| IVOD_ID |
165371 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165371 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T09:51:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T10:01:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face24b6bf88274d55f763fe2012470c7542999b3dda7382768086cf5dcbc0b7422b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:37 - 10:01:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席本席邀請我們工程會陳建德主委請陳主委主委長 主委過去工程會可能是一個比較不受到大家重視的一個單位甚至前幾年都還有提出那種聲音說要裁撤工程會 |
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但是剛好這幾年台灣發生一連串的極端汽油的災害我有特別看到凸顯出工程會的重要性看看我們丹利斯颱風還有728豪雨的重建特別條例其實中央主管機關救災的主管機關重建特別條例的主管機關都是我們工程會 |
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所以可見在這幾次的災後重建最重要的單位指揮就是我們工程會那我也感謝我們陳主委在台南的丹納斯颱風 |
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救災的時候成立的前進指揮所主委你是擔任指揮官那開始讓整個救災那個效率啦快速的一個提升只不過有一點可惜啦我曾經在總支局的時候也跟行政院提過這一點 |
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7月7號台南那個成災當然是颱風但7月30號才成立了前進指揮所那主委才進駐成為指揮官等於已經經過了三個禮拜所以下次如果萬一有發生不幸的這種災害其實應變的效率非常重要 |
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那其中我們可以看到不只是台南的丹納斯風災零四零三的地震還有這次花蓮艷澀湖災後重建工程會都是主管機關所以可見作為災後復建的統籌單位我也在這裡也希望我們工程會同仁各位可以了解到其實如果不幸的遇到這種傷害我們工程會其實責任是非常重大 |
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那我也提一點給主委當參考當特別條例裡面它有規範很多種其中有一種第九條它有特別提到主管機關應該要設立資訊網站專區這個也是我在質詢莊榮泰院長的時候我記得主委應該有注意到我也要求行政院當資訊那麼混亂 |
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如果說很多災民或者是相關協助的民間單位或者在救災的需求或重建的需求那我們去哪裡找相關的資訊整合啦所以需要一個官網其實特別條例裡面有寫得很清楚第九條規範主管機關要設立一個官網 |
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那應該就是工程會那工程會有沒有設立啊我舉丹納斯颱風給主委當參考我們去Google一下我設一個我Google寫丹納斯專區啦又跑出了這幾個網站主委你可以一眼看出我們工程會的官網是哪一個嗎第一個你看經濟部的內政部的台南市政府的你搜尋出來的結果啊都看得很清楚 |
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你很難直接一眼就找到我們工程會設立的那個所謂官網其實這個官網應該才是最重要的你寫一個PCC |
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這個其實一般人你沒有點進去不會知道這個就是我們工程會統籌設立的一個官方網站我提這一點也給我們相關負責的工程會的主管你要了解到在迫切需要資訊以及資訊混亂的時候你要寫清楚一點讓大家可以一眼就看到這個是工程會的 |
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那我可以進去裡面找到我要的資訊那除了這樣的以外啊那網站的內容是否有整合就一般大家需要的不管你是協助救災的或者是災民的需求等等我給主委當參考主委你大概有看到了另外前一陣子我們主委我們工程會有表揚協助救災的290家廠商 |
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並且納入了採購CSR指標我覺得這個非常好因為這一次我們有幾個過去從來沒有的創新的做法第一次有使用政府煤油廠商來進廠修繕這樣的一個做法甚至暫停了公共工程讓工班進入到災區未來這次有協助的而且得獎的 |
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這個其實某種程度他們配合度也高我們也感謝他們所以你工程會才頒獎對不對這個其實就是我們的救災國家隊像台南這次的災區那麼大 |
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我們也需要說 讓災民了解當我有需求的時候 我去哪裡找到這些好的廠商因為那個時候 第一個欠缺工 欠缺人所以我們這290家廠商 是不是可以再分類讓有需求的 因為有些災區的房子 其實還沒弄好 |
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剛剛也有幾位委員來詢問主委其實還沒有蓋好的災區的房子有很多種有的是災民他沒有經濟能力有的是根本沒有住人他不一定有意願要重建或者是修繕 |
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或者是有些有產權的問題等等 我不知道但是第一時間要公告這些廠商優良廠商的白名單是不是也給主委當參考主委對這些對這樣的一個做法我們再次的感謝工程會在台南這次風災的一個協助主委有意見嗎 |
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謝謝委員的指導關於那個網站更清楚一點我們會來立即來改善那這次很謝謝那麼多廠商親手而且很多都是大廠商那我們就感謝他們能夠放下手頭的工作來進行修繕所以我們這個挑了200指示價有分特優跟優特優跟優他 |
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我們這個感謝狀它將來可以作為它城南公共工程去投標的時候如果是評選的標評選的這個方式那麼可以在企業社會責任CSA這邊可以額外再加分那這個加分就很重要謝謝委員一直這個來協助公共懲惡委員來針對台南甲乙雲林等這個災後重建工作 |
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好 謝謝主委最後時間我再跟主委討論一個事情就是我們所謂的綠色採購因為總統府幾天前總統府在半年前有召開第四次國家汽油變遷的委員會他有提到2030年我們的綠色採購目標要提升到10% |
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裡面也有委員提出我們現在是不是就應該要訂出2030年公共工程的一些綠色採購的項目和標準例如有綠色鋼鐵 綠色水泥因為2030年綠色採購達到10%目前我請環境部算給我這環境部計算給我的數字我們的綠色採購到去年只有3.4% |
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只有3.4%那你2030年要達到10%那可見距離目標大概還有還有幾倍的路程要努力但是我看到我們現在訂的環境部本身他訂的所謂綠色採購他又有很多項目其實是非指定採購 |
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542.58 |
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比如減碳建材如果你公共工程減碳建材不是一定要採購那你如何達成綠色採購目標這樣是不是有矛盾那是不是這樣的所謂的一定要指定要採購的建材那這個那這個表是不是這種做法是不是要做檢討來請主委一下 |
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544.864 |
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那報告委員因為利受採購的主管機關是環境部不過在政府採購法裡面有相關的條文就是說如果你採購機關為了因應一些環境保護措施減碳節能等等等你還是可以這個設立一些規範 |
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作為你採購的這樣的你講得很好 就會設立一些規範嘛主委 那個主席再給我但是呢有時候這個採購企業範本並不是剛性的所以我們現在已經預告政府採購法政府採購法如果修正通過將來我們工程會就訂定剛性的企業範本那這個採購機關呢他就可以因應他所要求的不管是利受採購來達到這個環境保護或相關的目的 |
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我們再看一下英國的做法我舉個例子給你參考英國就是說你如果政府標案金額達到500萬英鎊那麼你想要來參與公共工程的廠商你就必須要承諾減碳目標而且你要提出那你標下這個工程你如何達到減碳的計畫所以這個也可以做為未來我們在做相關公共工程招標的一個規範的一個參考好 謝謝主委好 謝謝主席謝謝 謝謝 |