| IVOD_ID |
165436 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165436 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:18:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:27:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face04aa8c94d17cf273fa47f864c5dfb45a0834c22697b3aa2a56a65096fc31f86f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:18:11 - 12:27:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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那請莊部長 呂次長委員好衛福部兩位好我想今天看到一個很傷心的新聞也就是有一位80歲的母親照顧重度身心障礙的孩子超過50年 |
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然後因為他自己的身體也沒有辦法再負荷所以他帶著讓孩子早點離開人世那台北地院雖然極盡所能的減刑還是判了兩年半然後希望見請總統賴清德來特赦我想這個案子是長照的悲歌也是我們衛福部長期以來我們希望接下去人民不應該無助到這種程度啦 |
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也就是說衛福部最近我看到部長開始在擔心將來的健保所以找了很多方法找錢然後還沒出師就生先死嘛就 丟起來了 |
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接下來健保當然是台灣人最重要的後盾但是長照政府做了這麼多的長照我們還是沒有辦法挽回這樣的生命所以次長看到這個案子我們應該做些什麼除了請求總統特赦之外還有多少長照被割證在上演 |
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非常感謝委員對於這個案子的關心那我覺得那個真的是也非常遺憾啦那個有出現這個漏洞那衛福部責無旁貸那我跟委員報告他這個案子我們現在目前會來做一些這個裡面有一些有關於高負荷家庭的一個我們的長照2.0一般的民眾大部分都可以Cover到現在Cover不到的就是重症 |
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叫做這種長期照顧最嚴重的是他可能也沒有能力也沒有辦法或根本不想請外籍移工所以弄得自己身心俱疲最後只能選擇 |
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把自己的孩子先送走我覺得這個才是我們今天要碰到的問題就是長照不剛剛只是每一天的這種簡單的喘息服務而已其實最嚴重的是這種重症的長期照護對吧 |
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沒錯 特別是七到八級這個重點所以除了你們在找健保的裁員其實我們在這一次立法院黨團台灣民眾黨已經提出了長照保險法提出了一年了長照保險其實就是跟健保的概念一樣我們年輕的時候出一點 |
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然後share這些可能尤其是像這種重症沒有辦法被現有的所謂的長照2.0照顧到的人他也許將來我們老的時候因為少子化的關係我們怎麼樣照顧我們自己 |
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所以長照保險是我們推動的我不知道衛福部有沒有想過要不要推動之前的邱太元部長說他去日本看過他們也正在考慮市長 你在衛福部這麼久你們的態度咧 |
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包委員 有關於財務的部分我們現在當然是稅收制你們現在的稅收花光就沒了啦包委員 我們現在目前2033億按照這個估計 即使在10年後我們現在目前大概也有剩餘還可以撐著住 但是10年後呢 |
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七百七十四不知道我們十年之後我們估計還可以剩 還有七百七十四七百七十四 你覺得台灣人那時候我們現在超高齡社會那時候還可以撐多久這樣的長照杯羹還會不會存在包委員 我們現在目前就是各方的意見我們都會來請聽長照保險是台灣必須要走的路所以我想財政部長在這我們現在每一年要溢出到所謂的長照2.0大概要多少錢啊 部長 |
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這個部分因為長照是各個有相關的稅源這個統計的數字我們會再提供給你們我們每年900多億有兩種稅一種是房地合一稅一種是菸酒稅我們常常說這兩個稅都是不公不義的稅 |
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結果我們拿去做長照而且不穩定的稅來源並不正當的稅 為什麼一個是炒作房地 一個是鼓勵人家又喝酒又抽煙不好啦我要說的是 對 政府非常認真的在走裁員 走長照但是它不是一個長久之計尤其是房地合一稅 去年的狀況怎麼樣 |
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去年還行但今年的房地合一所以其實收的是跟預算數是低的差很多對因為跟房地產的一個交易的狀況有關係 |
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來 央行副總裁副總裁你們第七次信用管制然後現在台灣說什麼房地產急凍然後房地合一稅是目前也算剛剛部長已經說了房地合一稅不好那是不是在央行打房成效著住的關係呢我想我們的我們對房地產就是你滿意的結果嗎我 |
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因為這是交易量的減少交易量減少有很多原因我想我們注重的是我們對於金融機構授信不要過度集中房地產這是我們的原則啦所以其實現在的問題就是我們兩個的政策真的就叫做左手打右手我們這邊拼了命的在讓年輕人買房推了新清安然後讓金融機構拼命的借錢給民眾來買房子然後我們的央行做信用管制然後現在 |
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房地合一稅不夠了然後我們的長照的錢可能也會不足對吧這是一個雞生蛋蛋生雞的問題所以莊部長接下去你的房地合一稅不好易租不到長照的錢還有現在我們上次問的住宅基金也需要這些相關的房地合一稅的撥補 |
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現在房地合一稅的數量會顯然減少你會預期達到我們預算額度會短處多少 |
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这个部分要等到年底才真正的会出来但是跟委员报告房地合一税的目的是希望就是说在房地交易的时候必须要克相关的税收而且要抑制所谓的短期交易是就是不能投机嘛就是在所谓抑制炒房那新清安基本上是辅助那只要不炒房这个税就收不到啊对啊 |
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對 那所以那至於長照的裁員究竟要以稅收制或保險制那當然是有衛福部去做評估我要講的是這三件事情其實是卡在一起政府要有長治久安的政策尤其是我還是要強調長照不應該建立在不穩定的裁員不公益的裁員炒作房地產的不應該是長照長期依靠的裁員 |
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衛福部必須要去正視的是我們怎麼樣讓長照成為將來百姓自己掏錢我願意自己掏錢養我自己的未來我們不要再看到一個母親要殺死自己的孩子來解決他的問題然後今天大家社會再來討論這件事這件事已經討論了快十幾二十年了長照保險可能是唯一的方法 |
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當年大家說健保健保我們現在花盡了力氣來補健保但是健保讓台灣成為最安全的地方之一同樣的長照如果依照現在這樣的制度或現在這樣的財源不穩定的情況下我們的未來的老年其實是非常可怕的 |
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而且現在21世紀2025年還有今天這樣的悲哀我覺得衛福部要把長照保險納入你們未來10年20年的考慮第二個裁員的部分這個稅不穩定菸酒稅更不穩定更不應該拿來做長照的裁員好嗎 |
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我希望這政策不要自己打自己第二個政策不要說出來第二天就不見了第三要推新政策可以先跟大家溝通最重要的是不要推出來一個惹人笑話好嗎好 謝謝非常感謝黃委員 謝謝 |