| IVOD_ID |
165425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165425 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T10:48:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T10:58:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face6724735442b141b363fe2012470c75420834c22697b3aa2ad6c50673e5555f625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:48:12 - 10:58:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席再次有請陳主委請陳主委 |
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委員長主委好我先代替族人就是特別謝謝這一次我們工程會作證整個花蓮的救災行動在這邊表達我們原住民族人的感謝那我今天也是想說來關心一些關於災後的狀況 |
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那個莫拉克災後重建條例他在103年的8月廢止那廢止之後呢就沒有法例可以來原用所以在105年9月的時候莫蘭地颱風肆虐台東那一帶受創非常的嚴重那個時候呢就特別的感謝工程會就出來主責 |
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邀請園民會內政部還是為鹽坪鄉的紅葉村做了永久屋還有台東大武鄉的愛國浦永久屋那麼園民會也在那次就是去做了一個簽件指引那其中也為了這個兩岸有成立一個災後復原重建專案平台的會議那這一次是繼我們莫拉克災後重建條例之後 |
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第二次出現就是丹納斯颱風及728的一個特別條例那現在又有一個花蓮馬太安西煙色湖的災後重建特別條例主管機關的依然都是工程會可是在這個當中我先說明就是因為 |
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提出花蓮馬太安西煙澀湖的災後重建條例就是國民黨版有出現在莫拉克災後重建條例中關於那個簽件的那個條例是一字不抄一模一樣的搬過來那當年受到很大的爭議還好在協商的過程中已經有把那個拿掉 |
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那其實最主要的就是說我們要尊重在地人的意願而不是強硬的用法條就決定部落要怎麼走因為原住民其實幾十年來從日據時代都經歷過兩到三次四次甚至有五次的遷村所以原住民對於這樣的一個遷村其實是非常恐懼的那但是我也得說 |
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因為我們這幾年就是在莫拉克在後重建條例廢止之後有一些部分其實陸陸續續我們也看到他們是處在危險的安全堪育地區像是我接受的陳情像高雄的萬山部落 |
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有一些住戶他是位在斷崖所以每一年的颱風整個村撤離的時候其實那些住在斷崖的那些住戶都非常的緊張甚至提出說難道政府不會幫我們著想嗎或者是像滿洲有一個分水嶺 |
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當年說要簽我們到現在還在為尋找土地感到煩惱因為我們也沒有條例法源可以來用所以找土地就變得非常的緩慢那像是文部落是在春日鄉的最高處 |
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那當年我也有幫他們去跟國防部協調一個天蠍棚基地那原本是希望把他們遷到那邊來但是因為莫拉克在後重建條例廢止所以呢很多很多的行政作為也很困難那甚至是山地門鄉的德文部落有一些目前都還是在危險勘預地區嚴平鄉的紅葉村也有一些還沒有完成所以我在這邊只是想請教想拜託一下我們的陳主委 |
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就是有沒有可能再來開設一個原住民族地區災後復原重建的專案平台會議因為從這一次我們北岸的這個萬榮鄉的名利村我們想都想不到 |
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那我們就可以想像得到有很多的災害在這種極端氣候之下我們不知道它什麼時候發生所以預防我覺得變得相當的重要所以我不曉得說主委您對這個有沒有可以支持的意見 |
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謝謝委員 目前關戶鄉的中濟宅是由內政部在負責那他也到關戶鄉辦了很多場說明會那聽取這個關戶鄉鄉民包括 |
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這個當地的部落還有這個相關的這個災民那麼有找到兩個地方一個是舊的台塘的宿舍那個宿舍是應該是三層樓但是底下它是有營業但是上面也本來是員工宿舍大概應該有差不多20戶左右 |
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另外也是在應該是大晉國小附近有一塊地大概1.5公頃那會蓋這個中繼宅讓目前房子已經完全沒辦法住的買起來的那些作為中繼宅那至於說將來那個耕地比較重災區那裡土砂有的已經到6米高4米高了那些變成一個很頭痛的問題 |
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所以是不是要有什麼地方可以提供給族人或當地災民作為異地耕種的地方這個是可以思考的方式我覺得這個部分中繼宅目前已經成為共識了也取得政府的一個共識 |
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那我想就是尊重在地人的意見那我只是說針對那一些在莫拉克災禍重建條例廢止之後依然處在危險安全抗議地區的我們是不是可以請工程會來主責要做一個災害復原重建的一個平台會議邀請這些原鄉的公所還有我們中央有關的機關一起來重啟這個會議來幫助他們 可以嗎 |
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現在秀出來這些包括高雄茂林高雄屏東台東都有這些我們還沒有處理好我們願意來跟高雄還有屏東縣市台東屏東縣市政府來商討看看 |
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那不好意思主席再給我一分鐘因為我還有第二個問題要請教這一次我其實只是要表達就是我們這一次有兩個條例特別條例那他到底他適合的適用的這些災區我不曉得有哪些啦那主委您是不是可以簡單的講一下 |
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那是風災的特別條例有把直轄市直轄市的園民鄉 園民就是茂林 南下 桃園那個有納入我是希望說如果他是屬於原住民族地區但是沒有被行政院列為災區我希望工程會也盡力協助好嗎 |
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那這一次 923這個花蓮馬太安煙色湖溢流事件其實當天9月23在地的萬榮鄉族人就有跟我說麻煩也請我們的水利署把我們萬榮鄉這邊北岸的護體加高所以我9月24號我就有發公文 |
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我特別有去提到說請貴署盡速強化萬榮鄉境內提防結構同時增設臨時防災設施如太空包防汛塊提升防洪減災能力保障萬榮鄉的部落安全但是很遺憾齁就是這個破口就是終究還是釀災了那其實復興區高雄的復興區本來我接受村長的陳情這個也是一個破口 |
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他一直拜託我說委員你可不可以拜託河川署趕快幫我們做一個護岸三個月內完成很高興終於保全了那個第三齡的十幾個住戶這個是在哪一個鄉高雄的桃園區復興里 |
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好 那我現在要講的是說我們其實跑地方 我們什麼都有接觸我一直強調 現在的河川 在莫拉克之後真的啦 坑溝已經變野溪 野溪已經變河川了啦所以林保署下來 水保署下來 水利署 |
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真的需要好好的來重新做一個治水專案會議編足經費因為我們是什麼案都接什麼部會都接觸我們真的可以感受到有一些他們真的沒有能力所以呢我覺得極端氣候影響下誰曉得當年玉穗溪氣象說25毫米的雨量竟然讓明霸克路橋斷掉 |
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極端氣候下我們真的不知道災害在什麼地點什麼時候會發生所以我覺得當我們去陳情案接來去請我們的部會幫忙的時候我特別希望這一方面的一個治理經費是充足的不曉得主委您的意見如何因為馬太安溪是這個河床已經很高了再加上這次把這個堰舍湖的 |
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這個疫流的災害他上游的土石已經很多都下來都已經比堤防高了所以呢目前所要的工作是輸菌因為只要一點雨量他就會易開了所以要加緊輸菌才是最重要的工作那謝謝主委因為時間的關係我們還有沒有討論完的再提供我書面報告或者是到辦公室來討論好謝謝主委謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝吳麗華委員 |