| IVOD_ID |
16544 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16544 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-26T08:30:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-26T13:29:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:58:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db5d3f5f5d43d00e84c45a0f691f4476397692a6bdb7e2f09f68c94fc62bbf63885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:26 - 13:29:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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明镜与点点栏目 |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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請準備報告出席人數 |
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報告全體會初期委員12人已足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第三會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議事錄時間114年3月24日星期一9時至12時地點紅樓101會議室 |
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出席委員 林大浪等14人 列席委員 林德福等13人列席人員 經濟部部長 郭志輝暨相關人員等主席 蔡昭吉委員亦予報告事項 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定 確定討論事項 審查行政環境審議 電業法部分條文修正草案等7案 |
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討論事項 合併詢答委員就議人及楊瓊瑜說明提案要旨經濟部部長郭志輝報告後委員林大化等19人提出質詢進而經濟部部長郭志輝及相關人員及其答覆登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員林德福及徐欣穎所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並附資本會決議一 |
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第二條 第六條 第十一條 第十五條 第十九條 第二十四條 第三十五條 第四十七條 第七十四條 第七十五條增訂第七十八條之一及第八十條條文均照行政院提案通過二 通過附帶決議一項三 並要審查完均 領據審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商 並推請蔡昭吉委員異於院會討論時做補充說明主席宣告 通過之條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理 |
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散會 宣讀完畢好 我們等一下再處理議事錄我們現在繼續進行報告事項 請宣讀邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況並被質詢 宣讀完畢好 我們本日議程是排定農業部來進行業務的概況報告那我們先來介紹我們今天列席的機關首長那首先由我們農業部 我們部長陳俊記 陳部長 |
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好 部長好那我們農業部綜合規劃師師長蔡巧蓮師長好 綜合規劃師檢論記證劉玉文好 農業部資源永續利用師師長莊老達莊師長好 農業部農民輔導師師長陳俊延陳師長 |
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農業部畜牧師師長李怡謙農業部動物保護師師長江文泉農業部國際事務師師長蕭東瓊農業部農業科技師師長李弘熙農業部資訊師師長郭坤峰 |
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1990.238 |
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農業部秘書處處長黃文毅法治處處長吳芙蓉人事處處長吳黎明還有我們政風處處長陳忠強會計處處長陳立榮和統計處處長王淑娟 |
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好那接下來是農業部農糧署署長姚志源好謝謝農業部漁業署署長王茂誠農業部動植物檢疫防疫檢疫署署長吳榮斌徐榮斌好謝謝我們林業級自然保育署署長林華慶 |
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2046.597 |
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農村發展及水土保持署署長李正陽農田水利署署長蔡生福農業金融署署長李聰勇農業科技園區管理中心主任謝聖信 |
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農業試驗所所長林學思林業試驗所所長曾彥學水產試驗所所長詹錦怡續產試驗所所長黃正芳獸醫研究所所長鄧明忠農業藥物試驗所所長徐慈紅 |
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生物多樣性研究所所長楊家棟桃園區農業改良廠廠長王玉華苗栗區農業改良廠廠長呂秀英台中區農業改良廠廠長楊弘英台南區農業改良廠廠長陳義初 |
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高雄區農業改良廠廠長羅正忠花蓮區農業改良廠廠長楊大吉台東區農業改良廠廠長陳信源茶籍飲料作物改良廠廠長蘇忠正種苗改良繁殖廠長張定林 |
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好那我們現在列席的機關首長都已介紹那我們在場有我們林代化委員還有我們張雅玲張委員那我們現在請我們農業部陳俊基部長報告 |
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2192.276 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天奉邀到大院經濟委員會第11屆第三會期做有關農業部的業務報告首先還是要代表農業部感謝所有的委員長期以來對農業的一個支持讓我們的農業的政策能夠逐步的落實繼續往前進 |
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整個農業部的一個施政還是以強化農業韌性為主軸那在前端的生產端我們最主要是以智慧的生產系統來減少我們天災的一個干擾那在消費端我們是以穩定農產品的一個供應鏈更同時確保我們的農產品的安心 |
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那在環境面的部分最主要是在強化農業及農村發展的一個支持體系來維護整個農業的一個資源跟生態那以下僅就生產端消費端跟環境端來做一些說明那生產端的部分我們最主要是持續我們之前推動的自衛農業 |
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進一步的一個落地然後運用數位科技去建構完善的一個農業生產鏈的部分那這個部分包括整個的一個產品履歷的溯源的系統還有環境監測的系統都已經逐步的一個落實然後透過一個動態的管理系統能夠隨時掌握整個生產栽培的一個系統那在漁船方面我們也 |
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增加了有關於自動辨識漁船的一個進出然後減少人力的一個支出在整個提升生產效率面部分我們透過了整合的物聯網的部分那在養殖漁業的部分我們提供了一個自動生產排成的一個遠端遙控的一個設備設施的導入來大幅的降低農業的勞動力那在續勤方面不斷的去透過這樣的一個監測系統來 |
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更精準的掌握我們的情緒的一個健康狀態同時運用AI的一個輔助裝置不管是在育種面也好或是在調查面也好我們在去年度開始就已經導入那同時針對屠宰衛生的部分也做全方位的一個監管 |
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在水資源的一個優化的部分我們在重要的灌溉水閘門已經佈置了相關的電子巡檢系統來輔助我們的這些水閘門的巡檢人員的一個作業那同時我們在波地的部分去強化土石流防災及應變決策的一個精準度透過GPAI的一個結合觀測站透過AI的判試來達到一個精準的一個判試 |
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那從上面那幾個整個的智慧農業的精準運用其實我們現在農業部正在建立一個大數據的一個決策中心來精進我們農業的一個基本調查那最主要就是以時間的動態軸向 |
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去提供全方面的一个服务然后透过地级作物跟农民之间的一个动态资料库的连结那未来希望说这样的一个连结能够有助于我们在前端的天然灾害勘灾的时候或者是为民服务的时候的一个有效的运用 |
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第二個部分是在整個的一個穩定農產品供應順暢所建構的一個安全供應鏈的部分那我們都知道台灣是非洲豬園的肺疫區我們口蹄疫也是肺疫區那在這邊也非常高興的向委員說明我們今年度就在上個禮拜已經收到WHO的那個 |
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科學委員會建議我們是傳統豬瘟的一個飛域區那這個訊息將會在5月的大會的時候會正式的會被WHO做認可那在禽流感防控的一個監測裡面透過我們防檢署的各項的作為然後很明顯的就是在111年的這種大幅的禽流感在112年已經有大幅的減少 |
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那在這邊也跟各位報告在今年為止我們目前只有23場的一個前流感的疫情比去年有更精進的一個作為 |
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那在環境友善推動的部分除了我們持續推動農藥風險減半的部分我們希望說在114年開始我們針對托福中退場以後我們整個農藥風險可以降到58%那同時配合農藥的10年減半我們推動了各項的IPM的操作作為 |
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那同時也針對有機有膳去做持續的推動以及相關的產交履歷那有機有膳跟產交履歷都能夠確保我們的食材的安全然後透過這樣子的一個面積的一個推廣我們也將這些食材推進到學校的營養午餐目前學校的營養午餐利用三張EQ的覆蓋率已經達到98.7 |
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冷面一直是大家所關注的要確保糧食就是農產品的一個品質的穩定那冷面是必要的那物理網路也是必要的所以人類物理我們持續在今年度甚至於在未來的四年還會持續的推動那 |
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值得一提的就是我們結合了217家的農漁會然後提供了一個多元便利的一個服務那這樣的一個服務受到很多小農的一個好評那同樣的就是這些農產品我們也持續的 |
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分散到其他的市場特別是我們也去爭取相關的高端市場那包括美國包括加拿大新加坡泰國越南菲律賓等都有不錯的一個成績那我們針對新品種進入市場准入的部分我們在113年度包括鳳梨已經可以准入到紐西蘭那相關的日本的部分包括 |
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火龍果 紅龍的火龍果以及龍虎斑也可以順利進到日本市場那生煙豬肉也可以進到相關的新加坡的市場那第三個部分是有關於強化農業及農村發展支持體系的部分那除了我們持續的利用人力團來解決相關的這些臨時性的缺工問題以外 |
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我們也專注在培育農業的經營能財那同時我們也運用相關的外國人力特別是我們向勞動部爭取到2萬人的一個外國人力那這些人力不只是可以在農糧領域、序程領域、林業領域那還有漁業領域都有一些相關的這些服務那 |
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除了人力的協助以外我們也積極推動了相關的農業的機械化的部分那在113年我們已經成立了相關的農機的一個農事服務團22團那希望說透過這樣類似農機的Uber的概念能夠更能夠協助相關的農業機械的一個推動那在農民福利制度上面 |
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包括農民健康保險農民職債保險跟農業保險以及農民退休儲金那在113年度都有相關的一個提升包括農民職業災害保險我們已經跟農保連結就是你要做農保的時候一定要同時去保農業職業災害保險那現在加保率大概84%那退休儲金的部分也越來越多人來參加那目前已經覆蓋率已經達到34%那在 |
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最近大家都認為就是有關於農保的部分那在這邊也特別說明我們最近的研議的相關的一個政策就是配合國家能源政策我們研議放寬農保的一個資格的一個規定那整個調整方向包括就是你如果配合國家能源政策在自有加保地設置光定業者我們可以放寬可以維持他的農保資格那 |
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這樣子的一個樣態大概有分為兩個部分一個部分就是如果依非都市土地管制規則的時候那你可以在你的土地設置再生能源的那個發電設施面積的660公頃那660公頃會導致你原來一分地不符合規 |
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符合相關的一個加保規定那我們在這邊予以放寬可以讓他可以繼續去納保那第二個部分就配合漁電共生那原農保的保險人其實實際從事工作面積的不受0.1公頃的一個限制那我們希望說透過這樣的一個放寬能夠加速整個光電的一個進行那在生態資源 |
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的部分包括兩個部分一個是產業的永續的部分那產業永續我們在林業的部分我們持續加強林下經濟的一個推動那目前為止已經公告了九項那我們會持續的去增加然後還有森林療癒的部分那在生態永續面的部分 |
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包括我們持續針對45個保育軸帶跟44個關注區域然後建立跨機關的合作平台那特別是在林保署跟其他公司協力方面我們也開始去針對陸域的OCEM的部分去推動認證的一個方案那也擴大了生態的幾戶包括15戶包括黑酒農10種濱林物種及4種棲地的樣態來增加我們的生態的一個 |
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服務給他給付 |
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那在整個農村產業的發展是我們農業部這從農委會改制農業部以後非常重要的一個工作我們希望說去建構農村產業的一個永續發展然後透過相關的農村的培育相關的透過我們農村的產業創新以及政策的輔導之下那不管是在農村的休閒旅遊方面或者是在農村的人力在 |
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回流再提升的部分我們都已經逐步的去建構相關的一個更多的一個服務量能那在公司協力部分一直是農業部門在積極推動特別是在淨零轉型部分那整個淨零轉型部分的土壤碳灰的部分都需要一些相關的方法學那現在目前我們已經有三個方法學是獲得通過的 |
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那透過這樣的方法學未來就有相關的探全的一個可得到探全的一個可能性那我們也同時針對循環農業的技術研發還有一個農業永續ESG的一個商店然後希望說透過這樣的一個ESG的商店能夠加速公部門跟市部門的共同來推動淨零轉型那在114年推動重點在這邊 |
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特別強調10個重點第一個部分就是我們糧食產業的全面升級計畫那這個糧食產業全面升級計畫不僅照顧了重道的農民也照顧了非重道配合政策做稻田轉作的農民那這個部分我想我們在今年開始推的話在 |
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大概100多場的一個座談會裡面也獲得很多農民的一個好評那我們希望說持續透過這樣子的一個推動能夠讓我們的糧食安全更能夠獲得確保第二個部分是 |
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我們強力的推動整個農業數位的整合服務那這個整合服務在行政面它可以服務農民也可以服務第一線的公所的農民因為第一線的公所農民都是接觸到農民的一個申請那我們希望說未來整個數位整合的時候能夠簡化我們第一線的工作人員的一個 |
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人力的一個支出那同樣的我們透過數位整合也能夠提供更精準的產業的資訊以及相關的技術服務那在這邊也跟各位委員報告今年度開始我們會在適當的時間去宣布我們國內的這些作物我們會採用種植登記的一個制度那當我們這個數位整合服務建立以後再搭配我們的種植登記我相信我們就更能夠掌握到整個產銷的一個資訊 |
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那第三個部分是精進相關的災害的救助制度在這邊我想各位委員都關心天然災害救助的時候的一個效率那還有就是這些品項的金額的調整所以我們在今年從去年開始 |
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我們去年的年尾開始我們就持續的去邀集相關的單位去做討論然後增修了很多天氣的參數那這個天氣參數分為兩個一個是所謂的一個一個災害的天氣參數跟災損的天氣參數那災害的天氣參數能夠迅速的更快的能夠公告我們天然災害的品項那災損的參數就是未來如果是屬於災損的天氣參數的話那就不需要 |
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進行限地的勘栽直接可以獲得相關的理賠那這樣的話就能夠很快的節省整個天然災害救助的一個效率那同時我們也針對各個作物的品項它本身的這些救助的金額我們也滾動式的檢討去符合它的相關的一個生產成本那同時也導入相關的一個農業的保險的精進 |
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那寵物的食品寵物的一個動物保護的部分我想是以非常多的委員所關注的那在農業部在今年度有幾個重要的事情包括寵物食品的法制化特別是在磚牌的部分在去年度送到行政院以後現在目前已經 |
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有相關的很多的一些意見回饋那我們會持續的去做相關的一個檢討跟溝通那第二部分我們要做的是有關於寵物分類分級的管理的部分那分類分級的管理才能夠讓我們的動物能夠寵物能夠受到標準的一個動物福利然後也能夠兼顧我們的公共的一個安全那另外在整個整個 |
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寵物事業的一個輔導與管理我們也會強化相關的整個的一個產業的遊戲規則包括我們會推動寵物產業的定型化的契約然後也針對我們的寵物的美容師我們也會給予認證那未來寵物的這種所謂的保姆我們也會針對寵物保姆會做相關的一個職能的一個認證 |
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希望說透過相關的這些政府的作為能夠讓整個寵物的產業能夠持續的往前 |
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那第五個部分就是精進養牛產業的輔導那各位都知道其實我們台灣的牛奶它是一個品質非常好的那由於國外的一些牛奶的一個競爭那我們希望說透過在生產端在產品端在後市場端能夠全方位的來協助我們的弱農產業的一個升級轉型包括推動 |
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滷牛的死亡保險然後淘汰滷牛的一個地產滷牛的淘汰那同樣的我們會將我們的鮮乳標章從現在的驗證標章改成證明標章那未來只有標示台灣鮮乳 |
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或者是獲得產交履歷及CAS的標章的才能夠號稱為台灣鮮乳那如果沒有得到這三個標章的話都不能稱為台灣鮮乳那同樣的我們也協助了我們的酪農開發多重的這種乳品然後我們也會積極的協助這些小農成立自由的品牌然後推動到各項的一個通路 |
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那在動植物檢疫方面我們都知道獸醫師在第一線的屠宰的工作是非常辛苦的那經過我們農業部多方的爭取以後那也獲得行政院的支持我們現在正在推動所謂的公職獸醫師不開業獎金因為現在寵物事業非常發達 |
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受益師都會跑去做開業而不願意留在公職系統所以我們利用這樣的一個不開業獎金的誘因能夠希望說留住繼續留住我們的受益師那這個部分我想進行了非常順利現在已經進到行政院去做審議那我們希望說在 |
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在一個月到兩個月之間就能夠正式公布的實施那同樣的植物診療師也順利的一個通過相關的法制作業那預計在今年的八月就會舉行第一次的國考那後續通過國考的部分就能夠確保整個植物診療師就是簡稱植物醫師的部分能夠更有他的一個權威性那同樣的我們除了正職人員我們也推動了 |
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動物醫師助理認證制度希望透過這個助理認證制度來協助獸醫師的相關工作透過民間的結合還有課程的安排我們目前已經建立了大概1168次登錄的部分希望說後續可以做有效的加強 |
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然後在漁業的部分漁業人權一直是我們所重視的那除了說漁業漁船這些漁船上岸以後的這些他的一個勞動的一個條件在船上的勞動條件跟他在上岸以後的這些福利制度我們都會持續的去加強 |
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然後保障船員的勞動條件同時也建立系統性的一個薪資的一個給付的制度那我們希望說在今年度有一個薪資的一個電藏的互助的機制然後透過這樣的互助的機制我想船員就不再擔心船主他不要就是因為任何原因而不支付這個薪水給船員他有一個互助機制的話就能夠順利的得到他應有的一個薪資 |
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那第八個部分是在有關於剩餘資源的循環中心的一個建制那我們都知道農業的過去是農業的廢棄物我們現在稱為農業的剩餘資材那每一年大概都有600多萬噸如果加上其他的大概有1000萬噸左右那這些剩餘資材其實可以做很有效的利用包括鳳梨 |
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提煉的鳳梨渣、鳳梨纖維、鳳梨酵素然後甚至於牡蠣殼的部分都是一個非常成功的案例然後我們在今年度我們會投入相當多的預算去建立這個農業剩餘資源的一個循環中心能夠 |
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讓這些剩餘資產回歸到農業使用減少資源的投入那也能夠跨域的供應它的永續材料那未來我想在產業的需求面的話我想我們會陸續的跟地方有興趣的不管是合作市長或是縣市政府去推動相關的一個區域循環中心那第九個部分是有關於整個農業部門空間的一個資源規劃 |
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國土計畫裡面雖然說延後6年但是農業的一個相關的支持性的一個給付我們還是會持續推動包括生態環境給付包括確保糧食安全給付包括對地給付我們都會持續的精進去推動特別在生態環境給付的部分我們會更凸顯它對生態服務的一個價值 |
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那持續的將農產品消防高端的市場也是一直農業部一直努力的一個目標那在整個新的做法我想我們會更精準的做產品的定位跟市場的區隔那第二個部分我們會更精準的去連結目標市場的這些通路因為唯有通路的有效鏈接才能夠讓我們農產品順利的外銷然後同樣的我們會擴大跟其他 |
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跨領域的一個合作在國外做有效的一個行銷 |
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那最後一部分我想很簡單的跟各位說明就是114年度的我們的整體預算是比去年增加了本來是增加83.1億後來因為立法院刪除了63億刪除了20億20.14億所以我們還有增加63.1億但是我要跟各位委員報告我們增加的預算是表示我們要做更多的事情而這更多的事情是也是回饋回應到委員的要求就是要 |
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去爭取更多的經費來照顧我們農民那這個增加的經費裡面大概最主要是在整個的一個基礎建設的部分包括在這個剝地的這些土石流的一個防護的部分還有一個產業升級的部分那特別是在農民福利的部分我們也會做適度的一個加強特別在肥力的供應還有天然災害救助的部分我想我們就透過這些預算來做一個支持但是 |
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很可惜的是在這次的立法院的預算裡面刪除了我們大概20.14億的部分那這個刪除的部分大概分為三部分包括我們的宣導費包括我們的旅費包括我們在特別收入基金減少了六九千萬那我先說旅費的部分各位都知道農業部有非常多的這些 |
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這些地方是需要我們同仁去巡視的那包括我們農民天然災害的時候第一線我們要去勘災的時候我們就必須要及時的去勘災然後在山上在坡地有土石流的一些預警的時候我們的同仁也要到山上去然後森林的部分森林的火災的防範或森林的稻伐的部分也需要我們的護管人員到山上去巡視那這些東西都是需要國內的採取費 |
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那國外的部分就誠如我剛才講的整個國外的本身的農產品外銷我們每一年都積極的在國外做相關的拓展那現在因為特別在國外禮業被通占60%以後那相關的我們的勢必相關的國外的一些的一些宣導跟參展就會受到很大的影響 |
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那業務宣傳也是一樣特別是土石流防災預警的一個宣導那還有一個非洲豬瘟邊境的非洲豬瘟的宣導都需要一些相關的費用那這邊在特別跟委員報告雖然說 |
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那個公務預算有一筆撥補到基金去雖然說只刪了9000萬看起來好像很少但是我要跟委員報告就是當你的公務預算撥補到基金如果有被刪除的時候那未來基金就不能動用第二預備金那我舉一個很簡單的例子我們的天然災害我們往年都是編27億28億左右那去年因為上個颱風我們天然災害 |
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協助農民救助的有達到76億到78億換句話說我們原來的天然災害的資金不夠基金不夠的時候我們可以向行政院徵請第二預備金像去年就申請了40億的第二相關的相關的經費那也因為這樣的一個一個刪減導致說後續我們在基金的運作的時候都沒有辦法再動用第二預備金那往年 |
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觀察我往年我們的基金大概每一年都需要大概在撥補大概31到50億左右那這樣的情形我想我們還是會持續努力去向行政院徵取其他管道的一個經費但是這樣的一個三點真的造成我們非常大的一個困擾 |
