| IVOD_ID |
16538 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16538 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T08:30:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T13:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:50:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ed471259357e90fe0d3ce1f984cbe58117692a6bdb7e2f09fc030353d6bb295d45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:36 - 13:21:00 |
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請主任秘書報告委員會出席人數報告委員會出席委員與法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上一次的會議的議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第三會期財政委員會第三次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國114年3月20日星期四9時至13時40分地點群雄樓酒樓大禮堂初席委員林德福委員等14人列席委員張啟凱委員等15人列席官員財政部部長莊卓人暨所屬相關人員等經濟部農業部及法務部各單位代表主席賴昭吉委員 |
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報告四項一 宣讀上市會議事錄確定二 邀請財政部部長莊翠雲率所屬機關首長及國營事業董事長總經理和各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董謙士列席業務報告並被質詢報告幾 討論四項合併巡邏經財政部莊翠雲 |
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部長就業務及行政院提案報告後,即由委員林德福等22人提出質詢。軍軍財政部部長莊卓雲、兆豐金控公司董事長董瑞斌、合作金庫金控公司董事長林衍茂、台北金融大樓公司董事長賈永傑、地域金融控股公司董事長邱月琴、臺灣鷹酒公司董事長湯琪安及相關人員予以說明及答覆。決定。 |
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一報告說明及許答完畢二委員諮詢就為其答覆後請補充諮詢請向他擔任一周內已書面答覆委員要求期限者從期鎖定討論事項一審查行政院函體審議海關淨核稅者 |
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修正草案案 決議一 第二章 四章 第十一章 第十六章 第十九章 第二十二章 第三九章 第六十一至六十三章 第八十三章 八十五章 內容均照行政院提案通過二 審查文件 以具審查報告 提報院會討論 院會討論前不需交由黨團修正 院會討論時由賴昭季委員補充說明會總整理 提出中華民國一百一四民眾政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及費營業部分審查總報告草案 提報院會案 |
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決議一 中華民國一百四四年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算一頁及非一頁部分審查總報告照採案通過提報院會討論區黨團協商二 有關外交及國防社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會市期審訊並將審查報告送達本會後請議事人會總整理 敬禮提報院會並案討論通過臨時提案 四案三會宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員對於上一次的議事錄有無異議沒有我們就議事錄確定那麼請議事人員宣佈今日議程 |
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二 邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑芝 審計部陳審計長瑞敏 率所屬單位主管 列席業務報告並備質詢討論事項 審查本院委員王洪維 等26人 委員林德福 等20人 委員賴世保 等20人 分別擬據預算法增訂第81條之一條文草案等3案 宣讀完畢好 謝謝 |
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那我想我們是不是這個安排今日的整個議程我們邀請行政院主計總處主計長、省計長、陳省計長來進行業務報告 |
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那二就審查本院委員王洪威等26人還有本席林德福等20人以及賴思寶等20人分別擬據預算法增訂第81條之一條文草案 |
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先將請提案委員來說明提案要旨後再請主計總處陳署記長以及業務單位來報告來回應委員提案的內容接著再請陳審記長來進行業務報告以及財政部來回應委員的提案內容我們首先來請賴世保賴委員來針對他的提案來做說明要旨 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進本席這個提案有20人提案有建議目前我國 |
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負稅稅課的收入連續三年時針的速度高於當年的預算數已經變成常態了除了事實上我們也贊成要減債取債優先還債之外強化國家的財政韌性 |
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2203.112 |
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那麼應該明確的超徵稅收的這個運用讓民間共享這個政府所創造的一個經濟的一個佳績因此提原提案預算法增訂81條之一的草案那就是當政府稅客收入 |
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實證進而到達預算編列的百分之二十的時候應該要還權於民普發現金這是一個法源 幾個說明第一個 要發多少 |
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完全受损行政部门所以行政部门还是最重的权力他要花一万 花五千 花六千都是行政部门在决定第二点有人讲说这个根本就不是超增这是一个账的问题事先没有预估好各位我们上一次开过公听会有教授提出来我们去年度经济成长率百分之四 |
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可是我們的稅客收入增加8%所以這個就實際增加了怎麼沒有實際增加 實際增加了因為按照經濟成長率只有4%可是我們稅客收入就增加8%增加一倍所以這個錢 你說要優先分債 Fine 沒問題但是我們要看過去幾年 |
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連續三年都超徵 都是四五千億他都說優先還債 要還債 可是還多少 還5.4啊我們的法定是要還5% 他只有多0.4一點點啊 不然就這個時候少舉薪債少舉薪債一千多億而已啊 也沒有多少啊所以現在來講我們是有三千多億 |
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可以用的名目上是五千多億你說扣掉地方的扣掉這個法定的還有三千多億可以用你真的來使用還債還這個原來的原來的百分之五點多已經有別預算的所以還是有多出來的我覺得我覺得特別是這個稅客收入 |
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有一大宗占百分之四十左右是來自於中和所得稅中和所得稅就是你我交的稅所以還錢於民其實是非常有震盪性的更何況 |
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蔡英文總統在當任總統的時候她也編了六千塊行政部門編說我這裡只是給一個法源給一個法源還是由行政部門來主導不是立法部門主導這是一個很重的觀念請各位委員能夠再來支持謝謝各位好 謝謝賴世白賴昭偉 |
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現在請林德福委員來做提案說明謝謝 謝謝召委本院委員林德福等20人擬據預算法增訂第81條之1條文草案這個林德福 楊瓊英 顏寬恆等20人有建議2017至2023年間全國護稅收入實際金額有6次超過該年度的預算預估 |
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引發輿論的關注那政府稅收運用除了可透過特別條例將超徵稅收還稅於民外更有民意認為應該要優先減少特別預算債務舉借或照顧弱勢為降低民眾對政府預算運用的 |
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不信任感,避免政府假借全民經濟成果之名的行政買票大撒幣之時本席來凝聚預算法增訂第81條之一條文草案 |
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明定該年度法定戶稅收入實際實徵額大於預算數十俗稱就是稅收超徵除了第73條規定辦以外 |
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因優先來減少特別預算與中央政府總預算債務之舉借擴大照顧弱勢益助勞保基金公教退伏基金以全民健保是我有當 敬請公決 以上謝謝好 謝謝林鄭委員的發言下一位請這個提案委員王鴻鴻委員說明提案的要求請 |
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好謝謝主席我們各位委員以及我們今天來出席的各位官員我的提案主要是由包含王宏威賴世保黃劍豪等26位委員主要也是有鑒於從2021年起 |
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我们在税收超征的金额都占该年度预算的都增加从2021年起增加的很多比如说2021年就增加了4300多亿2022年增加了4900多亿2023年增加3600亿而到了去年这个税收超征的数字竟然高达5283亿 |
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那所以稅收超征當然有人說這是我們的政府部門稅收的部分它過於低估但是呢某一個程度這也代表就是代表我們的一個經濟成果 |
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所以全民的经济成果应该由全民共享这是非常非常合理的事情那而且呢以我本人还有赖世宝委员的提案我们的提到的税收超征应该还税于民他并不是说只要你有税收超征你就应该来做普发现金而是我们有一个所谓的警戒线有一个门槛 |
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所以在这边我要特别讲最近我听到比如说我们财政部长讲说这不能常态化不对没有读通或者是故意误导因为在我们的提案里面它是有一个门槛 |
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也就是说如果我的提案是3000亿如果你的税收超征不足3000亿的时候我们的财主部门有充分的权利他可以去做运用把转入税金剩余或者你要做什么样的运用 |
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但是以我的版本当你超过3000亿元以上的时候你当然应该去分享全民分享给这些我们的纳税人或者是我们的弱势团体所以所谓的常态化其实呢它是并不存在的而是法治化 |
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不要每次雖說超徵4000億5000億結果其他各部門就開始大家來搶錢搶來搶去最後反而全民沒有分到所以我們是保障我們所有除了你有例行性的不管你還債不管你照顧你要撥補勞保健保或者是你要去做一些補助但是當你超過3000億元的時候你就應該去 |
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2670.56 |
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2686.291 |
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還稅於民你就應該跟全民分享這是我們這一次修法最主要的目的是把它制度化財政要穩健當然要有制度化如果沒有制度化反而會造成整個財政的問亂以上 謝謝 |
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2690.057 |
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2707.293 |
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謝謝黃委員的提案說明向委員報告今天我們的議程派遞是兩大類一大類是請主計總署以及審計部做他的業務報告另外就審查項預算法 |
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2709.034 |
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2732.06 |
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81條相關的委員提案我們是有兩大類所以我們今天的發言時間我會控制的比較緊一點我們時間不會變但是我們希望大家不要拖太久的時間我們就請行政院主席總署陳主席長進行業務報告以及回應委員的提案內容請 |
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2742.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2763.232 |
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主席、各位委員、女士及先生今天應邀到貴委員會來報告本總署的業務概況自感榮幸本總署負責的政府預算、會計決算統計調查和主計資訊業務以下請就重要業務辦理的一個情形提出報告敬請各位委員來指教 |
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2764.392 |
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2783.544 |
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第一個預算的業務根據實施中程計劃預算制度還有籌編115年度中央政府總預算案和附屬單位預算及中計表然後為使計劃預算能夠緊密結合提升政府的一個資源使用效益所以我們根據落實中程 |
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2784.904 |
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2806.177 |
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計畫的一個預算作業制度各主管機關115年到118年度的中層稅出概算額度將以114年度的一個預算為基礎來做滾推各機關在核定的額度範圍內配合行政院的一個施政主著妥為規劃各年度的一個施政計畫和安排預算的資源 |
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2806.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2829.042 |
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本总署也将在兼顾政府财政健全和国家发展的前提下协助各部会按计划优先顺序合理配置运用整体的资源我们大概115年度中央总议刷案和附属单位集中计表预计在114年8月底送请大院来审议 |
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2830.404 |
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2855.318 |
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那再來第二個我們就是編制完成114年度總預算附屬單位預算及中繼表送請大院來審議我們會落實行政院的2050年淨零轉型均衡台灣健康台灣等施政重點我們總處籌編114年度中央總預算和附屬單位及中繼表然後納入永續發展和淨零轉型關鍵戰略 |
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2857.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2872.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
辦理各項重大建設確保油電水供應穩定及完善居住教育醫療與照顧的民生需求那所以我們1比14年度總收入含基金編了7兆2595總支出是6兆9848然後剩餘2747億元及繳扣是2270億元在去年 |
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2883.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2904.068 |
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8月30 隨同114年度中央總統政府的總預算案送大院我們期盼大院能儘速完成審議以立個基金業務的一個推動那會計決算的業務113年度總決算附屬單位決算中計表中央政府前瞻計畫 |
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2905.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2930.356 |
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前瞻建設計畫第四期特別決算那這個部分我們由各機關執行並依決算法依規定期滿辦理決算的編照本總署正依照決算法21條22條會編113年中央政府總決算附屬單位決算還有中計表中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫一個第四期的特別決算 |
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2931.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2959.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
一 繼在4月底提經行政院會議通過後函送監察院二 深化政府內部控制監督機制為強化機關自我監督機制提升內部控制有效性協助順利達成施政目標根據輔導行政院及所屬機關學校簽署內部控制聲明書然後督促各機關就簽署會有效類型聲明書的重要內部控制缺失徹底進行檢討改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2960.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2978.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
並持續辦理教育訓練宣導最新的觀念和實務做法協助機關強化內部控制監督各項的一個工作統計調查業務第一個辦理國民所得統計我們2月26公佈的國民所得統計最新資料是去年第四季成長為 |
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2980.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2995.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
2.0主要是因為人工智慧應用和智通產品的一個持續熱絡所以實際是輸出實際成長8.9基本形成及新興科技的一個強勁需求那個企業投資力道 |
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2996.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3013.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
續強實質成長19.2那受惠稅末節慶的一個激勵消費金融市場交易的熱絡以及境外旅遊一個熱潮持續抑制國外消費所以民間消費成長2.49並繼前三季2013年度經濟成長率是4.59%高於新加坡4.4%還有香港2.5%還有南韓2%也高於全球的2.8% |
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3025.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
3049.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
根據牛津經濟研究院的預測美國雖然推出加徵關稅措施但是因為啟動協商或暫緩或縮小範圍目前評估實際政策力道對各國經濟衝擊上述有限全國經濟平穩成長2.6較去年2.8略緩但不確定性提高國際貨幣基金預測今年世界貿易量成長3.2% |
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3052.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
3074.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
低於去年3.4% AI技術和相關運用的一個加速擴增 算力需求人因所以我國在地產業供應鏈完整而且升級優勢 所以出口動態持續推升出口的一個動能 內需方面半導體為失業AI商機所以持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
3075.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3094.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
積極擴充先進製程還有高階風車的一個產能那這些都均支撐我國內投資的一個成長另外就業市場穩健有利薪資的一個持續成長抑制家庭可支配所得加上跨境旅遊熱潮持續所以渴望維續消費成長動能重上預測本年積極成長約3.14 |
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3099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3105.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那辦理物價統計部分我們本處按月實際統計調查113年消費物價者主市CPI比112年漲2.18那食物類上漲3.69主要是蔬果、外食等漲幅比較高不過單列下跌那服務類上漲2.45那主要是因 |
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3123.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3143.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
全數較大的是房租持續緩漲醫療院所也調升掛號費所以加上停車費、汽車保養等等也是調升所以如果扣除蔬果和能源等短期影響的一個波動較大的項目核心CPI是上漲1.88 |
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3144.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3168.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那121至2月比去年同升漲2.12主要因為外食會續漲蔬果肉類水產品人高食物類上漲3.82房租醫療費用市漲所以延續上漲所致所以如果扣除以外CPI上漲1.6那生產者物價指數PPI的部分呢113年比112年漲1.37主要是電子零件 |
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3173.636 |
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零組件、電腦等4月份調漲還有加上台電4月和10月調漲電位但因燃氣基數較高下跌所以底下部分帳戶本年1-2月的PVI比去年上漲3.68 |
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那再來看一下就是人力需求各項一個抽樣調查掌握就業失業薪資等人力供需資訊本總署安約辦理人力資源還有收購員工調查那即時提供勞動市場所需要的一個資訊還有定期辦理補充性專案調查收集勞動力運用移轉就業失業的情況以及員工勞動報酬 |
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調新情形等資訊必須用相關的公務大數據還有國人戶海外工作統計以及薪資中位數等呈現不同年齡的教育程度那本年1月就業人數11161.9萬主席長盡量剪短了好不好好謝謝那 |
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比113年增3.2 失業人數39.6單週失業率3.3四週失業率是3.32公安服務預約全旅受訂員工薪資平均數47458那那個 |
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3254.29 |
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3265.422 |
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廠商較集中一月發連中獎金至薪資總平均數增加38.18所至那提出物價因素之後年增0.28經常薪資中位數是38142比實質中位數年增0.31 |
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那再來基本國事調查的部分我們已完成114年工業和服務業和縣市別報告並規劃辦理115工業和服務業普查的一個構想那114年農林普查方案我們已經奉行政院核定奉行相關機關來配合辦理 |
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3302.612 |
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那我們也運用相關的一個大數據來編制縣市常住人口統計等那主計資訊的部分呢我們主要是辦理中央和地方相關預算會計資訊系統的業務那這個部分呢我們在 |
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3308.255 |
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3327.869 |
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中央辦理稅計會計資訊系統還有特種基金稅計會計資訊系統地方稅計會計資訊系統的一些功能增修還有推廣委管管理還諮詢等那我們也協助114年度總預算案和附屬單位預算案還有一個總結112年總決算案相關的一個編制作業那辦理 |
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3338.953 |
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統計普查會計倉儲開放作業提升統計普查作業效率和資料品質配合國事調查所以我們辦理普查重要母體地址整編然後110工業普查和服務業普查的縣市報告還有等的一個系統的一個徵修作業那我們也建置主計資料倉儲系統落實資料盤點和分級 |
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3357.958 |
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3379.392 |
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那大院第十一屆第二會期第十次貴委員會所主辦辦理的事項我們這個總共有八項那其中提出推動電子化核銷規劃實成一項將於預算完成法定程序後解凍報告一線回覆外區 |
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3393.065 |
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達戶貴委員會及相關委員以上是本總署一個近期工作推展的情形我們今後將持續推進主計業務花園主計人員施政決策效能協助各項業務 |
