| IVOD_ID |
165421 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165421 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T12:05:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T12:11:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facef5cb540f46e7895bfa47f864c5dfb45a0834c22697b3aa2ab63d252e14d10cbe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:39 - 12:11:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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我們請財政部長來 請莊部長委員好財政部長請教一下我看到應該是財政部發出來的數據到10月為止我們現在的稅收是3,884億對吧 |
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這是全國的到十月底的總稅收中央大概是兩兆四千六百我沒有在分中央地方啦不要浪費我們的時間好不好妳是在拖時間喔沒有我問妳說我們現在稅收是三兆兩千六百四億嘛年減0.2%嘛對不對 |
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沒錯嘛這是你們發布的數據啦那財政部也講就是說如果全年要達標就是達到本來的預估非常困難嘛對吧有挑戰性很有挑戰性那我想問一下因為按照各項數據都顯示我們今年的經濟成長率是不錯啊現在經濟成長率多少主計總數的推發布的是4.45但今年可能會超過5% |
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超過5%對在經濟成長5%的情況之下我們的預期的稅收居然無法達標像我們現在現在在普發1萬 |
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卓院長雖然一開始很反對都說一下說這個是什麼哎呀 大家拿去買遙控飛機跟冰箱一下就沒了啊民進黨說這個是配合中共窮台策略毀線亂政 掏空國庫啊再留子孫 罵得很慘但現在發的時候 哇 很高興就說這個叫做什麼行政院發還是政府相挺我這個態度批辯讓大家也是很訝異啦但是我今天不是要跟你討論這個啊 |
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重點是後來態度批辯之後院長的講法是說這叫做我們將經濟果實跟大家分享 |
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換言之稅收有沒有超出預期跟經濟果實正相關經濟要成長稅收才會變多才有辦法跟大家一起共享但現在財政部講說經濟成長率你剛剛說主計總數的統計是5%可是我們的稅收會不如預期為什麼會這樣 |
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跟委員報告最主要是因為我們114年的稅收比113年的實徵數也就是我們的預算數比實徵數成長很多以中央來說就超過了947我們在講預期預期就是預算數嘛你在年初的時候你年初的時候預期的經濟成長率也不是5%啊 |
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對啊 你在年初的時候那時候我看很多預期經濟成長率的2%但現在實際上是5%所以我們的經濟成長有超出預期啊所以理論上來講 稅收也應該超過預期啊所以會比你的預算數增加 |
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時收會比預算數增加啊但現在現在是經濟成長超出預期但是那個稅收並沒有超出預期甚至於達標都困難啊所以為什麼會有這樣落差預算數的編列是在去年就開始籌編了是嗎是在去年的上半年開始籌編嘛那你預估那你那時候去年上半年預估今年經濟成長率多少 |
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我們不是預估今年成長率我們是看整個上市櫃公司的一個財報所以我們在上去年的上半年就開始預估然後到下半年送進立法院審議的通過以後這是你所謂的預期其實就是預算數就是預算數那我們 |
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114年的预算数比113年的实增数就增加了947亿947亿就增加了那你一定有一个预估一定是预估才会有预算对啊没有错那我现在讲的是说 |
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经济成长超出预期那为什么税收没有超出预期这么简单就问这么简单的问题而已我刚刚也讲院长讲说要经济成长有果实才能够全民共享团税于民嘛那现在为什么税收没有成长问的问题就这么简单嘛跟委员报告像中所税平所税他的税收今年的收入会到明年才会实现所以那个税收他是地延的 |
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也就是說今年他賺的錢要到明年的中所稅跟銀所稅繳納的時候去實現的所以是意思是說去年的經濟比較差是不是所以我們今年所以我們今年還稅於是因為去年超徵嘛那去年超徵是因為前年經濟比較好是這個意思嘛前年的經濟比較好所以去年超徵然後今年普發所以我們是因為所以你預計明年應該會超徵是嗎 |
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所謂的超徵是第一個我在編預算的時候我們要以各個稅務來分析他的收入的情況部長不要一直玩文字遊戲啦不是文字遊戲我必須要把它說清楚現在的問題就是全民看到了經濟成長但是稅收沒有成長就是可能有一些人他賺錢沒有想像中那麼多啦 |
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應該是這樣有一些人因為我看到你今年的十月的稅收最多也是證交稅沒有玩股票的這些人也許他繳的稅不多因為他經濟受到衝擊所以今天大家才會來這邊討論這個題目 |
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所以我覺得應該要因為來不及了其他部會我認為應該要稍微要注意一下不要被那個數字好像就被他迷幻了啦好 謝謝好 謝謝葉委員接下來我們請楊瓊英委員 |
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謝謝主席 |