| IVOD_ID |
165368 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165368 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T09:19:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T09:28:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facebad85d48e835b9fc63fe2012470c7542999b3dda73827680ee4908f1f42fde8f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:19:28 - 09:28:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席好我們工程會陳主委請陳主委還有陳副主委請陳副主委委員長好主委最近因為救災很忙那我相信工程會所有的業務陳副主委也是駕輕就熟那我在看這個貴單位過去我一再強調 |
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团结合作从要解散到现在我很坚持这个单位不能解散是太重要了我要接下去也就是我们洪孟凯召委所关心的因为虽然这些是中游的事情可是这些一定跟合约有关 |
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所以現在豐豐宜宜94億既然適度的加價到253億當然這個部分當然跟合約有關所以合約有關的東西當然就跟工程會有關 |
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所以第一個我要請教主委也就是延續中油這個案子剛才你答覆這個也不是你當董事長的時候手花三但是最起碼這已經有三年左右了包括風風雨雨 |
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檢舉到最後現在媒體才開始闢落主委說實在的站在我的立場民意代表建議你的就是跟你職責有關的現在我們的政府我們賴政府在做事情我坦白講啊該講的不講不該講的偏偏講其實像這些東西就要透過公共工程委員會的專業 |
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去談把這個調查清楚到底有沒有你現在在立法院講沒有可是媒體又是風風雨雨 |
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大家在那邊猜測四次的追加94億變成253億這對政府的威信是非常傷的所以主委你們應該追到這些我的認為跟公共工程委員會絕對有權利去了解第一個有沒有違反合約的規定第二個有沒有這些 |
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加價加到這種情形你們最起碼要去了解這些主委 你再詳細跟本席跟本彥特別來說明一下到底這整個經過 有 沒有如果有 到底怎麼樣形成這個應該你們有這種權利去了解把它釐清真相不是嗎 主委 請回答 |
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根據中油的說明這個是顧問公司世襲在訪價那訪價他預算從頭到尾都是253億那中油政風也查並無這個外傳的這些事情那 |
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訪價了之後跟預算所以呢就是從頭到尾都253億元所以我們工程會呢也會去了解那麼現在傳聞的事情我們會要求中郵有個說法那來向貴委員會來說好 主委 |
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其實我說實在的這本來你們就要主動調查只要牽涉到和約有關只要是國家重要公共工程我跟你講我們工程會是責不旁貸的是一定要去了解的 |
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不然的話就隨便他們怎麼做那我公共工程委員會存在的存在的意義是什麼是要監督這些要杜絕工程品質之外在合約裡面在搞鬼我想這個主委你同意我的說法吧不是啦要了解啦好不好好主委多多久的時間可以了解清楚多久 |
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不要說中游說怎麼樣就怎麼樣啦好 我們三個月太久了啦就相續的集合了對 太久了啦 |
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差不多兩個月啦 差不多兩個月啦 好不好因為要成立 要正式成立集合小組啦對啦 對啦 差不多兩個月啦不要拖到三個月 我請副主委來補充好 副主委 那個跟你報告就是說我們有那個知道這個資訊有立即先去了解啦 |
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那初步就像主委剛剛跟您報告的那據我的了解它並不是簽約以後再從合約去變更它應該如果原來就200多億那可能是前面的緩價過程時不時在 |
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那這一塊因為根據媒體的報告好像檢調有介入在調查那我們會依照我們的集合機制去集合但是因為集合跟檢調有時候資訊會被檢調先拿走所以我們在不妨礙檢調調查的狀況底下進行集合 |
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其實你們一般來講主委我特別一再我對於你這個主委的位置大家都覺得說這關很小可是我認為很重要你管他關大不大的問題前神台灣多少公共工程都要你們來監督都要你們來協助不要忘了你們當初任何國家的重大政策 |
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要跟工程有關的一定是會你們的啊每一件事情你們都要了解所以 拜託六十天 兩個月一定把他理清楚這樣好不好好 另外一個本席非常重視就是公安的問題可是這個單位啊就很奇怪七條人命耶來 主委這個是誰管的 |
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七條人命 除了勞動部要做以外勞動部要查以外這七條人命如何解決有沒有跟人家民事的這些和解主委 你有沒有了解這些事公安擔當不是你們啦 但是發生事情你們也要去監督啊 |
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市長跟媒體的報告還是有一點點出入那麼就中油三接這個外擴的工程大概這個組成因為他是共同承攬那麼就黃昌公司的部分他大概有三次的質安的問題 |
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那慈安大概死了三個人然後一個人受傷並不是媒體講的七個人 首先跟委員報告不是啦 下包傷啦下包傷 不是只有黃昌黃昌是三起其他還有下包傷喔因為媒體講的是黃昌那我們部分會再去注意啦因為你捅包跟下包下包發生事情 捅包掩蓋這是最要不得的所以主委 我跟你講就是 |
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這個人命關天的情況之下不要去掩蓋事實就是事實所以啊我還是要拜託陳主委因為一向你上任以後我每一次都是在談公安的問題啊薪資的問題啊這個人命關天這可以預防的公安當然就是要公安那我們也承認三接的工程的危險度是高的 |
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這個承攬三接都是大的廠商大概都上市公司而且都承攬重大政府公務工程如果有公安致死我們會取消他的金職獎所以這些廠商一定跟這個職安這個受傷或死去的 |
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這個參與者一定會達成某程度就是一定有法律上的或者是我想這個公安的死亡那我現在就是說下包商網上的這個資訊是不明確私底下就解決掉我要拜託你們這次調查連這些也把它調查下去第一個就是 |
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訪價的問題 第二個就是公安的問題 是不是即時回報其實這種東西因為很多下包商他們都是這樣做喔私底下姐姐說 啊不要不要 不要這麼大啦我就請你把事情改觀這個也是要不得的所以還是要把它列入紀錄所以要拜託這兩件事情拜託主委要責成啊看副主委或者有關的那個來幫幫忙把它釐清這兩個部分 好不好好 謝謝好 |