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3395.902 |
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3412.243 |
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那接下來我繼續報導就是針對大院委員王宏威等26人還有賴世保等20人委員林德虎等20人混北擬聚預算法增訂81條之1條修正相關草案的一個相關說明 |
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3414.687 |
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3439.358 |
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那這個部分我們說明如下第一個所以說時增超過預算數是屬於估計誤差並會常態近5年來中央政府稅客收入雖有4年實際數大預算數但是109年因營所稅或戶稅縮減時增數位如意決而有低預算數的情形第二個所以說時增數超過預算數並不代表整年整體預算有生有財政有餘 |
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3441.179 |
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3451.669 |
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所以必須要先彌品差短並扣除法定還本才是可用的一個資源以112年度來講雖然稅收時增超過2934但是稅如稅出剩餘扣除債務還本1260他只剩下剩餘1536那再來 |
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這個而且因為特別預算還有差短所以必須舉債支應所以到113年12月底我們未償債務餘額還達5.9兆元那公共債務法規定政府稅務執行情增加債務還本那這個部分呢每一年稅客收入至少要依照體列百分之五到六來編列債務還本所以政府的稅務債務情形還有當年度的一個運算債務還本之外可以增加還本 |
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3493.721 |
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3507.403 |
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那第四個113年度剩餘呢 必須要等到114年企業審計部審定後 程序編入預算後才可以運用那113年度的一個 |
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預算稅客收入3兆7,619筆預算增加5,283但是這裡分到中央的部分是3,757那如果聯同稅入中央稅客收入增加3,757億部分聯同稅務案稅出扣除債務環本僅剩1,581而且必須等到114年7月 |
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審計部審定以後才可以透過預算程序才可以運用那稅出剩餘僅是一年度執行結果並不是年年都有所以稅出剩餘扣除網本之後我們如果從100年到112年其中單數年度稅入有一個 |
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剩餘區域六個都是沒有剩餘的所以這個部分並不是屬於常態性那第六是稅客收入超過預算數的額度納入預算常態化規定無法保持彈性因為環境在變國家政策重點也隨著在變所以有關減少債務舉借照顧弱勢還有抑制保險基金等用途已經有各部會納入公共債務法或重點施政來辦理所以我們 |
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3579.734 |
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3598.339 |
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行政院規劃年度的預算還必須要橫傾涉金的一個情勢變化還有國家當年施政的重點橫走各部會所提相關計畫案計畫優先順序討為納編那政府補完現金是有參的政策目的是用特定的一個事項和時間所以要必須有特別條例來規劃 |
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3613.855 |
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以過往為例 全民共享經濟成果不發現金所需要的是有行政委擬據 依後強化經濟與社會韌性全民共享經濟成果特別條例來送大院來審議 具以編列預算 |
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3636.892 |
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3.基於稅收時增數超過預算數的額護預算法明定限制用於普華現金或其他項目年度進行中如果發生重大災害或疫情相關額度將無法因應重上因應氣候變遷、地緣政治風險的不確定因是政府尚需維持適度的財政韌性以為因應 |
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原個委員所提增訂本版條人請審慎研議 以上報告敬請各位委員 女士 先生指教 祝大家健康快樂 萬事如意 謝謝謝謝陳主計長的報告我們下一位請 審計部的陳審計長 請好了 盡量剪短 好不好 盡量剪短 |
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你需要開麥克風你麥克風沒有開因為本部依法掌理政府及所屬機關的財務審計多年來承蒙大委員的支持與鼓勵各項審計工作均能按照計畫進行藉此競表由衷的感謝114年度依法審核中央政府中央最地方7968個機關單位 |
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收支金額二十七兆一元之執行之將審計業務辦理概況 檢要報告如下一 總結算及特別結算之審核一百一十二年度中央政府總結算計 副使單位結算及重計表及中央政府嚴重特殊傳染性肺炎防治及失控進行特別結算 本部以依憲法 |
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3735.874 |
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第105條的規定期限完成審查直轄市及縣市政府112年度的總決算亦經各地方審計處事在法定期限內完成審核提出重要審核意見2394項 |
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3761.517 |
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二 半年結算報告之審核 本部以依法第26條之一的規定期限完成查核並於113年9月27日提出半年結算查核報告與答案直向市政府半年結算 依經本部各地方審計處置在法定期限內完成審查提出重要審核意見63項 |
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3782.707 |
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二 審計綜合績效112年度各項審計業務執行計劃審核112年度結算經依法修正稅率收入結算即增累14億元減累11億元依法修正稅出租出結算增累28億元減累44億元 |
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3814.364 |
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績效性審計考核各機關的績效報告監察案者65案提出重要建設改建改建意見於各機關者280項認為有可能提升效能或增進公共利益提出建議意見923項提出議警性意見224項機甲財務上至為師報酬監察案處理者12案移送諸法機關者7案通知各機關查明處理者119案 |
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3830.508 |
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3.更新強化審計功能以落實創新核心價值4.更新推展公民參與審計強化諸行專家學者及公開諸行民眾意見近三年度已完成專家諸行計512處公開徵行民眾意見計91案2.透過 |
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主動提供民眾審計資訊 近三年發布1772則重要的審計資訊五 更細優化中央總結算的審核報告 除細深化中央施政議題的查核專章 精進總結算審核報告的審編及資訊公開三 專章會編行政機關優良案例推廣擴散情形六 |
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導致多元資訊科技推動數位發展 具體作為除息開發數位審計模組建構行政分析審計資源平台 建構中央風險導向的數位環境 其加強審計培力 後續專利發展 |
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1.促進審計專業培訓2.鼓勵世衛住址學習3.擴展國際審計視野4.114年度審計工作重點5.更新加強辦理重大施政計畫及有關民生議題之審計6.加強特別決算執行之審計 |
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3905.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3921.095 |
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3.更新加強特種基金公務執行成效之審計4.加強國營事業營運效能之考核5.加強重大公共建設執行情形之積查6.積極擴展市會審計查核議題創造最大審計價值7.加強地方政府財政管理之審計有關大宴第11屆第二會期只重要辦理 |
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3934.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3958.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
主辦重要事項之處理應市面答覆者五項以韓報大院財政委員及香港委員一事事項以列為審核參考審計工作的主要目的在於促使政府健全財務秩序協助國家良善治理本部當時加強推動各項審計業務以善盡審計職責以上報告僅請主席、各位委員、女士、先生、主教謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3977.898 |
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好 謝謝沈記長的報告有關財政部報告就請各位執行參閱因為我們時間已經有點拖了我們現在開始進行詢答每位委員 主席委員發言8分鐘必要的時候 |
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3978.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3996.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
延長兩分鐘 立席委員會五分鐘向各位委員報告在過去我都會讓各位委員多長七分鐘因為今天要登記的人相當多其他委員會很少開會所以我們都比較嚴格執行就是時間到了我會站起來 |
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3998.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
4016.765 |
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那麼首先我們就請今天上午10點截止發言的登記本次會議委員如果有相關的修正動議請盡送主席來以便議事人員整理現在以登記的順序請登記第一位的林德武委員質詢 請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4031.077 |
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謝謝 謝謝主席我們這個財政部莊部長陳主席長莊部長沒有來就是蘭次長來我來請那個主席長陳主席長請 |
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4048.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4068.082 |
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委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為財政部長說普發現金不宜常態化是政府一直以來的主張那我請問主席長以您的立場還稅移民普發現金常態化法制化是不是根本沒有討論的空間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4085.591 |
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我們原則上是不支持這樣的一個原則上不支持那我請教基於113年稅收時增數優於預算數但歸屬於中央政府的部分沒有比2022年高 |
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4087.834 |
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4104.85 |
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財政部認定普發現金不宜常態化那主席長111年度政府普發現金六千元的條件請問你認為是不是可以作為政府未來普發現金的門檻 |
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4107.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
4121.905 |
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怎麼樣委員報告一下當初普發現金它有它特殊的一個目的性而且呢它是因為預估成長率整個一個疫後的一個消費它會消費退回所以我們為了加速振興 |
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4147.773 |
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才特別你具有特別條例特別條例然後來送貴院來審議經過貴院審議之後呢那我們才去迴遍預算所以這個部分呢所以我們是希望能夠維持經濟成長的一個穩定因為當初那時候的一個經濟成長率才2.1所以我們必須要希望它能夠持續的成長所以才發放現金好我請問你還是你認為稅收時增速 |
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優於預算數政府除了還債以外根本沒有其他考量的空間是這樣嗎事實上我們目前有很多重大建設譬如說重大建設都有編預算嘛你不要拉到那裡去每一年他的先後次序排列的不一樣所以我們不能把他定在法條裡面那他將來執行沒有我請問你 |
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那個財政部說稅收優於預期要先減少取債優先還債那如果能累積到稅劑剩餘財源應用要考量國家的產源發展本席認為啊財政部的立場無可厚非但是退一步來看國家 |
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之於人民好比這個股份有限公司之股東那我請問主席長你認為中華民國是基優股的成長股還是雞蛋水餃股一民看當然是基優股基優股好以國內的財政狀況來看財報是看好還是難看 |
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好看還是難看看好看好看那為什麼沒有辦法考量像花放鼓勵一樣還稅於民普花炫金為什麼因為他不是每一年都一定每一年不是每一年都有反過來因為今天就是定的他是要達到一個門檻那反過來如果難看 |
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前幾年又為何能夠花三倍券六千元的現金呢那是有針對特別疫後的一個情況來做一個考量而且當初的一個經濟成長情況也不是很好所以那時候我們就為了加強 |
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或提升經濟的一個成長所有而花放一個現金所以這是有特殊的目的而且每一項的一個政策的施行它優先順序每一年排列的情緒都不一樣而且如果我們把它定了沒有彈性以後將來再執行就會有它是達到一個程度啊不是沒有彈性啊主席長從公司的經營角度來看經營者心中 |
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要很在乎股東的財富那股利則是由內部經營者對未來整個成長與風險的思維來作為判斷所以如果不景氣而賺不到成長的差價對股息的期望會較高那本席認為說整個國家經營也是如此 |
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數十年的整個國家發展到現在近二十多年來貧富差距極端化 |
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那戶人少而集中 中產階級扁平化窮盲族根本看不到能夠好轉的未來那近貧各種弱勢族群嗷嗷待哺那請問主席長 人民看到政府稅收超增難道不會有所期待嗎 你看呢 |
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再跟委員報告如果說我們今年稅收有超收的部分那這個部分呢我們原則上會導入到剩餘去那累積剩餘以後經過審計部審定以後導入累積剩餘那我們再來再編列預算就會將預算裡面有相關對於民生重要的一個項目列為優先那這個部分並不一定要發放現金才叫做有利於民生 以上 |
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好比公司賺錢不發鼓勵給股東一樣如果股東經濟條件變好其實公司不發鼓勵本席認為對鼓勵的期待心理也不會太高反過來經濟條件變差人民這幾年持續面對高房價 |
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通盆高物價甚至連便當小吃都快翻倍的漲價那我請問主席長民眾對於還稅移民普花現金的期待難道不也是對政府經營有成投下贊成票的回饋嗎 |
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你的看法呢這個就像一個公司的經營一樣啊跟委員報告回饋人民的一個方式有很多種我可以利用各種政策而且等於是說我有國防的需要我有 |
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4442.752 |
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那個健保的一個需要或零到六歲各項的一個教育支出的一個需要這些的部分那個都有變預算嘛不是說沒有變預算沒有匡列啊政府不應該把普發現金看成好像異端才對 |
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對不對就像一個公司的經營一樣對不對你公司經營有成當然股東就是希望你發股利配股息吧對不對這個整個國家的運作跟一個公司的經營幾乎就是翻版那個主席長不要有那種思維主席長 |
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因為去年8月中旬公布112年家庭收支的調查結果顯示112年普發現金新台幣6000元的政策挹注下每戶可支配所得差距的倍數縮減為6.12倍你有沒有去了解尤其是對低所得 |
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主的影響很大 低所得主喔 主計長本席借用前主計長朱澤民說過的話人民貧窮感確實政府責任較大既然普發現金可以拉近所得差距的倍數更對低所得主有大影響 那我請問主計長基於民眾的觀感是不是可以再考量一下普發現金的可行性 |
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這個部分我免則上還必須要往上去牽扯往上牽 因為你就跟上級講這個就像一個公司的經營一樣不要那麼執著而且我剛剛有特別提到就是有很多低所得主他們的期待 主席長 |
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4575.955 |
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上個禮拜央行召開第一季的禮監事會議雖然主計總處曾說目前整個物價情勢相對平穩央行總裁也說根據以前電價調漲的弧度對CPI的影響對CPI有影響但影響不大那主計長去年底行政院召開 |
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4600.277 |
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物價穩定小組會議啊敲定關鍵原物料降稅再延一季到3月底那我請問主席長你認為25日討論降稅措施退場的機率大不大大不大因為這個部分會我是沒去參加但是我是覺得是說要降稅應該是不會啦應該不會 |
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要降稅 換句話說就是可能會截止就對了是不是不是 它一般它有降稅的部分會維持但是維持之後它還是要一直檢討檢討現況的一個情形然後再去決定哪些項目因為現在目前是還在討論當中還沒有做決定啦 |
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因為有媒體報導基於國際情勢仍不穩定減稅措施會考量再延一季延到六月底那請問主計長國際情勢是不是考量降稅與火與物價穩定是唯一的因素嗎 |
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因為國際情勢目前一向都還不是很穩定而且還沒有很明朗化所以目前這個部分還是要看整個一個狀況而且它一直隨時都在變所以這個部分我們也會去檢討按照去年底 |
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這個穩定物價小組的決議這個研議政策退場必須整個國際農工原料價格趨緩那整個國內物價持續的趨穩而且未來展望這個維持穩定請問主席長你認為今年有沒有退場的可能性降稅的措施退場會不會 |
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這個重新推升物價會不會其實因為我們如果有電價有調漲那目前房租還有一些外食是有比較偏高但是其他都很穩定包括有一些國際油料的部分都是在低價裡面來盤選好 謝謝林委員的質詢 下一位請吳秉樂委員質詢 |
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主席麻煩請陳主計長跟阮次長主計長 阮次長請兩位好委員好我在這個地方有十幾年的經驗所以我對於這個普發現金或是類似現金的這個消費券 |
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大概有遇到過幾次第一次是馬政府時代第二次是蔡政府時代蔡政府時代是三倍券五倍券再加上六千塊現金這一些都有一個共同的特徵它都是行政院認為應該要這樣做所以他提了一個特別條例到立法院來審議 |
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立法院通過之後再根據這個特別條例來編預算然後再來實施也就是說立法院依照憲法是審查預算不能做預算的提案如果你把預算的提案放在法律的硬性規定那行政權存在的 |
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兩大支柱一個預算一個人事就被你立法機關拿走了所以在這個地方我覺得既然是我們像我在立法院這一屆進來宣誓的時候我們事實上面是要克尊憲法但是現在好像把憲法都當作不那麼一回事反正要達到政治目的比較重要所以我覺得正常的程序應該是這樣才對吧 |
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那如果現在要不要 我要給你定在法律裡面立法院高薪要給你怎麼用 就要給你怎麼用沒有經過詳細的評估在馬政府的時代 那個時候經濟遇到重挫經濟成長率非常低 甚至只有零點幾 |
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這政府實在是遇到疫情疫情之後又國際地緣衝突所以使得國際之間的物價非常的不穩定那經濟的成長當時預估可能會有困難所以才會有這一些舉動今年如果照去年的這個預算的實收數高於預算數中央政府的部分中央部分大概是3700多億吧那3700多億 |
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可是去年的預算裡面光是要舉借的金額是多少1571億那一部分後來是不是就沒有舉借力有錢的就不用舉借了啊對 不僅沒有舉借而且多還了1500多億這兩個加起來就3000多億那你3700億填補這個窟窿 |
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沒有借在線上多還的就剩下幾百億而已啊所以如果你因為預算上面的時收數高於預算數三千億你就要來編你就規定說要來發現金的話那這不是變成政府必須要舉借來發現金嗎的確會有這個問題以前我們的賴昭偉我最佩服的是他非常堅持財政紀律啦 |
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哪有人除非情況非不得已不然的話一個政府怎麼會去借錢要來發現金給國民而且這個發現金給國民 |
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這個預算的理想是要調劑營需就要縮短這個財富這個差距的倍數所以如果要照顧民眾的話要照顧中低收入最優先照顧弱勢最優先照顧需要照顧人最優先你一普發會有一個狀況 |
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非常有錢的人張忠謀是我們的國民啊 他這麼有錢他需要你這一萬塊嗎那立法委員的薪水一個月都二十幾萬當然我們支出也很多 但是有需要這一萬塊嗎就變成說本來預算的另外一個目的希望能夠調劑營需對中央地方還有對國民之間的財富差距的縮小 |
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變成這個普發也沒有辦法達到這個功效是不是有這樣的狀況市長你回答一下所以我一直認為說這裡面大有問題為什麼要這樣做這是我私人個人的猜測因為 |
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政府要撥補台電的一千億砍掉啦預算碼要刪掉不給他過啊所以四月電價眼看就要漲價啦國人都知道漲價是因為政府全準備要撥補台電你不給他撥補嘛 |
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所以電價會漲怕人家罵現在趕快推出說我要發現金所以就有人說過嘛你何必這樣子呢你那一千億政府準備的錢你給台電台電不用漲這個民生電價那你就不用擔心還不用後面要來發錢來補是一萬塊錢比較重要呢還是電價漲的時候因為電價漲價所引動的生產成本各式各樣的成本漲價或低調 |
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所以說為了要達到政治的目的做政治的攻防去做錯誤的事情繞了一圈然後再拿錯誤的事情要來填補這是我私人的看法而且這樣做違憲因為立法院沒有預算的提案權我們是預算的審議權 |
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你的預算提來立法院 我們審議覺得有不適當的地方 適當的刪減而不是像這樣子啦 六千億 刪減或凍結要六千億國家的總預算才三億 三兆一千萬 三兆一千億弄了六千億 更何況連監察院96%的行政費 |
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事務費都把我拿掉我那天公祭遇到李鴻鈞以前我們在地方 我們是朋友嘛他現在當副院長他跟我抱怨說你們立法院亂搞讓我們台電 電費已經兩個月付不出來我跟他說 兄弟 聰明情緒不喜歡亂搞是要刪除的人給你機關預算然後把你的事務費全部都拿掉你什麼事情都不能做嘛 |
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連電梯都不能開啊紙也不能用現在立法委員要到如果要去做財產申報以前是電腦打開大家直接對就可以了資料取得很方便現在要到立法院去他沒有要用書面來所以假設每一個立法委員在銀行的戶頭都要去銀行請資料用紙本大家來對本來三分鐘可以處理的事情現在三天處理不完啊 |
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這次就是現狀啊 因為亂刪減預算的結果所以現在面臨一個大罷免的風潮結果真正富裕的時候 如果好好大家坐下來商量這件事情那就是一個補考的機會 把它弄回來正常 可以討論 |
