| IVOD_ID |
165396 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165396 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T11:39:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T11:47:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face5cd21c9cd278af59fa47f864c5dfb45a0f406a00a8f97c06cdaf6cb2d6319c8e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:43 - 11:47:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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請莊部長請陳主席長委員好 |
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兩位好時間的關係不一問候2016年我第一次踏入立法院加入財政委員會在財政委員會質詢的時候針對有關於所得分配不均到底要怎麼衡量的事情跟當時的主計長石樹美石主計長有過意見的交換 |
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在那一次諮詢以後我以前在中研院的前輩朱金義院士寫了一篇文章補上一堂課所得分配不均的衡量朱金義院士大概是國內經濟學界在討論貧富不均學界的態度我想這個大家 |
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不會否認他討論有關於所得分配不均的問題大概超過了10年跟世界上面研究的頂尖團隊在進行跨國的比較他呼籲了超過10年結果我今天看到主計總書跟財政部的報告我必須要老實的講 |
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你們還在用早就被學界揚棄可以說是石器時代的石器時代的家戶調查所得五等份的方式來衡量貧富不均過了這麼多年一點漲進都沒有一點漲進都沒有我們來看一看當初民進黨 |
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是怎麼在批評馬政府貧富差距創歷史新高2011年民進黨發言人陳其邁召開記者會發表馬總統您破紀錄了貧富差距偏台灣所得最高的前5%跟最低的前5%有75倍的差距創歷史新高 |
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民進黨要請問馬總統你富了誰窮了誰這是當初啊民進黨對馬英九所提出來的批評來請教一下知不知道現在我們用民進黨當年相同的基準前5%跟後5%差距到幾倍了主席長知不知道 |
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66點多倍來來來來 財政部部長知不知道 |
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委員 我們的資料是屬於課稅資料是 我問你知不知道就好了我說用相同的基準嘛用民進黨當年一模一樣的基準一模一樣的財稅收支資料來衡量現在的貧富差距當年痛罵馬英九啊因為達到75倍現在達到幾倍了知不知道 |
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知道就說知道 不知道就說不知道現在是100多倍現在是100多多少倍來我秀數字給你看當年喔 |
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馬英九說沒有啦我們要用家戶所得啊用五等份啊來進行比較啊痛批民進黨啊說民進黨混淆視聽結果呢民進黨那時候怎麼回擊的 |
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五等份太粗糙了啦世界上沒有人在這樣比啊這已經是世界上面學界經濟學界在衡量貧富差距還用家戶所得的調查五等份這是世界的笑話當初民進黨是這樣回擊的來看一下結果你們搞到今天啊民進黨執政了以後 |
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完全沒有要改進啊還是繼續用五等份啊還是繼續用當年民進黨痛批的五等份來進行所謂貧富差距的比較所以看起來好像增加的不多感覺差一點點都是零點幾零點幾個百分數在動因為你的調查方法卻有問題嘛 |
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租金醫院是倡議這件事情 我說超過十年我敢說他是在台灣最有資格講貧富差距到底要怎麼衡量的專家他發表過的論文 他參與過的data的研究那時候他去歐盟以前 我還去 |
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台大聽他告別以前的演說他又再強調了一次不要再搞這種無等份家戶所得的啦來 我給你看當初民進黨痛批馬英九75倍現在我看到最新的data到2023年150倍150倍 |
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如果當年民進黨在痛批馬英九75倍是窮了誰 富了誰 向財團靠攏那我現在的問題就來了那現在民進黨的150倍算叫什麼叫做照顧基層的民眾嗎如果民進黨當年批判馬英九的75倍 |
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是窮了誰 富了誰 向財團靠攏我再問一個問題啊民進黨執政這幾年過來現在已經飆到150倍啊青出於藍 更勝於藍啊結果今天交這種官方報告還用民進黨過去痛批的標準在文過是非啊交這種報告出來 你們不會覺得丟臉喔你是在打臉當年的陳錫邁嗎 |
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還是在打臉當年的蔡英文這樣子的標準會不會太可笑還是當年陳其邁 蔡英文用這樣的方式來批評當初的執政黨根本就不公平 不正確 不對現在民進黨的態度是什麼 |
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主席長簡要回來就好我們一般是用吉尼係數這是所謂世界也是通用的一個係數所以朱建議是錯的所以當年民進黨是錯的濁是清非 勢是非非完全看民進黨佔什麼位置 |
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我如果站在野黨 基尼係數是大錯特錯我如果站執政黨 一定要用五等分位用基尼係數啊連朱金月式都是錯的民進黨好厲害好厲害標準變來變去今天這個報告我會邀請所有在網路上面 |
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關心這個議題的台灣人民跟年輕人看一看看你們看得下去看不下去主席站起來了啦要救你沒有關係啦時間到了齁我聽得懂啦但是我希望你們自己回去好好想一想雙標程這個樣子雙標程這個樣子丟人現眼好 謝謝黃委員齁其實我已經延長兩分鐘了齁來 接下來請羅廷維委員 |