| IVOD_ID |
165388 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165388 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T11:05:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T11:16:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facef3a36a6428b4cb74fa47f864c5dfb45a0f406a00a8f97c06e845366a77bfd4645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:26 - 11:16:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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好 我們請主席長 |
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委員好是 署長我們在主席總處的辛勤平台的網站可以查詢到從101年到112年我們每年度的全年總薪資的分布以全年薪資60萬為例101年有超過7成的壽星者但是到了112年同樣全年薪資60萬只剩下6成 |
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這個現象表示說我們整體的薪資結構被往上拉但中位數的族群被擠下去整體的薪資結構不再是平均往上而是差距越來越明顯為什麼同樣全年薪資60萬 |
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到了112年會從101年的七成降到六成主席長為什麼有這個現象可以請你說明一下嗎 |
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它有成長只是成長的成長的幅度沒有那麼高是這樣子對這個部分因為我們現在好像D1 D2和這個部分我們就是有所謂的低薪的調薪基本工資的一個保障所以它的成長幅度就會比較高還要包括我們政府也保障低薪的部分有一個做一些的政策所以這個部分3萬1以下的部分我們都調到3萬1這是最基本 |
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基本的低薪的调整中位数的部分一般是比较平稳比较平稳是这样子高薪的部分比较特殊因为它是有一些的比较AI的或者是通业的市长 我知道我想妳就回答到这里其实我们看到一个现象就是说 |
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這個高薪者其實他的平均數越來越高就是因為中位數就是我們剛才講的平均60萬薪資的這個族群就他竟然掉了一層所以這個現象當然都有上升但是他掉了一層我想你要觀察到這個現象我請你要注意要去注意 |
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我們再看這個主計總數薪資分布的資料我們整理出來你剛才講的D1到D9雖然我們這個所有的實質的成長率都有成長剛才主席講的但是我們看到實質的成長卻落差很大喔落差很大 |
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我們看D1是從23.2萬我的表是2023現在實質到2024是提升到31.6萬那D9從101萬提高到到2024是提高到127.9萬但是我們要去看這個通膨率這11年間通膨率成長了13.7% |
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所以我們以這個購買率來講的話等於說101年的100元到了112年底大概已經變成113元了因為通膨增長了13%所以主席講扣掉通膨之後我們整體薪資仍然是成長嗎你認為扣除空還是成長嗎是的成長1.78我記得是這樣子 |
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成长1.7%所以11年成长1.7%但是我们从这个这是年啊年增1.7%我想今天召委排这个专题政府要如何缩短我们整个所得的差距即改善相对贫穷化的对策 |
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其實剛才你講雖然有成長但是我們看到就是說實質上我們中位數的這個族群的薪資停滯不前雖然有成長但是它幅度很低中位數也有成長但是跟我們的通膨區再加以比較的話通膨也是成長 |
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就成長不多嘛但是看到就是說越有錢的人他越有錢啦他所得越高嘛那低薪族剛才你們用很多政策去加以這個去加以彌補嘛但是這個中位數的我們就一直覺得奇怪為什麼他的所得就有增加但是他的幅度很低啊你可以看你可以看出來嘛我們看那個表啊 |
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我們看到這個最低薪資的D1 D3的30%的族群換算實質薪資後 它是最低三個十分位的成長率D1是成長19.8% D2成長17.2% D3成長11.4%反而中位數收入的族群就D4到D7 |
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實質成長都很低 不到7%其中最低的第六只有3.8%所以我們低薪階層或者領最低基本工資的階層向來我們就剛才講最需要被照顧 |
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但是最低薪資他不但有提高到100從101年1月1日的18780元到2023年的1月1號是26400元到這個明年1月1號我們基本工資已經調高到29500元所以主委長我要請問你從這個現象是否反映出基本工資雖然經過幾次的調高 |
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後來確實也有讓我們的低薪族受惠但是整個中位數的階層被卡在原地薪水幾乎不太動沒什麼動所以這樣的結構是否會讓我們的社會結構這種結構讓我們薪資的結構陷入一個中位數它是一個天坑 |
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他的所得永遠就是停留在那個階段沒有辦法再往上拉即便你把這個基本工資往上調那你那個中位數的他的薪資就不動啊報告委員我們政府這方面來做的部分包括我們公務人員的部分我們是帶頭加薪連續好幾年都做調薪那第二個我們也鼓勵企業來做調薪所以然後也像金管會他也鼓勵就是說 |
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公司如果獲利要分配分配給那個這樣的話他會給他一些稅務方面的一個優待所以這個部分那包括產業他要賺錢所以我們都會輔導產業讓他賺錢然後讓他能夠把 |
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員工的薪資調整所以這個部分主要是要鼓勵企業對員工加薪所以這個部分我們也在經濟部做很大的一個努力所以這個部分包括公務人員帶頭加薪然後再來就是要鼓勵企業加薪然後也鼓勵所謂企業要分紅 |
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市長我想你要用這個現象你看到了嘛我剛才都點出來了嘛當然你認為說你剛才是提到如何這個企業要怎麼做政府要怎麼做讓這個我一直關心的這個中介中位數的這些族群啊讓他的成長性讓我們看到不是這個成長率那麼低啊 |
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剛剛我們在講的就是針對我們會覺得說平復的差距就會越拉越高雖然你一直照顧低薪的族群但是中位數的你也要去照顧他有…所以這個部分政府也有帶頭來做 謝謝否則主席長我看到一個社會現象就是說 |
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高薪階層遙遙領先中低薪資階層卻望塵莫及這個中位數的族群就是一直被這個壓縮減少所以這個現象就反映出我們雖然看起來是平等但實質是不均所以所得差距在數字上你看是平穩但實際上越拉越開 |
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就我剛才一開始點出來的平均60萬的族群竟然過了11年之後減少了一成所以這個現象我希望政府要看到這個現象對中位數的族群要如何的讓他請這些企業界要去幫他們加薪讓貧富所的差距不要再繼續擴大我覺得我們要去努力 |
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是 謝謝你請為時間暫停一下我們現在請央行我們請央行 嚴副總裁副總裁我想房價持續還是高漲房貸的壓力全面擴散所以我們目前的房市政策是不是仍然微微達效果 |
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讓我們年輕人的薪水全部就被這些貸款或者通膨吃光了尤其我們家戶負債比高達可支配所得的1.55倍在這樣艱困的環境下我們如何讓年輕人共享經濟的成長所以你打房的成效到底如何 |
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報告委員如果比較在去年我們看到去年下半年或去年七八月九月十月的時候整個房地產大家對於房地產的那種購買的熱潮或者是炒作熱潮現在是相對的平淡平穩很多 |
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其實我們也一直在注意說到底我們的政策它實際執行的效果上次剛才我也在回答委員的時候我們每一季我們都會去檢視我們的過去的政策的效果情形我們會做適當的調整所以打房的政策還是會滾動式的做一個檢討是 我們一直都是這樣子做未來還會不會提出其他的管制措施有沒有可能 |
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我剛才回答的意思是說這個房地產政策基本上還是由我們的貨幣政策理事會這邊在討論的所以我沒辦法在這邊抱歉其實總理我還是希望你們對房市的熱度你要持續去觀察它因為年輕人現在真的買不起這個房子房貸的壓力太大了我們剛才一直講薪資又沒有這個它的漲幅跟不上房價的漲幅 |
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所以造成整個我們年輕人可以說吃不消了所以希望央行在這個方面持續密切的做觀察是 謝謝委員指示以上 謝謝好 謝謝林思敏在位我們現在休息十分鐘 |