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一樣啊 財化法也一樣啊你們就還沒有跟 把那個公事弄好地方也沒有弄好 你現在公事只有搶錢那也不來講說事務增加多少將惡搞的結果要一團亂所以難怪會有人推測說是故意要讓中華民國癱瘓真的這種話我在民間都聽到了那這個 |
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大家對立法院有意見民眾對立法委員有意見不是因為選出來之後馬上翻臉啦是你自己做的事情是不是好好的想一下有哪一些事情做得真的讓人家不滿意那大家坐下來把這個結怎麼好好的解開解開自然就沒罷免了嘛那時候我們自己現在在聊啊如果總預算的刪減是民眾不滿的原因 |
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那 複製的時候好好來談再花點時間把這個總預算處理好適當的刪減 大家給你鼓掌惡意的亂刪 全部這樣子亂砍求他不要啊連讓院長來立法院報告都不要啊就用一天 然後就把他表決通過了啊才化法也一樣啊你這個越綁越緊 就是硬要火車對撞嘛 |
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所以我在這個地方誠懇的呼籲過去這個東西是有制度的我們是有財政紀律的你的預算的處理應該像過去的方法先由行政院考量整個社會的狀況認為有必要的話提一個特別條例來到立法院經立法院對特別條例審查的結果 |
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再根據這個結果來編列預算到本院來審議通過之後再來處理這樣才是正辦 對不對 |
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我跟委員報告,我們目前的做法就是說我們如果稅收如果實證數超過預算數的話我們是先還債,那麼減少舉債如果多的,那麼就是移到稅金剩餘那稅金剩餘的運用就要看我們的施政優先順序比如說像民生或者是照顧弱勢或者是國防等等這些由行政部門做通盤的考量 |
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是啦 這個才是正辦啦齁加油要堅持啦對的事情要堅持不要被帶到錯的方向去啦謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝吳秉瑞委員來 我們接下來賴世保 賴昭偉大罵沒人回頭 |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進我們柯總在來這裡我就先請我們的主組長好不好 陳組長好 主組長 陳組長來 |
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老柯好不容易啊 今天大駕光臨啊說買票啊那你在罵蔡英文喔蔡英文上一次就發六千塊喔 你在罵蔡英文喔現在越來越大喔 罵蔡英文喔還有剛才無品類委員不斷的強調一直在講我 所以我一定要回一下啦這裡面這裡面不要忘了他裡面都講錯啊今天 |
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今天卓榮特院長提總預算的預算案是有詢答的不是直接表決 真言說瞎話不要這樣子講喔 不要只是惡鬥而已喔 |
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我以前都跟你說的 我的老柯 老柯想當院長一直來這裡打評論我講話你聽不聽 你聽不聽 老柯聽不聽ZIP ZIP 你知道ZIP嗎那個拉鍊拉起來叫ZIP ZIP 老柯ZIP好 來 我請教主計總署的主計長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
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3月21號 電價審議委員會 破天荒啦 家庭用戶跟小店家11%產業5% 平均是6% 央行總裁說本來是8%啦我請問你 請問你啦 組織總組有派人去嗎 |
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這個電駕審議委員會有沒有派人去?有沒有?時間快了,我出局了你不知道喔?確定喔?確定喔?這時間暫停一下啦,都在錄 |
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有沒有派人 他們有派人啊 竹地種族怎麼會沒有派人去啊為什麼長小戶放大戶呢這個東西啊 大家都知道這個結果一查出來就是司馬遺啊 講的啦 這個司馬昭之心啊 路人皆知啊 |
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為什麼 為了大罷免天才火啊 你看 普羅大眾 把你氣成這樣 帳要算在野黨的啦就是這樣而已 就這樣子而已 你也不要講話不要講話 因為這個審議委員會不是你決定的 你也沒有去啊 你給我去 |
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你有沒有去?你有沒有去?我沒去,但是我要跟委員說這是會前會而來沒有去不要講話,沒有去不要講話你有去就跟你講,沒有去就不要講這個很清楚,就是行政院,他在揚我啦 |
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他就說 喔 因為我們不給他補貼一千億喔所以呢 看 我就張你們架 讓你們去找南北的立委人算帳結果 主席長 我們過去補貼台電三千億啊你仔細聽啊 你不要看那個 仔細聽我講補了三千億 四年漲五次啊 |
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我公開質詢郭志輝我說我給你一千億是不是你就不漲價他不承諾啊 照漲啊給了三千億給了三千億四年漲五次最近漲的是去年十月到現在不到一年 又要漲又要漲 更加凸顯我們今天案子的重要性 |
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既然你都一直要欺負老百姓那個補一千億也是老百姓的錢那不是天上掉下來也不是大風刮來的是我們的納稅的錢補台電錯誤的人員政策核電一度1.4塊錢不用要用4塊錢、5塊錢、6塊錢的光電、風電沒有認真cost down |
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四年漲五次這幾年我們給了三千億每年漲啊這是一個漲價內閣啊所以我們主席講貪污內閣主席講得很接近了啦這個更加凸顯普發現金的重要 |
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老百姓、美人、老公、企業企業這樣變動以前買一個,下次買半個所以普發現金給大家交電費就是這樣而已 |
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我跟委員報告我們主要是在彌補他對民生電價他以前年度他沒有漲價的這一個部分那這一個部分估計起來也將近漲價不是你漲的啊你一直維持民生電價的部分沒有漲那這一個部分漲到11%要漲11%漲11%怎麼沒有呢 |
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他總共有2800億左右的一個部分他都沒有彌平所以後來我們編追加再追加為什麼他不用核電一度童子田都說我們一年要3000億度電如果通通改成核電就省3000億當然不可能通通要核電差不多學者都說20%20%就是600億度電一度省一塊錢不只一塊錢喔 |
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一度省3塊錢就1000多億就出來了我根本不需要補貼啊改成核電就有了啊你現在1.4那你風電、光電4塊錢以上我一度差3塊錢啊我就1000多億就有了啊 |
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對不對 現在修法在外面給你弄好了美國壓力也來了 美國爸爸也說叫我們用核電為什麼不順勢去走下去就都改觀不要補一千億 也不要漲價我們立法院還做了決議說不可以漲價的 你們照常啊 |
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是名利如物嗎?這樣啊這是你都沒回答啦但是我是跟你說清楚我是跟你說清楚你要聽進去 你告訴我 左院長這個 代表普發現金來繳電費太重要了真的老百姓不要擁有啦我們再看啊 主席人數主席長 來我們現在總預算 開始又沒有新的 新公佈的總預算 |
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是有公告了是不是開始可以使用了對 已經開始用了那軍公教條新是不是開始調了軍公教條新是可以調了可以調了喔 確定喔這是你自己講的喔今年的預算比去年多了1368億 |
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結果我們的院長 大院長還說總預算之外還是多了一千多億內政部多四百億 國防部多四百億國防部前幾天 顧立雄接受馬文君的質詢他說海昆豪一毛錢都沒有刪對不對 還有呢 教育部多了三百億外務部多了三百零六億 這都你的數字啊 |
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這都你的啊 怎麼會說沒有錢呢怎麼會衛生紙沒有呢怎麼說廁所裡面的衛生紙給你炸呢怎麼會這樣子呢你自己講的 你看陳組長 |
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你看 你就被我們的總委長打臉來 你講是 因為我們增加的都是公共建設包括勞健保但是減的他都減在特定的項目譬如說減業務譬如說你的局官減到為0我們現在就來講一個東西什麼補救 你總是要有個補救對不對可以不可以追加給女生可以不可以追加給女生 |
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可以追加減預算 但是時間來不及因為追加減預算的話 如果通過的時候我們現在縱使3月要公佈以後才可以開始籌編公佈了 已經公佈了公佈開始籌編 但是要有作業的時間那送到貴會來審查 通過的時候就將近6月將近6月 沒關係 我看一位 |
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我們研會有要幫你審嗎沒有問題啊但是這段時間沒有錢支出啊這段時間以我所謂都沒有錢捏有的撿到領的他完全隨便會付不出來除了監察院以外啦其他沒有啦還有還有黨產會啊這些都有撿到領的那你就撿到領就用第二倍金可以不 |
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第二億北京還要報立法院 要去檢查也可以所以我問你喔 因為我時間快到了齁我今天在不太有時間第一個 可以用追加檢預算可以用第二億北京來解決你講的問題 對吧 |
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但是跟委員報告最佳解預算有最佳解預算的條件第二預備金可以嗎第二預備金只能針對部分的執行有困難的部分執行有困難一直沒講到這個部分也必須要報到院裡面來讓院裡面報我請問那個中選會那個他現在都行政院的第二預備金那個可以嗎對不對 |
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川普的戰爭是比貪汙一百倍可怕我剛剛是這樣子你現在要不要進去 讓我說一下齁那個主席長啊 是我現在就跟你啊 好好的跟你講 是我就問你 第二倍均 PLUS追加減預算是不是可以解你的問題 是不是呃 呃 可不可以可不可以 你回答我 可不可以 |
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因為我們第二預備金以目前來講的話如果被刪減的那個部分要辦追加那個部分沒有辦法為什麼沒辦法一切歸零啊就可以開始追加減了怎麼不可以呢 |
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不是 歸零的追加減他會來不及可以啦請那個沈記長來一下沈記長來來來沈記長陳沈記長把事情釐清來 謝謝在國會殿堂要講真話喔沈記長你們這位副主記長可以不可以用 |
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第二倍金來處理第二倍金 凍住第二倍金有四個條件好啦 現在時間到不要講條件了齁我現在告訴你齁 處紀長我是很失望你今天給我這樣答案啦因為你來找我的時候你就講兩個追加錢預算PLUS PLUS齁特別就是第二倍金我都跟你說 |
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我絕對歡迎,我都非常正面的回應,結果今天來這裡怎麼都縮起來了,縮起來了,我覺得我對你的時候,不知道我以前對你有沒有尊敬喔,來,我們讓神經長講一句話喔,你對於現在人家講的,人家講的那個陽光啊,兩千, |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
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你的領據有問題,你怎麼處理?陽廣兩千筆的,這怎麼處理?因為陽廣是財團法人,財團法人法這個屬於文化部督導文化部要負責監督你要不要查?文化部已經移送檢調了你可不可以查?任何動用國家資源我都可以查所以,請問你什麼時候要去查? |
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因為這個已經文化部委託會計書查過了但是你還是可以查啊我們會做一些了解我要求你去查可以嗎我們會 你有要求的話我們會進行了解什麼時候開始一個月你可以嗎因為我們整個一個月可以嗎一個月可以嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
主席有請主席長主席上請 |
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委員好主席好 延續剛剛賴委員的議題我想我在總質詢裡有問過到底追加預算可不可惜統一項目刪除掉顯然沒有道理在追加預算門剛好想要表示這個意見嘛 對不對因為總預算被刪減掉的部分追加預算有條件嘛有部分是不符合啦對 如果說在追加的話那不是代表那個立法院刪錯了嗎 |
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另外一個部分站在一個可以解決問題的一個出發點來說應該現在先去處理的那些凍結的部分委員會可以凍結有多少那需要院會來解凍有多少主委長這個部分可能要先行去準備啦如果說在野黨有體會到現在的預算已經變成自愛難行的話想要透過追加預算或第二預備金來處理的話 |
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這也不是壞事對國家不是壞事他們願意承認錯誤過度刪減但是呢就現實上可處理的應該先進行解凍嘛主委長我們是要解凍就是因為我們1380億嘛但是他解凍有的有條件那條件就是說你譬如說他解凍 |
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那凍結70%他要用完30%再可以來對那個其實很困難啦老實講連解凍的方式都很自愛難行那現在來說的話那現在要發現金不又是另一種矛盾的現象嗎對不對所以我是覺得現階段都是站在一個過度刪減預算之後想要解套的一個心理狀況提出今天的這一個法案出來啦基本上這不是所謂的還稅移民啦 |
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這是在花現金救罷免啦不可諱言的這幾位提案人當事人基本上都是被罷免的對象我覺得這個問題點在於說我們公聽會的時候在審查的時候居然沒有一個學者願意背書更何況連民眾黨的部分 |
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民眾黨的部分所找來的學者也反對更何況你去看喔 主席長你不覺得憂心嗎如果之前的刪減是錯誤的 凍結是錯誤的你看刪減的部分有高達多少我自己哈布蘭光計算是3683我不曉得對不對 這是第一第二個呢 這個財化法的部分是3753這把中央拿掉了錢第三個呢 你又要把這個現金發放常態化 |
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這不整個中央財政都掏空了嗎變成是三搶分啦組長 你擔不擔心啊 |
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事實上如果說財化修正要減少3753這個部分我們可能在115年周邊的時候就會有發生困難因為我們有一些原來的業務應該要移撥給地方的部分沒有移撥而且移撥還要依照法律要修正法律才可以移撥所以這個後遺症不是今年而已還有明年甚至大後年延續下去 |
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就是如同你剛剛你之前回答本席的是說在院會當中所有的新興預算都不能處理嘛對不對新興預算不能處理是預算還沒有通過啦那是總預算那現在總預算已經公佈了總預算可以公佈那開始進行了對現在目前就是前瞻前瞻還沒有通過前瞻還沒有通過那如果是這樣子的話 |
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那有一些重大的這個超過一百億的部分的新興預算可以處理就如同本席所整理的這些那哪一些跟賴清德總統裡頭政見比較優先相關的新興計畫是不是應該優先處理那個主席長你有沒有去整理過 |
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這個部分目前其實我們是可以有三棟的一個部分大部分就是說譬如說像那個節能電器補助這個比較攸關民生的那我們還正新要50億元的這個部分還有那個健康台灣60億這個部分會先執行護理人力整變的這個部分要是有這幾個這都會先執行 |
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這個應該如果說預算有通過就可以執行好 那就說有一些先進預算可以開始進行嘛那一些地方建設的部分以台南的先進運輸來說的話有沒有可能爭取得到第一期的南線的部分周遭預算的部分有沒有其他的這個方式可不可以進行 |
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這個部分是進行但是115年以後可能會影響到但是至少先進行嘛好不好可以弄的話今年先弄嘛不然的話台南這麼缺對不對捷運到現在六都當中就只有台南沒有捷運可不可以新型處理一下 |
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是可以 已經可以進行但是問題就是1155年可能會受到你不用再重複你先有的先有先求有啦再求多啦好不好請主席長費心一下啦那另外一部分呢其實今天會產生這個問題還是會回到一個問題啦也就是說這有關於這個預算這個 |
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編列的部分的失準我統計這五年當中失準的幅度一個是0.84一個是2.8相差蠻大主要是跟GDP的落差蠻多的這個落差的這種情況底下主要還是要放在這個稅計剩餘的部分嘛對不對除了法定的還債的部分是不是 |
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一般如果今年有那個他收入超過預算數那這個部分他本來要舉債的部分他就優先會減少就不去舉債第二個再來就是所謂的債務還本他就會還本數或者會增加還本那再來就是會變成如果有特別預算的可以抵調 |
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因為我們一般特別醫生都是取債就你現在講的數字啦我來跟你核對一下今年像中央超徵的這個3757億嘛對不對債務還本208億嘛是不是減少取債的部分是157億嘛對不對對157億嘛所以總共實際上剩下的是1978億嘛對不對 |
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大概剩下一千不到兩千啦剩下一千六百多你更少 你的估計更少一千六百多所以說也不夠一人一萬啊對不對而且呢 去年喔超徵所謂全國五千多億的情況底下也不過是16%而已所以也不到今天的法案的內容20%嘛所以說實際上你還完之後也不到三千億嘛不如你是用定額跟定率其實都蠻困難的嘛是不是 |
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所以一般大概一千六百多億他要經過審計部審定以後七月以後才會加入到累積剩餘還要編列預算才可以對還要用編列預算到稅積剩餘嘛那稅積剩餘來說之前我們稅積剩餘高達七千零百四十四億嘛一一二年底的時候到去年的時候剩下一百五十八億嘛那我想請教你稅積剩餘到底多少才合理啊 |
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這個也不是說多少才合理稅計剩餘主要就是看當年度一個稅入稅出執行的情形如果剩餘再做累積啦我們並不會預估說一個哪一個多少還是看累積就是保留一個彈性啦比較好作用嘛你至少可以預估一下那如何避免未來啊 |
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一個錯估的現象的出現齁我看你們報告當中所寫的其實主要是銀索稅、重索稅還有包括證交稅這三個大幅成長的結果嘛以至於錯估嘛這個部分是不是要請財政部來說對財政部好那我們請那個次長來次長請來次長請 |
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主要你們寫的原因是營業稅、眾所稅還有證交稅大幅成長而錯估最主要是營所稅跟證交稅成長的負面營所稅造成證交稅增加是因為股利發放多所以會造成眾所稅增加證交稅大幅成長 |
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證交稅之所以大幅成長主要是高科技產業嘛對不對對因為他權值比較重嘛對所以是不是你們將來在估計這些收入面的部分稅收的部分要考慮的不是整體的景氣分析而已還要包括一個特定產業的分析啊 |
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是委員的意見非常好所以我們這一部分我們會加強來做好相關的預算的預測所以我們也成立這個相關的估測小組而且為外研究那另外我們也透過AI來處理希望將來的預測能夠那這個時候什麼時候會預估會上路你這麼多改革的方法什麼時候目前都已經上路了 |
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都已經上路了那什麼時候以後就可以避免了嗎希望115年我們115年能夠有更就是更精準更精準的避免類似這些數字的產生以至於又發現金的口號出現我跟委員報告就是但是雖然是這樣但是因為我們編預算的時候還有很多的變數因為我們從編預算到實行的時候我知道那個當然就不在你掌握之內你事先能掌握超知在己的先行處理嘛 |
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至少不要變有變數嘛 可不可以 市長市長對 你們從一百一十五年避免類似形式的產生的努力跟目標嘛好不好不要老是出現這種問題連續四年了咧 好不好最後我再問一下主席長 主席長我還是讓你看一下 零四零三的部分當初行政院復原重建的計畫高達兩百八十五億光光復興的時候高達十六億之多啦 |
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然後同樣的這個政災的租金補貼的部分當初用政災基金會那現在是用這一個住宅基金啦那相對而言0102的時候就少了非常的多啦主委長在這個部分你有沒有什麼辦法可以為台南這個災情來多做一些努力雙重建然後然後復原能夠復興報告委員這個像那個我們農業方面有一關那個那個叫做那個 |
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沒關係啦 主席坐一下啦你講那麼久 我以前也沒有這樣子今天要控制一下有需要的經費這個部分台南市也有提出來申請我們也全力在協助說這個部分有相關的一個有教育部的預算有農業部的預算有文化部的預算有課委會的預算等等這些你應該都優先處理才對啊是是是這沒有道理在公共建設當中有所延誤啦 |
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所以我們很希望接下來行政院長下去的時候能夠帶實質的承諾下去然後在民間的部分的復興會員能夠加快腳步好不好這個部分他們會試劇去評估好 請主席長費先好謝謝謝謝瓜文的諮詢現在要請鍾嘉斌委員諮詢 |
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好 主席 在場的委員先進列席了政府機關首長官員 會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請主計是陳主計長 主計總書對不起 主計總書陳主計長抱歉喔 因為今天沒有請到審計部的審計長好 那麼 |
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主席長好我先跟您請教一下我這個講的是預算依法撥補台電離島虧損競爭市場人才要調整新的結果來我們看第一張好總預算公佈了明年的總預算開始籌編了嗎已經在進行了進行籌編了嘛就是3月到4月之間嘛是不是我們中程計劃已經目前在進行我們很快的看下去好那麼有關於媒體報導在3月9號 |
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本來去年度補貼邊在今年的預算要補貼台電的被刪了嘛是不是總預算被刪了嘛總預算前幾天總統也公佈了嘛那結果台電不得不電價審議委員會現在調漲電價但是呢又有一個新聞說3月要台電打算追討110億的離島補貼這是什麼東西下一頁 |
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我們過去的離島用電虧損是不是都台電吸收是它都是由中央目的事業主管機關裡面來撥補是的就是離島建設條例第四條這是不是法定支出撥補離島供電的營運虧損是法定支出它不是屬於基金應該的支出也不是法定支出那這個條例第四條什麼意思是不是強制你要編列預算有沒有有沒有強制力 |
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是而且去年的經濟委員會決議喔建請離島基金研議撥補財政的可行性喔法律也這樣寫了立法院審議預算也這樣說了請問主席總署在籌編明年度預算的時候有沒有想過要怎麼樣依法律的規定編列預算撥補 |
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這個部分因為等於是說它還是有虧損啦虧損的部分是台電在吸收啦那這個部分如果說你沒有彌補它的話那它將來就是要要回歸到這我都知道但是我問的是您是主計總處啊是編列預算撥補這六個字編列預算撥補這六個字有沒有人要做誰要做誰該做 |
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事實上一般如果不是的話就要由地方政府來吸收我沒有說不是什麼地方政府我現在講的就是離島的這個寫在法律嘛離島建設基金14條嘛建設條例14條嘛 |
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目的事業主管機關要審核嘛然後呢政府要怎樣要編列預算撥補那編列預算是不是妳的全責之一是嘛所以就提醒妳開始要籌編了不管是經濟部編編在離島建設基金還是行政院主計總署要有想法了嘛是不是這樣是好所以說主計總署支持用基金來還是另編撥補台電 |
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因為它不是基金所能夠負擔的一個項目基金現在剩不到10億它要1100億所以也不符合基金的用途所以這個部分我們一般原則上應該都是要透過總預算來做好那很清楚了要透過總預算如果必要的時候有沒有可能是用最佳減預算還是特別預算你們去評估好不好好我們現在看來現在我們都很被問到台灣現在跟美國一不一致一致 |
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因為都把中國視為最大的對抗對象美國視中國不是對手,是對抗的對手,不是競爭的對手台灣視中國為境外敵對勢力所以美國川普喊話北約要增加他的軍費到GDP5%那明年我們國防制度的GDP佔比會不會提高,過去大概2.45%會提高嗎? |
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我們原則上是希望要把它提高很好來提高在哪個部分一般來講我們的軍會兩個部分一個是武器採購一個是人員維持往下看所以目前我們看到了國軍缺員嚴重邊線比不足從88掉到了78而且也宣布了4月1號開始總統宣布了軍人海巡有加薪大概調整後可能可以增加到13000到15000而且這裡面我看到的是 |
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自願意的加擠調整之後呢基層的增加幅度多於中階的軍官多於將官你認為這樣合理嗎 |
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還是不評論?因為這個部分是屬於國防部的一個權責但是你不反對嗎?因為現在目前總統已經有宣布加薪所以我只針對這個加薪的部分你要去籌措預算嗎?好,那這樣會不會增加我們的GDP的占比?會嗎?也會好,但是我認為是不夠的往下看其實我們來看一下國軍是需要專業人才的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
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站航管加擠 電針加擠 網路站加擠請問你認為這些專業人才如果是在民間企業的行情因為你們這個主席總書負責統計啊你們有沒有統計過這三類的專業人才在民間的行情怎麼樣多少錢要不要月薪十萬 |
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7169.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
7189.902 |
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你們回去統計一下,了解一下,我認為都超過了但是我們看一看,現在這些人才我們看下一頁,治安人才緊接著在搶啊結果呢,警方的治安人才被搶走了啊兩百萬的年薪,你認為目前我們公共人員的制度,雖然你不是人種,有可能年薪兩百萬嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
