| IVOD_ID |
165437 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165437 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:14:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:27:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face80c78a5d41d73a7d8ff38efa2589ba080834c22697b3aa2a56a65096fc31f86f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:07 - 12:27:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長及行政院主計總處就「癌症新藥暫時性支付及罕見疾病藥物專款預算運用成效及政策檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
(討論事項)
審查
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十五、委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「癌症防治法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「癌症防治法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
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【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答；討論事項僅詢答】） |
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是 主席 麻煩有請衛福部時事部長以及健保署陳署長黃委員好部長好 署長好今天這場質詢最主要的重點是要幫我們所有的新北市民來請命為什麼我說有必要幫所有的新北市民來請命我們先看一下數據 |
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這個官方數據的統計是我先從2019年開始看2019年每萬人醫療攻擊新北市全國倒數第二全國倒數第二書難想像最後一名是金門金門的醫療問題你們在那邊有鼠立醫院 |
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有很多金門的鄉親跟我澄清這個是下一次質詢的重點我先謝題讓部長可以回去好好準備但今天我要處理的是新北市的問題新北市每萬人口急性一般病床數只有17到18床 |
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2019年17床這兩年多一點點到18床來依照衛福部你們頒布的標準每萬人急性一般病床數要有幾床跟委員報告我們10床以下是短缺就是缺乏不好意思請針對問題回答但是我們的平均現在是設定在30平均你們設定的目標值每萬人要有幾床 |
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你自己的業務自己不熟我們沒有這個叫做目標來看一下衛福部醫療網計畫全程目標規劃執委急性一般病床數每萬人口35床這個是衛福部的報告部長你新上任我給你一點時間自己的業務要熟我洪國昌絕對不會隨便編造數字的這是你們衛福部報告自己寫的但我現在看不懂不管你講的30床 |
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或者是我援引的衛福報告的三十五床每萬人三十床也好 三十五床也好結果現在新北市新北市每萬人只有十七到十八床太離譜了吧 |
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真的是太離譜了吧所有的數字我把它全部都統計出來新北市來來來部長看一下數字我如果update到2024年的時候一般急性病床數新北市18.96六都最低我們來看一下全國32全國32新北市只有18.96 |
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我看了這個數字以後我再懷疑說新北是不是很偏鄉住的人是不是很少結果新北市全國人口數最多的第一都但是每萬人分配到的一般急性病床數只有18.96不針對這個現象打算怎麼辦有計畫嗎還是沒有計畫新北市的人生病鼓勵大家跑到台北來看就好了 |
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這個我認為是個問題所以我請教部長你有什麼計畫還是部長要跟所有的新北市人講這根本不是問題你們新北市的人生病就乖乖去台北市看就好了是這樣嗎 |
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來 請教部長跟委員報告那麼過去呢在大生活圈的概念下那確實新北跟台北很多的這個行政區是劃在同一個醫療網裡頭就是所謂的我等一下再跟你講醫療網我等一下再跟你講醫療網後來有辦法再做一些調整因為新的生活圈在形成沒有關係啦你認為這四個問題我覺得四個問題面對這個問題你要怎麼解決 |
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你檢討需要多久沒有關係你檢討需要多久板橋的地方那個是侯友宜市長的努力啊 |
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他的努力歸他的努力 我現在是問衛福部啊你打算要怎麼辦 你剛剛承認是問題了嘛那我現在的問題是 你要怎麼解決問題啊我們面對問題 才能解決問題嘛你願意面對問題 承認是個問題 我肯定啊現在我要的是 你要怎麼解決問題啊需要多久 |
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大概也要一個月的時間我給你一個月喔一個月以後請衛福部給我一份完整的報告你們要怎麼解決這件事情我願意等你一個月從今天開始算我願意等你一個月剛剛啊你說你們有分區域嘛台北二級醫療區域啊西區 |
