| IVOD_ID |
165389 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165389 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T11:06:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T11:21:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facef47f8db80d8a45738ff38efa2589ba080f406a00a8f97c06a4fe3771cb6bf56e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:11 - 11:21:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長及行政院主計總處就「癌症新藥暫時性支付及罕見疾病藥物專款預算運用成效及政策檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
(討論事項)
審查
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十五、委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「癌症防治法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「癌症防治法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
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【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答；討論事項僅詢答】） |
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謝謝 謝謝主席那我們請柏定你先休息一下柏定先休息一下石耀署署長石耀署署長來你今天點閱率該關點閱率該關你有什麼意見 |
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因為說癌症 我先說癌症我先說癌症啦剛才大家就在跟你請教來我們看第一張的那個slide首長你先給人家告白你先人家說你對癌症沒信心你就不要吃你有說這個嗎不是啊我應該講的快一點我覺得應該要修正啦因為就是說 |
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現在這個蛋我們蠻精準的知道在那一家的蛋廠那時候我知道那一家蛋廠的部分我們先特別把它精準的能夠框住那真的是不是很確定的時候稍微聽可是呢這其實這個蛋量其實很大我告訴你這就是我們台灣一年要吃五次蛋你知不知道一天大概一人一顆平均我們台灣一年需要的蛋八十二億顆 |
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喔 怕死人喔八十二億顆 不要說是兩千四百三十萬人差不多大家都吃一顆乘以三百六十五 差不多八十五億顆這食蟲量很高 我也很高八十二億顆以上 你看我們的蛋積喔我們的蛋積差不多有三千萬隻 三千萬隻喔 |
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因為雞一隻雞一年三八六十五天一年可以產三百顆差不多一年三八六十五天可以生三八顆育成第一名到第二年差不多剩兩百多到差不多八五年就要淘汰了 |
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所以大埔的雞丁都這樣你看到沒有 這樣這種品質 這種品質在融釋的我問你 這雞兩匙 這是你管的嗎這不是我管的 這裡在農場裡面後市場在水洗淡了之後呢我們就開始管道跟市場端了所以綁出來的兩處就算你的了 這樣就綁出來要離開養雞場之後才算我的這就像我之前說的 |
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那台滴啊有沒有這間滴肉出事或是說滴肉浸那個什麼什麼什麼雙陽水雙陽水啦或是那個符合馬鈴有人泡符合馬鈴嗎沒有啦符合馬鈴要做檢體的不行啦所以吃泉那一類的啦或是說雙陽水雙陽水在屠宰場出屠宰場要勝利的對啊你英文就跟中央市長會搞不清楚啊這都中央市長會在那亂步的啊 |
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我們看到這個家庭,三千萬家的情人家,都這樣他剛開始的胖子,跟吃飼料,跟洗腦,剛才跟死,在台上都在家裡那些家庭都很寂寞、寂靜,我那時候看過很多家庭,我都去那裡看 |
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這種的芥菜土土的去發酵做堆肥也好這種地方的品質這種地方的雞的心情這心情不要生出來都會好吃啦不然你後面癌症啊 寒病啊都會有什麼那就是後面嘛來你看看 現在下一張這就是水蓮式的 |
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你看這個雞肚子很爽脆 生出來的肉也很讚這最重要的 這比較重要所以你們的輔導都做得好 雞肉比較貴 沒關係這個大家每天都要吃的現在以前一斤雞肉差不多高了幾十年 我們吃了算好了 |
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以前一斤雞蛋才有30塊而已 我家庭出來的你到市民才有50幾塊 以前在欠雞蛋的時候一斤不到100幾塊現在像這種的 這種的出來一斤差不多一顆才有11塊 |
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我比你瘦掉 比你更清楚你只叫人家不要吃 你有在吃嗎有啦 我在爆爆日月還有兩顆沒拿出來我每天吃兩顆水煮蛋 有吃有吃所以這個 來 |
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下一張 你看這個就水田市的我是 我們的期待啦我們的醫療水平那麼高我們健保的做得那麼好全世界第一名那我們這個應該要改善啦是低的啦 是低的啦普天有這個比較重要啦這比什麼更重要你這個衝得好 後面就沒了嘛人家不歸我們兩個管你不要說了 你不要要求了看不會我們有說 應該聽我們一定接著說 |
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來 這椰子喔 這椰子 這種吃的喔 這個是用泡的水給它吃它吃了 它還可以當冬甘苦這冬 整年喔 半年以上但是這椰子 畢業的那分埔年 多少 幾月了你知道嗎 一百倍 |
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分分是什麼 用噴的啦像葡萄園那樣 全都假裝整個 剛才你看到整個 全都亂噴一塊所以我們查出來假裝的毛 它也有它沒有長到那邊 |
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你這種東西 這麼貴 要不要把它賣掉大量使用就賣掉了 三千萬才賣兩個賣兩個賣耶你檢保局可以給我介紹 每個人都在抬起眉毛對不對 |
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都說你抬得很迷茫 你這要抬 抬得比較高讓他用那個磁 用泡在嘴上很簡單空間比較好 比較有人性 比較優雅這樣這瓶子就提高 而且不會有病要不然你那瓶子一整瓶 裡面都會有雞腎 什麼的 跳蚤它燒也燒 肚子痛肚子痛 刷下去 生的殘疾你也放下了 |