7192.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7212.118 |
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很難嘛 那怎麼辦 怎麼求財 怎麼留財我們來看一下美軍怎麼做美軍是什麼 它是用PR89 PR90什麼意思 現在就業市場上最高的那10%就是我的薪資水準你覺得我們公務人員的待遇可以這樣定嗎 |
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7213.868 |
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7227.794 |
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不是定 我們過去的過程是這樣子都是跟內部來比低階的人 初階的人要比中階的低中階的比高階的低新進人員一定比資深人員來的薪水低是不是這樣 美軍不跟你吃這一套啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
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他是現在就業市場如果這個人現在市場行情是十萬我就用十萬挖管他是不是之前剛新進就算他進來之後他的關節比別人低他的資金比別人低前面的人可能是七萬元他要挖他進來是十萬元你覺得公務部門國軍這些必要的部門有沒有可能用這種方式 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7264.294 |
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因為這個部分是人種他根據整個一個制度所以你土地的種族不會反對這種結構的調整吧我們原則上是尊重他整個的一個結構看他要怎麼去做調整是的 我問過人種所以人種這個結構在調整但是調整之後 |
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他的總金額會提高所以這是主計總數要準備好的我舉一個例來講啦現在如果一個大學新進的新生是PR90你覺得校長說不行啊怎麼今年的新生PR90以前現在四年級大四的當年進來的時候還PR80會不會這樣想不會嘛 |
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7313.593 |
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大學在招攬人才的時候認為我現在的薪生進來是PR越來越高比他早年的高這才是我們政府求財留財的方法往下看所以我們短期續薪它是以薪續職這個讓你參考這個問問人事總署再往下看所以接下來看到同樣的是要求財要留財我們也問過了財政部次長在這裡那天我問過了部長金控前十四大只有三家是所謂的犯公股 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7314.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7332.402 |
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那如果是台土輸,台灣銀行、土地銀行跟輸出銀行是輸輸輸啊請問財政部提出的方案要提高待遇來爭取留財、徵財,你們支不支持?這個部分已經送到院裡頭裡面在討論的,這個部分那你們支持嗎?你們去籌措經費 |
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7336.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7365.396 |
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是,人總也在研議中我問過人總了,沒有研議,他已經支持了我當面問過人總所以今天我一個一個問當了財政部的面前,我問主席長知不支持行政院如果要做這個,你知不支持人黨支持囉,你可以判因為這要看行政院的裁定啦,坦白說對,這是行政院的裁定,但是主席長不反對嘛來,我問一下,來,沈記長,總是要請到你沈記長,您知不支持,您反不反對 |
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7371.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
7394.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7415.26 |
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明年度的預算籌編怎麼樣撥補台點的離島虧損怎麼樣納入預算籌編可以嗎可以什麼時候可以讓我們委員會或本席知道因為我們原則上進入預算的籌編大部分都是四月底四月底前可以讓我們知道吧四月底前讓本席或本委員會知道可以嗎 |
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7416.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7436.397 |
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4月底是有點太早,因為大概差不多6月底左右6月底都編好了啊6月底要定案6月就會明朗了但是台電的電價審議委員會4月底就會定案了這樣我們是不是要忍受我們希望說台電如果這個預算能夠撥補我們電價或許漲幅不會那麼嚴重 |
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7439.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7459.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
所以可不可以你們可以提早釋出讓台電心裡有個底他這一億一千億有可能會落袋他才在電疫審議的時候能納入考量可以嗎你不讓我知道要讓台電知道啊我們一直都是支持台電要因為他這是補充你是支持但是你要變成你的法定職權來展示啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7460.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7484.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
他不能吭著你口頭的支持來審議電價我都知道現在我的意思說電價審議不能只是看今天的影片你的口頭支持他必須看到行政院有依法定去進行預算的籌編可不可以好還有兩個主席站起來另外希望你們會同國防部跟人總這當然你們是比較輔助的角色對於我們如果調整薪資結構 |
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7486.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7513.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
仿照美軍的PR-90的概念打破過去傳統資深優於資淺高階優於低階其實在我們這次國軍的待遇的調升已經看到了將官調得少衛官基層軍官調得多這就是一個好的方向去研議調整這樣的結構配合他們去做可以嗎我們尊重人種制度的一個調整還有國防部還有您也支持我們國營金融機構的員工待遇改善方案是不是 |
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7514.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7519.798 |
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原則是好謝謝謝謝因為當年這個限制是國民黨立委限制的謝謝我們都支持謝謝蔡委員的質詢 下面請賴委員質詢賴委員質詢完畢以後我們休息十分鐘好謝謝主席我們有請主席長 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7547.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7565.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
委員好 主席長 午安 早安 早安先跟主席長致意 也跟你致敬你在上週的花蓮的演講 真的實在是令人感動 非常謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7566.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7582.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
我想這個不管算帳還是總預算還是做那個調查的一個統計這些基本功其實都是整個政府運作的一個核心的一個基礎那如果沒有這一些的話其實我們也沒有辦法 |
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7583.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7606.176 |
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那個就是付公務人員的薪水也沒有辦法辦各種的一個業務那更不要講說基礎的一個建設其實如果沒有妥定的一個制定就是很好的一個政策其實我們這個國家會陷入在一個困境裡頭所以我想在野檔的二三預算其實大家都苦不堪言 |
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7606.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7621.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
那在上個星期五3月21號賴總統已經正式宣布了今年度被在野黨亂山亂動的一個總預算總統就是已經下令了那我們在這裡看到就是從114年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7623.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7651.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們的預算案 法定預算這個是那個空白 追加預算案也是空白那現在我要請教你就是說從去年開始9月開業以後在野黨就一直在阻礙這個總預算的一個通過其實到了上個月2月19號才終於把這個案子送出來竹記長 我想我們現在看到了你的官網裡頭你的法定預算還是空白的 就是說 |
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7653.59 |
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7668.458 |
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是不是因為這一次的三途通過的一個總預算在刪減的一個科目跟金額上面有很多的一個問題所以你沒有辦法把這個法定的預算把它就是很明顯的就是寫上去是不是這樣的一個困難 |
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7669.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7691.947 |
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因為現在目前碰到的困難就是說他要我們通案刪減一個636億的這個部分我們會有困難那這個困難我們還是要跟立法院來做一個說明希望立法院能夠支持這個部分看是要怎麼樣來處理能夠進行協商是這樣子所以你提出來了嗎 |
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7708.782 |
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我們目前正在研議當中我們也很快會提出來那另外我們也會針對就是說部分單位他被刪減的很厲害就是刪減到0或者是實際上運作有困難的這個部分 |
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7709.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7718.837 |
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水電匯付不出來這一些部分我們先優先的要來申請動之第二預備金所以主席講妳的帳已經兌上來了嗎就是被刪減的跟妳自己的帳有沒有兌上來了 |
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7724.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7739.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
目前就是這個部分我們還是在對上還是有一些的疑議啦這個部分所以我們也會是希望說這個部分將來譬如說我們達成協調以後要用什麼樣數字來刪減或者是說要用什麼數字來做一個宣佈 |
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7748.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7762.432 |
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所以就是說在野黨胡亂的就是三讀造成審查後說出的一個數額這個有很大的一個爭議那未能易解那就像我們非常清楚就是說照這一次三讀內容的一個 |
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7763.392 |
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7778.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
計算的話我們他是刪減就是要刪減2076億喔可是主計總署你詳細校對了以後發現需要確確的一個科目刪除的金額其實只要1439億那這兩筆兩筆錢差了636億元那這樣子的話在野黨也沒有非常明確的說他要刪什麼科目 |
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7789.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7796.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
反過來要行政院自行調整三減數這個完全會三而三那怎麼辦呢 |
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7797.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7824.152 |
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所以這個部分我們就是刪減有困難那第二個這個刪讀內容這個部分要刪減2076億元的部分是有部分的單位預算他刪減數超過預算數超過7000多萬那所以這個部分就是會比較有問題那這個部分我們會照他就是說他的預算數來刪所以數字跟宣布的部分數字是會有出入那另外一個就是636億的部分沒有辦法刪 |
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7826.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7852.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
而且等於說如果說要刪了要追加預算也要符合追加預算一個一個所定的一個原則它有四項的一個條件所以這個部分我們也是在努力中好努力中這個要非常的努力因為這個在野黨三這個二三這個預算我們很明確看得出來就是說其實是在阿扁時代的時候有一個就是中 |
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7853.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7867.148 |
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總預算的法定預算稅出跟這個我們的那個三減數這個大家看到了一個就是在那個阿扁時代這個大概是5.04那就是馬英九時代 |
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7868.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7884.201 |
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2012年的時候它其實是刪減的額度非常少只刪了0.02%那一樣就是說就算同樣都是超小也大這個阿扁時代的時候你看它刪減的比例最高也是在2002年也不過刪了5% |
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7888.084 |
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7909.735 |
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那這一次這麼嚴重刪了6.63%啦所以我想這個其實是在破壞了整個中央的一個運作我們看得非常的一個清楚那所有刪減凍結其實集中在特定的一個機關的業務會那我們看到了就是監察院還有不斷單場處理委員會行政院還有總統府 |
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7910.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7930.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
甚至我們看到了最離譜的就是一個就是內政部那個國土署他有一個在細指的那個白富的社會住宅這一個規劃叫1.2億結果把它刪掉那個變成超過了就是超過了他的預算數超刪了多了300萬這個實在是非常非常的離譜 |
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7939.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7957.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
甚至就是說在監察院裡頭在監察院這個被刪了我覺得這個在野黨他這個其實是在圖利監察院他除了領薪水以外他叫他們什麼事都不要做所以這麼奇怪的一個刪預算的一個方式實在是非常的誇張 |
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7960.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7969.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
這個主席長我想在這裡啦我覺得就是說也是要跟你共同的去再做一個探討就是說一算三成這個樣子你會不會擔心 |
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7973.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7989.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我們是盡力來做協調盡力來把問題解決因為像監察院一直跟我們說他水電會付不出來那那個台電公司要求他還要寫還款的一個協議所以這個部分我們也是希望說能夠儘早把問題解決 |
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7991.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8018.121 |
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這個是非常嚴重的你看凍結總預算比那個三年前平均增加了九倍這個非常嚴重會影響很多的招標案跟補助案我們看到了就是說在這個最低工資的審議案其實他也受到影響了本來是午夜要辦的人力應用調查可是或許他也會因為就是說這一波的一個那個凍結預算讓主計總處的人力調查 |
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8021.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8025.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
那未來行政院有可能就是有什麼比較好的那個救濟的一個措施還是因應的作為嗎 |
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8037.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
8055.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
是那我們現在就是說針對那個剛剛就是說如果被凍結那個條件的部分我們是希望說能夠先送到立法院來然後跟立法院來進行協調先針對凍結的部分能夠進行解凍那刪減的部分我們是希望說 |
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8056.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8077.192 |
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因為他有一部分是三減到零這個部分我們先動二倍金然後跟立法院來報告先動二倍金對報告說請動二倍金來先支援到六月那然後等到我們辦追加減預算這個條件這個部分是不是能夠先協調說大概我三減的如果說我要照他 |
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總數來三減希望將來能夠這三減數能夠恢復以上的一個說明好 主席長我想這個總統也把那個在上個禮拜五也一併的這個財化法也一併的公告了這個財化法其實這個對掏空中央弱化地方的財政這個我們看得非常清楚他就讓地方政府變成是一個媽寶其實我們看到了就是說 |
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最多的一個補助的一個比例是在離島跟那個比例喔是在花東跟離島啦那這一次的修法其實有兩大的一個問題我們都非常地一個清楚了那地方要到錢不一定做對的事其實有時候我們反而覺得就是這個財化法是在陷害地方政府這些縣市長反而就是說 |
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會是一個陷阱那如何因應就是越糟糕的一個財化法這一次這個財化法我們看得非常清楚就是重北侵難 非常的惡劣如果要搭配補助款來通盤檢討跟分配 |
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那應該是一定要這樣做 必要的話甚至要調整整個補助補助款的一個公式我想在這裡我要替所有的一個農業的一個縣市來講像其實以我們台南來講的話 |
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因為我們台南來講的話其實我們拿到了150億結果我們的地下鐵就需要的是中央的補助款是256億現在中央告訴我們說他只能補助我們五成而已所以我想這個都是非常嚴重的一個問題那請那個主計長就是說也請你們加油啦請加油謝謝主席好 謝謝賴教委的諮詢 |
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我們本來要休息了 不過李英雄已經到了就是你執行完了 我們確定休息好不好請李委員執行 請感謝昭偉 我不贊助 我不會延長時間那我是不是就請財政部的阮政次還有財政部的阮政次以及我們的主計長主計長你先坐下喝水 等一下第二個問題再輪到你主計長先去休息一下 喝個水 |
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上個會期我們在立法院不分黨派修了一個非常重要的法案有共識的法案就是打詐專法但是打詐專法的案件跟金額我關注到從打詐儀表板裡面從3月16號到3月22號 |
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我們的詐騙的案件數仍舊有3917件被詐騙的金額仍舊有18億這是光光一個禮拜左右的時間在3月16號到3月22號 |
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在1月份我們被詐騙的金額是95億在2月份我們被詐騙的金額高達60億雖然我有關注到一個數字比較去年我們每日被詐騙的金額是4.8億現在可能透過我們修法的努力也好或者是我們的基層員警還有大家接受到有可能被詐騙的訊息現在每天平均可能只有2億 |
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但是這次每天全國被詐騙兩億這個數字每一塊錢都是人民的血汗錢我常常在基層跑的時候有一些民眾跟我講說我都不敢跟我家人講但我被詐騙了多少錢有沒有機會追得回來其實有時候我知道困難度非常高但他們非常痛苦 |
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也就是說我們要感受到人民的痛苦這件事情我覺得在打造這件事情我們似乎政府還應該做得更多我說到這邊你同意嗎 |
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跟委員報告事實上打詐這一部分我們對公股也好或者供應市也好我們這個是我們督導的重點對但是我們似乎可以做的更多我們不是似乎我們應該要做的更多如果說1月份還有95億2月份時間比較短有60億平均每天我們還有2億被詐騙 |
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我覺得政府應該要做的是更多的我們應該想辦法看我們有什麼樣的政策工具把打詐這件事情做得更多我相信你應該可以認同我的話但是這次我也關注到一件事情金管會前一陣子祭出史上最重的罰款這裁罰金額高達兩千兩百萬罰的對象是全台灣民眾最信任的我們的台灣銀行 台銀 |
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我想這次你應該知道什麼事情台銀的行員自主詐騙集團詐騙民眾的血汗錢而且根據台銀內部我們也有洗錢防治法的示警機制但是我們最後是查到就是查證人員跟主管認為該行員同署同一個分行就沒有積極查證 |
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我們自己政府官員公股銀行做出這樣的事情我們有相關的市井機制但是卻發生這樣的事情這件事情要不要為全國要不要為台銀這件事情跟全國人民道歉 |
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跟委員包括這個事情發生這發生在台銀的台銀是公股銀行它應該是所有公股銀行的表率在所有不管民間或公股銀行裡面台銀應該是人民最可以信任的單位我應該這麼說譬如說在美國美國銀行是大家可以最信任的單位在台灣銀行是公股銀行的表率是 |
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照理說應該做模範,但是卻發生這樣的事情,你認為應不應該為這件事情道歉?我跟委員報告,發生這種事情我們真的是非常遺憾因為他這個內部的相關的同仁除了遺憾之外,應不應該道歉? |
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我是覺得是這樣子因為這兩個同仁我們現在都已經提起公訴而且都已經免職了那麼相關的督導的他們當然有司法的問題但是如果身為台灣銀行我們公股銀行第一表率我們的內控機制都這麼糟糕的話我們監理的機制內控的機制都這麼糟糕我們如何管理其他的公股銀行甚至是民間的銀行 |
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所以你到現在還不敢說出我們應該對民眾道歉我們未來會加強管理你只有遺憾兩個字我心裡會覺得非常難過因為每一塊錢我剛剛已經講了都是人民的血汗錢所以你不能道歉這件事情我個人是覺得我更覺得遺憾我也非常的詫異那我就要請問就是說除了檢訟司法之外就是對於這一個個案 |
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但是我們財政部跟金管會未來如何加強合作把加強後續的內控機制做得更好譬如說我要請問鄭次我們現在打詐的主管到底是專任還是兼任我們有沒有打詐主管 |
