| IVOD_ID |
165433 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165433 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:04:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:15:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face23f0aebd2aa4c88c63fe2012470c75420834c22697b3aa2a884be6fd1f80153f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:04:50 - 12:15:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 主席請陳主委 |
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主委好 主委今天有幾個問題要向您來就教那首先我們先來看到前瞻基礎建設第五期的特別預算執行率那根據工程會最新的督導報告第五期的前瞻特別預算執行率從8.76%提升到22.48%那雖然成長了13.72% |
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可是距離年底的目標你們定的95%仍然是差到72.5%那也就是說從9月從9月的匯報到年底只剩3個月10月11月12月那等於說每個月要拉高24%的進度主委您認為這樣是真的可以達到嗎請那個公管處處長來跟你說明 |
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謝謝委員的關心那因為前瞻今年預算通過比較晚不過各個部會都在努力中那我們大概有盤整到年底他們可以執行的達成率大概也可以接近到九成以上這個我們也要求各部會來努力來執行以上 |
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所以是確定在實際工程現場24%是每個月24%是可以達到的嗎因為工程的他的特性是到年底的時候他會比較大部分的一個付款的一個動作那其他的他的工作期限是到年底的時候他會他的執行的部分會比較多因為這個會牽涉到整個 |
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因為在這個會議 你們雖然有宣布年底可以達標可是沒有說明各個計劃的進度落差你們有公布瓶頸的清單嗎我們有針對比較落後的一個工程來做列管然後追蹤 來加速他們的執行因為本期看到很多標案都還在審查設計預算也還沒有核定那代表這個執行率很可能只是帳面的數字所以不是實際的開工或是完工 |
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基本上假設有些是沒辦法在年底之前完成的話他們會以往自己移到別的執行率比較高的工程來執行那因為前瞻的部分因為到年底就會結束那因為今年那你們現在算的這個達成率是根據核銷金額算的還是實際的開工進度 |
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依照它實際的執行的進度來去做一個預估來所以是一個預估嗎那你們可不可以在下一次會議的時候公佈各項前瞻計畫它的實際的工程進度對照表因為本期看到你們都只有文字紀錄沒有錯吧目前你們有一個像是儀表版可以來做參照嗎可以 這個可以 |
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你們可以來做大碼可以那就請在下一次的會議希望你們可以公佈好主委本席認為你們的工程的效率不只有進度問題還有透明度的問題舉例因為現在缺乏分享公開看不到哪一些計畫它是執行順利跟哪一些落後還是您剛才這邊有提到都可以看得到嗎 |
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跟回補充報告 因為基本上我們會做一個大的一個統計那假設針對比較落後指標的工程我們也會在我們的每月的督導匯報去做一個提醒那因為這個 你們是每個月還是每一季我們每個月的督導匯報我們都會做一些列管跟提醒那這些資料當然委員家有需要我們都會提供給委員 |
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OK 好 謝謝那繼續我們來看到今天也有很多委員提到就是流標的問題那這幾年公共工程流標的情況越來越多那五年平均每年有4500件那它佔全部標案的一成那大型的建案中那流標超過三次的也有35% |
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那主要原因本席有看到營建業他們工會的調查是因為預算落後市場的行情那也有因為勞務跟材料上漲那契約是缺乏彈性的那再來還有驗收還有付款的期程過長現金壓力是比較高的嘛 |
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那以桃園的台鐵都會區捷運化的地下化工程為例有三個標案CJ11還有14 15嘛到現在都還沒有發包就是最明顯的例子那主委您知道今年截止那全國有多少標案是有多少標案是留保的請相關主管來說明詳細的數字 |