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所以台灣這種市街這要改變 不能再這樣了炒到實在是要解散就可以做堆肥 發酵現在有很多地方在做這個就可以改善這市街如果不適合這個 它是很好賺的但是如果像我們中邦的就沒辦法了你可以 |
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有啊 那塊Full Render 要給台階小 叫大家都贏普隆的布 誰贏誰贏啦我都不會謹慎啦你來 標示一下我時間要沒了喔 好啦 你 寶丁來寶丁 我要跟你們解釋這個問題解釋這個問題我給你啦 |
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來來來 保證這現金一定大贏的你到底是有在做嗎有有 在進行進行喔 因為我們總院長答應說年底嘛我會一直追喔好我每次都會追你好你看年輕醫師現在的住院醫師現在的那個那個那個PGY那個錢都太少了啦他們同樣年齡的住院醫師像我兒子還下輪的 |
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他說他們的同學有資工的 去也常常在讀班他在旁邊也在讀班 我在三天四天讀班他們在一個紅海裡頭也常常讀班他們要讀班的人年薪就250多條我們PGY一直待在那裡七、八班八班嘛 差不多十一班而已 十一班而已那十班也才八、二班而已 |
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所以你覺得很不值得嘛所以一批外料就糟糕了 |
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重症的沒人要走 你沒辦法給人家加薪水你說一年多 多少 多多 真的有多邱太元很好 石崇良也很好都去要了一大堆的經費但是都是在幫醫事人員 護理人員加薪而且我們衛護部盯得很緊 健保署也盯得很緊你這個錢不能給我亂用亂用的話要追回 還要處罰 這很好 |
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所以醫界也很有認同說你給我錢 我都來給你調薪但是醫生不調薪喔國健署的署長你都要先帶來你先帶來的薪水也不夠嘛 對不對所以醫生十五年沒加薪這樣你不重振 要捐多少錢你說值班費 加班費 要捐多少錢看財政部這樣擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱擱 |
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最新的結構是什麼頭部的結構是什麼委員報告啦我們從稅負公平正義的角度來看因為醫師確實他的工時比一般的人長加班的收入比照我們所得稅法的規定本來就是可以免稅啦所以我們跟財政部公他們也認同現在就是執行的細節的部分 |
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到底是多少個小時這個時薪要怎麼計算我們再處理這個加班費 值班 值班那是待命嘛不然待命被你扔掉會很累的你現在要去看看你現在這個年紀要去看看所以川普說的說加班費 值班費 到消費都免稅人家最近要發錢要發2500元 現在要發60000元 |
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我們這裡發生了一萬個病例像這個一定是改改舊的我們一塊換了六萬所以沒比率所以這個你沒辦法給他加薪你就給他減一點稅那個差很多你看那個產值還有一般診所的我就不好意思是K診所醫師都要用兩個半月到三個月的全薪去繳稅 |
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會很嚴重的事情所以這個是一定要用心馬上趕快解決 年底之前所以你大慈欣台這款大型的最後一個 36話 主席 |
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這今天怎麼說這個啦這對我來說這都不重要啦這修法就是要用一個框住有法律的效率讓難免能夠有點保障不然的話有一餐沒一餐的每一年都用公務預算在撥補那個錢有沒有來源下一張有沒有 沒有了 |
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來 這寒病啊你要請他用什麼公務預算啊用什麼煙煙煙啊什麼的這一些那現在最近你們國電署也通過那個加熱菸嘛加熱菸加熱菸可以用的嘛電子菸不行嘛電子菸絕對不行裡面都是化學成分 那是西人的所以加熱菸好像主席也偶爾嘛 |
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聽不聽得到所以你這個來源要看得清楚讓這裡有補充不然黃證續營這個癌症在這裡大家都要挨挨救我們這裡創造的方法可以安心做然後能夠達到我們在榮同的健康台灣把癌症的那個是發生率還是死亡率死亡率 標準化死亡率死亡率延長下降啦下降標準化死亡率 |
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癌症病人活得越久 大家有一個觀念各位媒體朋友 癌症病人活得越久 花越多錢他本來要嫌疑 結果不嫌疑 又繼續挖 又開了很多錢所以癌症的死亡率減少 癌症的存活率越高是表示要花更多更多的錢 |
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所以大家觀念要改過來以為說這樣可以省錢沒有 花更多的錢年齡的老化平均壽命的延長就是要付出無窮無盡的代價啦這個是大家要了解的阿我認為很辛苦今天跟阿伯講真的沒問題 |
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確實像委員提到的因為隨著醫藥科技的進步現在慢慢的癌症從過去的絕症變成慢性病他確實如果能夠好好的治療他的餘命是可以延長的但是新的藥物確實是不便宜所以我們 |
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這個很努力的在找財源那也希望讓這個健保能夠永續下去持續的照顧民眾不要讓人民會因病而病把這個健保的精神最後一個喊病的前線這是用公務預算還是用健保 |
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主要還是由健保費的來源就是說我們還是編在整個總額裡面只不過它我們總額分成專款跟一般服務一般服務就是在總額分配時南京大公園醫院個別總額它是一般服務專款是另外用多少給多少的所以它不會有浮動點子的問題 |
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所以現在健保連愛滋病的你也自己 你也付啦對以前在第八屆的時候為了愛滋病要讓它延後納入健保給付有公務預算那個時候我跟有限國會大家很努力把它延了三年 |
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才納入健保支付 你知道嗎我知道 其實愛滋病現在也是一個慢性病啦所以前兩年的費用是由公務預算支應之後才納入健保那現在連寒病的健保護 癌症的健保護健保的健保要怎麼可能不會到啦不會啦 健保不會到啦好 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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一碗煎骨沙茶 比阿姑最好吃的一碗茶你覺得阿姑幾公尺? |