| IVOD_ID |
165376 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165376 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T10:28:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T10:41:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face8f4454bb89fdb904fa47f864c5dfb45a999b3dda7382768027a1751fd121cdf95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:08 - 10:41:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享：政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。） |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的中午金剛市長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生依序要請這幾位首長來接受質詢第一位是我們的陳祖濟長第二位是莊部長那麼第三位是衛福部的呂次長再來是勞動部的李次長然後經濟部的何次長 |
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以及國發會的高副主委那我問了我就請不再問了就請他們先回座休息好 那就請剛剛中委員要求的與會的次長還有副主委因為這樣可以節省時間我不用再秒數暫停高副主委 何市長 李市長好 李市長那麼陳主席長我們去年國人的經常性平均薪資跟中位數分別是多少 |
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九月是四萬八啦 一到九月是四萬七這是經常性的平均薪資那中位數呢中位數是三萬八那大家都很清楚知道平均薪資是全部的薪資的平均但是中位數意思說有一半的人的薪水不到三萬八但是平均薪水是在四萬八四萬七 |
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好那沒關係這不是重點重點是什麼重點是什麼叫做縮短所得差距怎麼樣減少相對的貧窮感假設說十年前我你還沒結束我十年前月領三萬 |
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我跟另外一位月領三萬十年後我領到了五萬我應該很開心吧超過我們運薪資啦但是另外那位跟我同時進來的呢他領到了十萬因為他進入了台積電的關聯產業他不是在那邊做晶片他可能幫他們工廠做維護我呢 漲了兩萬塊的薪水但是你覺得我有沒有相對的貧窮感他領十萬 我領五萬 |
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我只多了兩萬他多了七萬主席長知道原因了是那你認為這就是我們國人相對貧窮感的原因是是所得的增加因為產業別沒有平均的照顧到每個人好那麼接下來我要請教一下我們的請回請回請旅事長 |
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剛剛我們的委員 剛剛是李彥秀委員提到了我們的國民年金保險國保年金有200多萬人對不對請問他們平均每個月可以領多少錢報告委員我們現在目前有這個A4 B4還有另外大概是多少錢 |
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大概有四千上下吧大概四千四零九六那請問你知道目前年金在進行改革現階段的公教退休人員大概平均月領多少大概五萬八是教育人員五萬一是公務人員那你覺得同樣是退休人員退休生活所需要的基礎物質基礎差不多吧對沒錯那你覺得這樣會不會有相對的貧窮感 |
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包委員這個應該會造成不光相對貧窮感而且相對剝奪感相對剝奪感所以我們我很認同剛剛那個那個李燕秀委員所說的我們對於這208萬的國保年金的這個月薪月薪的 |
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年金的月領人我們覺得很辛苦謝謝請回來我們請勞動部次長所有人國民都應該有平等的保護謝謝所以衛福部支持讓所有的年金族都能夠有一個比較公平的年金制度來請問一下目前次長我們勞動人口勞保是不是1048萬48萬對不對這當中有多少人是受雇的可以有他雇主幫他勞退幫他提撥的 |
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受雇受雇者大概是854萬那目前有雇主幫他做勞退提撥的多少大概770多萬大概770萬請問這770萬雇主受雇者雇主幫他提撥勞退6%的有多少自己有自提1到6% |
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全部129萬但其中受僱勞工115萬好 所以非常少不到兩成所以相對的這些受僱的上班族有將近超過八成他自己沒有自行提撥為什麼你知道嗎 |
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你覺得什麼原因我們根據我們的數據大概就是比較低薪他覺得自己的薪水少嘛我才月領三萬 五萬我怎麼會去提呢那這些自提的是不是都是平均月薪資比較高的你們的統計大概九成左右都是比較高薪的對不對 月薪都很高好 謝謝請回好 現在我們要請教財政部長財政部長 |
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剛剛有李議員要問到說財化法現在是不是有行政院版即將推出會的 |
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裡面有沒有包括對16條之一公式的一些調整我們是重新規劃讓它在水平分配更為合理所以你行政院的版本未來會不會比現在這些受到16條之一公式錯誤影響這幾個縣市你們的版本有沒有讓未來這幾個縣市可以得到的統籌分配更多 |
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我们的公司会做一个合理的分配不合理的分配所以保证这几个受到这个16条之一受影响的县市他可以更得到更多的合理分配16条之一这样的一个分母的问题事实上每个县市或者问你行政院法以后会不会比只修16条之一你觉得更好 |
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當然好謝謝請回是來我們現在請那個還有經濟部跟國發會來那個先請經濟部次長來我們往下看今天我的主題來了很快的音樂時間有限往下看 |