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那第二個部分是有關於財劃法的部分在這邊也要跟委員說明我們如果針對財劃法現在目前所刪減的以農業部推估的影響金大概是在240億左右那扣掉我們的相關的醫法律義務支出其實我們可用的大概只有520億那這520億裡面我們本來做的非常多為民 |
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基礎建設農業的基礎建設還有農民的福利那因為也因為經費移撥了以後但是相當的業務並沒有隨著經費的移撥而移轉這個包括很多肥料的一個補貼包括用電的一個補貼 |
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這些東西過去都是農業部主動去爭取的那在基礎建設來講我們特別是我們的很多農水路那這種跨縣市的農水路整合更為重要那智商防洪更不要講了整體的智商防洪跟系統性的治水也會因為這樣的一個財務法對於我們經費的輸出也會受到影響那還有房檢業的部分也是一個非常重要而且 |
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必須要中央來做的所以今年度的財務法雖然已經通過那今年度後續要怎麼處理我們目前還不是很了解但是可以確定的就是我們在115年的時候我們就要簡列我們的預算的一個編列 |
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那這個部分我想到時候還要請各位委員能夠支持我們農業部的一個預算的一個編列那最後其實農業部一直是希望讓臺灣的農業成為永續韌性的一個產業也一直希望讓我們的農民成為一個高度專業的一個職位那我們希望說未來持續透過智慧韌性永續安心的四個軸面來加速我們農業的一個發展以上報告 謝謝好 謝謝部長 |
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這個天然災害沒有辦法用預備金是很嚴重的事這件事可能要想一下 |
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好我們現在進行詢答委員諮詢前原例做以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘上午10點40分截止發言登記那我們今天就照到上午10點的時候我們可能休息一下我們會休息個30分鐘我們先讓大家知道一下所以這個 |
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大家質詢的時間在在自行注意好我們現在請登記第一位好來拍誰拍誰各位委員上次揮一絲路有錯誤沒有好好一絲路確定好我們現在請登記第一位林戴華委員發言有請部長請部長 |
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好 部長 兩大議題 第一個繼續關心非營利犬貓血庫推動的議題 第二個針對台灣豬續產的一個狀態跟您做討論 第一個我是非常感謝您 您是親自處理非營利犬貓的血庫平台的一個建置但是有一個重點是 |
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建立推廣總部去杜絕血液的交易那現在呢你們是要本部本部自己做那也沒有問題是由房檢署自行來管理所以呢你下面有很多分部那我要提醒部長這個政策的成敗就是在於推廣 |
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跟教育事主因為他不會像人一樣自己來捐血所以包括你怎麼讓目標的這個可以這個目標有潛力也願意有誘因鼓勵這些大型的這個事主願意帶出他的狗狗或貓貓出來當來捐血這件事情就非常的重要我先提點你你現在有150個已經晶片 |
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你的狗狗你如何從這個已經現有的資料庫當中去跟這些事主宣導以及一些什麼相關的一個鼓勵措施讓他願意來跟你們來做配合是不是你願意聽他做一些全面的健檢這個也是一個免費健檢類似這樣然後進而跟他推廣這個是對狗狗是好的對貓貓是好的 |
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然後進而你要跟誰來做結合你要跟獸醫師學會所有全國的動保團體它結合你們的房檢署本身就要做這樣的一個整合平台不管對有潛力的這些大型的巨型的犬 |
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或者是貓的飼主來做宣導另外一個誰要來協助你推廣你的民間的力量全部都要做整合這個才是你今天這個競選總部你要放在你的房間署署本部當中要做這個總部的平台當中最重要的關鍵好我這邊就提點那下一個重點是我們的豬續產 |
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好 租蓄產這個部分我個人要對房間署的同仁給予大大的暗聲讚這是一個真的不容易的工作在部長您的提點當中今年5月將成為亞洲唯一喔哇 這個實在太棒了或者亞洲唯一能夠去獲得豬瘟口蹄疫非洲豬瘟三大重大病株的 |
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非異國 這真的是我要給你拍拍手 真是不容易這個從邊境的管制 防疫 極疫的防治 民間的宣導的繁重工作 這個是房間署同輪中是功不可沒也就是說好 我們打開國際市場是已經具備全亞洲唯一我可以去這個出口我的這個租資的這樣的一個國家好 |
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第二個 那我們到底生產效益有沒有偏低呢 如果像雞你幾乎都沒有優化的空間了 我們只好進口豬有沒有呢 這張表 我們的這個離乳率從這個離乳率當中70%而已 也就是說我能夠生的 |
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的這個鋰乳之後呢 我能夠養的也不過是70.9%而已 養成的 只能70.9%我們近年來呢 雖從西方營種 他的鋰乳豬的頭數幅度增幅不大但是呢 我們的豬肉的育成率是降低的 這句話什麼意思我能夠 |
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這個養的頭數增幅不大但是能夠活得成的 |
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降低了所以呢而導致我國每公斤的豬肉的成本在跟國際一些領先水準的國家譬如說美國右上角這張圖很明顯就是在我們的最上面紅色的部分是我國你看到2022年我們每頭豬可以將近80塊的豬肉成本那最下面那個淺綠色的就是美國他才62塊 60幾塊而已 |
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所以將近20的差距啊這樣的一個生產成本效益好那我們有沒有高度優化的空間當然有你看這張圖是本辦公室整理出來的我們國際一流的水準的這個種族的這個國家包括前段包括台灣平均水 國際一流我就以剛才的那張圖這個 |
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美國跟這個西班牙那以前段的我就以德國好為主你看我們的育成率我們的育成率國際醫療88%前段的88%我們才70%而已如果我育成包括他的成本從第一段的成本65%只有65塊我們竟然可以高達77塊 |
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好我們再來看這個數字喔我的年拍賣所得我的再看左邊這個母豬的這個總母豬的這個頭數我50萬隻我50萬隻同樣的50萬隻德國可以多少拍賣總值1億2800多萬同樣50萬隻我的拍賣才827萬差了多少460億同樣50萬隻好那我的這個這個拍賣獲利同樣的50萬隻德國就能夠 |
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4500多億的的獲利我們才950多億有沒有空間 當然有啊好 包括所以呢連拍賣所得我們維持台灣現有的母豬有增加461產值我就跟德國比一樣50萬隻我的獲利我可以360萬以上的獲利就供給自主面來講良好的總員跟管理我整體總母豬維持在37萬豬就夠了你看左邊那張圖 |
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到這個前段班的第二個37萬的總租你看到右邊我的年拍賣的總值年拍賣的上市投數你看喔在我的前段班的第二個上市投數是800 |
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47萬846萬就國內但是我們國內呢只要735萬投訴所以我養37萬隻我就可以打比你現在的上市在市場上交易的還多出100多萬 |
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所以我甚至都可以補足3%的進口肉類另外所以發展國內的循環育種的系統之下整體產業有望是朝千億的同樣的37萬 同樣的50萬我都有千億的價值在拍賣獲利上都有360億以上的拍賣獲利所以這句話是重點 |
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台灣的是熱帶的國家我們很厲害 我們長期育種所以我們台灣的種族是耐熱的所以我只要提高它的育成率就夠了從78% 88%我有注意到您的這個簡報您是現在育種率提高7% |
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但是我們目標就88就好了你7再增加到18就夠了不管你的成本降低 你的拍賣總數 你的上市投入 你的拍賣獲利我們就可以出口了部長這就是您可以大力推動的好 |
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那怎麼做我們有個條件的優勢在哪裡看左邊這張圖這張圖的樹狀圖紅色的樹狀圖是代表的我飼養的廠家這10年來2013年到2023年這當中我的廠家一直下降好你看綠色的平均規模我廠家下降但是我飼養的頭數是增加的 |
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表示廠跟廠之間整合的時代大型化已經來進行了所以表示你在推動你的AI智慧育種的情況之下你相關的這個政策就可以更容易導入人家說電腦可以經營 |
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所以現在的AI大數據生物科技當中當然可以用基因來達成電腦可以來經營所以這是世界先進國家現在的進行制我們現在才剛開始所以目前國際先進的國家均已導入了而且持續進行將基因檢定應用在豬隻的選育配種最後具體要求兩個 |
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第一個請農業部既然你們已經組織單位平台是在房檢署請農業部房檢署提出具體的非營利犬貓雪菇平台的限制內容管理機制及對應的推廣計畫這是第一個訴求第二個請農業部提出 |
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國家租資續產產業政策這個是你可以出口的第一個參考國際租資生產效益領先國家提出國家租資續產效益提升策略第二個構思由市場競爭機制帶動續產的產業的升級提高我國整體續產的競爭力所以如果你能夠再協調台糖 |
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整個兩萬多隻的種豬現在的進口你就馬上導入你這個剛才講的這個整個AI的相關智慧的養殖智慧的育種以及基因檢定之後台糖做其他的大廠一定跟著做或者他沒有競爭力只有透過市場競爭機制來提高我們的產業升級進入我們整體的續產競爭力來提升好這邊我們要求 |
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除了兩週內初步來給我來本席辦公室回覆之外因為這個續產的部分我已經溝通台堂了包括你們相關的同仁這我都做完了3月31號給我給我這兩個方向其實是有共識但是針對第一跟第二整體來講我希望納入第十一屆第四會期的業務報告你這邊的業務報告有針對你的這個施政成果 |
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我希望下一次是這兩個施政成果要強限第二個 你的夏惠琦的施政成果當中的施政推動重點因為我怕什麼 你房檢局現在給我訂的時候 署長不配合署長不配合 你很積極署長不配合那不就完蛋了嗎所以要變成重要的施政重點 部長可以嗎 |
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我想謝謝委員的這兩個議題這個議題我想第一個我非常支持特別是非營利雪庫的成敗就是對市主的宣導所以這個部分我想我們應該要有一個非常好的宣導機制才能夠落實 |
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然後有關於那個現在目前雖然是房檢署做那是起頭後續可能就會回歸到願意來協助的一起來努力然後有關於第二個部分租資的部分的預成率他跟他的離乳率跟喪失率是有關的當然那這兩個部分我想我們會努力的去把它弄但是我可不可以請求委員因為你說兩個禮拜我不喜歡就是 |
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我支持但是我可以說一定要納入下會期第四會期的業務報告裡面跟本委員但是也希望給我們一個月的時間因為我不希望兩個禮拜會變成應付式的提供委員我希望說有一個比較好的一個討論好 部長非常好我們就照部長的這樣指示來作業好 謝謝但是下一屆我們下會期當中這兩項你就要提出你的施政重點喔還有你的這個推動成果好 謝謝 以上 |
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好謝謝林黛華委員那下一位我們請邱益穎委員質詢謝謝主席我請一下那個陳部長好請部長 |
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部長好部長我想這個每一次農業部都會把你們未來的工作跟過去所推動的業務都報導的非常詳細但最近有一個新聞我想還是要趁這個機會是不是讓部長來說明一下現在地方各地農會各地區的農民都非常緊張因為有國民黨的委員說配合租地種電就會喪失農保資格他說政府對於老農養套殺 |
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那到底這件事情是不是真的同時間我們看到去年在審查預算提案的時候國民黨的馬文君委員說 |
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農業部對種電的農民沒有取消他的農保資格但是對於其他有營利事業登記證的農民是把他取消資格很顯然在這件事情上面就有人在造謠了到底農地種電會不會被取消資格 這是一件事情 |
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政府有沒有對老農養套殺這是另外一件事情這是第二件事情第三件事情我其實更想知道就是說在我們現在一直不斷的在推動無法耕作的這些老農他如果願意把他的農地釋出不管是去種電或者是租給青農協助青農能夠真正實質從事農業耕作但是因為你們現在配合審計部的這個調查是不是會導致 |
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地主跟租約的這些實耕者關係惡化那這個問題要怎麼解決部長來給您時間回答好 謝謝委員我這邊還是要去強調就是整個的一個農保的資格其實要加入農保的人都知道他必須要有一分地然後要處置一重農那相對的就程度剛才委員所提到的 |
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65歲以上的老農我們是鼓勵他把農地租給青年農民所以在這個部分其實我們已經放寬了他的土地就不需要再擁有0.1分地所以他就沒有所謂的農保因為地不夠的問題所以65歲以上的農民他租給人家他的農保資格不會喪失嗎即使是租給種電的也不會喪失嗎對是都不會喪失所以這個就是很清楚的 |
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一定要一定要澄清我覺得這個農業部也要去做一個澄清對這個我想我們一定澄清就是65歲以上的老農是完全不會受到影響這是要特別去澄清的然後第二個部分就是65歲以下的部分就誠如剛才檢報我講的 |
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我們為了配合國家能源政策那你的土地如果租給光電業者的時候你的土地的持份如果土地的擁有不到一分地的時候我們也讓他能夠繼續擁有農保所以後續也不會對這個配合光電政策的也不會受到影響 |
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部長我覺得像這些很奇怪農業的東西啊 謠言很快就會散佈然後搞到所有的農民人心惶惶我認為像這個應該農業部要很快速的回擊或者是很快速的反應但是你們現在的快速反應呢會出現一個很大的落差就是你們的預算被砍你們的宣傳預算被砍我現在要跟您談到的是 |
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你的轄下的業務費被砍了你的預算差旅費被砍了宣傳預算也被砍了差旅費被砍很多人覺得差旅費被砍沒什麼差旅費被砍是我很在意啊為什麼因為你們要隨時下鄉啊你們要隨時下鄉不管是勘栽不管是協助農民種植你的農改廠隨時都要去協助農民做農業的技術的改良嘛你差旅費被砍 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
4801.695 |
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怎麼樣去幫助農民那你以後叫你這些同仁是怎麼樣走路去還是騎腳踏車去未來怎麼樣去勘栽你現在現在的天氣變化這麼大 |
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4825.322 |
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屏東的芒果已經只開花不結果慢慢的會往上延伸會到高雄到台南是這些看災要不要看玉荷包今年去年年底的時候花開得很漂亮現在開始發現問題了只開花不結果要不要去看災怎麼去看災這個預算這樣被砍還有您剛剛講到的你的這個錢 |
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業務費被刪了以後你們不能去申請基金的撥補基金就撥補過來他們說基金撥補過來沒問題啊可是你不能申請預備金啊去年的農損總共你申請預備金撥補多少錢去年天然災害的話撥補的將近40億撥補了40億那今年預算這樣被砍的話 |
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你一毛錢都申請不到對 二倍金就不能一 相關預算法是不可以的按照預算法一毛錢都申請不到是那怎麼辦所以我們只能你要怎麼處理我們只能向行政院祈求風調雨順颱風永遠都不會來哇 第一個我要還是要去擲筊 |
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我跟委員報告就是過去委員都知道這件事情所以我們的基金公務撥補基金大概都不會被刪那這次被刪了以後真的是對二倍金影響那二倍金不能的話我們只能再看行政院有沒有其他的方面的一個基金或者是像我覺得行政院能夠救助的方法都救助了然後在經濟委員會裡頭其實我們在經濟委員會裡頭我們是沒有刪這個錢的 |
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每一個委員在現場的委員包括國民黨的委員大家都說來自農業縣大家對農業都是支持是沒有刪這個錢的啊為什麼到了院會到了富坤崎所領導的黨團就會把這個錢刪掉那未來我們要怎麼樣協助農民去處理第三個這個錢的問題還小事啊台灣的農產品被他們說的一文不值啊 |
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4950.184 |
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部長我給你看一個這個是民國86年的專欄報導當時的農委會說要把台灣的水果走向精品路線所以呢現在我們台灣的農民很認真很努力啊一直希望能夠把台灣的水果打向世界舞台打向國際舞台你看到人家日本細張哈密瓜兩顆賣300萬日元 |
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紅葡萄一串賣160萬日元芒果兩顆賣60萬日元這是精品走向這是精品走向但是不是每一顆都是這樣賣啦對不對是這個也是台灣希望有一天我們的我們的水果也是能站在日本的精品市場不是嗎是這是我們努力的目標好結果你看一下 |
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我們外銷日本的水果銷量是成長比如說去年跟2016比我們的出口銷量是大幅增加547%可是我們的金額只有成長232% |
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5015.876 |
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鳳梨外銷日本9年成長了16倍總共成長了1614%但是我們的金額只增加了1469換句話說我們只有拼量沒有拼到價錢 |
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這跟我們當時想要做的其實是相違背嘛部長 你這樣懂我的意思嗎我知道因為天災 因為天氣冷 香蕉長不出來所以香蕉價格貴還竟然被國民黨的王宏威說這是詐騙他說香蕉怎麼可以這麼貴台灣的香蕉怎麼可以這麼貴你知道 岐山的蕉農聽了內心都在淌血啊 |
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不緊張的話就很悲哀啊買這個介紹也不是他要的 市場沒用 你當然介紹就管嘛結果他跟你說 香蕉不能這麼貴還有人說要去引進廉價的香蕉進來到底是誰在破壞台灣的農業啊到底是誰在殺害台灣的農業啊我直接用殺害兩個字 不是損害而已 是殺害啊 |
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不然像現在你要怎麼做我跟委員報告齁就是在我們經濟委員會的委員包括國民黨包括民進黨包括任何政黨 |
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對農業夠了解當你對農業不夠了解才會講這樣子的一個話當我們農民受到天然災害的時候那相關的這些量太少的時候就算他價格比較高也沒辦法滿足他的過往的收入啊是啊所以這個部分我們一定是堅持絕對不會從類似的其他的水果我們也不會從其他的國家去進口來打擊我們自己的農民 |
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所以我是覺得這樣 就是說有一些人對農業不了解的還是要多讀點書 或者是到鄉下去走一走或者是農業部你們應該利用宣傳的時候讓大家多一點了解這個農業知識可是很可惜你們的宣傳經費也被砍了 所以不懂的人還是不懂 |
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那我們希望能夠把台灣的水果推向國際不只是只有量我們希望那個價錢要把它拉高你要讓農民真的能夠透過外銷可以多賺一點錢可以賺得到錢這個是我們一直在努力的目標所以我想 |
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預算被砍未來的這個災損的補助到底從何而來這個我們還需要一直努力啊那我不知道國民黨的委員願不願意協助願不願意去跟他們的副坤崎總召說放過農民一馬 |
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放過農民一馬幫幫台灣的農業如果他們願意我們可以在這裡給他拍拍手如果不願意那他們很顯然就是扼殺台灣農業的幫兇啊我必須要講這麼重的話部長好謝謝邱議員委員那 |
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我們下一位請張家俊委員發言但是我可能要拜託楊瓊英委員幫我代理主席然後一直到張祺凱委員後就休息好不好好等一下先開始主席我想請部長好請部長 |
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部長早安那電價審議委員會後天就要召開了那根據目前釋出的訊息跟中央政府的態度來看漲電價幾乎已成定局部長您怎麼看待這樣一再的調漲的趨勢 |
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我想有關電價的調漲那以農業部照顧農民的一個立場那在上次電價調漲的時候我們就向行政院積極的爭取相關的農民用電的優惠能夠持續然後電價的差價能夠做補貼所以我們在114年度這個部分當初本集也有提醒您但是我想要知道的是會不會也讓農業部承受不少的壓力呢 |
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我想電價有關於電價有它相關的一個定價的機制但是價格一旦出來的時候如果對我們農民有影響我們一定會去爭取額外的經費來繼續協助我們的農民所以部長是可以在這裡承諾說農電與電的用電並不會因此受到波及嗎是這個意思嗎您剛剛講的意思就是您會願意補貼它我們願意就是 |
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這次如果電價有如果有任何的調整的時候那需要的這些有關於農民優惠的部分電價的差價的部分我們會持續向行政院再遵循相關的經費 |
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是因為這不只是數字上的變化對於農民漁民這是最基本的生計像是農田裡的抽水機啊 溫網式的電力設備包括漁民的冷凍庫增揚機這些都是維持他們生產不可或缺的設施喔那所以假設電價一旦調漲那成本就會明顯的墊高對基層的這些農漁民影響非常的大那我也希望說請教部長喔 |
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就是說針對農電漁電的補助今年共編列了多少錢24.26億刪除以後24.26億 本來是25點多 是是是請問這個數字是有包含預估今年會漲價的結果嗎 |
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沒有沒有所以農業部現在就是打算追加預算希望行政院補助我們是嗎我想現在的電價是不是調整我不知道那過往其實農業部有一些經費可以在內部挪動 |
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但是很可惜的今年就被刪了20億然後又被凍結了你今年不是有增加83億嗎我看你自己整體1609億增加到1693億我們增加的預算有增加新的工作不是說工作沒增加錢增加了 |
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我知道你很努力 但我想要知道的是針對這一波漲價 農業部到底要怎麼因應呢假設他是漲一塊的話 你是要補貼他是撥補他0.5塊還是會補足 就是那個percentage你大概會補足讓他實際動漲還是說只是部分的補貼 |
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我想我們會跟過去的政策是一樣的就是針對優惠的部分針對價差的部分我們會去做一個相關的補貼這是我個人的期待就是補到什麼程度是全補嗎還是就是價差就是它原來農業用電有原來農業用電的那個嘛然後你帳的部分的價差你就全合補助的意思這是我們期待啦就等於是它如果漲一塊你就補一塊這是你的目標 |
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我的目標但是這也要看經費的來源這個我們會持續的去爭取你這樣子我也聽了比較安心因為在包括養殖業運營的成本當中電費就佔了將近兩成至三成然後包括家禽類也是一樣包括這個小雞的孵化 恆溫的設施都需要大量的用電如果沒有辦法動漲的話勢必要轉嫁到消費者的身上轉嫁到成本 |
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那大家都最怕的就是這些價錢包括雞蛋 飆升然後這個農產品的冷藏倉儲的環節亦然如果基本民生物資都漲價了最將所有的物價都相加劇這個通膨的壓力所以這個部分 |
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非常嚴重是因為漲價 這些物價都漲了可是農民實際上他是沒有賺到如果你不把他這個價差去補貼的話 農民漁民甚至是畜牧業的農民他沒有辦法 他連這個價差他沒有不是說他好像有賺到一個價差他是反而可能他還要成本更高 然後他 |
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消費者買貴了他們反而還賠錢了這是一個非常嚴重的後果就是我們對於農業的那個優惠用電跟價差補貼的政策不會改變我們會朝這個目標就算他電量有調整的時候我們會爭取努力去爭取經費 |
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對 部長我還是想提醒您 農民不是數字上的受補對象而是真正養活我們臺灣2300萬人的人那電價的調漲是攸關整個臺灣整體的能源政策的問題但是農業漁業的用電是關係到我們臺灣整個糧食安全的問題那人與食為天 所以 |
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希望農業部要能夠扛起這個責任喔然後守護這些農民讓他們可以安心的種田安心的養殖那我非常感謝部長今天喔告訴我這麼有魄力告訴我說你願意喔價差多少就去努力爭取到 |
