| IVOD_ID |
165427 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165427 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T11:09:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T11:19:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facec9ee7148fa41f93f63fe2012470c75420834c22697b3aa2a3e3ed5aee600c39c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐富癸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:09:21 - 11:19:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請我們陳主委 請陳主委委員好 主委早 主委辛苦因為我知道你前陣子常常跑台南後面又到花蓮去救災的一個工作 很辛苦的那昨天這個宜蘭也有幾個鄉鎮面臨這個好雨的情形主委有沒有接到通知 還要接完沒有 |
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我昨天在宜蘭大概有幾個鄉鎮蘇澳東山羅東五結還有西北的壯圍大概比較靠海的地區就是有些災情但是嚴重程度不一 |
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主委我想這個我從去年一直都有在行政院開會的時候還有包含我們自己委員會都有特別提到我們現在這個極端氣候的一個嚴峻的一個挑戰那尤其我們現在這個好雨還有這個颱風的這個侵襲都不可避免但是我們現在在整個這個不管是中央的指揮體系還是地方的一個救災系統我都覺得這個界面上面還是有存在一些問題存在 |
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主委自己從台南跟花蓮這個救災裡面有沒有發現什麼樣的問題需要解決 |
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目前就災害應變中心來講主責的是內政部行政院也有災防辦 災防辦公室的確面對各式各樣的災害天然災害或者是說一些像化學工廠的大爆炸或者是氣爆之類各式各樣的災害如果說有一個機制 |
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或機構專責統合各種災害應變或搶災或者是當作這個災害應變中心的一個專責的比較專責的機構我想也是可以評估的 |
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主委我因為我自己過去也在屏東縣政府服務過那我們那時候也常常會有一些防災演練當然剛剛主委講的我們這個災害的這個類型都大不相同但是我們是期待從中央到地方應該是緊密合作分工負責把這個災難能夠盡快把它處理掉讓我們的傷亡降到最低我想這是大家共同努力的一個目標 |
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各式各樣的災害那除了中央會成立應變中心之外基本上就是各式各樣災害縣市政府地方 |
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也是這個災害應變的指揮官 那個縣長 縣長或市長就是指揮官各式各樣的災害只要發生在這個轄區之內他都應該主動來救災來應變這個是我們既有的災害防救法那麼體系是非常清楚主委所以我一直提出說我們應該有沒有考慮要成立一個防災部這個尤其面臨現在複合型的一個災害日趨頻繁 部長 |
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那個主委願意支持這樣的一個想法嗎要重要是大院要支持這個要成立一個部就可能這個原額預算分配或者是說部會的的數目那個都必須調整這是大事情那當然如果有這樣這個 |
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防災部是不錯啦我個人是傾向支持不過這個是一個必須茶葉政黨能夠協商都同意才有可能這個主委改天有機會我們也一起來努力看看 |
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主委那另外我想這個剛剛我們也特別提到公共工程流標的一個問題嚴重性那我想我們也檢視了一些去年各單位的一個工程類的一個採購的案件其中廢標兩次以上的比例勞動部有高達30%以上的案件都流標兩次那我們屏東縣政府也有一部分案件都流標那我想這個部分每次在委員會主委也是都會問這個問題主委那目前有沒有比較積極的一個做法 |
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目前就是我們的政府採購法已經預告會修正會刪除第一次決標的時候要有三家才能夠決的這樣的限制啦那當然也會同時有一些配套措施要求機關讓預算通過之後就必須予以公告那電子採購等等讓他更透明讓所有有興趣的產商更早知道有相關的配套 |
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我們都樂見你們的努力方向但是現在因為我們也碰到我們很多的機關包含這個營建 營造廠商整個都很困擾的事實上真的整個預算編列上面你們有你們的這個單位有單位的想法但是就業者來講他們工作量現在也很多他們不是不幫忙是真的有些有困難度那這樣的一個困境我們要怎麼樣去落實去解決 |
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副主委也提到就是物價或預算編列那工程會站在一些列管公共工程的基本設計審查的機關那包括費用那現在呢很多公共建設都本身預算裡面就有編的物條那剛才有提到說工期太長那太長那整個 |
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物價就會波動更大嘛所以將來我們公共工程會在審查這個基本設計的時候應該也要詳細的看他這個物條的比例跟他的工期是否合理的對應關係啦如果說工期很長你的物條編的很少那可能我們必須請他應該在在比較合適的來編列這個是 |
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物價的問題那缺工也是個問題因為我們現在移工申請也不是那麼百分之百都能夠符合業者的需求另外就是三次這個三家以上這部分也是一個問題那我們會盡量來克服 |
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主委我想我還是要再提醒有一個很嚴重的一個問題現在全國這個營建土石那個營建剩餘土石方這個非法棄置甚至到目前為止這個土質廠沒辦法去承受這個問題也造成很多的公共工程流標不敢標主委有沒有注意到這個問題 |
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公共工程不敢標很多建商不敢蓋房子那這一部分我認為銀件剩餘土石方或銀件廢棄物我剛剛提到在施工現場就要分類了把一些可燃的廢棄物分類出來其他比較乾淨的銀件剩餘土方或者是磚瓦這一類這一類都可以再利用他並不是什麼化工廠的有毒的廢棄物 |
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廢棄物本身都可以再利用所以我們社會上來看這個銀件土方的時候應該不要那麼負面的去看他不是說一定要拋到太空去他一定要有個去處嘛所以比較務實的他應該應用在可以應用在天海 |
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或者是有些地區本身就空洞了經過縣市政府核定他就可以去填他並不是說會造成土地這個受影響的一些化學的廢棄物所以這部分呢是應該這樣來看待不要說一碰到問題所有人說這個是廢棄物一定要去化或一定要 |
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拿到哪裡去 本身在當他申請這個建造的時候我們都要求廠商就要提出這個營建廢棄物的去化的計畫審核通過之後才能動工嘛 |
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等到他蓋好房子要拿使用執照的時候也必須審核他是不是有如實按照這個去化的計畫來進行那同時也監視車輛都有設這個GPS來管制所以我們認為營建土方的問題我們要加強力道來去化不管是再利用還是填海那個都應該 |
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國人都應該正面來看到看待這個問題因為你工程在進行不可能沒有這些營建剩餘土方或營建剩餘的這些磚瓦的廢棄物主委我想今天我特別提出這個問題就是發現我們目前這個很多坊間的公共工程包含剛主委講的各自的健康都面臨這樣的一個困境 |
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那我們沒有趕快把標準定出來SOP執行定出來這後面真的會越來越慘你覺得土資廠根本他不敢收他也收不了 他吃不下陳委員報告 基本上這個還是各縣市政府要想辦法該縣市他要有一些土資廠投進去設置要這些量他要有一些計畫那 |
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只要縣市政府 每個縣市政府他都有籌備這樣的去處 佔置或再利用這個問題就比較可以解決主委我也擔心以後我們屏東包含我們未來有高鐵有捷運這些重大工程 告訴你這都影響到後面的發包的一個問題主委謝謝 |