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打詐的主管基本上他是按照他的權責就是說有沒有打詐主管這件事你就直接回答有做沒有好有好有那他是專任還是簽任 |
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這個他不可能是專任的因為他為什麼因為他一個分行裡面那我就要說我的看法想法我不知道你為什麼說不能專任但是對於無論洗錢防治法也好或者是專任的打擊詐騙內部做的內部監 |
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監控的控管這個是需要高度的關注兼任這件事情我有時間我才可以走我沒時間我要把我的本份業務做好本份業務沒做好我會拖累到整個銀行的整個系統SOP 標準SOP所以就是因為它長期是一個兼任的機制所以是不是才會有台銀這個事情發生我不知道還有沒有其他的未爆彈但是我今天在這邊質詢我就透過我的質詢提醒你 |
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專任跟兼任在去做打詐主管這件事情對於銀行的內控機制的管理 |
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是有程度上的差異能不能做得更好就是有程度上的差異所以你不要跟我講說你沒有辦法做是在人為看你有沒有決心當台灣銀行自己做了一個專任的打詐主管找出一個打詐主管是專任的我相信未來整個內控的機制管理監理都一定會做得更好我跟委員報告就是基本上這個案子未發生基本上是發生 |
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到第一道防線因為我今天時間不多因為我還要問主席長但是我只提醒你怎麼樣做得更好我只提醒你工具跟方法但是你要去思考怎麼樣去做兼任的能不能做得更好或者是專任的才可以把事情做好我提醒你因為臺灣銀行發生這個事情全國都在看如果臺灣銀行內控沒做好你怎麼去要求其他公股銀行甚至是民間銀行 |
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主席,臺灣的通膨已經連續三年超過二我們通常跟央行主管跟您之前討論,超過二就開始人民對於通膨的感受度是非常明顯的 |
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但是台灣已經過去連續三年通膨已經達到警戒線甚至都超過二那我們現在碰到幾個當然非常大的挑戰國際的問題關稅的問題匯率的操作這都是匯之數好那我看到你二月份上修的預估通膨是達到1.94我要請問主計長這個1.94有沒有計算到今年可能面臨的關稅還有包括我們店家的漲幅 |
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然後民生用電也會漲到11%工業用電可能漲到6%當然這都還不一定但是這個1.94有沒有把今年水電的漲幅納入考量沒有這目前是沒有沒有的好那如果今年我不知道最後會漲多少那我們通膨會有沒有可能再上修如果4月份公佈調漲之後你目前有沒有計算過幾個版本我們最後通膨會上修大概多少 |
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如果有店會有調整的話那這個部分我們大概會做一些上修啦我當然知道你一定會上修因為那個數字是很輕你當然要計算但是主計長你應該會有幾個版本你會去建議跟行政院長 卓院長溝通說欸 調漲5% 6% 8% 11%大概排骨飯未來會多少會漲到多少 芋頭飯會多少早餐一個三明治會漲多少你應該有跟他講吧 |
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我們主計處不是加減數字我們應該也會提供一些政策思考給長官看嘛不是 因為這個部分我們主要是我們的評估我們會把評估結果送給院長你有送就對了你有提醒他們就對了有送好幾個版本有送幾個版本但是我們沒有針對台電這個我們還沒有去把還沒有對 |
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主席講這個事情很大條我的意思是說你應該去告訴他漲5%那整個通膨是多少7%是多少 11%你們應該有這個版本才對如果到現在還沒做這個版本非常訝異台電要不要漲現在還沒有做確定 |
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我們必須等到他漲了確定之後那漲了就來不及啦 漲了就來不及主席講 我再提醒一件事情我再用最後30秒因為我去年問你說我們現在受雇員工的經常性薪資已經是連續三年的負成長好不容易今年調整變成正成長變0.58%所以如果今年的通膨持續維持新高的話那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
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我們今年是不是經常性的薪資 實質薪資都能夠維持正成長或甚至變回負責這是去年啦 但今年到底狀況你今年還能維持正成長好 謝謝好 謝謝李文的質詢 我們休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8904.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
走吧走吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8948.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8955.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
謝謝觀看,下次見! |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8984.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8984.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
蝦仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9025.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9032.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
9043.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9057.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
後面一家家伙上來打牌這家伙是一家家伙這家是一家家伙 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9068.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9068.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
鋼琴 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9114.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
所以還有7個,那是8分鐘嗎?10分鐘10分鐘,哦,好,加20分所以7個,這樣,這裡,然後呢,就要點20,然後上上下下,拌拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌,然後拌, |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9118.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9119.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
差不多四年次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9143.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
嗯嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9169.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9171.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
中文字幕 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9204.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
嗯。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9234.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
哦哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9300.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9327.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9328.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9364.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9364.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9392.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9392.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9425.437 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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響鐘 |
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這個要我報告我們現在已經臨時領文資訊卿 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請這個陳主委長好 陳主委長請 |
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委員長好 主委長您在這個2月26號我們主席總署發布國內的經濟預測表示因為立法院刪減預算所以會這個削弱成長動能因而下修今年的經濟成長率是3.14%教育測數減少0.15% |
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這樣真的是如此嗎局長來我讓你看那個我們這個PPT啦局長你可以看到幾乎所有的單位在院會被巡視都表示今年度的預算都有增加我們看國防部增加400多億 |
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教育部增加300億內政部增加400億交通部增加389億農業部增加83.2億衛福部增加306億國科會增加132億科爾會增加也增加了4億主席長你說這個增加這麼多啊 |
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總預算數的總額高達兩兆九千兩百四十八億也比一百一十三年度多了一千三百六十八億整個中央政府的總預算比去年度增加了百分之二點五六你說對不對 |
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這個數據對不對報告委員因為增加的項目是增加2,806億那主要是增加公共建設對健保的一個補助還有一些調薪這些等等但是三檢的部分是三檢集中在部分的機關還有業務費所以這樣才會有執行困難就是你這個我剛才提的數據都對嗎是 |
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所以說您對外界說是因為立法院刪減預算所以下修今年的經濟成長率 |
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這個部分我也跟委員在說明他主要有幾點的一個因素影響第一個他前面的基數就已經很高了他又提高因為本來我們預估是比較少再又提高所以他今年我們的增減會減少那第二個預算也有一點點有影響雖然影響沒有但是也有影響預算也有影響就是以前面積極高 |
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因為你這樣的說法跟央行總裁的講法完全背道而馳 |
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央行他在這個下修今年的成長率他的專業評估是因為川普這個上任對經濟充滿不確定政策充滿不確定性川普將科對等關稅恐將衝擊出口 |
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台積電擴大赴美設廠恐衝擊國內的投資所以才下修經濟成長率跟你講的什麼總預算什麼三減會影響所謂的這個經濟的成長率完全背道而馳啊你這個說法不是很外行嗎主席長你身為我們中華民國的這個整個預算的一個這個主計啊你講這樣子下修成長率跟預算算數有關 |
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是有關的但是我要跟委員報告因為川普的這個因素目前一直還不確定中所以這個因素一直還沒有放到評估裡面去這個才是最大的因素跟你講說什麼跟這個預算總預算的三減有關 |
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聽起來很外行你講這個話另外有關今天我們討論預算法的修正那主席總書在3月7號你對外指出說收支剩餘應優先用於償債或留工未來重大的正式支出應考量保留政策彈性普發現金不宜常態性來辦理你這個說法我今天告訴你你根本是在凸顯行政院 |
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這幾年撥補台電的不適宜啦主席長你知道說過去我們編列多少次的預算補助台電嗎 |
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目前補助三千億總額是三千億 總共幾次 我告訴你三次所以我們知道台電到今年二月它已經連續三年的大虧損累計的虧損高達四千兩百二十九億主要的原因就是依照童子賢先生講的 |
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就是因為錯誤的能源政策以及整個能源採購與經營的效益不彰而下個月台電又要再次調漲電價預計四月份我們的民生電價要漲11% |
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產業的電價漲5%這將衝擊到1450萬戶產業民生的影響所有的電價全調這也是我們四年來第五次的漲價因此照這樣的延續的補助台電是否也可以認定是常態性的辦理一直補助台電這是常態性的辦理嗎 |
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其實不是常態性的辦理但是主要是因為他對於民生的電價他沒有漲所以這個部分呢就高達有2800億左右那這個部分我們主要是彌補他這個不叫常態性的辦理喔這每年在家虧損就一直補助他用政府編列預算來補助他你說這不是常態性的 |
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以國外的一個例子來看 他調整的一個調整的電價調得更高所以這樣子的話民生更沒辦法承受所以這個部分我們在調節的部分你現在是說補助的問題 現在一直補助他每年他有虧損 我們政府就要編列預算來補助他像你今年你要編一千億的公務預算 |
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都是用政府編列預算來補助所以這樣的補助的方式未來只要台電有虧損我們就要補助這不是叫常態性嗎不是這個部分主要是他有配合行政院針對政策性的讓他民生電價不要漲價這個部分來做彌補所以這個部分才叫做才補貼這個部分這樣啦 這個組長我問你啊對於台電的一個撥補啊這個屬不屬於我們的常債 |
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這不是常債這不是常債嘛對啊所以不是常債那我們現在講我們超徵稅收要來這個還稅於民你說台電可以用我們上一次也有用我們超徵的稅收來補助他嗎所以你說這不是這個常態嗎那請問你那我們這一次把我們這個要求說把我們超徵的稅收來還稅於民這個是常態嗎 |
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因為他如果變在余政法裡面他就會變成常態所以你要把超徵的稅收我們把要求還稅於民這是OK的啊 |
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這跟補助台電的道理是一樣的啊因為一般我們有剩餘是透過在政策上一個表達所以我們會先進到一個累積剩餘的一個累積然後再編列預算來做政策性的一個我看你的報告說今年扣除所有的債務還本我們大概還有1581億 |
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所以這1581億難道不可以來還稅漁民嗎這你完全扣除所有的債務了 |
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因為裡面我們如果說要把它放在115年我們也或者是追加我們也必須要等到7月審計部審定以後我們才可以來做這個我們了解但是你的政策方向要很明確告訴我們說這個是可以的而不是說這個不能常態這樣不能常態化這個就講的就讓我們覺得很奇怪實際上這是可行的 |
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當初發放現金重點是經濟成長不好然後第二個是因為疫後疫後我們為了要刺激經濟讓它能夠有復甦所以我們才會做一個這樣因為卓院長在3月6號的院會備詢的時候他表示會往在野黨所提撲發現金的方向走 |
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但是今天主席總書的報告 包含您剛才的一個詢答 您是對此不表認同啊所以主席長 我們主席總書是反對卓院長 他所這個詢答的時候 他所表示的方向嗎我們是對一定在法條裡面 我們是不支持是這樣的一個意思 |
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是說你如果支持了以後這個部分定在法條以後將來就是變成他沒有彈性那沒有彈性的話執行的時候就會比較針對其他的一個政務的影響就會蠻大另外我想剩一點點時間問你您的報告說稅收時增超過預算數是屬估計誤差請問你是這個所謂的估計誤差是怎樣子的一個估計誤差 |
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這個部分可能是財政部要說明的部分不屬於妳的對 因為稅務的估計是屬於財政部的業務是財政部來說明財政部每年都這樣一直超增所謂的講說是估計誤差那過去主計總署都沒有發覺這樣離譜的誤差的稅收預估狀況嗎 |
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我們114年就把它這個修正了所以我們114年的一個稅率也大幅的增加這樣財政部這樣一直說超徵有沒有這個會估計估計會有這麼大的誤差總共10年喔10年來都超徵啊這樣是不是破壞財政距離這樣會不會破壞財政距離啊 |
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這本身這個114年預算的稅務我們就已經有做修正了這個部分所以你這樣忽視財政部這樣離譜的預算編列能力與誤差主計總部是否有你你是否有失職我們今年已經有經營請他修正了所以今年的一個稅務又有大幅的一個修正謝謝好以上好謝謝好謝謝那個 |
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主席 主席長 請主席長請 |
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主席長我個人一向很尊敬您我也是尊敬您我覺得你身為一位獨立自主的女性我內心表達非常敬重但是我昨天 還是昨天 前兩天看到新聞看到說您有一個 您上了一個節目還是上了一個宣講的場合參加一個大罷免的活動 對吧 有吧 |
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我不是參加大罷免活動我是在宣講政策是宣講喔我覺得我看著你我看你一上台就拿著稿開始唸吧我不知道你唸的那句話是就應該是人家寫給你的吧照稿讀啊那我心裡覺得很難過啊就覺得好像是被人家拿一個東西叫你唸前面那一段啊前面那一段啊說什麼你是怎樣是怎樣我覺得我心裡很感慨啦因為我覺得到底你是去宣講呢還是去亂講啊 |
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我主要是在講台中文化法修正的一個困境你身為主計長我對我們的行政官員事實上都一向很尊重那我們這些行政官員尤其是政務官應該要保持一定的高度在我來看都當到國家部會首長都是非常高的位置而且是讓人家敬重的那至少你要去宣講政策當然是行政院要求要去宣講政策職責所在那宣講的內容也應該照這個 |
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比較 我們來看一下妳說了什麼嘛那妳知道去參加以前 妳知道這是民進黨在做這個全台大罷免一個造勢的場合嗎不是 因為他們說這是我們政策宣講的一個場合所以妳認為這個是很適合出現的嗎主計官隊來講 各地的主權都很中立的角色啊 |
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你覺得你適合參加嗎所以你不知道他是罷免的場合就對了因為他們在那邊講罷免啊有人上去演啊 罷免啊重點是宣導政策所以你認為你是去宣導政策不是說去講反罷免這個事對 我一向也沒有這樣子你沒有這樣的想法所以你身為主席連這種基本的判斷能力也沒有就對了 |
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不是沒有 而是認為說我不是這樣子我們來看一下你現場提供的資料好不好我們來看你提供的資料正不正確你宣講的有沒有像你看這個你現場提供的三立的報導金省前跟金省後這你在《人民是土家》的政策宣講講原來金省前28歐財化法的這是財化法這個稅率劃分情形之前是28.9 直轄三縣市台灣省政府是11嘛中央政府是60.1嘛那金省後 |
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這個您提供24.6% 省政委的部分是11% 中央政委的部分是64.4%這個是你做的表沒錯吧 是那這個表裡頭 我想請問你你做這個表的意思是說 經審前跟經審後 因為你看71.1%跟75.4%所以增加只有 中央只有增加4%的意思是嗎 |
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我的意思是說這個部分必須考量原來台灣省政府的業務的部分當初我們中央是有承接雖然收入有承接但是支出同樣有承接這是講收入我先討論收入的部分我知道支出當然也有承接所以你做的這個表把這個畫起來左邊是71.1右邊是75.4那意思是說中央只增加了4點多的收入是嗎 |
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對中央就是說等於說地方他減少了4點多的一個收入就經審後地方只有減少4點多嘛對所以在你這個表格裡頭省政府是屬於中央嘛對不對因為省政府的業務後來劃歸到在你這個表格因為我們說左邊經審前啦在你的裡頭省政府也算中央的是是嗎好下一頁來中華民國憲法第108條省政府是中央海地方 |
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按照憲法規範你身為中華民國主席長中華民國憲法第108條中央是中央地方業務包括什麼省市省政府縣市政府所以你這個表格是我覺得是意圖在這個誤導民眾啊 |
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我是針對整個一個稅務裁員你用這個表格我知道但是我知道你把那弄很清楚但你把它弄成71.1好像是只有增加4%地方減少那麼少地方好像只減少4%但事實上就是不是這樣子 |
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你這個誇號 你用這個誇號 像精神前中央只增加不到5%然後你把精神前省也算成中央 這個是在欺騙百姓啊因為你是行政官員 你當初宣誓的時候是宣誓是按照中華民國憲法宣誓 要遵守憲法所以在百姓宣導證的時候 你必須要合憲合法你現在馬上到旁邊的幕僚把他給我翻中華民國憲法第108條 省算是中央海地方 |
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因為經省以後他的業務是移到中央來辦理沒錯嘛 那錢也是移過來嘛所以地方的錢是變少嘛地方的錢也變少嘛 沒錯嘛我的意思是說 你要講說因為財務法我是主審的 我非常了解你要說地方的中央事情變多 錢變多 事情也變多那現在如果財務法要這樣畫那我們也必須要把這個一些事權下放 |
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這點我都同意我也都尊重所以我在這裡也一直在講說那內政部提出哪些事權要下放的法律修改啊交通部經濟部各個部會覺得哪些部會有些事情既然前面財化法分給地方那地方多做一點把事權劃出來啊我請各個部會提出相關的修法這個是各個部會應該提出他們沒做嘛 |
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對不對 他們必須這樣做嘛 那你們主計處跟財政部也應該提出你們的版本是你們一直不願意提出版本嘛 我們苦等再等 一等再等從六月份等到九月份 再從九月份等到十二月份 都沒有 我們就只好修法嘛我們不是不願意說等你們有版本吧 |
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那因為可是我是在說當你身為一個政務官下鄉去宣講的時候你要講正確的觀念啊比如說你連省是中央還是地方你都搞不清楚嘛 |
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你身為一個中華民國的主計長連中華民國憲法的明白規定的中央跟地方的權限都沒有弄清楚嘛你說我有沒有說錯啊我現在是在談業務的部分對對對 沒有啦你要宣講你要給百姓正確的觀念嘛但是你要給百姓正確的觀念嘛是 謝謝不然你連中華民國憲法都不了解你還是依照中華民國憲法宣示的主計長啊那我再請教你所以我請說您宣講的時候準備材料的時候我寧願喔 站在我的立場 |
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以我對你的尊敬我寧願相信你是被誤導啦我真的是寧願這樣相信啊好 那請教齁現在那個我們以前一直有提到一個什麼就是地方的這個自籌款跟那個中央的這種 |
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就在補助的時候一些款項比例就像財力分級的自籌款的比例 對吧有分一級 二級 三級 四級 五級每一級有不同的規定比如說台北市第一級 連江第五級自籌款比例會不一樣 沒錯吧對 因為整個財源改變請問哪個等級是地方要自籌50% |
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哪一個等級這個部分目前沒有現在正在研議當中沒有現在沒有嘛對不對沒有嘛齁那為什麼金門縣政府收到這個有部會的這個公文說這個補助款下去地方請地方自籌50%這個依法有據嗎我們整個目前正在檢討當中對你在檢討還沒有下公文嘛對不對還沒有你還在檢討但是有部會喔已經提出這樣的公文給地方政府喔說下去你們的這個自籌款要準備50%喔這個是依法有據的公文嗎 |
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還是在恐嚇地方的公文啊沒有嘛 還沒有這樣規定出來對不對我們主計總署是沒有下這個公文對 我不是說你主計總署我知道 我相信主計總署會依法辦事雖然你沒有熟讀那個憲法不了解這個也被誤導 好不好我就認為你被誤導我在地方聽到這個齁我們基本原來第三級嘛要負擔三成啦 約三成啦 |
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現在有部會要求到第五層有要求到五層請你 確實沒有這件事情對不對確實也沒有這個要求對不對目前是我們沒有做這樣的要求你們自己沒有 你有沒有要求其他部會這樣做沒有沒有嘛 如果真的沒有要對外澄清不然請你要詢問給各個部會啊他們怎麼可以不依法行政啊現在中央單位都可以亂套喔 |
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想要發文說五成就五成 想要給地方說你七成就七成 可以這樣子嗎但是院長在院會裡面 補助都是要依法行政啊院長在院會裡面有說明說補助款的部分先行凍結50%我說的是自籌款的部分嘛所有東西要依法行政嘛補助先凍結50%是有做這樣的一個說法我說的不是現在的 我說的是比如說你有個計畫上來嘛 對不對你本來是7比3嘛 你現在竟然要求人家50嘛 |
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這是不對的嘛因為你們還沒有修你們不能這樣做吧你們是不是要依法行政我們沒有這樣子修我們說你啦你沒有問題我們說主計是你們既然沒有修其他各位你應該發文給各個部會啊 |