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補足這個價差讓農民漁民實際可以電費動漲這一點我想是一件非常好的消息那當然我接下來還想要問有關於農民職災保險的比例過低這件事情那這個訊息其實昨天我在路上遇到部長的時候我有跟部長稍微討論了一下就是說不只您是整個農業部的相關單位都能重視這個問題 |
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那農民很多都苦笑說 保農民職財保險沒用啦 根本就賠不賠償這是要保要幹什麼 真的農會也苦不堪言說 哎呀一直想要推這個農民職業災害保險 結果農民一出事情 案子送上去很多都卡關 層層卡關最後他們自己要去面對農民 一直道歉很難推動 那 |
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農民職業災害保險到現在已經推動了7年截至113年6月底投保人數是34萬人對於這個投保人數部長你滿意嗎我希望實際從事農業的現在目前實際從事農業有49萬人所以我就希望說所有實際從事農業人都能夠加保農民職業災害保險是這也是我們共同的期待那我剛剛講的故事就是為什麼 |
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我想要講的故事我提供一個不是故事是真實案例喔有好幾個那其中一個真實案例我非常難過就是有一個老農他如常的去下田結果一整天沒回家家人去找他已經倒在田中了那救護車來的時候送到醫院已經死亡了 |
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那醫院也無能為力他就是他沒有在院中死亡只好把他送回他家那送回他家再請在地的醫生來開證明那醫生怎麼寫他就寫死因是高血壓部長你知道高血壓在醫學上是慢性病是一種危險因子但是他不是可以直接作為死亡主因的診斷那我們的農民每天風吹日曬雨淋勞力沉重有可能是過勞引發的結果 |
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家屬去申請這個農民職災保險就被否決了 理由是高血壓是慢性病不能算是一種職災那部長這不是一個單一的醫療判斷問題而是整套制度在這個關鍵時刻選擇要不要去處理 要不要去承認那農民死在田裡卻沒有人去認定他是在工作中死亡喔所以這一點可不可以請部長指示一下說未來我們的農民應該怎麼做呢 |
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我跟委員說明就是當農民職業災害你要發生出險的時候他的病因必須要有因果關係那現在我們有一部分是正面表列的那正面表列相對單純那有一些不是正面表列的部分那那個東西可以用個案的部分去認定正面表列有哪一些呢 |
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這個資料我再提供給您好是不是提供給我辦公室然後第二個部分就是他如果在田裡發生那這個部分因為他已經送到醫院去了所以也能夠舉證他是在從事農業操作的時候那他可以減負一些 |
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證據那這個證據包括他的醫生判斷的那個原因那他們可以用個案的方式去去研判他的一個情況是所以本席覺得說部長你說個案我就覺得這就是您的這個這個愛心了因為呢您有愛心就好像那天我在院會我說你農業部不能只有你一個人有愛心有態度你上上下下要一致嘛假設 |
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沒有到你這個層級就沒有辦法個案處理它就是變成一個制度問題所有案子都可以個案處理就是正面表列的就可以個案處理假設沒有呢就是說我希望這個制度不能冷漠然後我們整個農業部的上上下下要能夠站在體恤農民的這種角度上那我再舉一個例子不好意思喔主席就是再一下下農民去關這個農用的戳水馬達 |
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結果死了死在他去關這個農用的抽水馬達結果他也要領職業災害保險理由被退回說因為抽水馬達不是農地所以這樣也不能准許 這個是怎麼辦呢 |
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我還是說就是說他在農業的這些操作的行為他可以去做舉證跟他的一個死因醫生的死因那這個如果沒有在正面表列的話他們就會用專案的方式去研判這個東西不是用 |
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一個一個案 就是說像非正面表列的都是用個案的方式我們有110家的方面的醫療等等可以來解釋我這樣子講啦最重要是假設以勞保作為舉例如果跟農民職業災害保險的職災保險來做死亡給付的話這個比例喔比例其實是 |
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老保可以給付的是兩倍以上所以變成說農業職業災害保險的死亡給付是過低的所以我想要提醒部長的是這個部分希望部長能夠有同理心怎麼樣你的政令表列是不是可以增加或者是其他特殊案例是不是有一些案例可以舉證讓這一些 |
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辦公的不管是你農業部的職員也好或者是這個農會的職員也好甚至是各大縣市政府或者是公所的職員也好他們有一個因應的案例讓他們有所適從能夠去協助農民而不是他問公所公所問我們怎樣 |
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還要補一補報告農業部才會知道這一點我希望部長可以做一個就是指示讓他們可以更加的仔細去把這個範例甚至他整個內容就是正面表列可以做清楚好嗎第一個部分正面表列的部分我們會持續檢討能夠納入正面表列相對單純我們就把它納進去然後不是正面表列的部分我們會用過去的這些案例能夠讓 |
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這些可能會用到的人民去了解因為很多個案就會成為一個他們非正面表列的一個判例沒錯這個判例如果可以多幾個判例讓地方上上下下大家都知道的話這樣子農民才會安心否則他去問他可能去問公所的農業課結果課員說我也不知道我也沒處理過要怎麼處理所以這一點特別拜託部長好嗎謝謝 |
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我還是說明一下 因為整個的審查核定的是勞保局的部分但是國安部一定是用服務的立場你要提供多一點要提供多一點案例 讓他可以有這個好 謝謝好 請楊秋津 楊委員謝謝主席 楊秋津發言 請主委 部長 |
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委員長 部長好我們來討論零關稅的乳品輸台那從2025年紐西蘭與台澎金馬個別關稅領域經濟合作協定全面的生效換句話說紐西蘭液態乳可以零關稅來進口那台灣不管是因氣候的變遷成本增加本土的糯糯的發展勢必會受到衝擊 |
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除了目前政府宣布未來進口液態爐它不可以標示鮮乳這也是我們上個會期大家一直努力討論的所以國產的鮮乳則必須要取得鮮乳標章CAS產銷履歷等才可以標示為鮮乳的鮮乳標章機制之外 |
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請教農業部對於因應零關稅爐品的衝擊有什麼評估如何的來保障我們本土落農有什麼機制請做說明謝謝委員關心整個的一個爐品的一個因為你現在輸入那我第一個部分先提供一個數據 |
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紐西蘭本身它零關稅以後它進來的那它過往大概是13300多噸其實它進來的品項是以薄酒乳居多薄酒乳占了70%然後30%是鮮乳這是第一件事情那第一件事情就是 |
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我們其實在面對其他的國家的鮮乳進來的乳品進來的時候一個非常重要的就是我們要讓他的品牌做區隔化所以我們針對有鮮乳標章以前是檢驗標章我們現在擺了改成證明標章有台灣鮮乳證明標章有產銷履歷 |
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由所謂的CS的部分它以後才能夠標成台灣先路這是本席剛剛跟你討論的你們目前的措施是運用這個方式在3月14號行政院命令公佈相關的這個方案所以本席要請教因為即使30%它的零關稅仍舊會衝擊到本國 |
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我們還有什麼因應的方案呢同樣的就是我們在弱農產業部分我們在生產端因為我們現在的乳品本身的乳量大概是47萬我們希望說先降下來我們先確保它的品質不要去衝那個數量所以我們針對這些寡產的乳牛做淘汰然後做牛的死亡保險 |
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那這樣的話能夠再去支撐我們的生產業的這些乳品的品質你把量減少不管你是寡產的你去給他輔導等等這也是一個方案但是實際上我們台灣的鮮乳是非常的棒 |
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我們是要怎麼樣正面積極的去協助這才是正道所以本期要跟你討論的就是說談到鮮乳在去年9月份的時候上路我們你們原先規劃農業部規劃的是4年44億元的斑斑有鮮乳的這個政策但是你因為配套不足冷冽不足配送等執行都出了狀況所以當然教育部跟你們 |
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終於呢你們也說了淪為斑斑薄酒擄的這個現象引起了社會大眾的一個爭議所以因此你在去年底行政院又喊卡倉促的來喊卡等於斑斑有鮮擄的這個政策是夭折所以部長 |
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當時這麼倉促的來喊卡那其他的縣市執行當中呢都覺得非常的錯愕但是呢台北雲嘉南屏東台中我們也都紛紛的表態地方的縣市政府表態願意置辦 |
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那同時台北市跟彰化縣也預計在下個月四月份呢要正式的開辦這個喝鮮乳那麼所以請教部長政府當時是有美意要照顧孩子非常的好讓孩子可以喝到這個牛奶 |
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日本他們也是很成功的讓我們看到的一個成功案例所以我們是不是由繼續由中央提供經費讓地方來執行成為我們台中市盧俊彥市長他也多次的跟行政院來請益我們在這邊也再一次的要向農業部為了台中市的小朋友來請願方法 |
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我們都可以協調成如我們呢你們如果把經費交給縣市政府來執行那麼每一個區都有每一個區的特色要怎麼樣因地制宜的將這個鮮乳送到我們的孩童的身上的手中我相信這是各縣市政府他能夠做的例如 |
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我們台中市都會區的學生我們可以使用數位學生證到超商去領取先爐那偏鄉的地方我們也有方案可以讓我們的孩童能夠有先爐到他的手中所以在這樣的情況之下也就是我剛剛說的每一個區的因地制宜都有方案可以去解決所以請教為我們台中市的孩童來請命那麼部長 |
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是不是你們應該將經費給縣市政府有意願要做的協助他們那做工當然當地就進來做絕對沒問題請教部長 |
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我想簡單的講就是我們當初在做停止執行的時候其實是問過了所有的縣市那因為不同縣市有不同的意見都希望說中央繼續做那後來我們發現說其實這個部分以我們現在目前了解現在全台灣至少有10個縣市正在規劃或是已經規劃完正在招標去做表示說這個政策是對的 |
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對 我非常感謝我從頭到尾都說讓我們的孩童可以喝得健康而且協助我們的懦弄這是一個很好和美意的政策我也特別舉日本也有這種成功的範例所以因此我們台中市我們也有能力這麼做甚至我們的數位學生證我們都可以就近到超商來合作因地制宜所以再一次的請教部長您是不是可以將經費原本你就有這個規劃嗎 |
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請協助我們財中市的經費照顧我們的孩童對依各縣市的需求他去規劃我們是樂見其成然後經費是由他們的縣市政府自己去籌措那特別現在財務法財務法經費分攤了以後 |
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我們其實中央的部分部長我們的總預算是史上最高啦那我們因為這個是你很好的政策四年44億你絕對有這個規劃所以我再次請你三思為了我們台中的孩童我們願意做的時候是不是我們也有方法沒有你的困難執行的困難我們可以打爆所以應該中央跟地方合作 |
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你必須要補助經費請你三思再告訴我們最後一個議題我跟你討論這很重要的美國川普關稅的新政我們知道他上任之後力推新政那力求減少美國與他國的貿易利差甚至要重新的來檢視這個關稅所以本期要請教2020年我們出口美國的農產品的產值是這個8.87億美元美國輸入我國的農產品 |
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農產品我們的產值它是多少呢是達到37.98%這個億元那美國可能對台灣產品調高關稅嗎美國跟我們的農產品的貿易它是否會有受到衝擊那麼你們評估是不是可以爭取農產品豁免或其他的應用方式 請做說明 |
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我跟委員報告第一個就是台北的貿易對美國來講是順差它本身大概是30我們的資料是37.8但是財政部是36.9不同的計算模式大約是在37.9左右所以它是順差 |
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那順差的部分那其實台美相關的貿易我們都會持續關切因為川普政府現在目前針對對等關稅的這些措施都還沒有公佈所以我們必須嚴正一旦因為他的這個新政讓世界全國都繃緊了神經我也建議我們部長務必 |
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因為以往2021年的時候政府宣布要進一步的開放美洲跟美流聲稱我們可以藉此掃除台美這個洽談的雙邊貿易也就是BTA跟FTA |
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他認為進口就可以但是到目前為止BTA、OTA都沒有在這樣的一個情況之下所以對於美國新增的農產品部分那麼我們有沒有談判的這個應對措施這是本席請教部長對我想整個部分OTN跟各個部會我們都有在研議而且隨時關注美國相關的這些動態所以我們針對 |
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無論如何我們一定是確保我們的產業的競爭力跟它的國際的競爭力這個是重點因為我們以農立國的台灣這是我們無論如何要好好的來照顧我們的農民因為整個世界的一個面向整個貿易關稅是佔了非常重要的關鍵所以也務請部長這個努力隨時應對了解謝謝 |
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部長請回 瓊英我們交換 幫你代理主席好 接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做詢討 |
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請保定好 我們再請部長各位好保定 我們現在來關心我們台灣同基層同線量的農民我想請你跟我一起追一個很悲傷 |
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也是很多這個漁民啊碰到的這個困擾我要給你看的這個個案來 下一張圖 這個是漁民業者跟政府三叔的一個漁電共生的這個案子那我們共同來努力 現在大家都急來捕破網我給你看 我們來看一下這個圖 請播下一張柏定你看 這就是 |
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這就是嘉義議長號稱我們全台灣第一個漁電共生的第一案在嘉義議長的台女漁電共生的案子你看喔這本來是很好的一個漁運嘛對不對你對農民都很了解這漁運本來很好結果為了要推動這個漁電共生他業者進去施工 你看 |
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竟然有人把那個基樁插滿在魚塭裡面這是第一個大問題嘛這怎麼養魚?怎麼縮成?第二個 上面都蓋滿了這個太陽能光電板你想三百米 三百米一定要有陽光啊文革要有陽光啊所以就起不來那業者也試著說把那個蝦子丟進去養看看也死掉了 沒有陽光啦好 那第三個問題你看看那個邊坡啊 就那個土堤 |
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寶釘你看那個土堤你是農業部長一定知道這個土一定是要用這個蓮土嘛各個業者說去用沙子的這個土地上還放離岸啊土堤怎麼會有人是傾斜的那就讓他們沖刷整個都往池塘裡面去了寶釘所以漁民就沒辦法本來要好好的漁溫本來要漁電共生嘛結果漁死了沒有漁電也沒有來所以漁民輸了 |
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政府也輸了 業者也輸 山蘇我們現在有機會來補救啦我希望這個島 你去看叫你去 你這個專家去 你也沒辦法養嘛 對不對對不對現在應該已經改善了嘛已經改善了 |
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我上禮拜還去問啊什麼改善它有一部分如果是這個積裝在外面這個目前是可以的如果有好幾個個案都是積裝在裡面的我跟委員報告喔魚電共生基本上光電的覆蓋率是40%第二件事情就是魚電共生之下的養殖的魚種根據我們水勢所 |
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他有針對不同的魚種包括蝦子包括吳郭魚大概有10種的魚種是可以適合養不是說任何的魚種一定要100%的陽光因為它是覆蓋率是40%的第三個部分是現在最重要的一個問題就是光電業者跟成豬業者跟地主之間應該有一個更好的一個互動 |
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那農業部現在在積極的去推動就是由專業的養殖的青農來在光電的規劃的一開始就進去去協助做最適當的光電的設置規劃以前不是以前是光電業者自己隨便蓋然後他不會養他就養其他的專業養殖者那個都是應付的啦 |
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那個保定你要繼續努力啦不過不要紙上談兵我今天跟你談的是很具體我們非常努力去做這個我今天跟你講這個案子是這個案子目前在你的農業部在種材它已經被嘉義縣政府因為沒辦法養嘛 |
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所以他已經被農業 被嘉義縣政府已經取消了他這個容許那個許可耶一直整個都停擺啊我先講一下這個案子現在就是處理那一區的部分對 現在就是這個案子嘛 這個案子大可憐 你知道嗎現在業者台米是跟這個漁民求償多少錢 你知道嗎 |
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一億三千四百五十萬耶這都沒幾四年嘛 他們一千萬要求償一億三千四百五十萬這有沒有很嚴重他說沒辦法睡覺第二個對業者來講台里的說啊我當初政府你要有做這個一定工生嘛 對不對所以我才投入這麼多錢啊所以現在變成三書啊我記得要求很明確第一個這個案子很嚴重這個媒體報了好多次了上禮拜還在報嘛 |
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我請部長你們要完全掌握我下去考察的時候你們的市長是有去的這個案子第一個你們現在在種材莊第一個他已經是一個荒廢狀態現在打官司跟討論的過程我拜託你一件事情你們農業部不能騎公車看賣相談 |
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你們要照顧農民嘛好不好盡快進行這個普破王來著急你只要把這個看要怎麼去改善對不對讓魚可以繼續養我剛才說了這四個大缺失都是有辦法可以改善的改善完不要再求償 |
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我跟委員報告這個案場現在我所知道的訊息是已經改善完整已經在放養泰國蝦了那至於說台泥跟那個城駐的農民之間的關係那這個東西我想我們會站在客觀的立場去因為農民因為這是個案不是全案個案的部分他跟台泥之間的要求然後台泥去求賞我相信會牽涉到一些 |
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私人的事情啦那我想我們會去了解然後如果說是針對農民是有理的部分我想我們一定會站在協助的角度要去照顧我們基層這些農民啦這個不是只有這個案子這個案例已經撤回訴訟了 |
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有撤回訴訟已經撤回訴訟那很好那你們要更進一步要協調他們最理想的就是可以讓他重新有魚嘛沒有現在已經改了要改好你們都去關心他們那事實上我實地界考察也不是只有這個案子碰到問題旁邊那個插滿機裝的有幾個漁民都在陳情現在請那個部長跟那個農業部好不好你們去第一個 |
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去關心他們他們碰到問題幫他們解決第二個我知道你們這個定型這個企業啦其實一開始只要出現這樣的問題他就那個企業本身定的那個內容啊漁民都看漁民看不到嘛對不對所以你後來你有把定型化這個企業你再去輔導他你們要下去一不小心關心你們把這個企業跟他們輔導一下就是說你一定要去落實要照顧好自己的潛力好不好 |
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我想我非常重要就是 報仰的那個光電的一些比較混亂的地方那我們在內部已經重新調整我們會以更積極的服務的態度去協助而不是說只提供土地的變更或者土地的容許啦那其他的是由光電業者跟農民自己來啦我想我們會用更積極的輔導作為去做 |
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我們積極一點 給農地關心啦因為要幫他們解決問題 特別有講定型化企業那個好好做好不好另外我問一下 剛才其實有其他立委問到了就是婚齡 管政部所講他說剛講的是漁電共生嘛 現在是農地 農電共生這個問題好像一個婚齡嘛 超過五千名的農民 面臨他的農保可能要退保 |
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我跟委員報告我覺得有一些媒體下錯標了而且是惡意的下標就是針對老農針對洋套殺 |
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年紀超過65歲的他農保可以不需要持有土地所以這個部分是完全百分之百沒問題超過65歲以上的老農沒有那個0.1公頃對沒有這個已經解開了所以65以上解決那65以下呢所以沒有老農養套差這些問題我必須要澄清所以65歲以下呢65歲以下的話我們今天業務有提出來一個調整作為 |
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你如果配合國家的能源政策你提供這些土地出租以後那我們會鬆綁讓他繼續維持有農保的資格所以你當初是要下令各個縣市在前面去做這個清查我跟議員報告農保的清查是一直在做的而不是特別清查然後這次會發文是因為省紀部在做後台勾擊的時候他覺得有一些 |
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一律要釐清不是說那些人就全部違規他說一律要釐清然後要我們盡速的去釐清所以我們在做這樣的一個處理那另外一個就是我想有委員要求我們說我們都放任光電的農民都還可以繼續有農保也要求我們去清查所以我們才同步去清查的這個是有史以來歷年來最大規模的農保資格清查要讓我們農民可以安心好不好 |
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所以部長你剛講65歲以上的放心然後以下的怎麼讓他們可以放心這個要進一步清清楚楚的說明對我們已經非常清楚而且我們後續會盡快的修改相關的辦法然後最近我想我們也會發文先請縣市政府暫停暫停光電的部分光電的部分我們有一些調整暫行清查這個很重要你說會先 |
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發文給各個縣市政府光電的農地這個部分我想我們先暫時因為我們要修改他們的辦法部長我最後做三點這個結論第一個對於過往有實際務農這個狀況可是他不管是在漁電共生或者是農電共生你要審定標準如果沒有達到的盡量往放寬的方向去走好不好保住他們這個農保的這個資格我們是說這個對他們很重要 |
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重寬 重寬 啊第二個 給你通通就是定型化這個企業啦你針對這個 我的瞭解是這個漁電共生啊 已經有幾個版本一直在修定型化企業了農地 農電共生好像還沒有對不對我們沒有開 沒有開齁那你要跟經濟部討論一下啊 可以比照漁電共生趕快嗎沒有 我農地不開 |
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7327.872 |
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農地不開光電他們有些農地你不是已經都在做太陽能總沒有農地變更農地變更土地變更以後就做的你說變更完了就是如果有農地或者是農民他做了這個 |
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他要去跟業者要合作,做我們的國家政策我們不同意,農地我們現在不同意農地,那你現在有某些農地我們現在是漁電,然後那個溫室的溫室栽培的屋頂可以像你剛才說的,你們這些人當地的問題,這些農民你應該要怎麼去幫他,你就應該給他一個沒有,就是漁電的部分是沒問題的然後現在在屋頂型的也沒問題這個我們都可以來處理,但是 |
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7384.855 |
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那個陸地的光電設施我們目前並沒有開沒有開放嘛我說如果有些農民碰到這個問題你要去幫他們解決啦好不好要多一點輔導多一點多一點協助好最後一個針對這個農民跟養殖這個漁民啊如果配合政府的農電共生跟漁電共生政策可是後來這個土地發生了像剛剛在講的污染啦埋了什麼廢棄物啦環境改變或者是什麼電廠設計跟施工你導致他根本就沒辦法再種農或者務農或者是養殖的時候 |
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搞不好後來導致他連那個農民的身份都被取消嘛或者一定時間裡面都沒辦法從事欸你還說這個很可憐喔結果有時候還被業者回過頭來要去求償他我請也算拜託啦也要求農業部這我硬要做的齁我可以報告過往就是齁 |
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地主租了以後他根本不去看現場光電就被亂蓋了現在我們希望說在蓋的規劃的時候我們這些養殖的青龍就要一起去設計然後去看他的施工會不會有影響他的汙染影響後續的養殖這個部分我們會做 |
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你們不用清農而已啦 包括老農中農都一樣啦所以農民都要 尤其是年紀越大了可能他那個法律上的那個錢他比較沒有這個經驗嘛所以我一外面是要求 一外面是拜託農業部一定拜託一下 一定要做這個事情就是要多幫幫他們啦所以包括他們可能有時候被人家求償被餓死你們要站在農民的這個角度跟他們立場多保護他們 多照顧包括 請 保證在剛才的案件一樣 |
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去幫他們協商好不好都照顧我們的農民你現在不是只有一邊化解那個酋長這個問題然後盡量如果說他們受到不利的侵害有時候錯在業者對不對業者比較強大嘛都幫幫我們這個漁民跟農民自己應該有權利好不好這三點請具體的落實好不好好 謝謝 |
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7466.763 |
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7477.767 |
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好 謝謝我們張祺凱委員非常感謝因為我們經濟委員會大家都是非常的以農為主好好的討論政策那我們現在休息 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7494.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7494.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