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跟委員報告那我們現在這個有流標的有流標過的案件喔那一年 |
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跟委員報告就是說我們目前統計順利決標是90%那所以倒過來是10%左右是沒有辦法順利發報 倒過來大概10%那其中因為預算不足的造成的占比你們有掌握多少嗎包委員這個部分我們是沒有很精確的統計所以你們沒有一個即時的監測機制不是我們有監測哪些案子目前還在流標但是跟委員報告剛委員提到的這個桃園的這三個案子因為他是屬於軌道系統 |
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那我只是以桃園這個例子來做舉例那你們是要等各個機關回報你們才知道呢還是你們自己本身就有一個監測的機制我們本身就有這個電子採購網本身就可以看得到目前的招訣標的狀況另外再請教那物價的調整機制那啟動的門檻你們有沒有一個啟動的門檻來了解就是從市場的物價上漲到核准調整平均要多長的時間 |
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跟委員報告這個我們每個月都有做工程會都有做實際上的物價調物價的訪查所以我們這個時間差基本上沒有沒有很幾乎可能都在一個月裡面都在一個月裡面那本席還是建議你們要設立一個像是來流標的預警系統嗎因為他的流標我們剛才本席有提到是百分之三十百分之三十五嗎那流標次數過多的時候你們可不可以就是主動的來檢討呢 |
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跟委員報告我們有我們有就是篩選工程採購五千萬以上然後兩次流標的當作我們去輔導對象的這個篩選的武術基礎那有一些的確是 |
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這個你遞到的基礎是一個浮動的公式嗎不是就是因為我們隨時都有資料庫所以我們會知道目前流標中的案子然後5000萬以上他流標幾次這個我們都知道那我們會去挑其中有些比較重要的大家關切的我們去做個案的輔導 |
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那你們有沒有掌握到市場的總量呢實際上就像捷運我們有掌握到捷運和軌道我們能夠做的廠商大概10家以內那現在的因為各個廠商的這個量就是目前在建工程的這個量都有一定的份量所以我們是有注意到這個未納量有不足的問題 |
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市長本身為流標不是市場的問題啦那工程會要主動的去盤點跟檢討為什麼這個流報率那麼高是我們對除了委員這個投影片上面的這些那個是我們一般通案性然後針對個別的類別像捷運它就是一個獨特的類別它有專業性還有這個金額高的特性 |
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那還有廠商少的特性所以這個我們都有掌握到這些狀況那我們也會去調整看跟各機關說哪些可能快做完了可以去要求邀請哪些廠商來投標OK好那主委我們接下來再看到我們近幾年地方工程有出現一個問題嗎有一個現象就一開挖就挖出被棄物的狀況您知道嗎您知道有這樣的現象跟狀況新聞上是偶爾會看到啦 |
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那像是我們桃園平鎮的三子頂的重劃區地底下他開發的時候就發現23萬立方公尺的垃圾那清運費光是清運費他就佔了13.3億那原本的預算1.9億那還有發生在桃園龜山社宅還有八德旗艦公園都有類似的情形嗎那造成延宕還有預算追加 |
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那工程會的資料也有顯示 去年工程 公共工程平均延誤的天數是92天那主要的原因 場地障礙跟地質不明 它是排在前兩名的那現行的地質調查規範 你們就只看只看研盤跟結構安全嘛 那沒有納入地底廢棄物前世的項目 也沒有要求主管機關來針對地底來進行評估 或是繳交完整的環境報告那本席想要問 |
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全國目前有多少工程因為地理廢棄物然後造成預算增加或是延誤工期主委您有講過嗎就是應該是當年大量的棄置那我想這個主管機關他在決定路線或決定場域的時候他們會進行必要的評估啦至於他有沒有詳細到說 |
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裡面有也許有文資文資也有可能或者有那麼多廢棄物我想這個不一定每個每個這個採購機關他都做這麼詳盡的調查那當然這個預算會增加預算增加那我想採購機關那必要的時候應該跟承攬的廠商做一些變更 |
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是那本來是希望之後可以把它納入啊就是就是工程要進行之前先做地底下面的就是轉有一個有一個是專探嗎有一個程序專探希望可以把它納入好嗎跟文報告就是說他基本上要看他工程的總列因為如果我們如果前面性的話恐怕會全面因為時間的關係不過我們就可以針對針對個案來看好不好OK好謝謝好謝謝邱若驊 |