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人口最多什麼是西區包括你剛所講的板橋新莊土城樹林三峽英哥新莊板橋土樹山陰這是你們分的二級醫療區域的西區人口最多160萬人每萬人急性一般病床數最少這就是你剛所講的分區 |
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我代部長看第一個是大的新北市的picture第二個按照你們的醫療分區我再往下分第二級的西區比新北市人口數最多的160萬人居住在你們所謂的西區結果更慘更慘平均的病床數更低每萬人只有14床 |
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越來越糟糕剛剛你說這是個問題要解決問題所以新北市他們提出了板橋醫療園區的申請案2020年9月這是內政部通過都市計畫變更他要先變更2021年依照內政部所通過的都市計畫變更他核定了板橋醫療園區的西部計畫 |
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核定了四部計畫以後2022年6月衛福部同意板橋醫療園區的計畫多499床我老實講啦 499床除以160萬人每萬人多幾床3床不要說跟其他都比啦離全國的平均還很遙遠但總是個進步嘛 |
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總是個進步嘛提供給我們新北市民或者是具體的講新北市你們所劃定的西區班橋 新莊 土樹山陰那邊的新北市民有一個公平可以親近 |
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的醫療環境我覺得這是地方政府跟中央政府要攜手合作責無旁貸的責任現在我看不懂的事情是什麼這是個問題侯友宜市長他提出了這個問題他還提出了解決的方案他規劃了板橋醫療園區內政部也同意了你們衛福部也同意了結果搞到今天現在卡關了 |
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為什麼卡關 我下去了解卡關的理由是你們的健保署從今年第二季起全面採醫院總額管制對新設醫院採病床及額度限制導致這個園區做不下去了部長這件事情有沒有掌握這個我了解 這個今年第二季開始 對 |
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那現在怎麼辦因為你們這樣的總額管制所以你認為是問題的新北市民的權益也好新北市西區的權益也好就要被犧牲掉嗎 |
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跟委員說明 對新社醫院我們有一套的給予額度的方式他是逐年的開放 並不是說沒有關係啊 我現在只問你嘛 剛你承認這是個問題嘛那我現在問的是 你要怎麼解決問題嘛那我現在看到的是 中央不僅不解決問題 |
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還在卡新北市要解決問題的侯友宜市長我看不懂啊今天如果新北市這個板橋醫療園區會造成醫療資源的浪費醫院太多了病床太多了浪費健保資源那我會說侯友宜你不對侯友宜你不對你怎麼會在有這麼多醫療資源的地方還要蓋新醫院亂搞 |
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你衛福部卡他我認同但人家現在在設的是什麼就是有缺的地方啊每萬人的平均急性一般病床數全國最低耶你們還在卡人家是有政治考慮嗎 |
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這個跟委員報告 當然這個醫院喔 設在什麼地方還可以討論啦 因為所以你們有另外主義的地點是不是以板橋而言喔 他不能說這個地區是所以你們有另外主義的地點是不是 醫療事業不夠啦但是整個大區 我們先回去看2022年6月 不就是衛福部同意的嗎 |
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所以你覺得2022年6月衛福部同意板橋醫療園區的這個計畫是個錯誤嗎要撤銷掉嗎既然已經同意了對啊那只是現在卡在後面所以我就看不懂啊之前同意了現在用別的問題技術性在卡沒有卡他啦就是他要分期開設的概念而已我們剛剛已經說明了他會有分期開設的額度並不是完全不給他額度來齁上一次 |
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媒體報導了以後衛福部的次長說會進一步瞭解現在瞭解完了沒有我看到你們很會講光話在媒體上都很會講光話現在瞭解完了沒有十月說會瞭解嘛現在瞭解完了沒有我們會進一步再深究啦不過就是還是那一句話就是前面是初步瞭解現在是進一步深究未來他還是可以開設但是 |
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未來還是可以開設 要再拖多久要卡到侯友宜卸任嗎不會啊 不會啊 我們是按照外民進黨的人當市長馬上就OK嗎 是這樣嗎已經同意了 對嘛這就是問題啊 你已經同意啦用其他的方法去卡人家 我有說錯嗎沒有卡啦 我再說一次啊今天侯友宜如果把這個醫院放在病床過多的地方 浪費醫療資源 |
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我從歐商跳出來挺你衛福部 侯友宜你不對但人家就是把他放在有缺的地方是你自己喔 你剛剛都承認有缺的地方喔 要解決問題我看到的是地方政府要解決問題結果中央政府在卡沒有卡他非常好 那這個問題你需要多久 |
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之前媒體報導嘛然後你說好從今天開始你會進一步申救你申救需要多久 |
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不是 他現在已經同意了是啊就同意就去招標啊對啊 但是問題你設了那種限制了以後沒有沒有人家就坐不下去啦我們不是給零啊我們還是會給他足期的沒有關係啦他把他的時間到了我只要求一件事我接下來針對這件事情我非常的重視我會召開正式的會議來討論這件事我會邀請新北市政府的代表 |
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到時候也請衛福部或者是麻煩署長一起來參與我們怎麼樣解決這個問題能夠滿足新北市民特別是板橋新莊土樹山醫那邊的人他們的醫療需求請衛福部到時候一起參與我們坐下來把數字對清楚這樣可以嗎可以 我們會協助可以喔 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝接下來請羅廷偉委員來做詢問 |