謝謝大家的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7522.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7523.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7544.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
嗯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
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它是一艘飞船的一艘飞船 |
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哇,就是一點啊 |
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7610.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
休息中 |
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7638.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
謝謝你謝謝你謝謝你謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7670.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7670.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
7699.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7718.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
大力的全面力行就是放寬那個努力的那個補給其實也是全面努力沒有沒有 它變成你六十五歲以下你就算沒有努力你只要是給公司沒有沒有沒有以前是六十五歲以下也是少要積極工作要努力的那時候你還會繼續沒有 那個六五一五那時候是很少製作的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我知道我知道,我是說65歲以下,65歲以下,剛剛彭博士已經介紹過講了,彭博士可能會長大,他等於是說,我做,他就說他可能會長大幾歲,那我實際上做,我如果說沒有達到彭博士的第一名,那還是可以去學彭博士的啊? |
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對,對,對可是,哪一個兩隻吃得好吃啊?我記得是這個對啦,但是它就不再受一分地的那個限制其實蠻誇張的哈哈,好意思就是以前不是說紅地要紅用嗎?是啦 |
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因為它那個是乳電工具,它不是全部就變燈掉的要乳電工具所以還是要養,還是要養才可以但是,怎麼樣都覺得好像很好?乳濃的促膽大概很多人都喜歡它法是促膽我覺得當地人都是放餐的地方 |
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不需要快遞到農保 它還是要農對 但不在收納至少快遞的限制可是實際從事農業的實際從事農業一定要實際申請農產 要實際申請農產只是我們的不耕地是在農保的辦法裡農保大法不耕地 它現在是說它可能不受農保不耕地的情況是 它經常講說不受不耕地的限制但是農業的元素還是要在農場所以它是選擇要到農場去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
這個農曆農用跟農曆剛講農用鎮那個文化可是你剛剛講過這個就是農曆農用 |
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7849.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
7851.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
7868.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
7869.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
7888.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
謝謝大家收看 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
7917.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
7921.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
你是不是有什麼基本費不算,然後營業費不算,還有幾個? |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
7941.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
7967.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
對,然後再跟他請完就是台店上來就跟他請,要不然也要買禮物他給你寄上寄出,寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子上來就給你寄上寄到房子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
7969.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
我們有編70751 |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
7986.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我去問一下 請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8018.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8018.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
YES! |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
8041.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8051.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
我干嘛就会找事情做来呀 什么 这次很不错这次是一个很厉害的机会今天是一个很厉害的机会今天是一个很厉害的机会今天是个好机会 |
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8071.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8072.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
嗯嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8097.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8101.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
這張照片的主要目的就是為了提供更多的資訊和資訊提供更多的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8121.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8124.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
如果全部都退款然後訂一份 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8884.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8904.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
好 那我們繼續開會 接下來是請鄭天才委員發言主席 各位有請部長好 請部長 陳部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8930.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
部長好,非常謝謝,辛苦了我們上次針對野生動物保育法已經修正了但是還有一個法,跟原住民族基本法19條有關係的原住民族基本法第19條 |
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8932.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8954.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
這個第三款第二款採集野生植物這個部分那這個是原住民族基本法所規定的既以傳統文化既以跟這個自用為限那我們原住民族第七有它的定義這個都已經核定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8983.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
好我们看森林法第15条现行的条文森林位于原住民族传统领域土地原住民族传统领域土地这个原住民族基本法第19条是原住民得在原住民族地区原住民族地区所以这个第15条必须第一个要修正为 |
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8984.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8997.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
原住民族传统利益要修正为原住民族第七第二个要修正的就是要增加自用自用非盈利的自用所以这个部分呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
特別跟部長還有署長也都知道了這個之前我都是透過協調透過解釋解釋都已經用了那現在就是法要修了這個原住民主基本法今年正好已經實施20年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
20年了所以本席有提案了這個委員會有安排審查的時候這個就請農業部能夠支持好不好 |
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謝謝委員我跟委員報告就是原住民地區如果說各縣市有劃出來的時候我們一定會配合去修正我們是現在是用原住民傳統領域嘛那相對的就是說各縣市如果沒有劃出來的時候那變成說你法如果只寫原住民地區的時候那認定就有困難這樣那個我來說明第一個 |
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原住民族第七都已經經過行政院核定了好那核定的就沒問題了第一個行政院都核定了是這第一個第二個現在的試用已經用原住民族第七了是這是透過我去協調之後當時的農委會跟延民會這樣的話我想我們可以配合修法對所以所以這個不過這個我們可以配合來修法經濟委會有安排的時候請農業部能夠支持好 |
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接下來就跟林業署沒有關係了那個農業保險法109年5月27號公布施行110年1月1號施行這個是一個非常好而且重要的一個法例 |
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那农业保险法第十条也规定主管机关得对要保人保保保农业保险之保险费予以补助也就是这个农业部予以补助这补助的比例本法施行后五年内 |
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以75%為上限施行後第6年起以60%為上限所以會降低降低了15%所以呢現在114年了第6年就是明年了所以這個部分我們要積極的第一個要積極的去 |
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推動先導讓農民能夠知道這個部分因為現在比例還是有限了113年度土保 |
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26.9萬件所以這個面積只有23.4萬公頃所以還有很大的空間所以這個部分然後第一個要積極的加先導第二個也必須思考一下子從百分之補助75%變成60%所以這個部分是一個很大的一個落差部長是不是 |
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要去怎麼樣去因應好 謝謝委員的關心那第一件事情就是農業保險現在目前有28個品項44張保單那我在內部討論的時候我要求是我們農業保險的要重視那個品質而不是衝那個數量所以我們現在目前在重新檢討我們的保單的內涵 |
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也是因為保墩的內涵調整以後希望能夠讓更多的農民了解以後去加入啦所以這個部分我想我們會積極來做第二點就是我們現在的保費的補助大概都是雖然說法規有定上限是75%但是我們現在的保費的補助大概是50%並沒有超過50%除了那個政策型保險以外像租资保險那個部分有提高到100%以外那其他的部分我們都是用50% |
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因為我們台灣天然災害各式各樣所以這個部分是需要去加強這是第一個第二個也請農業部這邊原住民到底具有原住民身份的投保的也統計一下 |
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我想我們會另外拉出來就是有關於原住民投保的那上次我想委員一直關心那我們也會持續的在原住民部落那邊去宣導好這個部分另外就是說這個今年開始推動這個糧食產業前面升級計畫開放繳售供糧者得投保水稻收入加長期保險保障所有稻 |
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農因天然災害或其他事故產生產量的損失這個部分要去積極的去推動好不好報告就是因為那個水稻的部分的保險我們的截止是到三月底啦那三月底我們現在看起來投保率有提高啦那到三月底的時候我想得到一個比較正確的數字的時候再提供給委員的參考好 謝謝那另外就是說上次 |
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也特別有關這個原住民參加農民退休儲金這個統計的數字這個是112年的後來有請你們去跟人民會然後你們也要請那個農會農會來去推動所以這個部分也把新的數字提供出來好不好 |
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在113年8月那個時候委員在關心的時候大概是801人那到目前我經過我們直接到部落去宣導以後現在已經有增加大概60人左右我想我們持續會努力你把那個數字提供好然後繼續努力好謝謝謝謝好謝謝曾委員謝謝部長謝謝接下來請謝一鳳委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我想要請我們陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長我想請教一下就是現在目前美國正在對各國進行關稅的談判那我想要請問因為2024年我們外銷美國的農產品總額只有8.87億但是美國農產品輸入我國的總額是37.98億美元 |
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那這個逆差是美國輸我們的多那還多了四倍之多所以如果美國認為就是這個豬肉進口的稅率目前我們訂定的是12.5%他們認為太高的話那要我們調降那有沒有因應的手段 |
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我跟委員報告就是川普政府的對等關稅的一個政策他現在目前並沒有實際公布哪一些他的真正的措施跟作為但是我們農業部已經持續在關心那農業部農業的產品的部分就像委員所說的對美國來講是粗糙他並不是一個逆差貿易逆差是用全台灣的產品所以對農業部來講比較好的一個 |
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一個就是對美國來講是順差那第二個部分就是我們現在要處理的就是美國的平均關稅是5.0台灣的農產品平均關稅是16.6但是這16.6本身如果你用貿易的平均 |
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就是貿易加權平均的話大概是9%左右啦所以我想我們會持續去關切目前川普釋出的這些訊息而且我們也會配合政府OTN一致性的這些跟美國去做一個有效的溝通 |
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但是美國貿易代表所他發表的年度貿易障礙報告裡面我們台灣的農產品貿易品項有稻米美牛美豬等就是常被他們認為他們有貿易障礙的點名我們應該廢除美牛禁令等非關稅貿易障礙 |
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所以未來如果關稅的清單上除了關稅以外還要我們排除美牛禁令的這樣子的非關稅的貿易障礙的時候你們因應的手段是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告就是基本上我們在對美本身的一個主要的態度就是相對的在個別品項裡面在去談的時候我認為 |
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以豬肉來講其實豬肉將近88%到90%是國產豬肉因為國內的消費習性都是以溫體豬為主特別是溫體豬大概63%是進到我們的傳統市場所以應該對我們國內的豬肉是要有信心的然後10%左右它是由其他國家進口那其他國家裡面美國進來的比例我記得非常低大概只有2到3左右而已所以這個部分我想我們會持續關切它的 |
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他的動向我們會不會有手段我們有沒有辦法拿出手段來有沒有辦法拿出政策來以農業部來講我們一定會持續去加強我們的國內的豬產業的升級我們過去四年投入了將近100億到128億左右因為有些是移動性的跨年度的所以我們的豬本身的生產效率也提高了所以本身的競爭力是逐漸的浮現 |
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那相對的如果美國的進口的時候他是在那個10%裡面不同的國家在搶那個單子所以我們會持續的關切那如果他要求我們呢要求我們排除相關的障礙呢例如有可能是希望我們在學校的那個校園的餐點裡面不得禁用相關的食品 |
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你問到這個問題就不是農業部可以回答的不過以農業部來講我們一定從產業端去提供一個優質的一個產品為目標 |
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如果啦 如果即便如此那美國對於台灣我們重點出口的對美輸出的農產品的品項例如蝴蝶蘭 吳郭魚 虱目魚 毛豆等他如果再進口關稅採取差別稅率那會不會影響到台灣農產品進口到美國的競爭力那未來我們政府怎麼樣協助農民做營運 |
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我跟委員報告像蝴蝶蘭花它是零關稅那如果關稅它提高因為對等關稅就是它要求我們降低或是它提高但是它提高其實對它的國內是沒有用的那我們在這個方面的因應其實蝴蝶蘭是一個接力生產它不是直接把花送到美國去賣所以它接力生產的過程中我們會透過這些接力生產的不同階段的種苗去做一個有效的調度第二個就是 |
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川普政府不只是對台灣對等關稅的一個處理他對其他的競爭對手國我們對美國的蝴蝶洋最大的競爭對手國是荷蘭所以荷蘭如果同樣的去調高關稅的時候那其實大家在同等的關稅之下台灣還是有競爭力的所以要看他會不會對荷蘭調高對對其他的國家所以我們會持續去關切川普政府的一個對等關稅的一個整個的處理情形 |
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還有我們在那個調整台電調整費率的時候有沒有他有可能就已經2024年他調整費率說他要取消對於社福學校農業等的優惠電價那由該事業主管機關編列預算動長電價那這個部分農業部有沒有辦法爭取台電不要調整農業用電的費率 |
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我跟委員報告在去年台電調降的時候早期是台電那邊去處理去吸收嘛那現在從去年開始就是由各主管機關就農業部他調降了以後我們就配合他的調降我們對農民的用電 |
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的一個輔導跟協助政策是不變的所以當他上市調降了以後我們編列的24.26億本來是25點多億後來因為三減的關係24.26億那有一部分是做他的一個 |
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那個用電的優惠包括它的基本用電離封尖峰的用電的優惠那另外一個部分是處理它的那個電費上漲的價差補貼這個我們都會去處理如果這一次的電費有所調整的話我想我們政策不變我們還是會積極的去向政府還是從就是變預算補貼而不是你不會去要求台電要對於農業的用電費率就是不要予以動長嗎 |
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我想以農業部的立場就是我們的目標就是希望這個電費不會造成農民的一個增加負擔嘛所以農業部一定會盡可能的去尋找財源來協助農民 |
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尤其是當我們有可能面臨到就是美國的對於我們的相關的稅率有可能增加的時候那如果我們又在就是電費的方面這樣就是農業電費的話我覺得對於農民的整體的衝擊可能太大那未來農業部也要進一步儘快因應喔好不好我想非常謝謝委員的關心因為委員也一直非常關心農業那這個部分我想我們跟委員的態度是一樣的我們一定用盡全力來協助我們的產業的發展 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝謝委員 謝謝陳部長 謝謝接下來請李玉玲委員發言謝謝主席 請陳部長好 請陳部長委員長 |
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部長這個月在台北發生了比特犬有二度咬人的事件那市主也有受到這個管理不當的部分開罰了20萬元但是我們看到我們2022年的3月1號就比特犬就列為禁止飼養了 |
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禁止飼養的所以我們希望他們可以用整個管理上來做登記跟決議的部分而且被查的這個比特犬現在目前雖然禁養但是現在還有3974隻那但是 |
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這三千多隻的話 你有沒有去落實去管理 那就很重要所以還看到會發生了這個比特權咬人事件 甚至還有被咬死孩童的這個案例喔 那我請問部長 這個是不是你們要再加嚴管理加嚴來懲罰 |
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這個事件凸顯了寵物的分級分類管理的重要這第一個第二個部分就是針對有公共安全危險的這些寵物事實上我們會陸續的去公告那以比特權來講就像您說的將近4000隻本身是列管的而且我們已經有很明確的規範 |
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當你一旦被列管的時候這些寵物如果要帶出門的時候第一個你的牽引繩的成據你要戴口罩而且要有成年人因為有時候力量太大一定要有成年人陪伴有這些規範之下你如果違反的時候所以這要加強管理嘛對我們會加強管理怎麼樣去教育跟訓練我覺得我們現在很多寵物我們 |
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在動保室裡面我們有一個專案一直要去強調事主的責任因為事主的責任如果落實的時候我相信後面的很多包括這種動物的咬人的事情或者是流浪犬的問題那個問題就可以簡化對 就在動保法裡面我們就要加強規範像它出入公眾場所牠的這個牽繩這牽繩距離1.5公尺你要有牽繩 |
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甚至他出去外面如果這狗狗他未來他是很兇猛的話你看到很多的話還有嘴巴會加個套子對不對以防他會去咬人嘛這些都必須要有加強規範那所以我們也希望說我們在 |
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部長你這邊很多的條例我們就要在我們中央統一來規範你不能丟給地方政府用地方自治法去做這樣子的話有些地方還是沒有規範到那我們桃園對於這個牽繩的部分我們桃園是統一規定你只要帶到戶外公眾場所都要有牽繩那其他地方還是沒有那部長 |
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要不要統一來規範我跟委員報告剛才我講的就是說他出入公共場所裡面的基本規範都已經在動保法裡面有規範了現在全國都要對都要而且是地方政府的落實度你說的動保法有事現在你們規範還沒有實施只是你們送進去行政院而已嗎沒有沒有這個動保法有規有危險的犬隻已經在動保法裡面有規定了 |
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其他的犬隻也會有啊對 相對的就是 我想剛才說的當然危險的有 但沒有危險的不曉得牠什麼動作萬一說行人啊 那個用路人牠有受到威脅啊騎腳踏車 狗仔追牠的時候牠也會跌倒這些都還是要用牽繩來規範的我想第一個部分齁就是 |
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因為犬隻本身有危險性的或比較沒危險性的喔我們在這個動物的分級寵物的分級分類裡面就是因為有分級部長你不要說危險性的比特犬牠可能說肌肉比較強比較咬合力比較大牠是危險性的但是你說沒有危險性也不一定喔像很多我們民眾的投訴裡面就有很多流浪狗還是狗隻會追人用路的人被追騎腳踏車也被追小孩子回家也被咬 |
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這些情形都一再的在發生所以我們是不是應該統一要規範說不只說是危險性的一般的只要你事主都有負責管理的責任你沒有教育好 管理好 |
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就會發生這種問題嗎非常同意委員的意見我剛才說的在動保法裡面針對危險的選擇已經有規範了然後您剛才注重的就是除了危險選擇以外其他的選擇也有可能發生那當時在動保法的時候也有把它列進去後來在委員討論的時候被不是您啦被一些委員把它拿掉了 |
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可是部長你忘了你在2023年4月的時候修正的版本送到行政院的這有一個有四個的層面你們都有提進去一個就是事主的這個責任還有就是對管理我們的動物的這個利用跟虐待的傷害還有一個就是對於寵物產業的管理跟我們檢察員的執法四個層面你都送到行政院那所以說我們要統一規範的話 |
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那行政院你們已經送進去了2023年4月送進去去年的這個8月份也呈報這行政院什麼時候你要送進來立法院我想那個行政院審議完了以後我們一定會第一時間送進去年到現在已經兩年了 |
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2023年到2024年到2025年已經兩年了什麼時候每次問部長你這個事情的時候你都叫年底年底年底不了了是過了兩年了很抱歉因為行政院的審議的時候他有不同的法案在審理我們會那你有去了解嗎需要你解釋的需要修正的你們都可以再送啊 |
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最重要就是說我們一定是行政院審議我會拜託行政院能夠優先來審議那有什麼時間什麼時間要送進來立法院我問了以後再跟委員回覆好不好我現在不敢隨便講比較重要的我跟委員報告比較重要的是在因為法院法案在審查之後還有一些時程在這個空窗期的時候兩年了對在這個空窗期的時候我們可不可以用一些指引的方式去對地方政府去做傳達 |