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因為你們每個部會都有主計人員啊如果有的部會沒這樣做這樣他是不是違法不是因為現在是院長是說先凍結我知道你說的是那個因為114年度被刪減的情形要做調停我知道你說的是什麼我說但是我們財化法還沒有實施喔財化法還沒有實施喔這是另外一件事對不對這兩件事嘛所以我現在說的是自籌款的部分嘛我是可以請你跟各個部會通令啊 |
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對不對 財化如果以後你要改成說要比例可能要調整你們會考慮那當然你們後面應該依法做嘛現在還沒有以前你們部應該這樣做是不是要通令你要請你的主計人員在各個部會的啊問他各個部會有沒有做這樣違法的事情這是違法欸 |
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難道可以一個部長我隨便舉例隨便隨便某某部長就是說我比較喜歡某個縣市我就要求他這個只要自籌20%我最討厭這個縣市他就要加到70%不可以嘛政府有法令對不對所以你是不是要通令我要求啦通令請各個單位要按照現在的法令行政嘛現在有財力分級嘛對吧是不是可以這樣做 |
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這個部分因為是行政院規範的不是我所以這個部分我們也可以向行政院來說明清楚其他部會違法你們裡面主計的人不用追究嗎那我要求一件事就好了好不好你請幫我了解給我資料各個部會因為你們都有主計的人有哪些部會做了這樣的事情違法要求地方給比較多超過原來他財力分級的部分一個月給我各個部會的資料 |
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好 謝謝陳委員的諮詢下一位請黃珊珊委員諮詢 請 |
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請主席長 還有財政部阮次長兩位好我想 |
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主席長跟財政部在3月12號立法院否決了《財化法》復議案當天本席在質詢院長的時候院長手上說他有一個行政院的版本請問兩位你們看過行政院的版本了嗎院長手上那個版本你看過了沒沒有主席長你看過了沒我們有討論過有討論過你看過版本沒 |
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所以財政部也沒看過版本但是就在院長手上財政部次長沒看過版本沒有看過這個版本沒有看過版本所以意思就是說院長拿了一個空包彈來立法院欺騙我們所有的委員嗎財化法的架構是有交換意見所以從頭到尾行政院到現在還沒有任何的版本所以院長說他有版本要跟立法院討論目前為止還是空談重點是 |
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我想問一下 復議案到現在 上個禮拜通過今天正式實施 上個禮拜五正式公告今天開始115年的預算編列就在眼前我想問一下兩位 尤其是主席長 請問適用新法就應該按照新法來編列 是嗎 |
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這個部分我們也有跟相關法規去請示過我在問你法律法律通過了要不要執行它生效是114年但是因為整個一個流程因為你還沒有編嘛所以你要編115年我沒有在問你114年嘛所以115年的預算正要編要怎麼編是用新法來編就要用新的財政收支劃分法來編是吧 |
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兩位沒有要回答我嗎 |
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統籌分配稅款是這樣就是說在每一個會計年度之前的四個月它就要分配下去所以就114年度來講時間已經過了所以沒辦法再分配我沒有跟你講114我現在問你的115年現在地方政府正要開始編請問財政部他們要怎麼編那就前提就看我們財務法有沒有生效剛剛講了今天已經生效了 |
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已經公告了所以次長啊你現在在這裡他已經生效了不要再跟我講生不生效的問題假定我們的相關的黨團好啦我現在只問說地方政府是不是還要等到你們要去申請釋憲要去復印要去大罷免然後編兩套預算本啊一個是舊法的一個是新法的他是不是要編兩套預算 |
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版本才可以來因應接下去的預算編列尤其是到七月八月就要送到立法機關去審議啦財政部要不要告訴一下地方政府他們該怎麼辦 |
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基本上我剛才也跟委員報告過就是說目前當然已經生效但生效的前提就是說我現在就問你生效之後你們要不要照辦嘛不辦就說不辦不辦就說地方政府你編兩套一套是按照新法一套是按照舊法現在說清楚講明白如果沒有申請暫時處分也沒有釋憲的話當然一定要按照生效的所以現在是三月快三月底了 |
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四月五月你的如果会到几月预算编列不可能等到你们相关的如果发生了解所以时间点第二个地方政府现在到底有多少不知道财政部不想用新法来分配当然我知道你们只想去罢免重点是财政部你是行政机关次长你是重要的政务单位所以你们要告诉地方政府该怎么编吧 |
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基本上跟委員報告基本上我們依法行政法通過了不執行就違法如果它已經正式生效那當然我們一定要依法來執行至少不要再說如果它今天就正式生效今天現在你要不要告訴我一下地方政府該怎麼辦地方政府那部分因為它是下一個會計年度的四個月之前我們才有分配法所以你要告訴他說依照新通過的法律去編列吧 |
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所以你是要告訴我說中央的主管機關可以告訴地方政府你不用按照新法去編列時間還沒到到時候再看看這個國家因為行政院這樣的態度因為行政院完全不想要把這個版本拿出來跟立法院討論 |
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政黨繼續火車對撞繼續魚死網破讓國家停擺這才是我今天看到行政院的態度財政部從來沒有放棄繼續在修法我再說一下很好笑你們3月6號不是開了一個會然後我們跟你們調資料你知道國庫署打電話復議案通過之後國庫署打來說請問辦公室還要不要資料意思就是說復議案通過了立法委員 |
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要你們3月6號的所謂的徵詢會議資料已經不用提供了然後徵詢會議也沒有意義了是嗎不會我了解是沒有這種情況如果委員需要這個資料那個會議記錄的話我們會後會提供這沒有問題的是啊所以他打電話來問我要不要資料要資料就是要資料第二個你們的所謂的徵詢會議開了多少次啊 |
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我們現在開了三次 已經開了第三次從去年到現在開過幾次啊開過三次所以今一次是3月6號是由主席長所以去年立法院叫你們去提版本到今年你們只開過三次徵詢會議問地方政府 問了三次都沒有答案所以就不提版本 是嗎我跟委員報告了 |
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財政劃分法是我們中央跟地方財政收支劃分的我現在只想說,接下去115年的預算就在眼前我希望你一個月之內告訴我,告訴地方政府該怎麼編列你們要復業也好,你們要行政儲備也好 |
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明白的告訴大家第二個不要讓院長拿了一個假的版本在立法院說我手上就有版本如果一個連財政部連主計處都沒看過的版本然後院長在立法院公開的回答委員說我手上就是版本到今天為止我很希望看到那個版本結果連你們也沒看過我們也沒看過全世界都沒看過但是行政院說我有版本他不拿給我們 |
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只拿去外面宣講這是一個負責任的政府嗎拿去外面宣講不願意拿給要投附議票同不同意的立法委員來參考認為立法院一定不會通過如果你們有好的版本為什麼不爭取大家的支持這才是問題啊次長我給你一個月的時間115年的預算怎麼編要如何編接下來我想問一下主計長 |
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我們接下去賴信德總統說我們被美國點名了我們要達到GDP3%的國防預算如果按照計算的話我們3%將近要8000億現在國防支出大概是6000多億所以還要再續編1500億左右請問會提出特別預算會提出相關的這個裁員來源嗎 |
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這個部分我們就要看國防部他那個什麼時候會提還不知道什麼時候要提因為有時候就是說我縱使要維持百分之三我也沒辦法每一年都打百分之三所以今年不知道第二個如果要提這多提了一千五百億的話請問要舉債嗎 |
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目前原則上我們先規劃說是用一個累積剩餘來做你現在稅制剩餘剩多少?你現在稅制剩餘只剩下一千多億了是嗎?我們目前 |
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113年是1581但是大概累積起來應該還有將近2000多億可以用2000多億可以用所以暫時不會舉債來編這個特別預算原則上希望不要舉債那如果非得舉債也是應該要舉債所以你同意我們現在大家都希望說超徵的金額要拿來補發現金那接下去又編了這麼多可能要新增的預算請問你這個 |
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掌握國家財政調度的主計長你這個要怎麼調配啊所以我們不希望說限定說哪些預算裡面限定哪些哪些是限定所以我們就可以按優先順序來做排列來做調整以上好所以現在財政部還有一個問題就是計劃性補助款是財政部在預算裡面很重要的調節所謂地方差異的狀況來時間暫停我請 |
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所以財政部的計劃性補助款就像剛剛陳玉珍委員問的會不會有類似剛剛上述所言因為財化法的修正而有這樣子的差別待遇財政部據我了解計劃型的預算不是我們財政部這邊所以各單位來負責希望不要有任何所謂的差別待遇好嗎 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員的資訊下面請王世堅委員發言 |
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我們11點50開始發送便當謝謝主席 我請陳組長 |
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主席 剛才新聞在我們質詢前你在回答前幾位委員的時候你等於就新聞做的解釋就是說大概就是確定要普發現金一萬元所以我不懂我們後續還要質詢你什麼我覺得那樣子的報導如果 |
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曲解了你的意思我認為你應該適度的澄清剛才幾家主流媒體都已經這樣報導了我希望你那麼如果啦我簡單講如果都要發現金那主席黨我現在就可以告訴你那乾脆三兆一千億就普發給兩千三百萬人民政府解算算了嘛不是嗎解算算了啊 |
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那不是全民皆大歡喜 可以這樣子嗎我跟你講 我認為啦推行有效率的政策才是還稅於民不是這樣嗎所以我今天跟你要求的第一點 |
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我要求你主計處你要有擔當不要再講一些不痛不癢的話不要認為說發發現金好啦這個也無傷大雅錯了要發現金可以 |
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那要特別條例而不是設在預算法去把整個預算法是把我們所有收入預算常態化耶你看過去 |
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蔡英文總統的時候發了幾次人家是因為有疫情疫後有特別條例也經過全民多數的民眾的民意不是這樣嗎那如果今天我們是要修預算法增加這個條例基本上常態化就是不對了嘛這一點你一定要堅持啊 |
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是所以我希望你有擔當擔起來而且最短時間內做出決策不要讓在這個事情讓大家政府也好民間也好心裡有疙瘩大家為了這個事情爭論不休 忐忑不安我認為不要這個樣子第二點我要告訴你的就是說倒是倒是我們要來 |
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這個推動有益的政策啦我認為應該編列特別條例特別預算來針對貼補台電貼補勞健保的缺口貼補長照基金這才是有意義的啊不是這樣嗎我舉勞保就好勞保預估2070年 |
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我們的基金總數將是餘額將是負的71.4兆那將就我們國家EDB的三倍天啊天啊 |
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所以這個貼補勞保健保這才是應當貼補台電這一次給他們台電一千億這樣免於電價漲價如果政府吸收一千億給台電那就是一千億如果政府不貼補不吸收放給民間去漲的話那就不會是一千億那會變成兩千億三千億的社會負擔所以這個 |
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非常要緊不是嗎還有我們長照基金啊長照基金哇也是一個非常大的缺口啦我相信你已經知道嘛長照基金去年的基金來源如果不付出啊去年基金來源776億結果實際 |
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支出高達828億今年你們預估基金來人752億但是用途支出更高達879億不是這樣嗎所以如果照這個預算的話那2028年長照基金就完全用完不是嗎所以我認為這些有意義的政策 |
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才是真的還稅於民這也是我們設政府的目的是不是那你的看法呢第一點我真的你剛才電視主流媒體普遍報導的說等於啊政府已經做了這個打算了大概現在正在作業當中八月左右完成大概九月要發這個部分你要先澄清啊你的看法呢 |
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其實我們原則上我們都是不支持他發放現金常態化依照發放現金他有特殊的目的所以以往都是訂特別條例然後之後通過之後才編列預算所以這個部分如果常態化的話他整個影響整個預算的一個執行的彈性所以我們原則上我們是不支持的對那所以你更正囉所謂的九月可能發放現金 |
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你的看法呢你要講得更明確一點啊我知道當然不支持啊常態化就我剛剛講嘛常態化無法保持政府對預算運用的彈性嘛我們會碰到很多社會經濟情勢的變化碰到重大的災情啊等等啊不是嗎疫情啊所以當然不要常態化這是一定的 |
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是但是你要針對我說你今天上午剛才被報導的這個啦九月講得很明九月就要發放現金你的看法呢 |
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不是 因為我們是說整個一個政策一個優先順序的排列必須由各部會來跟院長報告由院長來做裁示我們當時的部分是說這整個的一個政策是不是要列入政策還是那發放現金一萬元也是你們要跟院長報告的所謂政策之一囉你們決定的因為發放現金不是我們在負責主導但是他現在要修改一個預算法我們是認為我跟你講喔 |
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那個主技術還有幾項其實我就舉你們很多預估其實錯誤你們預估去年的GDP最早在前年底的時候你們最早預估的時候說3.35% |
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結果幾次修正以後有提高去年GDP多少4.59%跟你原始的預估差了一點多那我為什麼提這件事情那個主計處我為什麼提這個事情你說三減預算導致政府支出減少導致我們GDP可能下降但是那個差0點多而已所以我是要告訴你第一點我們政府現在財政部 |
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我先前質詢之後人家財政部已經積極去推動乙類公債要把我們在海外的授權資金引進回台灣加速台灣的公共建設第二點金管會也通過啦不動產證券化REACH |
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歷史這個已經條例也通過要這麼做 也是引進民間資金當有這兩大民間資金的來源進駐到 溢出到我們國內建設的時候我相信我們的GDP會更樂觀那更樂觀的結果 那我們就不必發現金不是嗎那是因為疫情導致GDP下降 |
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所以政府才發放現金嘛所以你講的這個預算去影響到GDP導致政府支出去下滑影響GDP第一個我認為那個為無期為第二個你的下滑運送的需要需要發現金了嘛不是嗎所以我希望主技術 |
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你不必做任何遮掩你不必為任何已經既定的方向不必你就據實以告好不好因為我看你的個性你也是一個很坦然的人啊我看你先前的做事也是這樣嘛 |
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我們就正大光明坦坦然然的面對事實證據還有數據我希望這個數據不要再那麼離譜可不可以你去看一下你前年底你就講3.35嘛 |
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你歷來一直修正結果最後4.59差了1.24這個不可謂不大那我希望在這個部分你收回今天早上如果我們這些媒體的報導是曲解的話我希望待會修會之後你就跟這些媒體溝通希望他們收回這樣子的報導因為事實上 |
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沒有這樣子的一回事說確定啦就是要發放啦就是已經作業中啦然後9月要發放這是給我們社會不必要的莫名其妙的額外的一種 |
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期待不必要這麼做好不好主計處的任務就是實話實說那精準的數據掌握跟分析然後忠實的向社會大眾報告然後做出應有的政府決策可不可以好不好主計長送你四個字啦認作 |
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道遠謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝王委員的質詢 下一位請李坤城委員質詢請謝謝主席主席長要先喝口水嗎不用 那就請主席長主席長請 |
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委員好主席好辛苦了這個我先提問的問題跟剛剛這個王世堅委員的提問是一樣的因為剛剛看到報導很多這個新聞媒體的標題都寫著說最快今年九月就可以領到普發現金一萬塊了他們說是從你的資料上面推估出來的你的資料上面有寫說115年度的中央政府總預算案將於本年的八月底前送大院審議 |
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那他是從這個推斷出來說全民最快可以到九月領到普發現金一萬塊還是剛剛你有回答了這個委員的質詢當中你有提到說最快九月可以領到現金一萬塊沒有 因為我是說這個政策的決定是要由院長來決定但是如果說這個部分預算法要把它 |
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修正為常態化來劃現金這個部分是不可行我們是建議不要如此來做所以主計總署的建議是說不希望發現金常態化所以對於等一下有可能會討論到的這個預算法的修正案主計總署的看法 主計長的看法咧 |
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因為他花現金常態化以後就失去了彈性而且花現金是針對特殊的一個目的所以我們都訂特別的條例來執行等特別條例通過以後我們才來編預算好那所以第一個主席是不支持這個運算法的這個修正案在議長所提的這個修正案就對了 |
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我們原則上是不希望這樣子來修正因為這樣修正讓我們以後的一個政策就比較執行就沒有彈性好那第二個也沒有所謂的九月之後就可以連到普發現金一萬塊 |
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我覺得這個要說明一下因為我看到很多媒體的標都寫成這樣子114年度的預算現在執行了我們不可能在9月發現金所以這個部分那再來另外如果115年的部分現在目前還沒有籌編預算還沒有籌編 |
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那我想你已經說得很清楚了也讓很多媒體更了解說這個主計長的說法是怎麼樣好 那我再請教一下主計長首先我先肯定你就是說我也鼓勵我們的內閣的閣員能夠下鄉去跟民眾把政策說清楚所以不論是這個主計長或是其他的內閣閣員 |
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在這個行政院有哪些政策需要跟民眾說得清楚那行政院因為有什麼樣的預算受到了刪減以至於呢沒辦法做到哪些事情哪些建設遇到了阻礙我都希望除了在立法院說明之外能夠下項去說清楚所以我是肯定這個主計長包含其他的內閣的閣員到這個 |
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下鄉去把這個政策說清楚我也歡迎3月30號我們在板橋下午2點又舉辦一個說明會主席長有空也歡迎主席長過來我們把這個政策把它說清楚那個請教一下這個總統在3月21號的時候已經公佈了這個總預算跟才化法了 |
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在公布之前那當然行政院有提出這個致愛難行的理由那不過很可惜副議案沒有過那您提出的這個行政院所提出來這個致愛難行的理由也包括第一個這一次的總運算並沒有這個最後並沒有這個宣告出來說這個三減數的金額跟稅數的總額沒有嘛對不對 |
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這過去都沒有嘛過去都會說你三減的金額是多少總三減金額是多少稅數總額是多少今年沒有沒有那這個還有一個自行調整的差了636億元嘛對不對那請問一下這636億怎麼辦 |
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所以這個部分我們要進行刪減部分這個部分是有困難的所以我們要整個要詢問給立法院來跟他報告說這個部分是不是可以進行協商或者是說我將來如果說要怎麼樣來做這個部分的一個刪減或者是刪減以後要將來如何追加這個部分都是需要協商的一個部分所以理論上 |
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這個立法委員審議預算覺得說哪個預算有問題這邊刪那邊刪,師出有名嘛那我看到其實那天在審討預算的時候我覺得說那所謂的這個自行調整有差了這636億我就不知道說讓你們要怎麼自行去做調整啊 |
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因為這個東西已經嚴重的限制到行政權力嘛對不對調整是有困難的所以如果真正刪減之後可能造成某一部分的執行或者業務執行非常的困難要刪誰的?請問要刪誰的?要刪交通部的?要刪內政部的?這沒有辦法去做決定嘛所以主席老師說這個會在行文給立法院 |
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要做這個636億要怎麼樣去做對 進行請立法院來協助那大概哪時候會行文到立法院大概近期就會發文了然後呢 因為治安難行嘛我看這個監察院他們已經致力救濟了他們預計要在今天提出這個釋憲跟暫時處分那請問一下行政院後續的救濟途徑 |
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原則上這個部分因為監察院呢它是有一些是3到0所以它有一些水電費啊相關的一個費用它支付有困難那所以這個部分呢因為事實上如果要等到6月份追加預算通過的話它還是時間太長所以我們在這當中我們就先會報請行政院來動之第二預備金來做支印那暫時支印到6月份然後等到追加預算如果有通過再行來把它補足 |
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所以現在這部分的話就是先用這個動資第二預備金就對了我們會報行政院來申請動資第二預備金這個流程然後再來會再辦理追加預算的一個部分目前行政院的救濟程序是這樣子 |
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另外一個救濟的一個途徑是怎麼樣這個部分我也必須要看行政院整個一個它一個研議的一個情形就你們的部分來講就是第二預備金那請問一下因為我看有很多的這個預算案的解凍的條件複雜度也蠻高難度也蠻高的說要用到這個凍結70%要執行30%之後才可以用那有些在委員會有些還要在院會 |
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請問一下主計總署這個有沒有這個刪除或凍結預算在這裡有我們凍結40%然後要用到剩下說就是等於說執行到這個部分才能夠去報請凍結那當中就有時間的落差那時候有一些業務就沒有辦法那你們可以提早送來立法院嗎因為我看很多委員他們現在或許有罷免的壓力了 |
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還沒有說我們沒有刪除只是凍結啊趕快送來立法院我們解凍就好啦報告委員院長有下令大概一個月內全部把凍結的案子報到立法院請求我希望你們各部會都把被凍結的預算送來立法院是 |
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這個雖然它有規定說你要用到多少才能報但是我認為緩不及急而且這個政策是有延續性的啊怎麼可能說我剛好用到30%最後再用70%不可能嘛希望在一個月之內把這些解凍案送來立法院我相信這個大家都可以看因為我看到很多國民黨的立委現在在這地方講沒有啊我們沒有刪除只是凍結啊好凍結那就來解凍看哪個委員不同意凍結嘛 |
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不要在這個地方上是說了一套在立法院就說的是另外一套好 那再請教一下這個 足跡總數預測今年的經濟成長率是3.14% |
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那中央銀行是下修啦到3.05%因為央行總裁是認為說這個美國經貿政策的不確定性有提高那我請問一下你比較樂觀也是3.14%但是如果凍結預算刪除預算對GDP有沒有影響 |
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有 有影響有什麼樣的影響就是因為我們本身一個如果資本性的一個支出被刪減了那將來投資就會減少那這個整個譬如說公共建設的部分減少那也會有影響那所以這個部分呢影響的雖然就是說等於說影響差不多0.15%左右啦 |
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那但是這個還有一個636這個部分我們是還沒有把它估進去那這個部分如果再估進去還是會有影響0.2到0.3左右那這個部分呢我們如果將來有再追加它就會回來如果沒有那就是會影響到GDP整個一個情形 |
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那所以本來是預估3.14%嘛那我看你比較樂觀但是呢如果是東扣西扣有被刪除的預算有被凍結的預算那還有636億不知道怎麼辦 |
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扣掉這些之後你還能樂觀的說能夠維持在3%以上嗎因為這個部分目前就是說原來那個美國的一個部分這個變動的因素也還沒有完全扣進去所以這個部分但是我們一二月的出口的狀況非常的好所以這個部分應該我們今年的一個經濟是穩定的成長的 |
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但是整個凍結跟刪除預算大概你這樣加一加大概會影響到幾%大概0.2到0.3左右0.2到0.3那扣掉的話就沒有3了啊保3就很難啊我們會盡量這個部分因為像出口部分是狀況即使是今年真的還不錯一二月都還不錯那再請教一下最後一個問題在野黨現在要砍掉2000億台電的補助對於CPI有沒有影響 |
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時間到了再三十秒讓主界長來回答一下就好了也是會有影響大概有可能如果這樣的話有可能會超過二啦不會超過二就對了謝謝李文的資訊下一位請顏光文資訊 |
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跟組織黨報告啊你不可以針對不同委員的答案不一樣啊我剛才問你的時候就講追加減預算PLUS第二億北京你都說不行結果對李坤誠你都說行怎麼會這樣子呢這點答案到底是行不行對不對你剛才面對我我執行你你就說不行這個不行那個不行通通不行李坤誠一來通通行 |
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我對陳哲和主席講 我對你是很尊重的怎麼會不同的委員 答案不一樣來源北側啊 到底行不行啊 對不對 通可以通可以一般委員講話 我是尊重的 我是不插嘴的但是因為你對李昆城的答案跟我的答案一模一樣的問題答案完全不一樣 |
