| IVOD_ID |
165367 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165367 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T09:07:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T09:19:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610facedae2e7b217bcc3c763fe2012470c7542999b3dda73827680581072cc072802035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:07:28 - 09:19:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請陳主委請陳主委 |
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好主委早主委現在公共工程委員會因為在今年颱風比較多所以說我們有兩個重建條例都要麻煩工程委員會好好緊盯進度跟加快腳步那我想在這一次鳳凰颱風到最後雖然說沒有造成全島全台許多民眾的一個災情但中南部還是確實有一些風雨的影響 |
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那我們也看到新聞媒體畫面就有講到是說到目前為止台南都還是有一些民宅是用帆布他的屋頂還沒有修繕那當然我看到今天我們的報告裡面也有列出這個數據其實是有修繕的那中間的落差到底在哪裡是不是可以再說明一下 |
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報告委 前進指揮所協調全國超過290家廠商進駐梅河屋頂受損的民眾來做修繕總是完成超過1000家的廠商而且行政院也補助受災居民相關的經費弱勢者完全免費 |
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那至於不修繕的部分我們也足以去詢問確認他是否不修繕那麼足以詢問有的是因為產權的問題有的是因為根本沒有住在那裡這個掌握有多少因為我們看到在這一次即便是鳳凰颱風前都還有譬如說七谷區譬如說台南市長黃偉哲都還下令全面的檢測甚至七谷區的災民也講說還蓋帆布 |
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那就代表是说他其实他还是住在那边他不愿意修缮然后有的不住在那里因为产权复杂所以不修缮有的是仓库有的是其他的各式各样我们有请各区区长挨家挨户的去确认而且签名说这个不需要修缮但是来这样子主委他不愿意修缮但是他的屋顶破损是事实我们也看到新闻画面确实还有一些民宅是有帆布那会不会造成公共危险 |
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所以有的是鼓勵拆除如果拆除的話是政府免費幫他拆除免費去化這些營建的廢棄物那如果他仍然不接受拆除那麼也不修繕那麼台南市政府會依據相關法規要求一定時間之內改善否則依建築法相關規定會強制拆除 |
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是因為畢竟他如果說是帆布然後又這樣子的一個這個不夠穩固的情況甚至剛剛有如同您講的他可能人不住在那邊那如果人不住在那邊那下一次有風災來或是有任何情況的話他有可能那個地方會影響到周邊的民眾 |
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對所以有請台南市政府就依建築法相關規定那麼告知請求改善否則就強制拆除而讓我們國人更看到不希望看到就是台灣絕對不是一個我們絕對不是一個落後的地方嘛中華民國不應該存在說到這個時間點的四個月後都還有民宅是用帆布蓋著那這樣好像是我們大家沒有動起來 |
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但事實上要人給人 要錢給錢這次的條例600億立法院也沒有任何刪除甚至我們也希望加速進行而我現在還看到是說我們可能針對這次條例還會再提高追加預算 是不是 |
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並沒有提高追加預算的這個計畫不過針對這個要自行修繕不管他是自行修繕完畢或未修繕完畢那麼我們前一陣子才每戶再加發兩萬塊目的就是希望他趕快自行修繕 |
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好 那主委我再請教一下那台南嘉義的部分我們這邊討論一個部分那另外花蓮地區到現在淹涉湖的狀況因為在這次的鳳凰颱風裡面又發生名利村有淹水並且液體的事件那我們到底現在對於淹涉湖因為我們也看到之前內政部已經有請我們水利專家李鴻元李鴻元也講是說其實馬太安溪的淹涉湖左偏波是不穩的 |
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那也給予相關的建議那我想這些建議其實都應該是當作是我們的工程單位的一些參考但到目前為止講說政府沒有展開討論那會不會就變成還是一個不定期炸彈 |
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縣社府農業部持續在監測當中那麼也準備做變道一直上去到縣社府這個地方但是變道必須大概六個月才能夠完成那麼這個等於是狀況持續掌握包括到昨天晚上那麼也發現沒有 主委我們先還原一下譬如像這次的名利村事件 |
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水利署在之前其實名利村村長也都一直示警是說那邊有可能會有議題的危險那水利署在之前還沒有發生議題的時候也媒體報導就講是說放心不會有問題但沒想到不到一天的時間就發生議題我跟委員報告馬太安溪的北方是光復跟萬種比較高 |
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它的南邊是光護箱比較低那麼右邊的堤防會比較好但是因為整個馬太安溪目前河床幾乎跟堤防一樣高有的甚至比堤防還高換句話說只要好雨下來每個地方都會溢流因為整個馬太安溪已經很高所以它就是一個不定時炸彈啊它現在是積極的促進這就是跟現場那個村長他們觀察的是一樣的意思因為馬太安溪非常大範圍非常廣 |