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是 所以在這邊我要跟部長再三的強調就是說這個部分不要讓各地各地方政府自己去決定地方自治去決定我們應該統一在中央有一個一套的這個規範出來這樣子的話民眾在飼養他的動物的時候他可以用教育他或者訓練他或者加強管理如果說管理不當的情形之下我們要再加強嚴懲而且 |
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我們的統一的規範也希望你們早日公佈 讓我們動保法可以去執行 |
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了解 我們一起努力接下來我們要請問的就是因為美國在4月份提出這個對等關稅的部分在對等關稅的話也把我們國家列到骯髒15國裡面也就是整個經濟貿易的這個有逆差順差這個情形的發生的話那我們特別提到的就是我們農漁業這個部分農業我們台灣的進口 |
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是比出口的這個多所以在黃小玉的出口是原物料那台灣像美國出口的這個加工農產品的話在2024年來講的話台灣對美國這個農業貿易的利差將近了29億的美元所以美國會不會對我們的對等關稅裡面加強我們的關稅 |
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我想根據川普的對外的釋出的訊息他的對等關稅的完整的措施是在4月2號他會公布那這個期間其實我們政府在OTN的協助之下我們也做了相關的盤點對農業來講一個比較好的地方是對美國農產貿易我們對他們來講是順差是順差然後接下來就是說這些關稅本身它是一次性的還是個別性的去談 |
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所以部長都要去了解我們持續的去了解去關心但是目前我想我們還是積極的在輔導我們的產業升級跟轉型最重要一點就是任何的後續的調整一定要去維持我們產業的競爭力本席會在這邊提醒部長的話就是我們擔心的是美國為了說這個農產品這個關稅來做誘因邀請我國放寬對於美國的豬肉跟牛肉還有萊克多巴胺的成分的標準 |
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像調整這個下降這個標準甚至於讓那個美牛這個高風險的部位的強制來扣關影響國人的健康這一點請農業部一定要堅守好不好我想我們以農業部來講我們會積極的輔導我們國內的豬肉的一個供應而且台灣的習性相信百分之九十百分之八十八到百分之九十左右都是用國產肉的部分這個部分我想我們 |
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不要因為我們的農漁業的這個關稅給我們一些減免的或者是免生關稅的這個誘因你就犧牲國人的健康這個是很重要的 請部長一定堅守謝謝李委員 謝謝陳部長 謝謝好 接下來我們請陳昌明委員發言 |
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首先有請我們農業部我們的陳部長 |
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委員長陳部長好我常常講我們農業部還有國華會的業務報告寫得非常好你們的業務報告我都把這拿了三本要珍藏起來今年我就要看你們的業務報告值得肯定但是這裡面我第一個要請教你的問題 |
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你在AU報告裡面寫114年度總預算增加63.1億是為了照顧農民為了升級產業為了守護生命財產的安全 |
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這裡面又包括了三大項國土保安與基礎建設第二個產業升級第三個農民福利與生活那我今天我也要藉此機會特別感謝我們以前的水保局現在的農村發展使 |
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還有我們的林務局 現在林務局從山上到丘陵地大概做的我們算是作為肯定跟滿意但是我們的產業發展史理事長大概是6月份就要退休了這幾年我借這個機會先表達我怕沒有機會 我不曉得你什麼時候退休 |
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我只要跟你說這樣,你知道我的用意在哪裡嗎?增加63.1億,沒有3億算,不要亂講 |
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那這裡面有談到整體性的治山防災計畫農地重劃區基礎建設的升級計畫還有重劃區緊急融入設施改善這個計畫 |
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我希望要持續進行我們的龍水市蔡市長很努力跟我跑的苗栗跑了好幾次你大概了解到我們需要改進的地方我們 |
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水保農村發展室上山下海跟我去調查做了大概不錯的一個成績出來繼續努力繼續幫忙雖然要退休了我再次鼓勵你把任務完成一下維持長期這樣保證要給我們支持嗎? |
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第一個就是,不只是苗栗啦,全台灣的產業有關的,我們一般都支持啦我把我任務做好,工作做好,拜託,全力的支持,好不好你在說的齁,你算算看哪一樣沒有支持啊我都有支持,我就是特別感謝你嘛,再加強一次,因為你很實在 |
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這裡面也可以看出來你很用心你在裡面農民福利遺書裡面農業用電的優惠及動價動漲的差額你已經準備好了大概你有先知之明衛福先知這是去年漲價的部分很多委員都問了這個問題我今天就不問了寫下來有63.5億的增加我相信你是很好運作的好不好 |
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好 再來啊你說三檢預算的影響三檢項目過度集中行政機關運作受影響那媒體政策及業務宣導會通算60我不曉得有沒有自行調整但是在這安裝上我來跟你請教一下只要是對著農業部的1450今年你要辛苦一下 |
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把你所有的文宣會用或是怎樣的媒體的政策也給我們一目了然在只要針對1450因為1450給農業部背了很大的黑鍋可以從此改洗一下我們沒有1450我們這樣的錢也做出好的成績出來 |
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謝謝委員說1450對農業部來講是一個黑鍋其實農業部非常多的業務是需要透過宣導的主席請我講久一點 還沒談到主席不要馬上站起來好 繼續我現在要請教你一個問題 我覺得很奇怪非洲滋潤防疫宣導你們的報告裡面說飛機進來的時候要去宣導 要花錢嘛 |
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我現在問這個問題給你我覺得我每次坐飛機回來的時候有在飛機上廣播一下有聽跟沒有聽這個要特別注意您說的365天都要先到這裡面花了多少錢外國的飛機台灣的飛機國家的政策叫他來講你告訴我這個理由我怎麼會接受這個是政策可以強迫航空公司我們不要付錢 |
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我跟委員報告 航空公司的功課很貴耶對 這樣很貴喔 這樣我們再給他收集 我們的國家要不就領 台灣要不就領這個裡面 包括登記多少錢進來都是在那個宣傳單裡面只講了幾句話 飛機下來講了幾句話 要花那麼多的錢台灣也是太弱了嘛 說你是...這一點不用付錢 |
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你們一定要去談判我只舉一個例子所以在媒體政策及AO先導通商的部分切實這邊再改進一下艱苦一下訓練自己一下好不好不要說一算三了三件已經成為事實了但是裡面很多必須要做的事情我們還是會努力的去達到是必要的大家有必要我再來講 |
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你的補治農業特別收入基金3.9千萬農業特別基金有農業發展基金、農業天然栽培補進、農業進口兼職補治金一共總共的金額多少611億 |
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10870.495 |
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六八十一億好 六八十一億九千萬一個基金三千萬啊你就喊還缺啊沒有沒有沒有 我要跟委員報告齁基金公務撥補基金雖然刪了九千萬非常少但是刪了以後因為預算法的關係以後基金如果超支不能用第二立法基金 |
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你這個3個基金在調我們沒有任何災害都同時來的好不好我告訴你沒有辦法好不好我告訴你沒有 特別是天然災害就有基金喔你現在再放一個3個基金裡面 你看怎樣去調整嘛好不好我跟你們報告 那基金也要調來調去喔因為你老實講 我不跟你計較這個很重要耶不跟你爭論啦不跟你爭論再來 |
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我跟委員報告要委員集齊啦因為天然災害救助基金去年多撥補了40億我知道我知道 我有看過資料題啦 不然高清環就喊喊救啦高清環影響的是動用第二預備金啦國內理運會通商二十 國外的理運會這個我確實 |
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三個比較需要我去協調我幫你協調可以自行調整你一定可以自行調整你現在當了部長看你回答我今天看你回答非常的深入 |
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10954.766 |
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我們要為成功想辦法不要為失敗找藉口我從來不會為失敗找藉口我們只是重現出一些事實 |
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10962.248 |
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10979.328 |
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陳先生我是這樣簡單講那個站起來了好像我講的有批評到的就站起來不會啦不會給我再三分鐘好不好謝謝你站起來我就緊張我以為有批評你我要恭喜你 |
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你們這次裡面有一個很大的成就就是關於口蹄疫的口蹄疫的話WOH五月份就要決定了要辭職營這花了24年的結果拔針終於要成功了好不好有沒有信心成功口蹄疫答 |
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口蹄疫已經飛疫區了飛疫區到五月份才能公正報告沒有 那個是傳統豬瘟豬有三個疫病一個是肺痘豬瘟一個是口蹄疫一個是傳統豬瘟傳統豬瘟是最困難的我們花了四年而且是大家一起努力的結果已經通過了還是五月份才通過 |
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沒有,它的科學委員會已經正式的通過建議大會那五月份是WHO的大會,大會會正式的宣布這表示台灣的努力啦台灣的製作是有名的但是現在市場也被列入了差不多固守本位再加公平多多加油來照顧我們這些養殖的一個農民好不好會,我們會努力 |
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好不好 實在很多話要跟你請教 仔細又站起來了我不好意思再批評了 以後不給我講話謝謝陳董議員 謝謝陳部長謝謝 謝謝兩位 謝謝好 接下來我們請汪小林委員發言謝謝主席 有請部長好 請陳部長 |
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我想這個從民進黨政府執政以來台海的關係越來越緊張尤其賴清德總統在3月13號又公布了這個所謂賴17條將中國定位為境外敵對勢力那麼昨天美國的戰略暨國際研究中心簡稱CSIS他稱 |
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中共如果願意的話今天就能夠對台封鎖隔離並且揭露共軍圍台的四個步驟其中之一就是會切斷貿易阻擋商船跟貨船的靠近而我們知道其實台灣96%的能源以及70%的糧食都是靠進口所以在此本席想要請教請問部長 |
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你们在去年的时候其实在国防外交委员会就曾经有做过一个报告就是如果说万一这个解放军封锁台湾那你们会怎么样的来维持台湾的粮食安全那报告里面有提出就现在的当时的国内的公粮糙米的库存可以供应七个月以上请问现在呢现在此时此刻我们的 |
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現在大概也是目前是5.5個月然後等採收以後又會上升到大概8個月到9個月左右所以我們一般為時是8個月到12個月之間是 我想在這裡要提醒部長一件事情如果按照美國戰略及國際研究中心的說法 |
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隨時隨地都有可能這個台灣立刻就被封鎖所以我們的糧食安全就是我們的儲備糧食應該要達到什麼樣的標準5.5個月夠嗎我想整個的糧食儲備我們沒有辦法等到8月份的時候等到稻米採收啊 |
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沒有 我想我們剛才講的公糧是大概5.5個月的部分但是那純粹只是公糧那還有民糧的部分所以兩個加起來可以維持到一年那第二個部分我要跟委員報告的就是我們在針對糧食安全的儲備的時候會依照它的風險的情境而有不同的設計那像 |
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這些風險的情境不只是戰爭更重要就是我們當我們遇到一些砸害的時候我們必須要去處理而且不只是稻米所以好所以按照就是部長您的說法就說其實台灣跟現在大陸關係沒有那麼緊張這個發生戰爭的風險不高 |
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所以我們的糧食安全的準備會根據不同的風險去做相關的因應措施然後這些風險除了戰爭以外可能的引起以外還有一些天然災害還有一些重大災害所造成的影響 |
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那這個部分我想我們都會有一些準備當然我們現在要講那個極端的狀況就是除了就是發生天然災害之外這是不可測的那麼另外就是萬一有緊急發生戰爭的狀況的時候到底農糧署的準備如何 |
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依照現在經濟部所定班的民生必需品短缺時期的配給配售辦法裡面其實各個縣市政府都應該要開設配售站來實施這個10米的配售作業請問一下部長現在供應站配售站 |
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有沒有你們已經有規劃了相關的設置地點嗎我想我們從我們的公糧倉庫到到所有的配售站到配售的發放站其實我們這個部分其實有一個非常完整的規劃而且我們也做相關的演練去做這樣的一個情況所以你們這些配售站有公告相關地點有讓民眾現在就知道你們的規劃嗎我們現在是應該還沒有 |
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沒有 我們公糧的處所跟它的配售站我們現在都有充分的掌握但是相對的就是說地方政府是主要的配售站各個地方各個地方的政府那各個地方政府會根據它離距離公糧的距離它會去做設置這是屬於各地方政府要做的事情嗎難道我們依照這個辦法裡面看起來應該是不是 所有的東西都是中央跟地方一起合作的那相對的配售的部分 |
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絕對不是中央直接去配售然後去發送所以我們會跟地方政府合作就是離公糧距離一個公糧倉庫可以配售多少個縣市我們都有相關的跟地方政府在合作所以我現在想了解就是說是你們到底有哪幾個縣市沒有設置公糧倉庫以及目前規劃的這個配售站 |
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的情況如何是不是都已經安排好了跟各個地方政府協調的狀況如何因為我覺得這很重要因為如果說萬一台灣隨時隨地都有可能發生戰爭的時候這些資訊都必須要公開然後讓大家民眾很快的知道 |
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公務員再請農糧署把資料給你好不好後面公務員再趕時間農業部這部分並沒有做好準備沒有我們都非常清楚我剛才說的我們現在有143個配售站而且這個配售站不是每一個縣市都需要我們會根據公糧的位置它已經 |
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打破了縣市的邊界公糧到配售站 配售站到發售然後再供給的部分這個整個鏈結其實我們都有一個完整的規劃好 那就請部長麻煩請你把這個規劃資料再提供以後因為我覺得這個疫情非常重要這也是呼應這個濫情的時期好 謝謝 |
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那謝謝翁曉琳翁委員那下一位請邱志偉委員發言謝謝主席我請農業部陳部長另外輔導師陳市長訓務師李市長漁業署王署長還有農水署李署長 |
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來請部長跟署長幾個問題請教這個財務法通過然後這個專政總預算在經過立法院這個非理性的這個煽動之後當然會影響到你們業務的推動你們這本報告裡面業務報告裡面財務法影響的然後這個這個專政總預算不當煽動 |
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所影響的影響哪些業務推動最為劇烈最為嚴重我先問一下啦漁業署王市長 |
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我們現在財化法影響到大概最大一塊就是我們補助地方政府這些漁業建設啦或是養殖生產區的一個建設的部分因為到時候這裡如果切下去可能就我們的部分漁業署的部分可能會達到將近那我們怎麼去照顧農漁民呢 |
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農業部所有預算都是照顧農民農民都集中在這個中南部我不曉得這個在野黨中南部的立委是怎麼看到這種事情還有良心嗎口口聲聲照顧農民跟漁民有大幅度非理性的煽動而且委員會我主持的會議農委會的農業部預算我們跨黨派支持 |
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幾乎在院會的時候協商被兩三個惡人啊不分青紅皂白用情緒性非理性的來糟蹋農民來糟蹋漁民非常惡劣你說影響幾億跟委員報告大概將近會十億十億十億要用來照顧漁民的想到這個我這個血壓就升高 |
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來 農水署的部分 請問一下那個李署長 農水署對地方上的這個農村建設非常重要不盪山洞還有這個採訪法修正之後 中央的補助的權限降低了好 影響多少金額 |
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呃 報告委員我是農村水保署不是農村水保署這一樣 簡直農村 五個字啦 不是三個字啦三個字才是農水署 五個字是我們農村水保署 來是 謝謝委員關心啦那因為這次的三項 講重點 講重點因為我要精準諮詢 是是 我們那個我們的治山防災目前是大概是通過43億啦但是問題是 影響幾億嘛影響喔 欸 |
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總共減少2.7億2.7億要做農村水土保持對不對我要說明一下2.7億是刪除以我們現在目前如果說這種錢他刪了下去這種事要保護農民生產的安全這種錢刪了下去 |
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如果現在照這個財務法移出去的部分各部位平均分攤的時候各部位如果平均分攤的話 那個就是240億 總共大概240億你說整個農業部預算對 會大概240億到250億被移出去啦如果說照部位就是原本用在農營民身上 用在農業身上就少240億對不對 對這種國會也要不要罷掉 |
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大罷免大成功才能對得起這個農民還有剛剛是農村發展與水土保守署沒有錯啦另外我問一下那個徐牧師這個市長這個 |
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在紫關區的這個批發市場還有一個設備的這個補助紫關區這個非常重要是一個重要的一個這個家庭的批發市場這部分我希望能夠支持這經費也不多他們自籌五成希望中午那會不會受到這次影響會會你看看看 |
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政府要做事要照顧農民要扶國立民這個可惡的在野黨三農民的預算 三餘民的預算這些是擁有農民資產就是說受到影響那能不能補助我跟委員報告齁在可能的情況之下我們一定會盡量去維持我們對地方特別是農業的協助我唯一能夠解決這個問題就是大罷免大成果 |
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國會才能恢復常態 恢復理性 恢復這個國會該有的素質跟水準才能繼續福國利民好 另外這個湖內區農會 湖內區農會是農撫師陳市長 那個我們有開過會嘛 這部分有沒有受到影響 |
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因為這個福島農會的那個推廣教育設施的改善的話這一部分是在編在基金裡面所以沒有影響目前是沒有受影響這我就比較安心不過我要跟委員說明我們基金每年由公務預算撥補大概371億370億左右由公務預算撥補所以它是會間接的還是會有影響不過我想我們還是會在可能的範圍之內來盡量來協助 |
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這個部長你不要再講你越講我心都碎了這個沒有辦法去體訓農民是一個沒有辦法去照顧農民這些是惡質政客這是沒有良心的政客沒有良心的政黨老天有眼啊會懲罰他們來台電預算被砍 |
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電費可能會調漲那農漁用的電調漲預算能不能追加我有一個報告就是我們對於農漁民本身用電的優惠跟補貼的政策不會變那去年上漲了以後我們今年度變了24.6億26億但是今年電價如果有調整的時候我想我們還是維持我們的政策但是我們會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
更積極的向行政院去爭取相關的預算會不會影響目前對農業用電的補助因為這個用電本身24.26億是編列上一波漲價的補助這次在漲價的話我們專項的經費就沒有了大概20幾億 |
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還要增加20幾億如果調整的幅度跟上次是一樣的話就是24.26億那我們現在還不知道電費是怎樣的調整不過不管怎麼樣我想我們都還會努力一定要用額外的經費啦因為在我們現在的預算裡面是沒辦法挪用的所以三萬七千戶的農業用戶都會受到影響我希望能夠具體去證據因為我時間到了遵守時間是一個 |
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郭議員該有的數字謝謝主席謝謝邱委員把時間掌握得非常的精準那30秒是我送給你的來 下一位請徐宇貞徐委員 |
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謝謝昭偉 待會您要多送我30秒我們請陳俊基部長好 請部長 |
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委員好部長好我想剛剛我聽到前一個委員在質詢的時候一直在提到說什麼今年的農業部的哪一個數哪個數預算少多少請問一下部長請問一下農業部今年的總預算增加多少 |
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今年的總預算在三減之後是增加了63.1億增加了63.1億那我想我們國民黨團又提到了如果有需要追加減的部分也歡迎農業部提出來那如果需要解凍的也請農業部盡快提出 |
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我們應該有這樣子跟農業部對不過我要跟委員說明的就是我們所增加的預算有新的協助的項目這個非常重要所以剛剛有提到有新的項目需要追加減的歡迎跟我們立法院來提出我們已經有這樣的提言那剛剛有委員在那邊造謠然後挑撥然後喊大罷免我都很想請教主席今天這邊是經濟委員會嗎還是在這個造勢場合 |
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大家要的應該是要質詢嘛不是在這邊喊這種什麼罷免誰罷免誰照顧農漁民不是嘴巴說說就好啊我是農漁民的眷屬啊我想我一直以來都在照顧農漁民所以我想部長這個部分希望我們就是就事論事啦那不要在這種場合一直在喊什麼大罷免我覺得這個真的非常非常讓人家覺得是不是專業的立委真的很非常非常的覺得 |
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在這樣子的一個場合講出這樣的話一直號稱自己是專業立委真的很讓人家覺得不可思議那部長請教一下因為經濟部郭智慧部長他有發言預告說他任內會漲兩次電價也就是已經預告了 |
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這個今年可能電價會再漲那禮拜五就要召開這個電價審議委員會所以說如果真的禮拜五召開之後依郭部長的說法應該4月份就會漲那農業用電也會跟著調漲那當然我想農業用電的成本增加之後呢也會讓我們多農民的這個他整個生產成本增加也會 |
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帶動這個農漁產品的價格跟民生物價那請問部長剛剛您有提到針對這個部分你們今年其實已經有編了24.26億元的補貼店價但是那是指目前還沒調漲的狀況嗎也就是說如果4月份真的調漲的話請問部長是不是也可以為農漁民向中央請命然後能夠增加我們的這個 |
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農業的電費要避免引發通膨的危機我想謝謝委員我想我跟委員都一樣的就是我們一定會想盡辦法去減輕與農民的負擔特別是農業用電的部分然後去年上一波漲價我們編列的24.6億但是它是預計在整年度用的那今年度如果預算有電費有做調整的時候如果需要額外的經費我們一定會去爭取 |
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但是在爭取的過程中因為24.261是12個月我們可以有一些部分可以先去調整但是最後的預算一定不夠我們想我們一定會努力爭取那請部長就是說如果真的經費有不足的話你也可以就是隨同追加減預算一起送來立法院審議那國民黨團一定全力支持謝謝那另外就是針對今年的這個農產品貿易統計網 |
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就台灣對於中國大陸的農產品出口總值達7億4743億美元 |
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大概佔總體這個出口比例達15.18%然後尤其是農產品對大陸出口的年增率高達48.95那最重要的也就是說是所有出口市場中成長最快的那請問部長賴總統之前宣布賴17條並將大陸視為敵對境外勢力會不會影響114年農產品的出口那如果會的話農業部有沒有什麼應對的策略 |
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我想從110年開始中國就是片面禁止一些農產品的輸出以後我們開始就持續的開拓高端的其他的市場這個目標我們會持續在走那去年度比較高最主要是它又恢復了一些部分的品項像鳳梨釋迦的部分那以農業部的立場 |
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貿易的部分我想我們不會放棄任何一個可能有貿易的一個機會但是我們一定會持續的更積極的開拓其他的高端市場 |
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就請部長這邊就是雖然我們賴總統宣布的賴17條但是還是希望部長能夠好好的去注意到我們農民的權益不能讓他們的這個受損好嗎我們會努力的就是將我們的UZEN農產品供應給國內也供應到國外去好謝謝部長那麻煩您謝謝好有一樣送30秒 |
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好謝謝徐育貞委員那下一位請鍾嘉斌委員質詢對那我們中午不休息就開會到會議結束 |
