| IVOD_ID |
165370 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165370 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T09:40:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T09:51:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face0e42dcb5adb97f9e63fe2012470c7542999b3dda73827680ee4908f1f42fde8f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:18 - 09:51:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請陳主委請陳主委委員長 主委長有幾個問題來就教主委這個第一個我想過去媒體也都有報導就是有關這個我們在 |
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台灣很多個城市其實大部分都是這樣從路燈到號誌的這個施工啊當然這個施工路燈在內政部嘛那號誌可能在交通單位無論是中央政府或地方政府那我們會發現這個路燈啊施工的安施工有SOP但施工的安全譬如說我們常常會有這個 |
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螺絲釘大顆的螺絲釘為了鎖住那個燈路燈跟鎖住那個交通號誌所以那個螺絲釘都非常的尖非常的高那也因為這個螺絲釘所以你看這個包括車禍跌倒或者車禍去撞到這個螺絲釘導致受傷或者甚至死亡這個時有在媒體上報導那也因為這樣子 |
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我們行政院的公共政策參與平台連署也達標啦就是說螺絲釘突出結果這個造成這些生命的危害那所以呢這個本席啊覺得這個除了達標他要求拋花內政部在施作的時候要怎麼去注意這個其實公共工程會應該有一個整體性的這個安全防護的準則來要求 |
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這個內政部或者交通部或者地方政府在施作相關路旁馬路旁邊的這個號誌或者這個照明設備都應該有這樣的一個標準 諸葦你的看法呢 |
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委員的意見非常好而且也是值得重視如果是屬於道路的施工規範我們會找內政部來討論是否在內政部相關的施工規範裡面能夠修訂或增訂加強比方說要螺帽等等這樣的一個或者是多高不能 |
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這個暴露出來之類的那我們會找內政部就他的施工規範是不是有修正的地方好 所以主委把內政部跟交通部找來在施工的規範當中有關安全的防護把它做一個 |
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綠定啦同時綠定好之後也要求各級政府從市政府到鄉鎮公所如果要做這樣的施工都必須符合這個規範所以這個應該可以施工規範訂定之後他就搬行而且所有的相關的這個是還要督促他們來做啦不是搬一個規範大家也要督促那主委這個我大概要給你多少多久的時間你可以來把這個規範做好 |
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這個要跟內政部討論那是不是這樣好不好我先給你三個月的時間那如果到時候三個月後還沒辦法做好那請公關成員再告訴本席到底是內政部交通部不配合還是其他有什麼問題這樣 |
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好我們就是剛才委員指示的三個月來找相關的部會來整個討論清楚是不是除了施工規範之外還有其他我們剛才沒有考慮到的要修正的安全最重要啦特別是這個都過去那麼多案例都因為 |
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突出的這個螺絲釘導致死亡或者是受傷我覺得這個是確保人民安全生命財產安全很重要的所以主委再拜託你那三個月之後如果未成那請工程會也告訴本席到底是什麼單位未成這個本席一定會嚴加監督這個到底是誰在拖這個事情好那另外這個剛剛大家也去特別去注意到 |
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這個公共城這個安全就所謂死亡的這個人數 |
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我其實看一下過去這幾年的資料我們的確這個人數的確有下降這個沒有問題但下降到現在大概這兩年都已經這兩年的人數都會停留在一個位階上然後再要再降看起來好像有一點停頓那這一樣跟剛剛上一個問題一樣都是安全的問題 |
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所以呢本席會希望說我們這個我看查核的數量每一年4000多件這個沒有問題就是說換言之這幾年下降查核數沒有問題查核數依然達到那個標準但這個案件數往下那我看一下這個造成死亡的案件當中比較多的是第一名是這個 |
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扣点数最多的第一个是未设置合规格的防坠设施第二名是施工架位于稳定构造物妥实连接或未符合规定一个有48件连续5年这个都是最多为施第二名有19件其实这两个会跟造成死亡原因意外的类型里面 |
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最多死亡是最弱嘛所以其实这两者有相互呼应的关系就是你为施工架为稳固或妥实为设置合规格的防罪设施所以其实这两个缺失最多也反映在这个所谓死亡意外里面最多死亡意外就是最弱嘛所以这两个其实有一定程度的符合那主委 |
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你有什麼看法就是說接下來在未來這個數字可以讓他持續下降甚至達到這個沒有人傷亡的這樣的一個狀況除了剛才我提到的跟勞動部來 |
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來協同來查核之外加強查核頻率另外我們正在公告預告政府採購法那將來的這個採購企業範本會採剛性企業範本那如果這個採購法能夠獲得答應支持通過之後那也未來實施剛性企業範本我們會在企業範本裡面來修正關於如何防範 |
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勞安的問題那第二個呢我們可能還需要再加再來研究關於最有利標評選的分數的這個比例就是如果說這個廠商他就經常性的會造成因為這些設施不足造成這個傷亡那如果是除非是不可歸則一廠商 |
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如果是可歸則於廠商的那我們那個扣分的分數要再提高那讓所有的廠商都有所警惕不能做 做不好勞安就不要來承攬政府的公共工程好 這個本席支持那但是本席也有一個建議就是說我們在做這個施工查核的時候 |
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如果我們發現老師問題在哪裡那除了在這一個領域加強教育之外也應該透過查核的優化讓大家知道重點是什麼你說你犯了這個錯其實是很嚴重的 |
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也就是說如果我們所有的茶盒大家都同對茶盒的缺失都同樣標準的時候它其實在某幾個數字上它就無法凸顯現在的數字都是因為你的什麼問題沒有做好而導致的傷亡那適度的加以來優化 |
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我講優化不是只有處分包括政府去強調教育訓練在這幾個老師出問題的這個方面上面這個其實也是一個除了剛剛主委提到之外其實這個也是可以考慮的方法那另外第三個現在科技的運用我看有一些地方政府都開始所謂用AI來做工地的管理那這個其實工程我應該要走在 |
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所有公安安全的這個相關單位的前面就公共城會可以協助可以配合跟勞動部一起來怎麼樣把怎麼樣把這個安全現在的科技AI已經運用到很厲害進來怎麼管理因為安全其實常常是管理的問題那如果這個SOP透過科技來協助我相信他會有一定程度的提升主委這個我本席建議的這兩點你的看法怎麼樣 |
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581.055 |
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596.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
一切就是公安還是管理的問題那管理就是跟那個公司他的經營文化有關如果這個企業的管理人員如果是很認真做這件事情那麼這個公安的事故就會減少 |
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596.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
619.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以我們會遵照委員的這個指示來加強跟勞動部來合作好 謝謝主委 這個都應該加強確保這個所有的安全最後一個小小的問題就是本席過去提到那個AC拋除料去化的問題我也知道觀光省我會這一年多來很認真在協助處理這個事情那也有一些進度啦那本席會覺得說 |
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622.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
634.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這個問題應該持續啦 現在剩下一些執行面嘛 包括我們現在要求內政部 交通部 地方政府辦理刨除戰 戰至場選址等相關的事宜都在推動 那所以主委這個也要持續的加強 |
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636.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
659.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
因為已經相關的施工規範 企業範本都有修正了將來我們的陸基或者是面層都要用一定比例的刨除料那這是下限 所以一定要用那自然就會去化掉一些OK 這個本席感謝表示光誠會有把本席的話聽進去這是循環經濟 我們在講碳排嘛這是循環經濟很重要的一個環節啦好 謝謝主委 謝謝 |