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所以要積極再輸進 輸進就要有變道因為卡車進進出出又有變道所以這個水利署一直到昨天凌晨把那個整個把它疏洪道已經開闢出來然後也加強了圍堵暫時停住名利村繼續淹水的問題那這部分我們會要求經濟部水利署必須非常的 |
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這個注意監測那個地方的狀況如果有民眾反應應該隨時改善那我要說的是整個馬太安溪河床非常高所以並不是說一個變道變成一個主要切口每個地方都可能溢過去好 其實主委你剛剛講這個話相對是公允 |
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就是說不是因為以前我們都存在是人定勝天但是看到現在極端氣候的狀況那還有就是說如果真的有一些地方是沒有辦法掌握那地方的民眾確實有災情回報的時候這就不分中央地方大家應該要共同面對跟解決而不是說 |
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有這種我們看到媒體報導居然還有這個水利署官員當然他是什麼樣他可能是想要安災民的心可是如果說應該要把確實的風險也都應該要如實的告知才不會造成這種錯誤的落差其實有些時候錯誤的落差很有可能會導致喪失黃金的這個逃命時間或是黃金的救援時間 |
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因為水利署也提及動員的幾個河川分署積極在輸進當中而且那個輸進不是3年5年可以完成恐怕10年20年所以現在主委能不能讓國人知道現在也已經過了那一段時間了那現在馬太安溪這個部分你剛剛講有可能要動員要10年才有可能讓花蓮鄉親完完全全不會有 |
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未來不用再提前調達馬太安溪的輸進要輸進到一個程度需要很長時間因為太太大了所以我們現在計畫的時程日期因為現在還好過了11月可能不會有太大的好雨第一個是 |
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關戶鄉這邊的堤防要做成這個超級堤防就是目前是寬是10米 這樣會做50米對 那甚至在往 五倍之多對 然後甚至在往外推200米的滯洪道所以等於第三個防線 這是堤防的部分那河川疏進加緊進行那會做變道道驗射壺 監測驗射壺那驗射壺因為那個地方容易崩塌 |
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那据我了解目前它的原认设股的右侧又少数的崩塌了 |
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所以 主委 到明年 因為現在11月了嘛那到明年的夏季 颱風雨季來臨之前這一些短暫立即的危險 能不能把它改善我會要求農業部呢 在明年就是夏季 夏天之前六月之前 儘速把那個從底下的便道一直做到院舍我必須 明年六月之前要完成有辦法 |
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經費已經到位了300億也已經通過了然後我們要求農業部進入趕工明年6月之前完成那個變道那個變道打通了之後機具才有可能上去人才有可能上去好 主委最後一個問題 |
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前天看到中油的三接的一個工程也有媒體報導我想你這邊有看到因為這是一個全國矚目的工程從當時的公投到現在持續在進行當中那但是居然有報導出現說有這個中間的過程裡面還要從原本的94億然後一直要增加到250幾億諸位 |
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看到這個報導之後你會不會覺得很訝異先講掌管全國公共工程照理講不應該出現公共工程有這樣子的一個離譜狀況我們一般機關的小額採購都不可能更何況是一個牽涉到幾百億的國家工程 |
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我跟委員報告 那麼 中友已經澄清了 沒有這回事了那這個是他的第二期 外國黃鍋題所以這個是媒體的誤傳 媒體的報導錯誤可能有人蓄意放這樣的消息因為預算不是中友能編的 預算他是委託委託這個公共工程所以公共工程有查核過了嗎 到目前為止因為如果說有這樣 中友有這樣說明 本身有看到但我說公共工程有沒有去做了解 |
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這一個算是一個列管案件重大工程的列管吧 |
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本席強調本席是有任何不法我們絕對支持減掉勿枉勿縱我們可以去查核了因為這個本身就是重大公共工程本來我們是管進度管工程品質那如果說這個採購過程如果有這樣的事情那當然公共工程委員會會依職責去了解了不過因為我也擔任過專務董事長 |
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670.604 |
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那我了解這個這一個不會是任內不是第一期還沒有發報我就下台了第二期的部分他是顧問公司來籌編的好來那我只最後請教一件事這一個工程以我們公共工程的專業來講因為它其實差距非常大如果說九十幾億可以做出來到最後兩百多億那等於是暴增兩倍多的工程經費 |
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671.923 |
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699.138 |
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合理嗎這部分我們會了解就是跟物價或設計有沒有關係而且它是跟原來在岸上的施工已經完全不一樣原來設計是在岸上那現在被往外推將近一公里所以那個經費一定增加的經費增加可能這部分但是增加兩倍三倍合不合理這是重點嘛這個我們會去了解好請再給本席以及我們交通委員會在後續了解的資料好不好謝謝 |