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主席 在黨委員間間列席的政府機關市長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請農業部陳部長好有請部長永旭市的莊司長農糧署姚署長和農經署的李署長好莊司長姚署長跟李署長 |
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好 部長好 署長好 市長好 天災救助一作物類別分類分歧 檳榔肺源轉設施農業兼綠電 好 我們來看一下 部長來 為什麼交農要控訴這個王文威委員這樣的一段話 害慘了交農的收購價為什麼 一斤一百塊發布之後 為什麼交農底下寫 哎呀 害我們的拍賣市場價格沒有辦法正常 為什麼 |
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去年我們遭遇到了上個颱風然後今年度我們那個是不是低溫造成的現在交農收成減少供應量不足對不對那請問這樣的結果收購價下降了跌產了消費者買到廉價香蕉嗎量價齁量量收購價產地收購價下跌了消費市場有買到便宜的香蕉嗎往下一頁為什麼盤商因為天然災害供應量減他當然價格他會提高啊 |
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對不對 林鄭要提高啊可是她又用新聞操作又灌低了收購價拜託 署長 請署長要去關切一下不要讓媒體或有些錯誤的報導影響到產地農民的收益 可以嗎 |
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可以我想我們會持續關切這個產銷的一個之間的那個鏈結好我們往下看齁這個在去年呢我們屏東其實不只屏東各地的因為天災農民損失慘重請問部長天然災害的救助金農損救助金是幫農民復耕還是幫他彌平所有他災害的損失 |
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我想天然災害救助金的最主要是協助它能夠盡量的盡快的復耕但是如果收成損失了那要靠農業保險嘛是是這樣 往下看所以目前我們要知道作物有短期作物有長期作物復耕期短 |
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他每次復耕又來添災 每次復耕又來添災但是我們貴署的規定一年只能補一次長期作物又不同了長期作物他可能收穫錢損失跟在耕作的時候的損失那麼作物的週期常常不一復耕的需求也不一樣你們怎麼樣定我們的救助的一些頻率 |
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我跟委員報告 基本上我們是用作物的生產季為一個單位以生產作為單位對 像短期的話 它可能一個月一次嘛對那一季一季 它如果下個月再遇到的話 它還是可以所以它是用生產季那長期作物的話 過去是用歷年為單位那後來我們跟所有的討論就還是以生長季為單位如果我們做了大概六個作物做了調整請農糧署要跟農民宣布 不然很多農民都以為說只能補一次好不好 |
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這個其實我們已經公告了公告後要加強宣傳我們是用生長劑為單位以生長劑來做一個天災救助的週期好 往下看好 濱南會員轉座 昨天跟你談了很久成效怎麼樣持續的努力在做這些廢員的工作那你想為什麼農民他不願意 |
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那最主要是因為檳榔本身它的一個付出的勞力比較低然後它的價格的部分所以基本上它的因為你廢原以後它復耕時間會比較長也造成它的影響兩個原因第一個它現在撤掉了它就沒修理嘛對不對所以空窗期沒有收入嘛 |
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第二個,轉作的新作物它的預期效益,不知道啊,我現在種陸來,我現在種其他的東西,我不知道會不會比平常好,是不是這樣?所以確定未來轉作的農作的收益,對農民很重要,農民才會知道說我轉作什麼,會賺錢,會比平常好,來往下看來,哪一種的作物的收益高?貴鳥、薑、芹菜 |
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來 市長可以幫忙講 來 哪些比較高看季節 過年現在國際市場 休通好不會啦過年是外小市場啦 欠財是高的都不中啦他們有什麼共同特性他是市場需求高 對不對 作物週期短品質要求高 價格也不錯重要的 他是不是要一個高強度的設施內的栽培好 那現在設施栽培來往下看老農他負擔得起設施農業的高門檻嗎 |
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你們可以幫助嗎?我們有增加那個補助的一個比例我告訴你,你不管怎麼幫助,不會超過三分之一啦但是三分之一農民也要出啦,他出不去啦所以呢,簡單結論來跟你講齁其實,設施農業,它如果種了高價值的作物如果說能夠屋頂型的光電搭配,來補充它的收益這個屋頂型的光電可以取代設施農業它的結構 |
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這個是很清楚的所以我看莊老達市長一直在點頭所以這樣的方法設置農業跟光電結合農業部支不支持 |
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所以我們的結論就是這樣子為什麼把農金署的書商找來?青農有技術沒有錢老農有地沒有錢但是農企業他能夠有訂單有技術有勞力找青農的勞動力配合上年老的地主的檳榔園然後找到光電業者來上面減輕他的設施的投資共創市營您覺得這個方式可以做嗎? |
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我覺得這個想法非常好,我們可以逐步地落實所以檳榔啊,檳榔才要被會員轉作,一定要往什麼?設施、農業去思考所以結論,我們的作物週期長短不一,你們復根的天災救助你剛才說了,按照它的行動的整體來計算,對不對?確定嗎?另外 |
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所以最後請你承諾,設置實作的園區,你去找一筆地,讓農企業有辦法去種好好的植物來,高級的植物來,請他進來,種給農民看,種這裡看到種幾年可以賺錢,種香菜可以賺錢,種薑可以賺錢,這樣他們才有可能把他們的平衡方法,跟農企業,跟青農, |
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跟這些光電合作 有支持嗎我想我們會找適當的地點然後結合當地的地主還有一些願意實際耕作的甚至於有些光電業者可以上面可以附帶光電然後成立一個小的一個示範場域啦那後面的示範場域後面幾個董事要找喔永續是要找喔我們農糧署要找喔農金署要找喔趕快做起來做一個專案稍後來推出這個方案好不好是 我們朝這個方向來做好 謝謝部長 謝謝各位市長 署長 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席好謝謝鍾嘉賓委員那下一位請郭國文委員質詢謝謝主席有請陳部長有請部長 |
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部長好 部長零一二一的這個災後的復原跟復興非常重要那您有下去看一些水果藻類的部分那我也請輔導司的陳俊元司長下去對照於零四零三這是基本的態度行政院院長已經對外宣布過了可是我們要比對一下農業部門零四零三跟零一二一的差別性 |
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零四零三的部分 農業部一個月的時候就說投入 宣布投入14億1830萬協助花蓮災區復原再出發其中有9.9億用在公共設施經費當然就包括農會 相關設施包括公糧肥料倉庫 超市 辦公設備空間的這個重建但是現在台南 已經一個月了沒聲沒水 |
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差這麼多 為什麼這總共的經費不過是兩億而已陳市長在你旁邊碎碎念 他有去看過玉井農會有沒有嚴重 嚴重南化農會有沒有嚴重 南溪農會有沒有嚴重 大內總共加起來18家耶 目前都沒有消息 部長 |
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你要不要表示一下?我跟委員報告,其實在第一時間的時候,我也簽字到農會,包括南興南化農會去看,那跟0403比起來,我覺得最大的差別就是0403的時候,那個行政院在第一時間就公告為災區,那因為公告為災區的話,現在是災區啊,我們有公告啊 |
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那個0121我們有公告啦沒有那是最近才公告的沒有那也公告了嘛最後才公告公告一段時間了啦沒關係啦你繼續說你繼續說現在重點就是說其實這您所關心的包括農會的部分其實在這段時間我們已經收集的所有它2月25號就提案了就送上去了喔這進度有在追喔 |
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我們相關的輔導措施都已經在處理包括它要重蓋的時候找臨時的處所的部分那現在最主要是一旦公告災區的時候那第一個部分就是可以動用到本來是台南市的災損金加上 那另外啦那個不夠 民財就不夠了公共設施中央要協助啦人家都在想像那個以前0206那條街 |
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不是 現在就是說行政院的經費預算怎麼 咱都不能影響到救災啦 院長已經講了啦我當然同意這樣子 所以我們會跟內政部那邊的經費 我們會來協助內政部啦 內政部 你現在又問你的態度嘛你當初花蓮就給了14億多嘛 為什麼台南都沒有 當時要選不 |
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這個部分因為我們經費的動資因為他中央公告了以後我們報上去他同意的上面的動資報上去了嗎現在內政部現在在彙整 |
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會診 你還沒報上去沒有 我們已經報上去了你們報上去報多少應該我們報多少我們對於這個對於農會的部分就他摘損的額度就是這些鄉鎮都有送上去2億已經報上去了要說一下速度好不好第二個 那個部長不只是復原還有復興你還花了2.4億 |
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來作為花蓮那時候的一個振興喔為什麼我強調因為花蓮跟我現在所屬的宅區的部分兩個都一樣靠農業靠觀光你還發了農粉幣250元70萬張總經費1.5億而且再加上其他的部分總共振興計畫2.4億這邊要不要發 |
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我想花蓮花那個農產品最主要是它交通中斷變成一個隔離我們那邊也有交通也有受到影響光光都掉了五成那個措施不一樣不一樣你要想辦法不一樣你就不用振興了嗎我們很願意去協助它的一個相關的農產品行銷這一次不是天災而已還有兩次天災還有包括這個低溫降雨的部分也造成打擊雙重打擊 |
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對啊我們天然災害的部分我們沒問題處理天然災害不可以天然災害後面的行銷我現在後面的行銷我們會來協助後面的行銷但是不是用農粉幣的方式來處理交通的部分那個花蓮交通的部分交通部已經答應了那我們這邊也可以提出一些振興的方案我就是要聽你這個對但是不是用農粉幣用其他的方式來處理不一定是農粉幣但是至少要一個因地制宜的振興方案我們可以來做一些振興的方案 |
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應該可以立即 我想我我這個禮拜好 這個禮拜這個禮拜我想我會跟我們同仁討論這個禮拜好不好這個禮拜給我一個答覆給你一個答覆大概用什麼方向大概用什麼方向有我們這裡都沒有 這裡就沒有是對不對好 最後我再問你一下因為這一次呢降雨的風窟不均 |
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所以以至於這個過去的擴大灌區非常的重要農田 農水署做得不錯啦但是三座不夠啦後面還有五加四座的部分啦什麼時候給錢 什麼時候到位 什麼時候開始做這個我是不是可以請我們的來 組長請 蔡組長 |
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是 非常感謝委員的關心 那在委員的支持之下 那我們這個第一期那個三座之血是完成了那第二期因為用地也都第二期用地已經取得了那接下來是五座 那部長有特別指示 後續要特別的加強所以我們預計在今年六月 那麼就可以開工我跟您講五家事業並規劃啦 |
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是 共同進行啦現在的極端氣候這種情況底下 合併三四五呢是 委員指導得很好因為我們第二期就是把這個系統二跟系統三合併發包對 就是要合併嘛那我們如果系統四跟系統五如果用力也能夠取得的話我們會隨時再發進來以上好 那請部長支持最後部長再請教一個 |
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對整個台南牛肉湯這個特境的產業影響非常之大的部分就是台牛協定影響牛肉湯現在整個這個行情每公斤140元已經漲到170了而整個飼牛的產業從817變693場市場市越來越少喔這種情況底下以後呢量少就會價高 |
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所以我是說這個是有影響影響到整個庶民經濟也影響到台南的觀光的動能部長這個我之前就請教過了關鍵點是什麼你知道嗎關鍵點就是你要確保乳牛的肉源不至於減少你不要去找替代人員的黃牛三位那些都不好啦你聽我意思嗎但是現實上就是一直在減少啊 |
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我跟委員報告齁 依我們現在目前針對這個牛屠宰的數量來講齁他去年反而比前年還高啦哪有 去年淘汰的第一個乳牛是4204頭今年育智只有3700沒有 我用屠宰的數量是最準的啦 |
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去年是41673 四萬一千六百七十三頭前年是四萬一千五百四十頭所以基本上那個屠宰量是相對維護增加你不要短期性的我希望你能夠保這個量 |
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對 我希望說把這個量維持著維持住對 這個維持著它不會影響到整個牛肉糖產業好不好我了解不會影響到整個台南觀光的動能了解嗎我了解委員的關心所以我們在乳牛轉成屠宰變成牛肉的湯圓這個很關鍵這兩個要平衡這個要平衡是 好不好謝謝部長 謝謝主席給我這麼久的時間謝謝好謝謝郭國文委員 |
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那下一位請陳廷飛委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長好請部長 |
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部長這個待會的話題我先跟部長報告一下就是說我們現在因為天氣的問題那前陣子是寒極地瓜新化跟新式那麼第一時間我們也去現場看那麼在目前為止好像我們也還沒得到 |
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這個部分我們速度真的有點慢第二個部分就是芒果其實我相信這種天氣所以現在是芒果後面可能還有荔枝龍眼這個陸續都一定會發生相關的問題那麼我相信在3月19號 |
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我們辦公室就向農業部發文了要求要重視我們的芒果還有我們的相關這些荔枝龍眼果樹的問題有玉井南西南化佐鎮大內然後還有相關其他的區域希望要多去關心那3月24號我們農業部就迅速發文給市府農業局要求速報部長我今天為什麼要特別提出這個問題 |
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其實我們一定要製造在整個我們農損的速報甚至SOP要把它建立起來過去就是因為地方政府都在等中央可是這是錯的啊每次我們去看完之後還是要速報啊可是我們當時候都是上面先做然後地方慢做所以導致農民都覺得怎麼速度這麼慢 |
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所以我當時候地瓜的時候 你知道嗎 連同這次芒果也是連地瓜 我跟農民說 你趕快 趕快去剝 |
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去居公所訴報 然後也還拜託議員 陳B議員跟李偉智議員結果呢 沒有到達20% 怎麼可能 光我們知道的資料就有了農民都說 沒有啦 我們如果去 一定都會被記住因為中央還沒有資料 |
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我說錯了你們要先去訴報要讓區公所知道你們有這些損害那麼他才能收集這些資料給農業局再統一給農業部農業部才能派相關人員來做會刊對不對這是程序嘛可是我們到目前為止地方政府其實還不知道這樣的程序 |
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這是很危險的啊所以當時候地瓜的時候還拜託議員去拜託區公所去奉上有受損地瓜的農民趕快來區公所訴報這樣才達到20%欸否則農民都覺得說那補也不好 那給區公所說也不好啊 |
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所以這次芒果也是耶芒果當時候當農民跟我反應的時候我就跟農民說你趕快你去跟區公所訴訟說要不好了連農會的總幹事也這樣的認為喔我說你錯了你們趕快去跟區公所說 |
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區公所才會知道你們已經有損害了那農業部已經知道了農業部已經透過我我已經正式發文他農業部知道了可是地方政府還是要統一這些資料送到農業部農業部已經在這邊等了還好我們一直追3月24號你們發了這個文給地方這是我們追的 |
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所以這張文很辛苦耶3月20日你們才發給農業局農業局在3月25日才發文給各區公所說趕快去了解所有災損的狀況我今天會拿這個講就是說我們的SOP一直以來都沒建立起來導致農民都覺得我們慢半拍 |
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到底是誰慢的 不知道啊各位 第一件最簡單的一句話就說阿勒農業報啊那你不是很委屈你們不是很委屈嗎 問題是第一階段區公所都還沒報資料 農業局都還沒報資料那光有我們我想你們是第一時間在 3月19號應該我是最快發文給你們 因為我跟農民的關係不一樣 |
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他們是信任我們所以發生什麼問題都會跟我們講說這道火水很漂亮但是都沒調過因為天氣天氣的因素所以部長會用這個部分就是說請把SOP建立起來我已經講了數次了可是這個SOP還是沒有建立起來 |
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我跟委員報告SOP就在這一邊那是公所的人裝傻啦我敢這樣講啦就是他們用被動的方式去處理那農業部現在目前有這樣子的農民有速報的方式那我們也保留一個彈性我們可以 |
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主動公告所以我們改良廠其實非常辛苦他們隨時在掌握這個狀況所以就是因為你們還有另外一個叫主動公告所以地方政府就說你們都去找立委立委可以叫農業部主動公告問題是他們根本都沒有清楚到底所有的災損狀況 |
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因為我們的災損要公告要到達百分之二十我們的所謂農業部直接公告就像說有天災那個一下子颱風下來全部都吹到倒上去 那就不用再說了那個就可以主動公告可是像這種有延遲性的或是有這種天氣變化的每一個地方都不一樣 |
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所以就一定要由各區公所來做一個處理那不是區公所裝傻連農業局都在裝傻我想這個部分我想我會再跟地方政府做一個比較明確的指引我覺得這個要要求那第二個部分就是您所關切的芒果的部分因為它有生理弱果的現象所以它相對的比較困難一點我們會等生理弱果的時候才會去確認沒有啦 部長我告訴你 |
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他們現在 他們都是轉嫁的啦 整個花瀉掉就沒有過那還有什麼叫生理弱果的狀況所以我告訴你 你們不要用你們既定的他們現在通報了 現在的狀況就是花瀉掉 結果乾乾淨淨的過都不一樣就像地瓜 你知道嗎 一個半月的地瓜本來是要這樣子 |
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正常是這個樣子可是在這一次在心事跟心話你知道變成怎樣連一隻手指頭都不夠連一隻這樣子這隻手指頭都沒有辦法 |
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就跟過去的生長狀況都不一樣了你要等什麼你還要等什麼好啦 部長我們有我們的專業的團隊改良專業那位去判斷我告訴你 你的專業要不要聽到齁都輸人在基層 在第一層在撐這個農民啦你這樣說對我們研究人員是一種侮辱啦我們有侮辱喔 部長部長 你這樣講你要小心喔我們有侮辱喔我都很尊重我們的基層人員喔 |
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我哪一句話侮辱我們的七層大院是你們要你們要結合人家地方的聲音你們過去都站在你們的專業立場你們完全沒有跟地方人在地方爭多久啊人爭多久啊農民狠天災害不一定全部是災害我告訴你啦 部長就像我跟你講的啊你的漢籍本來這麼大口 一個半月要這麼大口個月存一支都不夠 |
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過去已經違反到之前的生長季現在它落果之後 那花落了之後果完全沒有 那一看就知道了這個我有看過 在之前 在好幾年前的關田就是這個樣子 |
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所以部長你不用替我遞帽子我都很尊重我們的基站領域我沒有尊重所以你不用戴我帽子我站在的是農民的立場我希望我們專業人員也能夠聽到我們地方農民的聲音這是我一直的堅持對過去到現在我的立場都很一樣我沒有侮辱任何一個專業人員請部長也不要給我戴帽子 |
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我如果想侮辱冒犯林我可以道歉但是我對我們的專業我們改良黨的專業是必須的我時間有限啦我再來跟部長請教啦我們後輩都我們歡呼啦我們現在的人力編制跟組織編制到底怎麼解決啦 |
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我們現在目前就承包我們的中南能公共建設這是基礎備用那更重要就是人力組織的部分重點是你們的人力編制跟機關整個組織編制嘛有錢沒有人要怎麼辦行政院在審一個組織他不會說這個禮拜去下個禮拜就下來什麼時候嘛從去年一直談的就是這個議題嘛你去看我講這個蘭花園區 |
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我告訴你 部長不是只有你 我跟你講而已從陳其仲主委一直到現在我每次後避蘭花園區 我們怎麼提高它的位階我們一直談到的就是這個掛牌之後 不要讓它只有掛牌 |
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所以現在我們這個計畫花卉產業創新園區我們已經進入公建計畫沒錯可是你有公建計畫你有這個預算問題是你的人員組織到底我們要等到什麼時候現在的關卡在哪裡 |
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我跟委員報告一個組織的轉變跟籌設不是說我們報了以後准了就下來是 現在的關鍵在哪裡人總本身還要去詢問各單位的意見然後完了以後還要送到行政院你們現在打算要讓他跟什麼結合 |
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我們現在跟農業縣所的花卉分所結合啊對啊 你們跟花卉分所結合嘛所以你們農業部這邊的人力問題都沒有問題嘛現在是在人事總數沒有 總人數我們也會做傾升 |
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提升嘛我是說你們的部分你們都檢討完了嘛我們已經3月17號已經送到人員那邊去了你們都檢討完了現在到底卡關卡在哪裡沒有現在就是人事總署他循程序要去問各機關的意見嘛 |
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那多久?不知道這個要人總那邊所以你們3月17號送了我們該做的我們都做了你們做了3月17號你們送了在整個蘭花園區的人力編制跟機關組織編制你們3月17號就送了現在在等行政院人事總署現在在詢問每一個地方他們的意見那人事總署現在你們有去接洽他的意見如何?審議中審議中,意見呢? |
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沒有 他全部繞完了以後他才會給我們意見然後請我們提供意見再送回去因為一個組織要重新建立沒有那麼簡單所以部長所以你們現在沒辦法掌控狀況只是你能夠掌控是你們現在資料都送出去了對 然後我們盡可能去說服一些意見跟花卉實驗所結合送出去了然後提升人力組織跟那個結合然後提升人力然後就看人事總署怎麼處理了是不是是好 安 |
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希望一個月你隨時跟我們報告我想我會隨時把這個進度跟委員說明可以嗎可以否則我們在這邊講得很大聲然後人家又這樣給你順便看到底怎麼樣都不知道沒有啦 我跟你報告真正的啟動是在2月初才啟動的所以這個速度來講其實已經是蠻快的 |
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是二月份才啟動我們已經講多久了我們講多久了部長我們從去年就開始講了講人力組織喔對啊所以你們就慢了半拍我們從去年就開始講了如果這個行政院沒有同意的時候你動都沒有用啦所以我們花了很多時間跟人走做溝通這也是委員在幫忙的啊 |
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好啦我這個我擺的那麼辛苦啦拜託主席給我這就是後邊藍花橫枯那個部長你知道這是什麼嗎等一下可以來放一下好這是什麼你可不可以知道這是蘭展的公仔啊公仔啊這叫什麼這叫什麼你看你都不知道你看你都不知道這叫什麼奧奇獸啊奧奇獸叫什麼奧奇獸啊來我不知道這叫我們的蘭花獸 |
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所以我是要推未來我們應該要把這個公仔推廣出去這個才是我們的重點啦我們要有一個吉祥物代表我們的貨幣蘭花園區吉祥物放主席台前面他就可以隨時入境進入農業部再跟好 |
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好謝謝陳秦飛委員那我們接下來請賴瑞榮委員質詢好謝謝主席請陳部長部長部長這一次的這個總預算的審查農業部被刪跟凍也相當的多刪的總數是多少 |
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農業部的部分總共刪的是20.14億那被凍結的部分呢30億左右30.94吧凍的部分呢就是30億左右30億左右這兩個應該也是創下這幾年的新高嘛對不對對 |
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我想這個那這個對整個未來的農業部的運作會不會產生重大的影響我想一定是有影響的特別是在山檢的部分因為他刪了很多特定的科目那剛才有特別提到就是說國內的採旅費其實我們農業部非常多的要去現勘的不管是天然災害或者是山區這個當然一定都會影響那我今天特別注意到包括我們的一些 |
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這個將來要天然災損的部分也會受到影響是這樣嗎是這個是主要是在特別收入基金的部分嗎對因為過往我想委員都很支持我們的很多基金的預算但是基金預算一旦被刪減以後在預算法規定就不能就沒有啦 |
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沒有以後超支的部分就不能動用第二億倍金可是天然災害有它的不確定性以去年來講我們就超過了40億那行政院所以去年三個颱風農損40億所以去年花了多少農損70幾億所以花了40億然後增加就是行政院撥補特別給我們的40億那其中有一部分行政院二倍金給我們40億那我們自己的那個咧我們自己的基金花了多少 |
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我們今年的基金是611億然後我們天然災編列的是27 28今年到39億所以這個3減掉了9000萬其實會影響到未來我們跟中央爭取到二倍金的一個對還有因為產交調節也會有影響因為產交調節我們進行也會因為 |
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天氣的不順的時候資金才要調節的時候經費不夠那也不能申請動用二倍金那如果今年像去年一樣一樣遇到了這樣三個颱風遇到了可能70億的一個災損的話那我們在協助農民跟整個救助上會不會產生影響 |