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李昆賢就完全可以 賴思寶就完全不可以到底是怎麼樣 你是中華民國主席長啊 你不是民進黨主席長啊好不好 請沒有 我沒有執政你言論啦 我是執政他我不跟你 我尊重你講話好不好 我尊重你講話 |
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我當主席到現在 第一次插嘴這個是他的問題跟你沒有關係跟你沒有關係 你不要對他入座跟你沒有關係 OK不是 因為他對你的答案跟我你去吊錄音帶 因為問的問題完全一樣問的問題完全一樣結果他給了答案 說不可以給你答案就可以 好不好 我們繼續執行 繼續執行 |
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我國的整體經濟發展國人的努力是有目共睹的但是最近主計處 |
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把今年的經濟成長由原本預測的3.29%下修至3.14%然後說預算遭三減是重要的原因之一你還放話說如果日後追加預算不如預期還會再調降我在這邊要鄭重的跟主席總署說不要恐嚇人民無端的製造恐慌各大智庫最近都上修了我國的經濟成長 |
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你們自己公布的資料也顯示今年的經濟活力要比原本預測來得好民間消費 民間投資 出口等成長率全數上修那出口預測甚至比原預測多出了58億美金我們都有明白一個道理內需外貿成長都調升那經濟成長應該要上修哪裡會調降主計總署本次發布的經濟預測媒體的報導都落在 |
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三預算削弱成長動能 總預算遭三減 經濟難保三總預算遭三 主計總署下修今年經濟成長沒有人可以認同主委長 難道你要放任一個本應具有公信力的統計機關這樣子造謠恐嚇民眾嗎 |
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那我再問就是說你們這一次將經濟成長從3.29%下修到3.14%理由之一是總預算遭刪減那未來總預算的追加不如預測還會再調降我想要請你告訴我你們自己公布的數據上顯示民間消費還有這個 |
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民間投資出口上修民間投資出口等都比預測值也比原來多58億美金那民間投資方面國內外智庫也都上修了台灣的投資成長預測既然內需外貿都向上調整那請問經濟成長率為什麼不是向上而是向下主委長你說一下 |
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報告委員因為我們去年經濟成長的數字它已經墊高了所以你相對比較起來今年的數字就會下降那這是主要的因素啦當然預算影響是一點點墊高的時候我才說像人家央行它上個禮拜的這個禮監事會議它公佈的下修2025的經濟成長率為3.05它的理由是有點有據啊它有實際的說明說去年成長率優於預期嘛 |
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所以這個就是說他整個電高了機器電高了所以才會做這樣子下去你不是啊你把理由說成是總預算稍三減啦所以政府台灣的經濟發展是要靠政府來帶動政府的支出來帶動嗎是這樣子嗎所以我才說人家央行有直接把這些理由都說明清楚但是主席長 |
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我們這邊沒有嘛 對不對你甚至於說用這種方法來製造恐慌總預算遭刪除但是我們被刪除的總預算仍然是史上最高的規模啊大家都知道啊 對不對2.9兆之外再加上超徵的5200多億 |
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這個預算規模是有史以來最高的嘛但是你們對外發布的媒體的標題全部都是刪減這個預算削弱成長動能總預算遭刪減經濟難保三這些話都是你們放出來的啊不是嗎 主席長 |
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跟委員說明一下因為這個部分重點是說因為去年的經濟成長表現很良好所以整個基數墊高這是最主要的因素但是但是有人也問說你預算刪減有沒有影響我說也有影響也有影響嘛但是影響的數值不是那麼的大是比較小的是這樣但是這樣子的話我大概把它還原原來的一個這個 |
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這個說明的一個方向這樣子所以我們要據實告訴我們的民眾不是用這樣子的就一個放話的方式然後用影射的方式把整個理由都把它說成是總預算照刪減那我們現在是有史以來最高規模的總預算政府為什麼沒辦法做事情當初我們賴總統在當行政院長的時候總預算也才不到兩兆啊 |
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現在接近三兆 |
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為什麼說政府沒有辦法運作那這個部分我也說明因為我們增加2,806億這個部分主要是增加在公共建設增加在補助健保這些等等那我們刪減是集中在某一些機關的特定業務項目譬如說它的業務費或者是說某一些機關它被刪減到零那等於說它完全沒有經費可以執行所以這個部分才會有執行的困難 |
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我們這個主義處把它寫成這些原因經濟成長下修的這些預測然後把它理由推到總預算遭刪減所以你們的意思就是說經濟成長是靠政府花錢來撐不要把人民當笨蛋好不好不要把人民當笨蛋不要忽略國人對我國經濟的努力還有付出好不好主委長你請回主席有請財政部 |
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財政部阮政次阮市長請委員好市長因為台灣經濟表現超乎預期那稅收超增所以要還稅於民普發現金讓全民共享經濟成果減輕民眾負擔穩定民生物價這是112年 |
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普發現金六千元的時候當時的行政院長蘇貞昌說的普發現金的理由那我要請教市長因為部長沒有來嘛那一樣的我要請教市長說我們要不要把這些經濟成果來分享給我們的民眾能不能全民共享要不要普發 |
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我跟委員報告就是說今年的狀況跟111年的狀況是不太一樣那100就是就113年的預算來講那麼時增數超過預算數是3700多億嘛那我們事實上我們也用來這個先還減少舉債跟先還債那今年也是一樣嗎那時增數超過5283億啊 |
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對 但是那時候的金額比較大而且那時候是有疫情的問題那這一次為什麼112年的時候可以全民分享這樣的經濟成果但是到了現在因為物價房租萬物齊長的情況之下民眾的負擔越來越大但是財政部的態度卻是物是人非金非喜彼為什麼 |
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我跟委員報告我們現在的財政狀況雖然是我們的稅收雖然是時增數超過預算數但是這不表示我們財政是有剩餘我跟委員報告從101年到去到112年為止只有3年 |
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有財政的剩餘一點點的剩餘其他全部都是赤字所以如果是照目前提到的這些修法案達到一定的門檻以後 |
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就一定要發的話我這邊的資料103年到112年稅客收入10增進而達到總預算編列9次其中達成率110%以上的有4個年度將這筆超增稅收普發給全體國民有助於緩解民生的負擔那去年超增的部分5283 5千多億扣除還本之後還有剩餘 |
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對不對那還有剩餘的話為什麼112年可以共享這種經濟成果為什麼今年就不行那行政院行政院主任長也表示要將普發現金列入討論要列入討論喔所以財政部難道要跟他唱反調嗎 |
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因為其實我們 我剛才講就是說就111年度那一年的財政的剩餘達到3500多億那在113年的財政剩餘大概不到他的一半 |
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所以另外一個就是說,114年那時候有疫情的問題所以那時候是因為經濟表現不錯,所以在財政也可以所以那時候才會有普發現金,再加上其他的一些振興的措施 |
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政府的財源來自於人民當人民生活困難而我們經濟成長又帶來了超額的稅收理當讓人民共享這樣的經濟成果不該僅用說我們預備未來的未知支出用這個理由來 |
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把它掩蓋掉那普發現金這也是多數人而且政府現在我們行政院院長也將列入討論所以我想請教財政部支不支持我們財政部是這樣我們負責這個稅入的籌措至於說有關的稅數這部分比如說剛才講的 |
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我們就是列入稅計剩餘那一部分要怎麼運用稅收是來自全民的貢獻所以應該要優先考量全民的利益做普發現金讓經濟成長真正匯集到每一位國民有關稅計剩餘那一部分我們是覺得說要有主管器官那麼依照施政的優先順序來做好 謝謝鄧議員的執行下面請楊瓊英委員執行 請 |
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謝謝主席 楊群發言 邀請主席長陳主席 請 |
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13633.175 |
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我們根據主計總書的資料顯示在2024年全年的消費者物價指數CPI是達到2.18%而且也連續三年突破了2%的通膨警戒線在2025年1月份的CPI更告訴我們是高達2.66%顯示國內的民生經濟能受通膨的衝擊 |
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我們又再看到財政部的統計資料去年全國稅收時增的金額是達到3,7619億較原先的超增數有超增了5,283億是歷年最高的超收紀錄所以在這邊請教超增的稅收 |
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主席長,是不是應該要普發現金,還稅漁民呢?請做說明跟委員報告一下,這個5283分到中央的部分是3757那你還累積之前前三年,4000多、4000多、5000多多少? |
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沒有,因為114年我們的累積剩餘有部分去支援支印那個特別預算的一個億後的一個特別預算有3900多億所以我們去年在114年度的時候他的剩餘是剩下158億那158億再加上今年的一些剩餘的話目前大概剩下是差不多2000多億那這個部分呢我們也是以這個整個來看的話 |
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5283去扣掉那個變成3753他3753的部分今年的一個情況主要是因為我們本來要舉債的部分因為他有現金多收入所以就沒有去舉債第二個我們又還本所以本身在113年度他才剩下1500多在四年前我們問你們 |
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你們都說超徵的稅收你要去還債第二年再超徵你也說要去還債第三年超收的稅徵你也說是要還債但是累進起來不到一成的還債 |
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所以人民在通膨的指數一直增加的情況之下人就希望還稅於民你要慎重的考慮因為現在通膨非常的嚴肅所以在這樣的情況之下我們希望能夠直接受惠人民讓人民有感這是非常的重要所以本期希望的也就是目前為止我們人民的生活你看物價起漲 |
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13824.02 |
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房貸沉重人民的生活壓力這麼這麼的大所以還稅移民是很重要的民主的觀念所以我希望本席希望主席長你審慎考慮之這是人民的民意新生那接下來本席要請教主席長2月26號的時候呢我們發布了經濟的成長率是3.14% |
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那我們從歷年的支出來看今年政府投資成長率是達到6.3%是六年來次高也是過去十年來平均成長數3%的兩倍 |
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政府在消費成長率是2.9%也比過去10年平均值的2.2%來得高所以今年政府的消費與政府投資的對經濟成長的貢獻是0.58百分比那這個比例也是近10年來的第四高顯見中央政府總預算不僅沒有拖累今年的經濟成長 |
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13896.751 |
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仍舊有不小的一個貢獻仍舊有不小的貢獻所以本席要請教主席長聯合國2014年大會的決議他決議說政府統計十大的準則最重要的是什麼是獨立性對不對主席長對是獨立性嘛所以主席長你有堅守 |
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13898.531 |
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13912.544 |
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獨立性 捍衛組織處的公信力嗎請說明是 我們一向都是依法辦事那這個部分如果說是今年3.14我們修正本來是3.29但是修正為3.14是因為去年113年度它整個基期墊高 |
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他本身本來也是4.26後來墊高到4.59所以墊高了之後才修正往下剛剛我本席也將你們自己所提出的數據很清楚的告訴你他是累進來我們都還是成長雖然你這個下修差了0.15%對不對所以我還是要請你公正性跟獨立性務必要堅守最後一分鐘給我 |
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我這個馬上給他就好了謝謝我在這邊我要請沈記長不要了 這個下一次好了我工作給他就好了沈記長 謝謝你站那裡聽就好了你站那裡聽就好了因為我們今天還要討論案子一分鐘就好了 不要不要就這樣 站那裡聽就好了謝謝好 謝謝下一位請張其蓋委員執行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
兩位好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
你們現在行政院下鄉的宣講現在連演都不演了本來說明總預算現在變成什麼都在推動大罷免王一川在高歌推動大罷免我看大半時間都在推大罷免你們怎麼用人民的納稅錢去辦民進黨的大罷免呢這符合預算的規定嗎 |
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來來來我先問一下你們現在下鄉用哪一個科目 用掉多少錢我們沒有 我也沒有請司機載我們都自己坐車啊我們都沒有用我們沒有用行政院的錢啦 沒有沒有用行政業績沒有用行政業績你看來 我給你看那張圖這個上面有多少是行政部門的人你看一下在那裡一張畫你啊 |
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14062.788 |
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14089.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
陳金德啊 陸委會主委彭隨正啊你出門沒有維安人員嗎沒有司機嗎 沒有交通費嗎沒有發行政部門的這個錢嗎我前天看你還上台講話你的談餐誰寫的民進黨給你寫的 還是你的幕僚給你寫的民進黨還提供你談餐嗎沒有 這我自己寫的 |
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14091.653 |
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14118.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
喔 主席長會貪財自己寫這不是謊話 就是真的是一個很親民的主席長人民會判斷 會判斷啦今天我的執行重點是不要拿人民的納稅錢去辦民進黨的這個大罷免民進黨你要大罷免你有自己的錢啊不要寄生在行政部門主席長 你們部會首長責任很重大你們有很多事情要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
14119.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14137.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
你如果說下鄉去當初我們在討論這個事情了專稅改專稅改你們不只創了中華民國的這個首例也是全世界的首例國會跟立法院本來就監督行政部門預算啊結果你們現在反過來下鄉去 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
14139.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14159.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
這全世界大概是世界奇蹟行政部門在監督立法院 國會議員審查預算 還大造謠這已經變成一個世界奇蹟了現在更嚴重的你們大半的時間上去的人都在講大罷免你沒有發現在整個社會被你們搞得對立整個台灣現在是失業了嗎?蘇貝丁 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
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14187.977 |
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我們明確的要求,第一,我剛才跟你講一個第一重點,你們是國家的重臣,你們是要為國家謀福利的,你每分錢都是民脂民膏,你念就是我們的心碎喔,每分錢都非常重要喔,你不管是你的,你看議定要出來,你要出來,有多少維安人員要動,警察多少人要動,那個場合要動用到多少錢,那個都是國家的錢耶, |
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14190.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14200.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
所以不要又動用我們的資源人民的納稅錢包括剛才剛才說的行政院長或者是每個部委首長去你們談判當然是你的幕僚寫的啊來我來請教新規定來新規定啊這種議審這種議審夠得了你審計部嗎這說明總預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
那去推動這個大罷免,這些人這花的錢,每分錢,夠得讓你審計部嗎?剛剛主計長講,每個人都是自己付的費用如果是公家的,我們會了解一下,大概他的這個工作是屬於黨的工作,還是屬於公務的工作,我們會做一個了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
所以到時候你要清清楚楚 要查清楚喔到底是用他們自己的錢 還是用公家的錢第二個我剛講更直接了你光是出去維安的人臉那個人事費跟那些動用的錢不是我們人民的民脂民膏嗎 我這有清楚嗎為了你推動大罷免你說你自己沒錢錢出來 老實講我是我剛講的 光是談餐這部分光是維安人臉 這個怎麼不是動用到我們人民的錢好不好 另外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
現在你們在推動這個大罷免大概用到人民的這個納稅錢多少那個錢要從哪邊來 預算科目是什麼要從哪邊去找這個錢出來讓他們辦這個大罷免 |
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報告委員齁 我沒有推動大罷免我只是針對我的政策做宣講而已其他我都沒有涉及我講到時候要投票啦現在中選會應該沒有這筆錢嘛 對不對本來編的沒有這一筆嘛 對不對這筆錢要出他目前沒有提出來啦對啊 成案以後要開始要投票要出錢第二億八千對不對這個部分到時候再看來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
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我們到時候再來看 看他的主委長你有責任啦 至少他可能要12億啊 那個是第二億倍金喔 那是我們救命錢喔好不好 所以當然最理想了以娼生為戀 趕快踩煞車 不要再推這個違法而且造成人民的納稅錢被亂花的這個大罷免謝謝現在請吳世耀委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
謝謝主席有請主席長也請財政部的阮次長陳主席長以及阮次長請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
委員好我也想分享我的觀點給剛剛質詢的張綺凱委員聽再次澄清 再次說明向投家報告宣講的行程是民進黨中央所舉辦沒有動用到半分半毫的民脂民膏主計長您下鄉您也是交通費這我們都是行政院再交代也對外澄清再澄清沒有動用到任何的公帑 對不對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
我都沒有我都自己坐車坐捷運我都沒有坐請司機來載是所以這要再次澄清已經澄清多次了還是有委員要在這裡造謠第二個立法委員的薪水向誰領的也是國庫嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
立法委員的助理是誰聘的也是國家嘛立法委員的談餐張其凱委員站在這裡質詢我也不曉得您的談餐也應當是受惠於您的研究團隊嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
所以呢這個刮別人鬍子之前先刮刮自己的如果立法委員的薪水來自於民脂民膏但是卻在做很多不符合國家需求的事我們真的要深自檢討好我回到今天的主題沒有人在講大罷免我們在講法案 |
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今天教委所排的是預算法八十一條但是同時要並案思考的是國民黨團另外也提出了一個普發現金的特別條例在經濟委員會主審我要說還稅移民是假議題稅收超出預期是拼經濟有成而拼經濟有成的經濟發展的紅利全民共享每一分每一毫都取之於民用之於民下業 |
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因為拼經濟有成才能夠超收所以在野黨的委員做很多的批判之前我也希望能夠合理評價讓全民在這幾年民進黨執政的這幾年大家在疫情之後我們挺過了我們拿出拼經濟的好成績這是全國人民共同的努力如果要說要批判超徵的這件事情真的要給予合理評價 |
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吳思耀的主張三件事要做任何的特別條例的立法或是預算法的修法不要再違憲了立法委員不得為增加支出之提議當然對於指定支出也有待商榷所以在憲法預算法財政紀律法的規範之下我們真的不要再違憲了有這個疑慮 |
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第二個我非常支持財政部說的你們要善用科學的方法要精進稅收估測的作為要組成一個專案小組現在是不是在進行有這個強化估測就能夠更確保未來在估稅入的時候更為精確這是solution建設性的solution還有 |
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如果真的是拼經濟成績超乎預期的稅收超徵的話優先用於弱勢所用擴大國家需求的建設而普發現金不應當常態化這是吳思瑤的三點主張不要再違憲然後我們要強化估測的科學方法然後經濟發展的果實全民共享請問兩位都同意吧 |
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好 那進入我的下一頁有四個錯 討論公共政策要本於事實在業黨委員所說的第一錯 還稅愚民就是我剛剛說為什麼是假議題這幾年來 就以2025年眾所說我們的減稅新制會增加到208戶適用免稅 我們減壓減稅 對不對 |
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第二個稅收超出預期不是全部都是中央所拿喔在野黨委員提的5283億這個數字他沒有扣除地方沒有扣除指定用途第三錯稅收超出預期不等於總預算的剩餘數這個是基本的嘛為什麼在野黨委員都還要持續帶錯的方向呢因為要優先用於減少舉債或還債第四錯年度剩餘需要經過決算的程序 |
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而不是現在就可以來判準我這四點說法是不是都符合真實符合我們的預算運作的法規兩位 |
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好謝謝我時間有限下一頁我就講這一個還稅愚民這幾年來我們優化稅制更公平為民眾來減稅減負擔尤其是年輕的家庭以單身上班族的所得未達44.6萬免繳稅這是新制史上新高 |
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雙興家庭年所得未達89.2萬元免繳稅史上新高雙興育有二名幼兒所得未達146.1萬元史上新高我換言之我要說環稅漁民就是我們做的減稅措施我們希望未來的任何的超收 |
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或者是稅收超出預期普發現金的常態化萬萬不可因為今天時間非常短好 謝謝主席我們後續再討論但是不要再落袋方向也不要再違憲了謝謝謝謝 下面請羅民財委員發言 請來 主席各位主席各位請主席長請主席長請 |
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主席長委員好你好現在民眾啊都在嗷嗷待哺啊每個人哭哈哈那如果說你領到一萬塊你一萬塊你要準備怎麼使用一萬塊一萬塊如果你領到一萬塊你準備怎麼使用一萬塊啊 |
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現在因為經濟不景氣很多的小朋友一般家裡要是有兩個小孩兩個小朋友剛好一人一萬就兩萬還有家庭現在的負擔很重爸爸媽媽帶著幼稚園小孩小學一年級的爸爸一萬媽媽一萬加起來四萬 |
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不無小補啊因為現在物價飆漲啊竹雞養你知道蘿蔔飯現在也起價了我那天去買香蕉啊你猜猜看一根香蕉多少錢香蕉有漲價因為香蕉最近因為它那個颱風的影響所以它產量少反正就是也是要吃水果嘛一根香蕉多少錢你知不知道我記得它十幾塊十幾塊十幾塊 |
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十幾塊,我要買香蕉一年要七十塊當然是seven的啦但是就是民眾喘不過氣來啦我剛剛講說小孩也需要這一萬塊啊大人也需要啊還有一些老人啊也需要啊每個人都需要,你也沒有去做過民意調查 |
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不需要的有幾%這個我沒有做那我幫你隨便做一下現場覺得不需要普發獻祭一萬的請舉手你看每個人都覺得需要啊主祭場真的很需要一人發一萬快樂常相伴一人發一萬人人有希望 |
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這不是很好的一件事嗎你來看看台電這幾年三年四年的時間你們撥給台電多少錢三千多億三千多億你們撥三千多億有經過誰的同意嗎有他有經過預算每一筆都有經過預算嗎有好那你們現在還有一個要撥補準備撥補多少錢 |
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最佳1000億,114年1000億被刪減掉了那你的意思是說,那撥了這1000億以後如果你敢在這裡保證以後台電不需要再撥補不要再來砍人民的錢那我可能考慮讓你通過喔可是你能答應我嗎 |
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給了一千億後面還有一千億一千億又再一千億 再一千億坦白講大家都覺得不如意啊所以今天我們看到去年的稅收超徵了五千多億年年都有稅收超徵與其用到其他的地方 |
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倒不如給民間一點小確幸一點小溫暖主席長你出去有沒有聽到這樣的聲音沒有沒有聽到我現在說給你聽我天天在外面聽到很多聲音我把第一線的聲音告訴你很多人需要這一萬塊 |
