也是四百五十六萬五千人所以不一定如果照去年照上次一二年的話一二年後來沒有去領的人是零點三趴啦 |
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沒錯0.3% 領取率99.7%登記的人前5天這麼近所以後來應該沒有領的人大概也是0.3%左右吧當然這個是112年那個時候的經驗大概7萬人所以表示普發現金本來就該發因為是超增人民的稅收嘛 鼓你5283億嘛 |
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本來就應該還稅於民嘛大家也認為說這麼多人去登記他表示大家也認為要去領啊可是我們就要問為什麼出現之前左院長什麼還要去定一個說不領的一個選項那時候連民進黨的人還有一些親烈媒體都炸鍋了說根本是情的存也要有極限我要跟大家討論一個大家看一下 來 |
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你看 我們當然感謝現在不是只有在野黨藍跟白的這個奴隸後來民進黨也都一起支持了可是大家要問的一個非常重要的你看 現在連戴清德總統他都下令說他們所有的黨公子要去幫忙發這1萬塊錢連各個立委喔都講說普派1萬塊他們要設這個變民服務站可是你看下一張民進黨是不是有一點神經錯亂 |
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打臉的事情 你看最右邊那一張當初藍白極力推動要普發現金還稅移民的時候民進黨還上去舉牌子 說什麼普發現金會債留子孫 還說是違憲的結果你現在 自己打自己的嘴巴短短兩三個月 連最近最紅的沈伯陽說什麼普發一萬塊啊 是癱瘓台灣的這個三招 |
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掏空台灣 跟中共還是同路人可是你看現在賴清德總統跟卓院長變成什麼 掏空台灣變成中共同路人嗎好來 我們看一下我要談一個比較專業的問題我們依照公債法的這個規定公共債務法第12條這個規定當政府有超收的時候要做一個很重要的事情 |
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還債對不對我們甚至明定就是說至少要5到6%那我要跟你討論一個重點是我們卓院長還在講說我們沒有錢可以去還債來看一下左邊我幫大家做一個統計這是黃耀輝黃學者黃耀輝黃教授的統計我們在108年109年都超收的狀況之下我們還債本來規定5到6%你應該還更多 |
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可是我的統計跟黃教授的統計我們過去7年超徵那麼多錢喔還債只有5.4%顯然偏低嘛對不對我想這樣跟委員報告第一個數字上的部分您剛剛提說113年我們超出預算數是5000多億這是全國數但中央是3757億這是數字上的不同 |
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因為那是全國數是包含地方政府的稅收那另外對於還債的部分呢其實這幾年來我們積極的還債除了預算的編列我們還了之外我們還有增加還債總共還了一兆零七百三十三億元對嘛 這麼多年 部長我們還了那麼多的錢並不是說沒有還債浪費了很多啦 部長我現在跟你討論是舊法 公債法的第十二條就是要還底線就是五趴嘛 |
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對不對 事實上你看106年跟107年竟然都還是不恢復就是違法的喔 連5%都不到然後到了108年開始所以說增加那麼多了超過6%的也只有兩次我今天是要跟你討論就是說以後如果還有超增像今年一定又超增嘛 對不對到目前超增多少 |
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明年要達到預算是具有挑戰性的所以搞不好明年要再普發一萬塊一次我們台灣民眾黨還特別開了檢討年年超增的共享經濟成果這個公聽會我們做了三點建議非常重要這個是所有專家寫者一起有共識的第一個 增加還債的比例 |
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公債法第十二條也明確明確被認定了應該有如果是超徵比較多應該要增加超過6%這是一個第二個要還稅移民所以我剛講今年如果又超徵都要考慮明年是不是應該再發六千塊又一萬塊這是一個另外呢更重要的 |
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連你都超徵這是不對的 為什麼會這樣表示你的意固出的狀況嘛所以你應該提出一個常態化的機制包括要修法要把它訂好 甚至這個錢要怎麼用應該把它明定下來 好 譬如說勞保現在勞工或者說退休公務員 你們在講說撥補等錢不夠 我們在那邊明定撥補勞工多少錢 比例是多少撥補退休的金融教授多少錢 如果你要什麼資料再請 這樣就可以解決危機好不好 再請他們書面提供資料謝謝 張委員 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請林柱英委員林柱英委員林柱英委員不在場下一位徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在場 |