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一定會有影響但是以農業部的立場我們一定想辦法去協助那必要的時候可能就要用借的方式來處理跟銀行借嗎沒有我們可能可能就還是要抱怨啊用跟我們的農債基金來借錢跟農債基金來借錢對就原來本來這些可以但是這不是常態齁這個就是說因為很多委員不知道說他刪的好像只有九千萬意思而已但是相對他影響的是後面第二預備金的動資 |
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所以這個部長好不好把這個再講得更清楚一點為什麼刪掉了9000萬影響到第二預備金的動資我想我們的特別收入基金包括農發農損農還有天然災害基金本身我們都是利用公務去撥補以後 |
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那公務撥補如果說在撥補的這個項目裡面有被刪減的時候那只要你刪減那你依照預算法就不能動資第二預備金可是很可就是說我們的基金每一年都超支大概30億到50億所以等同說這個項目被刪減了所以未來無法申請這個行政院的第二預備金的動用行政院第二預備金是我們主要當我們超支的時候可以請行政院支援 |
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那現在就不行了去年是動用了多少去年光災損的部分就40億了40億的行政院地位備金所以今年度如果發生這樣狀況因為被刪減而無法動用這40億的地位備金對 就不能向行政院申請所以這40億的地位備金就不能跟行政院 |
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對 我們變成說要想辦法由行政院看有沒有其他的經委可以來支持所以這樣的刪減其實對於農民造成很大的一個影響是非常大的影響這幾年特別是氣候異常的狀況所以永遠不知道會是什麼狀況去年連來三個大颱風的影響所以造成這麼多農損那今年這樣刪減導致於40億的地位備金無法動用這對農業跟對農民其實是很大的一個風險 |
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對 一個很重要的就是去年三個颱風 今年各位委員可以 我跟委員報告今年從年初到現在已經二十幾個品項公告為天然災害最主要是低溫 低溫還有一些比較低的溫度所以其實氣候變遷已經造成這種極端天道造成農業的損失越來越頻繁部長有沒有什麼樣的補救措施可以來做的 |
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我想我們如果說必須要超支的時候我們還是會向行政院爭取他除了第二預備金還有沒有其他的經費可以來協助的那如果不能協助的時候我想我們還是會申請去向農債基金來借錢好 了解 |
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那另外我們這幾年的防疫也做得不錯啦不管是口蹄疫 出瘟等等我們都做了很多很不錯的結果但是我也看到我們的這個防疫的預算也被刪減包括被刪減被凍結啦這個會不會產生影響非常大的影響喔其實我們 |
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做非洲豬瘟是亞洲就是只有日本和我國是還是維持非洲豬瘟的非疫區那非疫區的一個宣導除了在邊境的宣導是非常重要的那這些東西都需要一些經費來支持那整個那個豬瘟現在我們拔針了嘛但是我們還是要更緊實的去處理持續的去做宣導 |
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所以要不斷宣導 包括在這個入戶禁的部分那些的經費也是這邊的經費嘛我們是希望說像這類的媒體文宣是其實我們的宣導算做得相當因為進來之後一直不斷的提醒你不要帶一些相關的豬肉製品啊不要什麼甚至有很多的其實也減少被開罰同時間也減少入闖的機會所以這個很重要就這些經費被這樣的刪除凍結了之後會導致未來執行商會不會遇到問題 |
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對 所以我也希望委員能夠了解其實農業部的這些媒宣的部分其實都是在針對我們的相關的這些政策還有必須要我們的利害關係人老百姓知道的這些訊息的傳遞啦那這個傳遞是非常重要的我覺得就為了一個雞蛋用這種報復性的煽動我認為很不合理 |
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雞蛋是一個政策性的因素嘛就當時的時候缺蛋的時候大家是怎麼在罵的罵沒有蛋連個蛋都沒得吃就趕快努力從國外進蛋進來以後然後又開始罵啊為什麼進蛋進來啊那進蛋進來就有能力進蛋呢我們當然就努力的努力讓他能夠進來嘛那如果任何的違法或輸這個都可以調查嘛但是用這樣的方式來惡意的去把這些的經費全部給凍結跟刪除我認為這個其實對對農民對國家都是個傷害部長應該同意這樣的看法吧 |
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是 我想我們在經濟委員會所有的委員因為對農業夠了解所以我們在經濟委員的委員經費都沒什麼刪那很可惜的就是在黨團的部分那些對農業不夠了解的人這又是另外一個問題在經濟委員會內大家理性討論之後都認為可以的到了朝野協商的時候完全不理解用政治因素直接把你砍掉那經濟委員會在審什麼預算那根本就不用審了嘛到朝野審上去的非理性非專業的人員全部照政治判斷來刪那這樣子經濟委員會幹嘛 |
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幹嘛開 就直接送出去就好了 國外旅費 我們並不是國外旅費就是出差去玩的其實有非常多的國內旅費 國外旅費 其實都是針對農產品的行銷 還有對於天然災害看災有實際需要 這幾年能夠不斷的往外行銷出去也是靠這些經費嘛 但如果不該花的 我們都已經努力在要求刪減了嘛 但是你不能夠不分青紅皂白的這樣亂山亂棟 整體要求你就是直接 |
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整體的棟 整體的山那對於有需要的這些部分一方面又要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草不喝水那是怎麼活你要農業推廣要做得好又要照顧農民又要整個行銷什麼都要做那你又不給他經費又要把他砍光光又要把他棟結掉那你要怎麼做 |
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有的動機還要求到大院來報告那還不是在委員會的報告大院的報告有可能拖到下半年那情同是被刪除掉那要怎麼做所以我認為這些的都是亂象啦我認為這個都應該我還是希望農業部還是要持續的不斷對外發聲讓他知道這些惡劣的狀況才能夠遏止將來這樣的事情不斷的發生好不好我覺得農民跟農業是大家的不應該分任何的黨派應該要公平來思考這樣惡劣的做法如果未來持續發生的話我覺得對台灣的農民是非常不利的 |
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最後一個請教一下 前鎮漁港的招商進度目前狀況怎麼樣前鎮漁港的招...我是不是可以請那個漁業署署長說明一下包委員 我們那一個多光農運銷中心那之前有經過三次的這一個標注作業那當時因為還在興建中所以廠商沒有辦法預期他未來可以做什麼那目前接近完工了 我們現在改走促餐去年底我們也辦了一次你年限拉到多長 |
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年限現在基本上會是20年20年那我們現在基本上因為跟委員報告那一個運銷中心的量體非常大啦他地坪大概就2萬坪所以未來的這一個招商條件裡面我們會盡量減少這些廠商該有的負擔那怎麼樣來增加誘因部長這個請跟署長協助好不好 |
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一定要增加更多願意順利的找到好的廠商來這個我多次的強調一定要找到好的廠商找到好的廠商這件事情就會很順利成功如果找到不好的廠商不夠強的廠商的話那他就會非常的辛苦那我希望這件事情大家那麼努力部長一定要盯緊這整個進度好不好我找先再跟部長詳談好 謝謝好 謝謝賴瑞榮委員那我們是不是有請鄭正前委員謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 我要請一下陳部長好 請部長阿維好部長好 之前我們曾經問過一個農業移工的相關的問題那我們就繼續追蹤一下這件事情我想說截至113年底就是農業移工開放原額是兩萬名你知道實際引進有多少名嗎到目前 |
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應該是13,580多人到去年底是13,800多人所以其實這一兩個月來其實有陸陸續續已經在通過了所以這13,500多人那我在想說這部分我想說可能還是要稍微去調整一下這個部分因為我們上次有特別提到因為相較於其他因為台灣缺工情況非常的嚴重各個產業都缺工 |
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可是大部分的產業他們只要那個移工一開放出來的時候大概都會秒殺像營建移工啊什麼大概都一開放就秒殺能像農業移工這樣子我們開放兩萬個名額現在只進來一萬三千多個其實情況還是特殊的那我想說這個部分並不是表示說我們農業不缺工我們看到112年農業勞動力調查的時候 |
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就是阻力農家缺工的情況就短缺常骨工大概有4216人次4000多人 對那麼短缺臨時工用高達83000多人次這其實就表示說其實農業還是缺工啦那既然缺工那為什麼說去申請的意願又沒有那麼高部長你可以簡單回答一下 |
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我想申請的部分他有本勞的一個比例這是一個問題那過去有一些小型的有沒有他本勞是1比3現在已經改成1比1了這個部分我們把它解決了第二個就是有些很多東西是季節性的就是說他請了以後他沒有辦法一整年都讓他工作 |
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所以我們用外展工的方式去處理你講到這很好其實就是說就季節性的狀態因為農業跟一般產業不一樣所以農業有非常明顯季節性的問題所以它就會有農忙跟農閒的時候所以要請工不一定那麼容易請所以我們講說外展的農業移工的時候我們開放了外展農業移工 |
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可是其實也沒有用滿所以我當時提到一個狀態就是說有沒有可能農業部跟勞動部這邊去協商一個狀態能夠讓這些移工能夠跨業別的去運作是不是有可能會解決這樣子的一個問題因為我先講一下勞動部這個狀態到今年1月底為止有超過9萬個移工是失聯的狀態 |
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那勞動部他也很清楚這九萬多個失聯移工的時候有很大量是跑到農業的領域當中去當黑工了那在這樣的情況之下的時候呢我在想說如果能夠讓外長的農業 |
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移工的時候然後跟其他非農業部門的營建移工等等其他相關他們能夠有跨業別的去做一個資源是不是有可能可以解決這個問題我想請教一下因為這個我上次就有提我想請教部長有沒有跟勞動部這邊做一個協商其實我持續跟勞動部協商那現在遇到一個目前沒辦法解開的就是說當初他進來有個勞動契約這是一件事情 |
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他們很多業者就是說他規定週休二日要休息嘛如果他跑到農業來做的話那些業者擔心什麼太累了以後會影響他正常班的一個時間點啊理解喔 |
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那個部長因為我在想說因為其實不同業別都有它的特殊性在可是農業移工這個部分的時候它確實很特殊所以我們希望說部長這邊能夠多花點心思去溝通那也許說某一些產業的移工他們也許可以配合那這個部分的時候我想請部長這邊再跟勞動部加緊去聯繫然後能夠解決這樣的一個問題這樣問題能夠解決也可以同時解決掉這麼多就是逃跑 |
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移工的問題我先跟你們報告我們現在過渡時間找不到新的方法過渡時間我們就把現在的那個外展可以跨區以前是只能在這個縣市嘛現在跨區的話就可以做調度資源然後第二個部分我也跟勞動部長洪部長提到就是說農會本身他有比較多的量能 |
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但是他又牽涉到本勞跟那個外勞的比例我也希望他能夠調降讓更多的農會來參與的時候那就可以變成一個調度網那這樣的話就可以支援這種所謂的臨時性的缺工理解部長那這部分就請跟勞動部這邊加緊去做一個協調因為缺工的問題真的很嚴重而且真的每個產業都在那農業部門也是必須要特別去關注到的 |
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那我接下來我想問一下因為最近農業部有韓文各地方政府嘛要求清查農保資格這件事情對不對因為省紀部之前有提到說我們現在投保91萬的那個農保當中有大概8萬5千人疑似有其他正職的工作那包括什麼律師啊 立正式建築士等身份我覺得這些問題排除都沒有問題可是因為在嚴查的過程當中的時候呢也感覺上碰到有很多曾經 |
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當過農民的真的老農好像也受到波及那針對這個部分我想請教部長針對這次在清查農保資格的時候有沒有一些具體的一個依據跟審查標準我想我們的審查標準其實都是一次性的然後我先說今天在業務報告我也提到了針對光電的部分因為農民必須要有一分地然後實際從農 |
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那光電業者如果說地主把這個地租給人家去養殖以後做光電的時候那他可能因為沒有土地了會造成農保本身會被退出那我們這個部分我們用專案的方式配合國家政策的話我們可以讓他維持他的農保資格 |
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那這個部分其實都解決了所有的光電的政策的部分然後第二個部分就是審計部所查的是領取天然災害但是不是農保人的部分那這個部分其實我們了解都是幾乎是同一個家庭的啦有時候領的時候就叫兒子去領有沒有這個部分喔審計部所提供的這些數據只是有疑慮有疑慮不代表他就是一定要退保 |
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所以就個案的部分我想我們也會協助就是地方政府特別是農會部長我在想說你講的那些部分我在想說真正的有違規該要剔除的就剔除可是有些曾經在農業領域真的很認真在做可能因為年紀的部分或者是因為配合政策的部分可能租給輕農或者是怎麼樣的狀態我覺得能夠更細緻一點來處理好不好 |
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會的 65歲以上就不需要保有一定要保有一分地的已經不孤立了所以這個部分我們已經注意所以我們會持續的精進而且把我們農業的資源真正的投入在我們的實際耕作者那接下來這邊的時候我想問一個部分因為你剛剛提到說有些光電業者他配合的狀態那我講到一個漁電共生的一個例子 |
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因為餘電共生他們在電籌許可當中的時候會有一個需求還有養殖戶的同意書部長知道這個狀態嘛對不對我想知道養殖戶怎麼去做一個認定 |
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我想第一個部分因為我們養殖有養殖登記所以這個部分其實光電現在的問題不在這裡現在問題就是說我本身是一個地主又養魚然後我租給光電業者的時候那光電業者說他來包養 |
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那他來包養其實都是比較因為他不是專業的就變得應付式的所以我們現在修改的就是我們希望說引進專業的漁卿來這塊地做成豬然後在興建的過程怎麼規劃就參與這樣的話才能夠實際的達到你剛講這部分因為坦白說這種不同的樣態非常的多那因為養殖戶在電子的修改當中的時候會要有一個養殖戶同意書 |
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坦白說這會碰到一個狀態是有些事實上是有養殖登記證的有些是沒有的所以說在這狀態的時候如果說沒有一個合法的養殖登記證的養殖戶的時候碰到這種狀態的時候很可能就會跟我們剛剛講到說在農保這邊也被剔除 |
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那這個部分我希望說能夠處理得更細緻一點因為那所長這邊是好像不太理解這邏輯在哪裡我想這個部分我請部長這邊再稍微去做一個後續的去一個follow那我想要特別講一個狀態就是說對於這些愁色光電的業者的時候我們是不是可以在這樣子的漁電工生政策當中同時要求他們來切捷協助來輔導這些本來 |
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不是一個合法養殖戶能夠變成合法化這個部分部長可以在這邊做一個要求我想這個部分我們一定會用更積極的方式去協助那我們會看到現在很多問題就是沒有實際養殖然後地主就是我們現在先把地主的問題解決了因為地主的部分我們能夠讓他確保有農保 |
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那這樣的話他比較敢簽這個這個承受的一個證明啊以前是怕簽結簽了以後我就沒有地了沒有地的話就農保就會退掉所以我把農保資格維持以後他就不願意比較願意簽第二個就是除了養殖登記以外還有一個陸魚的申報也可以 |
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然後如果是會員也可以所以我們有更多的管道是能夠讓他把它變成一個合法化的方式來處理部長因為這個問題坦白說現在漁業的問題是一件部分那綠能政策又是一件事情因為台灣坦白說又缺電所以如何怎麼樣能夠把這東西做好平衡我覺得很重要那我們希望能夠再協助輔導這些 |
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漁業養殖戶的時候的時候呢然後也能夠讓整個光電的發展能夠比較好能夠讓整個產業能夠順利往前推動那最後部分我想說請那個部長這邊針對新竹南寮漁港淤積的問題因為之前有特別提到說要把頭前溪跟那個南寮漁港這個如何去解決這樣的一個淤沙問題的時候要做一個那個 |
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我們今年大概有八千萬去處理這部分的一些實質是淤沙的產出今年有八千萬是不是後續還會處理那我在想說因為南苗漁港的淤沙跟整個頭前溪的一個流向有很大的問題還有東北季風所以我們希望能夠有效的來解決它而不是只是一個對 |
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我們必須做水工模型才能夠長久是 OK那之前有講這個部分我不知道後續進度如何 |
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你說明一下根委員報告目前就委託海大正在做評估當中那這一個計畫到明年會截止那整個期末報告出來的時候到時候可能也可以邀請委員一起來參與來了解這樣子OK 好 謝謝吳董難得漁港的魚殺問題請部長這邊特別的關注對不起委員因為你這張簡報我必須要再次的澄清就是清查農保老農被養套殺這是不對這是錯誤的訊息因為65歲以上 |
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土地就不需要持有一定一分地的部分所以615這一項完全沒有沒有去處理這個農保的問題了所以絕對不是老農的養套謝謝部長因為這個問題其實我剛剛在過夜所以我沒有主動問可是謝謝你主動回應謝謝謝謝鄭正前委員那順便拜託鄭委員幫我 |
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我們接下來請一下葉宇昱召委好 謝謝那是不是有請部長請陳部長 |
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部長好部長我看到現在立法院有一個提案是由民眾黨黨團提出的他是針對全國農業金庫獨立董事的提名他們希望去做改變那我們也知道農業金庫他裡面有將近有7000億的存款 |
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那所以由農業部指派專業的獨立董事來做好監理以及管理整個農業金庫的運作我想這件事很要緊但是民眾黨忽然提出說他們希望要改變農業金庫獨董的一個提名 |
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這讓我很高興農委長請教一下部長你怎麼看待現在立法院有這樣的一個提案我跟委員報告就是農業金庫是整個我們農業信用部的上位的一個銀行那他肩負了非常多的重要的政策的推動的執行者包括我們所有的農業的專案貸款 |
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這個部分還有銀行各地銀行的轉存款然後他去投資的部分所以相對的他是穩定台灣農業的金融非常重要的一個公司那他本身的董事裡面現在公股的部分有六席我們農業部主導的有六席民股的有四席那獨立董事五席可是相對的以他們的提案的理由是說農會有沒有希望有他的一個 |
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固定的一個推薦那相對的現在目前15席董事裡面其實農會的代表已經有9席了啦其實有適當的代表權了可是非常重要的喔各位都知道農會本身它每幾年就會做改選它有一些不穩定性那如果農業金庫獨立董事用推選的方式不是由農業部推薦的方式的話很有可能經營權 |
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就會被一些農會拿走那相對的菁英圈拿走其實對國家的農業的這個金融是一個災難所以你講的重點啦說重點是農業金庫它的持股我們農業部有持股當然各個農會也都有持股 |
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但是重點在於說農會它是基層在基層的話它的一些專業判斷難免會有所偏頗所以我們比較需要農業部要做這個專業的然後做一個比較上位階的因為這是管理整個借款的農業金庫7000億的借款所以我覺得這件事非同小可知識體大 |
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所以要好好去正視這個我想我們也會持續跟各個委員溝通因為農業金庫它不像一般的銀行它對穩定我們農業金融是有非常重要的很多人不了解以為說獨立董事因為照規定他也不需要就是有他的提名權 |
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那我們也很願意接受人家的推薦我們一起來努力我想部長一旦農民或者是農企業一旦有需要的時候我想農業部都是很贊成利用農業金庫的這一些資金然後給他們借貸給他們讓他們去發展他們的農企業 |
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我想這是農業金庫跟農業部共同的一個意旨啊我們有曾經說農民或農企要借款的時候我們很惡意的刁難我想應該也不會這樣嘛那如果在這個前提之下我們除了發展農業接下來要監管這些預算這方面現在也很危險對 所以相對農業金庫的經營權就非常重要啦你如果沒有這個經營權的話以後農業的金融的措施就如果不配合的時候 |
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那所有的金融的所有的我們金融的一個支持給農民的這些支持完全就會被別人所掌控好那接下來我再問第二個議題這個議題一樣是就是民眾黨我不知道他為什麼一直要針對針對我們農業部來 |
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他們現在說要剪裂農業部的特別收入基金就是你早上在報告的時候你說因為他們剪裂了這個特別基金那一旦我們的農業部的基金預算一旦被剪裂的話就沒有辦法動之第二預備金來做 |
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接下來的一些 如果資金不足的時候有辦法動資所以你有講到說 啊 剛才天然災害啊 今年災害比較嚴重的時候有可能我們就沒有辦法動資預備金來協助農民度過天然災害我想這件事情有夠嚴重我們就要 今天要開始 我們就要開始小聲拜拜開始拜託眾行民 我們媽祖婆一定要台灣放掉巫孫 |
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出現災害我預備金沒夠部長去年大概動用預備金協助農民大概花了多少錢我們平均每一年動用就是操織我想操織的部分平均大概30億到50億那天然災害我們去年操織多了就是40億那這40億就是由行政院來協助提供其中有一部分是用二倍金給我們 |
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所以那一年如果知道像去年3個紅胎嘛3個紅胎所以就有40億嘛對不對那很明顯是不夠預算額不夠不夠需要用二倍金來協助對 二倍金或其他現在問題很大耶你說因為他簡略砍了九千萬九千萬雖然起來是砍不多但是他影響的結果就是預算法第22條第二項不得動之欲備金這樣要怎麼辦啦所以這個部分因為已經 |
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已經成了 |
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最後就是已經刪了嘛那現在唯一的就是說我們真的不夠的時候我們還是會向行政院爭取看除了第二預備金以外還有沒有其他的經費啦那經費要沒有其他的經費的時候就不能用預備金啦對其他經費不就要再用特別預算那有可能就是同意我們先借資啦就是用農債基金去借啦因為農民如果受損的話我想政府的承諾一定要做到這很嚴重欸政府的承諾不能跳票這很嚴重欸當然說嘛沒風災 |
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阿沒有天然災害最好啦阿我先災害阿農業部當然要趕快幫助農民阿還有一個重點阿所以這個砍預算這個嚴重在這裡阿除了天然災害以後還有一個部長你早上你只是輕輕去點到可是換一天我就知道說喔這事情嚴重 |
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對 還有一個很重要的產銷調節啦產銷調節也在基金在執行那每一年的產銷調節我們也是操之因為有時候那個產量太多的時候我們做一些調節的部分嘛所以這個部分都是跟農民的權益他的一個生活的支持跟他的所得都有相對的影響啊 產銷調節也要來一家 不能當預備金這樣拿起來就越嚴重啦產銷調節需要的是很多錢耶 |
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所有的基金都用到啦肥料的補助啦我覺得現在很多人都輕描淡寫說農業部預算總額有增加所以砍預算沒有差農業部的預算總額增加是你們的法定支出增加吧 |
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你們對農民的照顧啊包括說他們的一些保險啊農業災害的法定支出那部分是增加的啊農業部從農委會升格為農業部那時候所有的委員都希望說升格了以後 |
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争取更多的机会为我们的农业的基础建设跟我们的福利做照顾所以我们在去年我们平均去年的部分我们增加了80亿那今年我们也预计增加了80亿结果被删掉剩下63亿这63亿是新的工作不是说我们都不做事就平工增加了以后给你删我们是增加很多新的工作而这个新的工作被删了20亿以后其实就变成 |
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卡在那邊了所以部長我透過這個質詢我就是覺得說我們農業部一定為了農民這事情已經不是跟他有什麼問題這是為了農民農民是需要這條錢你現在人家拿這個高清高清滿英雄高的是後面的40億後面賭到財海沒辦法用到財海的第二億北京 |
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所以這為了農民 我們這件事要公清澈 要謹慎辦法 好不好我看起來他們也不可能啊 現在看起來國民黨我們副議也沒過啊 希望重新討論 也沒辦法啊好不好 部長所以這是為了農民 這件事要謹慎辦法 好不好好 謝謝謝謝徹宇 趙偉 |
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好 下一位請李坤城委員質詢謝謝主席我們請陳部長還有這個動保司的江市長好 金部長跟江市長部長好 市長好這個 |
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因為現在這個很多的民眾都把寵物當成是家人那所以說在過世之後也會舉辦這個比較隆重的商禮那所以呢有這個寵物的生命紀念夜越來越多那這個你們在2023年的7月份有一個定定的非都市土地申請變更為 |
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寵物生命紀念設施施用新辦事業計畫審查作為要點是名稱很長好請教一下這個從這個2023年7月到現在有幾件來申請了現在目前我所了解是73件來申請那其中有被駁回的大概是那個21件那退辦的話大概20件那通過的話大概有17件那其他15件在審查 |