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特別是爸爸媽媽失業的這些小朋友一聽到說大人有一萬小孩有沒有 主計長上次普發現金小朋友有沒有領到錢你沒有小朋友嗎請問小朋友可不可以領到一萬塊 |
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有啦,上次領六千嘛所以說,大人有份,小孩也有份,大部分沒什麼份啦每一個只要中華民國國民剛剛出生的小朋友有沒有一萬塊?也是有啊所以我們不是都一直要鼓勵大家多多生產報國嗎?現在生育率又下降 |
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你讓這些年輕人他願意生嘛生了至少多少奶粉錢多少補貼一萬塊嘛所以主計長這個一萬塊對你來講可能你覺得不怎麼樣可是我出去大家都很想說因為電價又要再漲了主計長電價會不會漲油 電 水 氣水價會不會漲 |
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這個他們都還在討論當中啦萬一漲怎麼辦因為台水它也很久都二十幾年都沒有漲是啊所以你水漲嘛電也漲兩個漲了以後帶動萬物飆漲你能不能給一點老百姓一點好的消息就是普發現金一萬啊 |
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今年來得及吧我記得上次討論那個六千塊普發現金的時候也沒幾個月就發下來了啊上次從討論定案到最後民眾拿到錢大概多少的時間 |
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一般發現金它大部分是有特殊的一個目的尤其是有特殊的狀況那上次發現金普發現金主要是因為經濟成長的一個狀況不好然後包括是疫後為了鼓勵大家消費所以這個部分才會有特別發現金那所以當初是用特別條例特別條例先經過立法院同意以後然後再 |
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去編列預算這樣子也是編列特別預算來做支應所以前後花了多少時間這至少因為五年嗎 有沒有有沒有那麼久至少要三個月以上對嘛 三個月嘛所以不是五年也不是三年兩年嘛你很快速度快一點的話大家都可以領到這筆錢啊政府給紅包也不是只有台灣給啊請問主計長 |
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新加坡有沒有給這個我倒是不是很清楚那有誰清楚主計總署有沒有一個人文武百官有沒有隨便一個人清楚的或者是可以代為回答的沒有關係有沒有香港也有啊你看你沒有回答記者都回答了啊 |
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香港有 新加坡有 澳門有 美國好像有吧很多地方都有啊所以 竹下你研究一下嘛 是好不好 因為這個是民生需要的 民生議題嘛你剛剛講的有它的道理 |
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那所有委員提出來也很有道理因為年年稅收都超增那你超增民眾本來就是很期待嘛那你物價又飆漲起碼吃滷肉飯漲那麼多的時候我一萬塊下來我還可以多一顆滷蛋啊真的啦主席你可能不了解民間疾苦 |
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我們出去跑第一線的時候 大家都很辛苦 熬熬待補就來談經濟成長率好了 去年的經濟成長率是多少4.59那所有民眾領的薪資 它的中位數是多少中位數以這個月宣布的部分是3萬8 |
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是,台灣現在已經出現一個M型化的社會其實主席長你可以清楚告訴大家國家的GDP真正的來源集中在哪一個產業一般是 |
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電子半導體其實那個部分就佔了大概百分之六、七十所以另外比較M型中下階的部分其實大家生活很辛苦的啊每個人都是知珠必寄所以拜託主計長你做做好事真的有很多的家庭啊就是需要這一萬塊 |
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家裡有四個人四萬 家裡有五個人就五萬而且 當家裡的老人長者領到一萬塊的時候年輕人也可以減少一些若干的負擔所以 主席講 接你你可以民意調查做一個民意調查 看看到底需不需要好 謝謝好 謝謝盧秉強委員的發言現在請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席 各位委員 有請主席長委員好主席長好 辛苦了這個是3月23號在花蓮的一個媒體就是這樣寫主席長 媒體就這樣寫 |
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主計長陳淑芝也都到場助長除強調中央被煽動的預算也要大家罷免國民黨立法院總召傅坤啟所以這個部分這是民進黨去辦的所以身為主計長你應該去評估 |
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你現在已經是成為中華民國的主席長第一個去參加政黨辦的一個宣講所以要審慎報告委員 我們是針對政策來宣講其他語言大部分我們也不會聽錯沒有錯 但是這個畢竟是一個政黨的場合我是建議你 |
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15418.115 |
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好 我們看今天的議題近年全國實增金額大於付稅預算的情形從2010年一直到2023年 尤其是這幾年都超增稅收 |
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所以今天特別審查這個預算法的修正,希望修法明定,法定付稅,收入實增數大於預算數三千億以上,政府應還稅一名,普發現金。 |
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15459.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
那如果這個法例通過以後就不必再這個還要去另外訂一個特別條例那到時候看要用最佳預算的方式還是什麼都很多的一個途徑所以這個部分呢希望這個政府部門主計總署和財政部能夠支持好我們看這個 |
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電價審議委員會最近要審議要漲電價大家都很擔心因為這幾年連續漲了四次但是事實上如果我們以總統府賴總統親自聘任的氣候變遷委員會副召集人童子賢 何秀董事長他說核電可以年省N個千億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15518.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
N個千億如果按照他的說法是15個千億所以這個部分是一個能源政策的問題所以主席總署也應該提供給台電提供給經濟部相關的這些意見所以這個部分到底我們很擔心呢人民都很擔心所以如果從法律面來看從法律面的話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
法例離島建設條例第十四條有規定撥補給台電因為省金輪、馬竹、澎湖離島、蘭嶼還有立島這些應該由政府、中央目的事業主管機關 |
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編列預算也就是經濟部應該編列預算撥補所以從這邊來去處理而不要再去漲漲電價到時候如果經濟部或是主席總書也可以去協調這個經濟部來照這個法例好我們接下來談這個原住民委員會編列的基本設施維持費跟主席講說明 |
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這個基本設施維持費是我在園民會服務的時候我去協調當時的主計總署行政院主計總署 |
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那時候是張俊雄當任行政院院長的時候要編列這個基本設施維持費謝謝當時的主計總署同意編列就開始編列了這個是一個最基本的原鄉很需要的所以它相關的經費額度都有 |
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已經114年度來講,編列了6億4千萬元。這個已經立法院通過了,沒有刪,也沒有凍結。現在為什麼要談這個呢?現在是不是要請主席長、主席總書要跟人民會講,不應該發這樣的文啊。 |
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去年的時候 大家都知道會行文給各縣市 鄉鎮你要先義為編列預算你要編多少 去年就已經分配了結果2月27號 延命會竟然發文給各鄉鎮各鄉鎮就覺得 延鄉就覺得很奇怪怎麼會被砍了50%啊 |
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事實上基本設施維持費第一個沒有刪減 |
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沒有凍結所以這個部分的協調主席總署趕快請主席總署趕快協調嚴密會發文好不好好謝謝主席長可以嗎這個部分是院長有發布院長有發布說是要凍結計劃型補助50%那這個部分是因為我們有一個3.636的這個部分所以這個部分我們是需要再協調這個部分到底是要怎麼三減是這樣子 |
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這個並沒有凍結並沒有差距好 謝謝 謝謝 謝謝施力修再說我們好了鄭振淺 鄭振淺 鄭振淺委員不在王國威 王國威 王國威 委員不在邱志偉 邱志偉 邱志偉 委員不在蔡奕宇 蔡奕宇 蔡奕宇 委員不在陳培宇 陳培宇 陳培宇 委員不在葉元之 委員請質詢 |
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主席好 麻煩請找主席長 謝謝陳主席 請委員好主席長 剛剛有聽您講就是說你預估我們的物價指數在不考慮水電漲的情況之下CPI是1.94%對不對是那如果水電漲之後你會預估多少 會破2%嗎 |
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大概原則上還有其他一些變動的因素如果一起考量大概可能會超過百分之二會超過百分之二超過百分之二的話就是大概一百塊平均漲兩塊的意思但是其實主委長我覺得一直講這個CPI我覺得很多人聽起來會很 |
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不是滋味為什麼呢因為實際上大部分的人都在外食嘛然後實際跟名聲有關的他的漲幅絕對不會只有2%啦我就舉一個今天才公告的一個大家很多有些人蠻喜歡吃的一個胖老爹胖老爹他今天公告他的人氣商品雞排從85塊要漲到100塊那這絕對就不是漲2%這漲多少了這漲15%以上了那雞腿54塊變60塊是漲一成以上 |
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所以實際上民眾一般面對的比較長的民生性的消費它的漲幅都不是2%2%是怎麼算出來的2%有時候會把一些那種電器啊3C產品啊算進來嘛那些東西本來是1900就會折舊折舊物價就會下跌嘛 |
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所以這樣的平均我覺得沒有辦法反映到人的真實的心理狀態啦那所以其實剛剛我聽到非常多的委員呼籲希望主席長也可以支持我們這一次我們稅收有超徵嘛另外我們也有一些預算把關的部分有刪減嘛把這個部分還稅於民一個人發一萬塊讓大家可以心理上面可以因應這個物價上漲我不知道主席長你願意支持嗎 |
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我跟委員報告剛剛談到所謂那個物價的問題因為我們總共物價有三百四十幾項在做調查然後比較民生物資比較相關就是重要的是七項那剛剛委員談到的大概就是所謂的外食會外食會的這個部是比較偏高的那再來就是主要是水果那水果是因為颱風的關係它會向上漲但是現在它已經下降了這樣然後元月份它是2.66 |
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二月份是1.58那重點元月份比較高是因為過年的時候因為你現在是還沒有把那個電價因素算進來電價因素還沒有放進來電價因素算進來的話那個漲的一定就更高了嘛一定就是而且很多東西都疊疊就是層層疊加上去啦 |
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是 因為電價也還在討論啦 還沒有被確認所以目前他二月份是1.58他就是要降價所以我只是要說這個物價的調漲絕對不會是像你想的那麼簡單一點多啦沒有啦 但是電價還有水價欸還有很多價錢欸 還有交通費用欸都算上去台鐵也要漲價所以很多加上去之後那個物價一定是會漲到不是你現在可以預估的狀況啦 |
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其實大家回過頭來都還是在講一件事情啦就是希望說能夠減輕我們消費者的負擔可以還稅於米一萬塊那第二個我跟組長請教一下因為之前卓院長有說因為行政院各部會有一些預算被凍結了所以要凍結地方的50%的補助那這個部分應該都是計劃型補助為主對不對 |
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原則上是計劃性補助為主那計劃性補助因為有很多計劃都是之前核定而且是分年逐步在做那你把那個凍結之後呢很可能會影響到他的計劃的推行其實這個對地方來說是影響很大那當然我覺得主委長你們的意思是說因為立法院凍結了我很多部會的30%啊我被凍結了我又不知道能不能解凍所以我當然就先凍結你地方啊你們的邏輯是這樣嘛 |
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不是啦委員我再跟你說明一下因為我們被刪減了939通案刪減那我們按照比例刪減之後刪減303那還有一個通案刪減636還沒有刪減那這個部分再刪減是有困難的所以這個部分因為沒有人去刪地方的建設的這個部分你們現在主要凍結地方的 |
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的原因都是因為你們有一些預算被凍結了你覺得既然中央沒有解凍那怎麼可以先撥給地方呢這個跟刪減無關啦因為沒有人去刪減這些東西啦主要都是凍結嘛那凍結可以解凍啊那現在我不知道說主想這邊為什麼有一些解凍你可以先做嘛 |
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當然有的你會講說因為有的部會被凍結30%我怎麼知道什麼時候會用到30%可是不是這樣啊前置作業可以先做啊就像總預算總預算你這八月送到立法院可是你三四月開始作業了嘛所以其實這件事情我相信啦如果說你的預算是用在補助地方 |
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大家不會去不願意解凍 一定很快就解凍了所以我希望說 主計長是不是可以趕快針對這個部分否則的話你會影響到地方建設的推行我們會把這種建議轉達好不好 好 謝謝謝謝月娥的質詢 下一位請徐心凌委員質詢 |
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主席本席請主記長主記長請主席主記長以及在座各位官員大家好我們今天不是在這裡爭論技術細節也不是討論一筆盈餘怎麼分我們要先問一個最根本的問題你們知不知道你們到底用的是誰的錢 |
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要對誰交代我們的執政黨說 人民是頭家用的是人民的錢 要對人民交代政府年年超徵稅收 人民卻無從分享 |
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稅制口頭喊著進步 但是操作卻接近壟斷所以接下來本席要就主席長 您在報告中提的七大說法我不知道是邏輯錯誤還是政治錯位還是您受了多大的壓力 我要一一來破解第一個 超增只是預估誤差 並非常態發生 |
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年年都有意外 那就不是意外 也不是例外它變成常態了我們有所謂的隨機誤差 系統誤差你這個已經變成連續四年的不是例外 是一個模式 它是系統誤差所以你預算長年的保守低估本席合理懷疑你是結構性的掩飾手法 |
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所以我們希望會後今天本席的諮詢你們要一一回應第二個即使超收仍要扣還本與短差政府未必有餘為何預算從未如實反映出這個支出和還本的結構 |
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為何超收必須要彌補過往的黑洞卻沒有看到你們向人民報賬人民多繳的是稅所以政府必須向人民交代這第二點第三個債務有還本機制無需再設還稅規定正因為還本有法源所以還稅更應該有制度啊 |
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我們目前沒有任何的超收返還的條文也沒有比例優先原則或者是用途的限制完全是行政部門想還就還不想就撐這是絕對不可以的所以如果預算照你們這樣做會變成行政權的口袋錢包 |
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所以預算如果不受立法的節制超收就會變成你們合法的掠奪這是第三點第四個 稅計等於虛代審計 尚未定案那誰說沒有定案就不能夠先設原則我們要的是建立制度性的比例機制審計確定後可以依法撥付啊 |
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如果遇到緊急情況 也可以訂定合理的調整條件所以主席長 這不是不能 是你們不想再來更離譜的 第五點並非年年有騰雲 所以不宜常態化處理所以難道因為並非年年有颱風所以我們就不需要立法防災嗎不用立防災法嗎 |
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所以正因為不是年年有,才更需要有制度的規範如果沒有制度的原則性安排,就沒有財政治理的永續性根基第六點,立法會限制財政彈性,無法因應變局 |
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彈性當然重要啊 但是你彈性凌駕原則那你的結果就是特別預算 特別氾濫還有國會監督邊緣化 在被你造謠 重傷 污衊 |
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那不能讓民意排除於財政決策之外 本席要再次提醒 人民是頭家你們用的是人民的納稅錢 所以你理應還稅於民 你理應向人民來報告所以我們不是要削弱行政的效率 我們是希望補強財政的正義 |
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最後第七點普發現金因靠特別條例不能制度化那我想請問為什麼企業減稅可以編常態預算科技國防追加可以進入年度預算人民退稅只能靠臨時條例嗎所以當人民退稅成為例外政府編偏財就會變成慣例就會變成慣例所以我們最後主張正義財政正義的 |
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五大理由 超徵因涉還稅機制不可任意支配建立透明計算與分配機制 還稅愚民法治化 減少政策的任意性財政不能靠施捨 財政是人民的權利歸還 |
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最後發現金不再只能是政治操作不然每逢選舉我們就出現了神秘盈餘最後強化國會預算跟決算的聯動 |
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設計預算決算對照條款國會對於超收資金運用具追蹤與再分配的權限最後我結論一下讓我們能夠推動一部真正屬於人民的預算法 |
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讓盈餘不只是口號是正義的回饋讓財政不只是表格與數字是政府與人民的契約信任請主計長您針對本席今天的破解能夠給我們報告一一回應 謝謝好 謝謝徐委員的質詢下一位請黃國昌黃國昌我們不在 |
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報告委員會 今日政績發言委員經已訓導完畢現在進行討論四項請議事人員宣讀今日審查預算法增訂八十一條之一條文草案等三案提案內容預計宣讀時間兩分鐘宣讀後以後我們就進行協商我們就休息五分鐘那同時宣讀 |
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宣讀本院委員擬拒預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案等三案委員王洪威等人提案第八十一條之一法定負稅收入時徵數大於預算數三千億元時除依第七十三條規定辦理外應優先辦理普發現金還稅與名委員林德福等人提案第八十一條之一 |
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法定負稅收入時徵數大於預算數10除依第73條規定辦理外應優先辦理以下事項並由行政院提出追加追減預算調整之一減少特別預算與中央政府總預算債務制局界二擴大照顧經濟或社會弱勢者三益助勞工保險基金公務員員退休撫恤基金國民年金保險基金全民健康保險基金 |
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前項優先辦理事項之追加追減預算金額或比例由主計總署令定之委員賴世保等人提案第八十一條之一法定稅入稅科收入全年時增數額達到當年度預算變劣數百分之一百二十十除依第七十三條規定辦理外應辦理普發現金宣讀完畢 |
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現在我又會報告跟本案無關的新陳觀念可以先行離席所以只留下主計總署跟財政部的觀念就可以了還有司法院長官要留下來因為有關於法律問題好 現在進行協商 |
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好 現在我們就請官員列席在這裡好不好 官員陳主席長 還有財政部的院次長 |
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稍等一下那個 輪廁長上廁所 稍等一下法務部留下來啦 法務部 |
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這個有點窒息 |
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稍等一下 因為廁場在廁所所以要這... |
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好 剛才我們勉勵的賴昭偉跟我指示說民進黨團就一位代表發言發言完畢由我們處理好不好可以的話我們就請看你要判哪一位來 請 |
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我們今天早上的質詢都有針對這個問題講本黨團非常清楚的表達我們反對這個修正案因為正確的做法不是這樣這個法律我們都認為有違憲的嫌疑很嚴重那這個預算的使用本院只有審議權沒有提案權你用立法的方式包裝這個預算的提案這是我們不能接受的所以我們本黨團反對講得很清楚 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 那我們國民黨團的一位委員代表 |
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在現在這個經濟環境民眾是苦哈哈啦那事實上全民都期待經濟成長共享成果就是普發現金那麼在過去的歷史裡面我們也看到有所謂的老農津貼等等等等很多主動權都是從立法院這邊來發起的所以這個是毫無疑慮啦就是端看 |
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政府有沒有辦法體恤人民的苦現在因為M型化的社會真的在基層很多人很多人對這個一萬塊的紅包是殷切期盼的不信的話你去做一個民意調查 |
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我大概這邊有一個調查的數字是超過百分之七十幾以上都是贊成政府如果有稅計剩餘有稅收超徵的時候是用來普發現金不是只有台灣有每個地方都 很多地方都有 |
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剛剛已經有人回答我說在新加坡也有在澳門、香港以及日本、美國幾個地方都有這樣的案例所以我們也希望這個是變成超正論化就常態化謝謝好 謝謝我們還是尊重行政院的長官主席長也請你講幾句話 來 |
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郭委員好 這個部分重點就是說它在預算法裡面增訂條文就是說應該要辦理普發現金或者應該要去做追加減項目的一些這個這樣子導致它整個一個條文的一個限制以後的一個 |
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政府政策一個那個彈性呢他就減少所以這個部分呢我們還是應該而且他第二個就是說他不是每一年都有剩餘所以這個部分我們還是希望說這個部分是不要再制定這樣增加制定這樣的一個內容以上好謝謝我們請財政部的蘭次長蘭長官請你發言 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好關於這個案子 我想就是說去年當然稅收是還不錯但是稅收好不表示說我們的財政就是好 |
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那我特別跟各位報告就是從101年到112年我們這十幾年只有三年是剩餘的而且剩餘只有一點點其他幾乎都是次制 |
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所以如果說要修正說大於就是說我們的時增數超過預算數3000億元以上或者是達到預算數百分之二十就要普發現金的話那沒有考慮到相關的財政的這個能量那我是擔心說到時候可能需要用舉債來合法這是一點 |
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另外可能就因為這個東西不是每年都有啦這個都是一種就是等於是去年剛好有這種稅收比較多的這種情況這個是估算的問題估算的問題它不是說真正有這樣的一個資源可以來發放做簡單說明好 謝謝市長就按照我們剛剛的協定就都不講話了我們就進行處理各位贊成 |
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這個我提一個就是本案全案保留因為大家意見不一樣朝委的意見跟行政部門都不一樣全案保留到院會去協商就這樣全案保留好不好我們要求你這個提案出來我們要求表決因為我們要留在議論裡面各位就你們團隊我們表決嘛好 那贊成我的提案的請舉手 |
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六位 我們會連秀反對我提案的舉手六位 六位 六位 六位記名清楚喔 有有有 記名清楚沒有沒有 你不能舉手你贊成的 反對一二三四五六 六位 六位反對六比六 按照議事規則主席這一票我投贊成 所以七比六我們全案 |
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保留送到送出委員會會議詢問啦拜託會議紀錄裡面誰贊成主席可以可以誰反對要負責每一個人的名字要寫要對整個會議負責好不好 |
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謝謝最後我講一句話各位可以要離開可以離開就是如果沒有到達百分之一百二就沒有這個問題沒有超過3000億也沒有這個問題所以各位這個題目很軟這個題目很軟沒有異性那個硬的在特別條例不在這裡沒有超過80%沒有超過3000億這個就不算數了就這樣子了好 三位 |
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好 報告委員會協商完畢 應請議事人員宣讀協商期論 |
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宣讀協商結論委員王宏輝等人委員林德福等人及委員賴世寶等人分別擬據預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案均保留送用會處理宣讀完畢好 各位有沒有異議沒有異議我們就照協商結論通過報告委員會 |
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預算法增訂第八十一條之一 條文草案等三案 並按審查完據 理據審查報告提報願為討論 願為討論前須交由動態協商 願為討論所有本席補充說明 請問各位對以上決議有異議 |
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每一位本月會議議程已進行完畢談論有不在場委員補題書面資料一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理另外另外很重要的 |
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民眾黨又跟我寫生過他們本來要提動議但是他們呢接受我的建議直接提案子在下個禮拜五會在這個禮拜五會到議會一讀之後進副法讀我們支持進副法讀所以所以最後我還沒了呢我還沒了呢等一下啦我還沒說呢 |
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所以跟各位報告就是我們在進行車外協商的時候會有民眾黨團的版本我特別宣告然後列入紀錄好不好除非民眾黨團不提版本你們提版本我們就列進來就是一起協商就是做這樣一個決定所以各位有沒有意見沒有意見我們就 |
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假如有不在場委員補題書面質詢一邊列入紀錄刊登公報並請醫事人員協助處理我們休息 謝謝 |