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好來那個次長 何次長傳產是不是變成傳產在第二季電子業跟傳產是兩樣情是不是經濟部有沒有看到這個現象有嘛那你們哪些政策工具我們來看一下你們政策工具融資給他低利貸款給他還款斬鹽地租的減免租金的減免水電房租運費行銷費用你們都有補貼哪一個最有效 |
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第一個融資的部分你覺得第一個有效我告訴你通通有效但是通通都不夠用往下看四大基金能做什麼來四大基金高富主委四大基金能做什麼是不是這些穩健股市以基金投資收益來支持產業多元佈局執行各種策略投資是不是這樣子基金有他的運用的對那你瞭解他們目前持股是不是以半導體資通金融這個龍頭股為主 |
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我覺得他們會按照那個他在股市在那個我了解我了解大概是這樣的情況往下看那麼協助傳產有一個叫CITD這是經濟部負責對不對是不是說寫的製造業跟技術服務他上限是200萬研發是1000萬他目前呢補助上限低其實很短只有一年規模小是不是這樣子是那麼是從到90年到110年4655萬投入多少錢 |
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不到60億啊這是不是傳產可以得到的是不是 目前傳產可以得到嗎還有沒有其他傳產可以得到往下看來 產業製造基金有沒有這個東西這是誰負責的 |
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來 國發會你說你們怎麼進行產業再造基金我們有投資一個VC然後他是要協助那個傳產產業做轉型是不是創業投資事業可以申請我們沒有這個基金的名稱我們沒有這個基金只是有一個VC是不是以創業投資為主是好 那現在問題來了現在面臨轉型困境遇到了這個關稅衝擊的他不是要新創他不是要創業投資 他要轉型何市長是不是這樣子 |
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跟委員報告我們這一個我們投的這個VC不是火星創它是投資上市櫃公司裡面需要上市櫃公司更好目標是30億上市櫃公司何市長請你告訴高副主委我們的傳產有多少是在上市櫃何市長請說我們的中小企業你過去來自於中小企業的照顧的這個團體我們是不是幾成都是中小企業九成以上嗎大概九成八以上九成八 |
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高副主委2%的上市會可以得到委員我跟您報告我剛剛講的只是這一檔基金那我們國發基金非常多元的投資方式我後面就有來看一下國發基金投資的業務融資的業務其他業務有這麼多是不是是的沒有冤枉嘛都幫你寫出來你們這邊有個百億主題投資對他是包括資本支出的融資周轉的融資利息的補貼信用的保證有沒有 |
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這是融資業務對 都有嘛那你們福島轉型的對象就不限定上市貴了嘛對不對是 當然很好 就這樣往下看所以有沒有個天使創投目前國發基金有在對新創事業有這樣的一個基金對不對有 我們現在我們的額度增加到100億對 這是對新創嘛對新創嘛 傳產要轉型的看得到這不是對他的 對不對 |
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是另外的嗎對 另外的有好 往下看所以我認為新創產業需要天使基金國發已經準備好了傳統產業的轉型需要轉型投資資金何市長你同不同意 |
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跟委員報告 其實國際基金給經濟部的100億裡面我們其實也有做這方面的投資這方面 哪方面 傳產對不對轉型對不對 大概多少我們經濟部有製造業 有服務業 也有中小企業總共有300億我告訴你 現在傳產分兩種 私私有兩種 |
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傳傳有的他真的是老闆說我要收起來為什麼 坐不下去了可能我是連特登連我的用地都不是符合的我要去特登特登要輔導我我看關稅衝擊我坐不下去了我們有沒有輔導退場會不會 |
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福島退場之後 勞動部 衛護部要接手啊要照顧所有人家的勞工啊但是另外有一些 他不是沒有競爭力他只是撐不過去這個延東他已經看準了未來的市場投資佈局 買了機器 擴充了土地 借了錢現在美國市場既有手上的訂單縮減了未來的訂單還在努力市長換成是你 你會怎麼辦 |
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把新買的廠房賣掉先還新界的錢把員工就叫他們回家吃自己你覺得要面臨轉型的企業主他會這樣做嗎 |
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如果是你你會這樣做嗎跟委員報告其實員工是企業最重要的資產一般來講企業主基本上都船產顧了200到300萬嘛是其實企業主當然珍惜他的員工嘛對10年20年縱使是二三十人的船產都有二三十個家庭靠他照顧對不對所以這些船產的企業主需要什麼需要經濟部跟國發的支持往下看 |
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是不是我可以來請經濟部跟國外思考一下我們在國發基金給傳產的部分現有的投資有生物科技文化創意半導體航太未來如果傳產部分如果有是投資而非借貸投資而非借貸政府來參與請問兩位請問高副主委你認為這樣的方向符不符合我們支持傳統中小企業來轉型 |
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我們國發基金其實一直以來都用不同的管道支持傳產的轉型升級那譬如說我們剛剛講到次長講到了我們匡列一個三個百億基金還有我們很多的VC還有直投我們都支持傳統產業轉型升級 |
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好我們看一下很快的30秒回顧一下下一頁台積電成立初期我們開發基金的投資方式現在台積電我們政府的持股就成為我們國發基金協助其他新創產業的一個基礎往下看所以隱形冠軍遭遇寒冬產值減少訂單不配看他借不到錢市長要不要支持這些隱形冠軍渡過難關 |
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當然要好 高副主委我們是不是比照我們護國神山來守護傳產的隱形冠軍要不要 |
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我們一直都在這樣做所以最後兩個要求請看我就不再重述主席站起來了希望我們國發會跟經濟部攜手幫助這些不是上市櫃中小企業占我們九成八的中小企業當中有未來競爭轉型能力的協助他們度過寒冬用你們手中的政策工具增加在我們傳產中小企業的身上好不好好謝謝兩位謝謝主席謝謝總委員接下來我們請王世堅委員 |