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所以實習建材合格通過,那這合格通過之後還要交回地方政府再做審查嗎?對不對?那目前現在全國合法的冰葬業者,寵物的生命經營業者有幾家?跟委員報告,目前完成地方政府核准的有兩家兩家,這兩家在哪裡? |
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目前的一個處理在桃園跟那個台中市好 桃園台中是因為他們有這個自治條例的關係嗎對 相關的自治條例好 那所以 我的問題來了第一個就是說有70幾件來做申請然後呢 因為農業部要先做審查再交回地方政府那光是農業部這邊兩年多來才核准了17件這速度上面會不會太慢 |
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而且你們是用書面審查的方式嘛是不是你們大概平均一個案件審查大概需要多久時間這個我請我們的市長好請市長那個跟委員報告我們說到案子的話那個會相關單位一個案子大概要兩個月一個案子要兩個月準駁兩個月的時間然後就那個開會然後再做一個準駁對好那我的意思是在於說因為你們 |
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這個有那個要點出來的然後各縣市政府也都知道嘛那為什麼不把這一個這個第一階段的審查就直接交由地方政府來做就好了因為我看你們這一個要點裡面啊你們有規範的說這一個比如說這個存放還有處理的設施然後呢接下來呢還有這個有關這個 |
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要怎麼去做辦理都是由交由地方政府的不管是這個城鄉局啊 農業局啊 地政局 環保局 水域局等等這都是地方政府在做審查的嘛那我的意思是說那為什麼要跌床駕屋就是說你就直接交由地方政府按照你們的這一個作業要點來做這個審查就好了啊我想這個部分謝謝委員的關心那會後我想我會去評估說 |
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是不是直接可以移到地方政府來審或者是在審查的時候是一個聯席會議的方式聯席會審的方式能夠縮短這樣的一個時間不會說做審問因為你們也是做書面審那你們審查的東西其實跟地方政府審查的東西其實是內容應該是大同小異吧對不對我想 |
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農業部審查的是大的規範然後地方審查是根據它的地方自治的部分它的一個個別的規範大的規範你就按照你們這個作業要點來處理就好了因為我看到你們作業要點裡面很多地方當然有做規範那只要地方政府按照你們這個規範來做然後最後他們其實能不能成立也都是由地方政府我剛才講的那些相關的局處來做其實跟我們農業部也沒有關係所以我是覺得說 |
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現在是有這個需求但是在時程上面其實是慢了很多那你農業部審一次然後核准之後再由地方政府再審一次然後再送給這個農業部時間花太久了我了解那個委員的關心點但是有一個重要中央審查的時候其實他雖然說書面可是他的著落點有沒有他跟周遭的這些東西都需要一些套圖跟一些確認 |
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不過我想這個地方也可以做啊地方這個套圖跟那個因為主動結識在我們地方的農業地震都可以做啦沒有這個部分可能我想我們會依據委員的想法我們看看有沒有辦法簡化這個流程還有中央跟地方的 |
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分工的部分也要做一個確認啦這個部分我想我們會來努力就是說就算地方沒有這個自治條例可是我們中央有這個要點按照這個要點來做就可以了嘛對不對我想我們朝這個方向看看簡化這樣的一個方式如果地方自治條例沒有出來的時候是不是可以繼續往下走啦 |
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那我再問因為現在只有這個作業要點那可是也衍生很多的一些亂象那一些亂象就是說這個譬如說收費沒有統一的標準那如果業者如果惡性倒閉不知道怎麼去求償然後還有仲介業者洋裝是業者然後消費者也沒有辦法去做處理然後設置地點有可能不符合法規但是消費者也不知道然後寵物遺體處理方式也不一致林林總總的請問一下 |
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這個是中央農業部來管理呢還是地方政府來做處理呢如果有這些爭議性的話 |
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我想我們為了解決這個爭議性,我們會用定型化契約來做一個規範所以目前沒有這個定型化契約?現在目前沒有對阿,因為我是說,因為現在變成是你沒有中央一個就像你們講的一個定型化契約或是一個統一的法規然後變成說在地方政府遇到這些亂象的話變成說處理也不一致 |
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那我是建議說就像部長講的就是說我們中央有一個契約讓地方的政府或是業者都能夠來遵循好不好我想我們會儘快 |
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我可能的話我希望在三個月之內都能夠把定期文化契約公告讓業者或事主有所依循因為現在在處理這個可能都是口頭約口頭講一講那後來出問題以後你完全沒有合約規範的話也很難處罰所以我覺得定期文化契約應該要更快的去落實至少三個月內提出來好不好因為這個就是說有需求的 |
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民眾越來越多然後業者也越來越多但是你沒有一個相關的規範要到地方去然後大家也不知道是怎麼去做處理我們盡快的來努力的做謝謝部長 謝謝市長 謝謝主席謝謝我們李昆城委員那就有請農業部就正視這個議題來 下一位請黃婕委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們請部長好有請部長兩位好 |
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好部長好我要來跟你請教一下這個比特犬的問題喔因為其實最近這個比特犬有一隻叫Lucky然後上了媒體大家非常關注那其實我知道這個比特犬現在全台灣光是你們登記的就已經有3974隻沒錯那其中最多登記的其實是在高雄 |
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接下來要如何管制其實我真的非常的我覺得必須要有更多管制的措施啦那這次的案件看起來其實是這個事主沒有盡到他的責任嘛我不知道說部長有沒有了解到這個案件我想基本上齁因為我們如果是被列管的時候你的出門一定有相關的規範規範是在那邊那最重要的是事主沒有依照這個規範去執行 |
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那問題就來了因為部長也知道說看起來是這個事主沒有因為他的他應盡的責任去執行可是光是媒體上披露的他攻擊路人的記錄就已經有四次然後在社區裡面甚至兩次讓他們社區的鄰居見血 |
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那甚至這媒體上面披露就已經是11天內兩度跳車去咬人家也就是說光是媒體揭露的就這麼多那我不知道說為什麼會一再的縱容讓像這麼具攻擊性的犬隻然後已經是有非常多次不良記錄的甚至是就媒體的揭露來說連同一個社區他的鄰居都不敢讓小孩去社區的中庭因為那一隻 |
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惡犬會在中庭去影響別人甚至是其他有養狗的鄰居也不敢把狗帶出來因為都怕被他攻擊那怎麼會屢次讓這樣的事情發生而沒有更好的機制像是在前面幾次發生的時候就沒入或者是其他更強制的方式去讓這個事主知道說不能一再的發生呢我想在從這個事件其實我們可以學到非常多的教訓就是說這些就是 |
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被列管的這些犬吃那他可能因為咬傷人但是沒有通報沒有通報這個部分我們要去加強讓民眾可以了解如果這種被列管的這種惡犬的部分我們應該怎麼樣去通報第二個部分我覺得說 |
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要即時的沒路 要落實這個即時的沒路 這個政策啦而不是由地方的這邊 因為透過很多關說他可能又可以繼續養所以這個部分我想我們後續會針對什麼條件之下要有一個很明確的強制沒路的部分會給一個比較明確的指引 |
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好 謝謝部長其實你提了兩件非常重要的改善的機制第一個就是我想問的這個通報的機制是不是應該要建立是而不是讓每次都是我們一次一次的媒體上面又發現才知道說原來這隻狗的不良記錄已經這麼多了然後第二個是說不可以因為有人去講一講 |
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然後就又放寬他繼續讓他在社區這樣子撒野是所以這兩件事情我是希望說接下來如何讓這個四組的責任教育更加強然後這個通報機制一定要建立然後是不是真的很明顯已經有攻擊性了那是不是及早的沒入 |
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這三件事情我是希望接下來農業部可以跟地方的政府的動保處來做一個完整的機制的調整那我也要講說其實2022年已經公告3月之後就公告說比特犬是禁養的然後但是因為現在就是還是有這麼多隻是因為他們已經養了嘛 |
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在2020年已經養了然後高雄就有500多隻所以接下來這總共近4000隻全台灣近4000隻的比特犬到底要怎麼去做更加強不要再發生這樣子的事件這個是非常重要的 |
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我想謝謝委員的提醒那後續我們會針對市主針對一般的利害關係人還有縣市政府的動保機關去做更加強的宣導跟他的一個預防作為那必要的指引我想我們中央農業部一定會有一個明確的指引下去 |
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好好謝謝部長承諾那最後一點小提醒啦因為就我所知有一些地方政府啊他不希望隨便的沒入犬隻當然不是隨便我覺得已經是具攻擊性的犬隻然後再加上他這一隻狗本身就已經是他也有過去不良的攻擊性的行為了那很多地方政府說他們不敢沒入的原因是因為收容不足收容量能的問題不能變成是他們不敢沒入的原因是 |
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所以這件事情如何去協助地方政府來解決我覺得也是非常重要的對 這個議題其實也凸顯了就是寵物的分級分類的管理的重要性所以我想後續我們會持續在努力然後針對收容的部分其實問題更大因為我們的收容量能不夠那我們怎麼樣把收容裡面的犬隻做一些更優化的一個措施我想我們會來努力好 謝謝部長好 再拜託謝謝 |
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好謝謝 謝謝黃婕委員那下一位請徐欣寅委員質詢謝謝主席 本席請農業部部長陳部長好有請部長委員好 |
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部長好 辛苦了從早到中午過後還沒用餐本席在這裡要借用短短的時間要反映一些基層農民的一些反應的問題首先第一個就是我們在疫情期間肥料的購買 |
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本来是没有实名制好像那时候疫情期间为了避免囤积涨价开始实施实名制让民众觉得非常的不方便非常的繁琐特别是农民对于登录系统还有这种数位工具或者是地处偏远地带的农民他们觉得很困难而且没有弹性所以是不是可以这个 |
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看是有更彈性的政策或者是可以廢掉呢讓恢復原來的自由購買針對這個部長您看怎麼樣我先報告廢掉的實名是其實 |
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有兩個政策目標第一個目標你就針對我的問題好了因為我只有4分鐘好 實名制本身其實它並沒有造成非常大的困擾因為它只要第一次去登記以後它去買的話只要報電話號碼可是它不一定都跟這家它換到另外一家的時候我們現在就是目前有連通嗎我們很多網路網路後面去連線所以它只要登記一次到其他地方 |
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就可以報電話號碼就可以來處理了所以疫情過完不可能再恢復到疫情前那樣對因為肥料本身我們有很多的補助而且我們透過實名制可以指導他正確的用肥啦 |
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對 但是你就講到很多的補助他們就講說農業部官員都坐在辦公室搞不清楚第一線農民的情況因為他們的肥料的使用會根據他們種植作物有所不同所以不會是很死板的 |
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所以他们也觉得你们补助也是缺乏弹性所以是不是这个部分可以研拟一下好不好我反映到这剩下如果有要回应再看用书面因为我必须要反映一下包括我们还有就是说农民的贷款你有你百大青农跟这个一般青壮农这个贷款的 |
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它的優惠不太一樣那第一個他們是說因為這貸款嘛你不要獨厚百大親農是不是對農民你可以有一致就像我們一般人貸款我是 |
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這個叫做什麼被頒獎的那個叫什麼優秀青年跟我一般年輕人我去銀行貸款應該一樣嘛所以這一塊看可不可以研擬一下這個農民有很多的反應這第一個第二個就是說百大青農的評選標準有沒有 |
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在比較一致公平一點的因為基層農民會覺得說好像百大青農特別重視一些經營能力那特別在創新加值什麼財務管理品牌建立方面那看看有而且他說這種情況呢 |
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在較少人競爭的領域或地區比較有機會獲選那可能我們地區的農民就覺得說你看看這個評選的標準有沒有可能也可以再更公平一點這第一個第二個是拉回到剛剛講的就是那個貸款那如果說有一些青壯農他有 |
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獨特的農業貢獻 譬如他推動友善耕作支持地方農村活化 參與合作農業等等他雖然沒有辦法獲選百大青榮可是他的貸款你可以給他更多更優惠這有沒有可能朝這個方向 部長 |
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我想第一個要說明的就是我們現在貸款千年代改200萬五年免息嘛那百搭輕農他是加上去而不是說一般輕農減下來這第一個概念第二個就是您剛才講的部分那他的意思就希望說能夠更優惠一點所以我剛才說的就是他是有一個誘因那你剛才講除了百搭輕農有沒有一些配合政策而且做得不錯的我們給他機動的一個調整那這個我們會來研議因為畢竟他的利息是比較低的啦 |
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那最後就是針對漁業養殖設施的管理是這個不得設置床鋪那因為在食物上我們太多的很多養殖業者他們是說因為他們非常辛苦長時間要守在漁場 |
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那這個有誰夏天趕不住在漁場的他們一定不敢嘛一定會住在那稍有不慎損失慘重所以是不是可以考量養殖業者的特殊性能夠允許養殖設施管理室設置必要的休息設施可以嗎 |
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我覺得委員所關心的從大邏輯上是第一線第一線他們的聲音大邏輯我認同但是我必須考量到有一些就是有很多設施不管是農業的話你只要讓它有休息室那個休息室就越長越大這會變家對不對對 就會變家了那你去看嘛你看怎麼樣可以不要讓它變成那種畸形的變成家必要的休息我覺得是可以處理的 |
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但是我想我們會來研議看看因為我們有時候利益良好可是相對來就有我了解我理解我也認同你們好不好所以我們來看用什麼方式來處理因為他們要的就真的是一個休息好不好我知道好謝謝好謝謝許新穎委員謝謝下一位請林德福委員林德福委員林德福委員不在下一位請張雅玲委員 |
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謝謝 我們有請民運部部長好 有請部長 |
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我想因為去年年底我們公布了一個955的一個禁養關於異種的一個禁養的一個名單所以引發了非常非常多的抗議然後非常多的輿論的批評那所以在1月15號的時候當時我有協調了農業部來跟事主團體一起來做了一個討論釐清這些爭議但我想在整個過程之中其實都是我們沒有跟民眾 |
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相關利益團體做一些清楚的溝通所以我覺得是前期上面我們做得不夠好那這一點部長您認同嗎我想我非常認同就是說當我們一個政策下去特別有不同的利害關係的時候我們更應該把一些 |
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前世的相關的這些政策要做一個充分的溝通而不是讓外界語言突然蹦出來一個這個議題讓他們措手不及所以針對這個部分我想我們內部的這些標準作業程序我們也再做一個調整好 謝謝因為上個禮拜其實有討論一個叫做分級分類的一個管理那當時其實當動保跟東農院部的動保處動保司發通知給我們民間團體的時候他們其實在上禮拜一的時候希望可以增加民間的專家學者 |
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可是到禮拜一的時候給喔一直告訴我們說禮拜四的會議可是禮拜一給就說作業不及我想我們這邊其實也是非常希望的可以讓民間更多的參與讓大家可以來說論意見那下次這樣子的情形是不是可以不要再有了我覺得下次絕對不會發生現在的那些 |
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那些邀請也好或是什麼也好其實電子郵件一下子就可以確認了嘛不需要走這個流程那有一些是除了閉門會議閉門會議的委員不能臨時外加以外那其他的只要是溝通的邀請專家的部分我已經跟他們講就是說希望說 |
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就算你開會的當天有人願意來提出他的想法我們都應該很開心的接受好 謝謝因為我一直想說禮拜一通知到底為什麼禮拜四還是沒有這樣的時間會作業不緊那不過也非常謝謝部長的積極來處理那因為接下來我們還要來討論就是有關於這些風險評估的一個標準 |
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但是因為這裡面會有一些非常主觀的認定就是動物福利跟公共安全所以我想要了解針對這個部分我們有沒有一個相關的時程如何來跟民間團體跟利益團體來做一些溝通呢我們目前有相關的時程嗎我想我們並沒有很明確的什麼時候要公告這個禁止動物禁止飼養的但是風險的管理 |
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我有跟我們動保師談過希望他們有一個就是第一階段就是要將我們本身對於公共安全對於社會福利還有對於可能逃逸所造成的傷害的部分內部要先有一個有一個類似的一個指引完了以後才去做對外的溝通而不是自己都沒有想法拋出來直接去去廣結意見那樣就會開花很多議題就會開花所以這個部分 |
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我希望說他們能夠盡快的提出來然後再把這個時程再提供給委員好 我希望我們可以在一個月以內再召開下一次的會議好不好那這個相關的時程是不是可以在一個禮拜左右送給我們辦公室呢一個禮拜可以嗎 相關的時程 |
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好 謝謝那再來還是要回到比特犬的這個問題就是說比特犬剛剛其實黃姐委員也有問的那我想針對一個問題來討論就是說根據動保法32條其實當如果這個動物無故侵害他人之生命或身體製造成他人生命或身體傷害之動物就可以得進行沒入嘛32條是這樣規定可是在這個案例裡面其實是間隔了11天那我不曉得部長您對於這樣子的一個處置您的看法是什麼 |
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我個人認為就是當然事主跟狗不管他是不是攻擊犬他有他的一個依賴感就是所以我覺得我個人可以接受的是如果出犯你可以類似留校查看第二次的話一定要強制沒入因為第二次表示你有可能再犯了但是因為現在法規寫一個德制那個德制就完全操縱在 |
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一個行政的裁量那行政裁量萬一有人關說的時候那就可能就不處理了但是我覺得要有更明確的中央的指引我覺得這個部分我們農業部會來做我想再請教一個問題就是說每一個縣市政府的這個裁量標準你覺得現在是一致的嗎 |
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我想可能因為其實我們也有看到一些案例嘛它有的不是一次兩次有到三次四次它都還沒有沒落嘛那剛剛當然有收容的問題可是我覺得這個財量標準應該有必要找地方縣市政府一起來討論一個一致性因為應該不會有台北市的命比較貴重然後哪個地方命比較賤吧應該沒有吧 對不對所以我們應該要用一視同仁的標準來去確認這件事情所以是不是可以召開相關的會議來把我們各縣市的財量標準拉起呢 |
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我覺得這個我們會立即去做去召開各縣市政府針對這個構建系統的權得目錄這件事情的一個指標跟標準然後如果大家有共識的話我們農業部就會發函到各縣市有一個相關的一個參考的指引這樣子 |
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我想 我覺得可能也要來瞭解一下地方縣市他們現在在組織的想法是什麼啦我覺得可能先大家一起來討論之後我們來訂出一個財洋標準我覺得那才是實務上可行的啦不過我還是要再更正一點提醒一點就是說不是只有攻擊性的不是只有比特犬喔因為現在咬傷的狗咬傷人的狗並不是只有比特犬像昨天也是有類似的新聞所以我們應該是針對於狗狗的某種行為的狀況之下我們的一個財洋標準要拉起謝謝 |
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好謝謝張雅玲委員那下一位請陳冠廷委員發言你好我們請部長有請部長 |
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部長好部長今年的年初我們嘉義縣有發生這個馬鈴薯的受災的狀況 |
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因為今年底的颱風然後還有今年初的連續降雨導致馬鈴薯出現裂窗腐爛那當然新港鄉是主要的受災地區還有包含溪口等地那新港鄉的種植面積大概是500多公頃那現在是認為說損害率未達20%所以沒有辦法啟動災害的 |
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救助可是很多鄉親是在反映他說單一作物的種植面積常常達不到救助的門檻所以有一些寧願在風土氣候土壤沒有那麼適合的地方但還是想要種少量的其他作物讓這個作物有點零碎化的狀況出現那沒有辦法發揮出最大的效益經濟效益就沒有辦法出來所以我今天看到部長您的業務報告有提到要徵休 |
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農業天然災害的救助是用天氣參數這個東西那這個機制加起來之後如果滿足我們天氣的參數規定是不是就可以加速這個啟動救助或者是免除限勘我想確認一下這一個機制能夠讓損害力的認定的門檻放寬嗎 |
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我們現在就是積極啟動那個天氣參數嘛那天氣參數有兩類喔一類是那個災害的天氣參數那災害的天氣參數能夠加速公告另外一個是災損的天氣參數那災損的天氣參數你如果達到的話就是不用去現勘 |
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所以這個部分我想我們會積極來處理那委員所關心的就是說當一個地區500公頃500公頃以下大概5%500公頃以上是25公頃那這個部分我已經請同仁再去做一些更精細的規劃 |
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一部分不要不一定要用鄉鎮或是縣市的因為他用產區的概念也許隔壁的產區他這個縣市可能只有3公頃可是隔壁的產區有沒有就鄰近的他是屬於其他鄉鎮的我們是不是有機會把他併成一個產區的概念來處理我想我們有很多的方法是可以做調整 |
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但是這個部分可能容許我們同仁花一點時間我想我們朝著就是簡化的方式讓農民受災的農民得到真正的救助的方式我們來做一個逐步的來調整謝謝部長我剛剛聽到產區來去做調整這個是一個非常正面的回覆那我們是予以肯定因為我們特別講天氣參數的原因是因為現在很多都要我們的稍微年長的農民使用APP來去做一個這個通報 |
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但是這些年長農民可能可以電話來通知公所但是叫他們使用APP真的是有一定的困難所以我們肯定如果未來這個把天氣參數加進去的話那自動來去做一個處置的話那這是一個正面的開示那第二個部分就是你剛剛提到的用產區因為我們從新港到溪口到大連 |
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其實基本上他們都可以算是一個產區那我們也是希望說能夠從優來去協助我們這些農民因為他們儘管是很希望我們實際上我們都有去走前天才剛去可是有的時候為了要搶救搶收這個作物等於說這些我們的相關部門來的時候他已經基本上已經被收完所以說 |
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比較困難啦 所以說今天不斷有說到我們用這個不管是用天氣參數還是用產區這一個方面我們是給予大大的肯定啦我們是希望說未來可以來去往這個部分做因為我們不希望說我們農民把它降低單一作物的比例這對我們的農業經濟來講也是一個損耗啦那再來就是要請教這個部長關於電價調漲補助的部分 |
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最近我們嘉義縣的火龍果產區但其實也不是火龍果產區而已吼那包含去木啊吼還有這個水質養殖的漁業等等都有反映說他們很擔心電價調漲之後吼那些需要夜間照明促進開花結果的這些作物會受到影響那我之前也有跟經濟部長 |
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有跟他這個質詢的時候有請教他說會跟農業部來討論說怎麼樣來去做一些補貼的方式來去輔助我們滿足我們農民的需求 |
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那當然我們知道說在野黨他現在把這個要撥給台電的1000億的這個刪除後看起來電省會會還是會提高電價那這個部分部長我們該怎麼處理有沒有考慮來去追加我們的相關的這個預算來去吸收漲價差額讓我們的農民能夠安心的來去生產 |
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我跟委員報告就是針對用電的優惠跟用電的補貼來協助減低農民的負擔這個政策永遠都在而且會持續去做那早期是由台電吸收那後來是由我們的主管機關要編列所以去年那一波 |
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內部的調升我們就編了大概24億多來協助農民去讓農民的電費實際上不漲價差有補貼優惠也繼續存在那這一次的一個電價是不是會調整我不知道但是如果有調整的時候我們還是秉持同樣的一個政策 |
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我們會積極的向行政院去爭取額外的經費來協助農民來減低他的一個負擔謝謝部長 朝這個方向來去努力讓我們的農民能夠安心因為賴總統也有說均衡台灣那農民是我們均衡台灣的一個很重要的里程碑那也希望部長能夠再多加關心這一個部分所有的政策都是農漁民優先好 政策是農漁民優先感謝 好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳冠廷委員質詢那我們下一位請賴慧元委員賴慧元委員賴慧元委員不在請羅明才委員羅明才委員羅明才委員不在請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在請陳培鈺委員陳培鈺委員陳培鈺委員不在 |
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