| IVOD_ID |
165356 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165356 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-13T09:50:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-13T10:02:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fffa2c65c610face5ea3b376ac6d01c5fa47f864c5dfb45a999b3dda738276807bd1442b9f89c7a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:37 - 10:02:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第8次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行副總裁、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯、經濟部次長、勞動部次長、衛生福利部次長就「經濟成長讓全民共享:政府如何縮短所得差距暨改善相對貧窮化之對策」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
二、審查本院民進黨黨團擬具「財政收支劃分法第十六條之一未分配款運用暫行條例草案」案。) |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請財政部的莊部長主計總署的主計長還有莊營郎的原副總裁一起好不好三個一起請莊部長陳主計長那原副總裁 |
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委員好好 三位長官好先請教兩位兩位女士這個今天有個題目統籌分配稅款所以有剩345億來分配可是實際的情況我們很快就刪除了 |
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離島條例要改這個財務法16條是3離島要支付這個2.5%就220億所以實際上只有剩125億啦沒有345億啦我這樣算法對吧 那個部長這樣講對嗎 |
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委員因為16條11除了離島當然也有本島這個整個分母的問題所以會有345億沒有辦法做分配是這樣子但離島221億是法定的2.5%如果用計算如果你把它變成分母把它調整的話它大概就是221億吧這個對吧本島是225離島是12119 |
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李導要再給他兩百二十億啦一百二十一百二十還兩百二十一百二十可是我們算都是兩百二十你們算每次就算得跟我們不一樣奇怪勒 你把我少算這麼多 |
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跑啦 就算你對好不好也沒有345啊 也剩下200多而已啊對不對 這個我比較關心的喔卓院長不斷的說年底要送出行政院班的才化法請問財政部你送給行政院沒有 |
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財政部已經開過試試會那都有大的架構什麼時候可以送給財政部 行政院什麼時候 我們近期送什麼時候可以送 什麼時候問你問 什麼時候可以送近期已經送了 已經送了但是因為那個內容還需要再進一步整理我知道內容 我沒問你 你已經送了好 已經送了喔那我就問主計長 |
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你剛才這樣說我嘴角全破 說我這家你贊這樣喔我贊就我贊 我請問你現在台灣的工資 平均工資多少錢平均薪資平均薪資大概是四萬七左右平均薪資四萬八八 四萬你講得這麼客氣四萬七八啦平均多少 |
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四萬八啦 不是四萬一啦齁四萬八啦 我跟你講啦齁但是今天就主席英明排這個題目三分之二領不到這個錢 |
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所以你要看的不是平均薪資你的薪資一年一千萬啊 金控 董事長 總經理你不要急 你不要急喔要看中匯數 中匯數只有三萬多而已啊三萬多啦 所以沒有想像過二華站 吐華站三萬多其實辛苦啦 還是辛苦啦所以貧富差距非常的嚴重 |
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非常嚴重 靠什麼呢 最好的方式就是稅制來 我們看第二張 莊部長我幫你統計了一下 黃帝河一稅減少了133億代表在央行 副總裁你就有角色 那個土地產可以清回的 |
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那個央行副總裁這個角色喔黃帝河一歲少了133億 政交稅少了5.5%但是 銀索稅增加了4800多億這什麼意思我們的產業很賺錢 |
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銀索稅做很多 站腳 但是呢 集中在AI概念股你看股票市場就好啦 大部分漲的都是AI概念股啊非AI概念股跌的都比漲的多啊 很清楚來看啦 對不對所以今年到現在為止是負的馬拉斯0.2我就先問副總裁 先問副總裁 來來來 副總裁 |
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這邊那個數據做一個說明 銀索稅的佔角是4881 增加715不是增加 增加715總數是4881 增加700多 總數4881也是很多啦 因為其他都減少來 副總裁 我就問你 |
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黃帝合一減少了133億代表房地產不好嘛這時候 你的第七波的信用管制有沒有考慮要鬆綁一點 有沒有 |
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那個報告委員我們在上一次理事會的時候我們也的確做了一點點調整啊怎麼調整我們每一次的理事會之前我們都會去檢討當前的房地產政策我們在下一次理事會我們會做一些內部的檢討所以進一步的鬆綁是可以預期的是不是這個我們要等理事會開會才知道上一次有沒有鬆綁一定 |
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上一次開會有沒有鬆綁一點上一次有啊上一次我們對那個我們的換屋的那個從一年改成18個月然後我們也放寬了一些就已經確定不會有第八波的信用管制了是不是目前沒有這個都是由理事會來決定目前沒有嘛那我再回到財政部的莊部長 |
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健保署在衛福部打你的主意啊說鼓勵加租金加利息你知道有人現金鼓勵最多的領多少錢你知道嗎不要講名字幾十億吧有沒有 |
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這個個人的資料我們沒有個人資料我沒有講名字啊我所知道是幾十億啊幾十年前就幾十億現在更多啦一個人就領幾十億的現金鼓勵要課要課他們啊你不要課這個純鼓足而且他憑什麼 |
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衛福部憑什麼要求你把這個稅的資料給他做一個統計 攬傘部長啊 你聽好以後喔如果這個要做的話等於他成立第二個國稅局喔建保署就變成第二個國稅局喔因為你要把股利加租金加利息要大於兩萬 這要攬傘現在的補充保費是救援課稅 沒問題 |
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對不對 但是你這個Lamsam就要經過你啊你睡 你就要給這個衛福部啊他侵占你地盤啊 你要講話啊你要反對啊 |
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你有沒有反對我問你你有沒有反對報告有關補充保費這個部分目前來說會是暫緩然後衛福部會重新再來思考他要跟你討論啦對不對你要反對他等於當然會有跨部會來做一個討論因為這個我再講一遍這是三個把它加總年度加總這只有你才有的資料 |
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他怎麼可以來佔你的地盤呢他變成第二個國稅局啊對不對 你地盤被人家瓜分了 你都不知道對不對 你要大聲講話拍桌說反對 不可以這樣子除非修法修法當然可以 對不對我們是反對對純苦族這樣子的剝削因為他已經教了嘛 現在目前已經教了啊 |
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目前已經交了你還進一步交這沒有道理好這個你可以請回了我們問問副總裁那個部長先不要先不要走來來來部長等一下來兩位一起聽說台美關稅確定了差不多確定了但是呢美國要求我們投資3500億美金到5000億美金副總裁這會不會動到我們的外匯存底 |
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那個報告委員因為整個案子我們我們也還沒有定案所以我也不知道最後那你如果要投資美國會不會動到外匯存底我就問你 |
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外匯存底是央行自己在保管運用的那會不會影響其實是我們在看我們在外匯市場有沒有做很大的調節你要看當時候的外匯市場的供需情況吧今天我是廠商我要投資美國我用台幣跟你買美金就動到你的外匯存底啊難道不是嗎那要看央行有沒有進去干預啦你們會進去干預嗎我們看市場的情況 |
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這個部長啊 你有沒有聽說這個確定了要投資3千億美金到五千我想這個有關台美關稅談判我們有行政院的經貿談判小組在持續進行那最後的一個結果我想在適當時機談判團隊會問三千億美金是什麼概念就10兆新台幣以上 |
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然後我們的size比韓國也不如比日本也不如為什麼我們投資金額要比照韓國跟日本日本五千五韓國三千五為什麼要比照這樣子太敲得起我們了最後一個小問題問一下副總裁你再講一下現在你的外匯存底的配置有沒有大幅的改變有沒有 |
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你說外匯存底的改變有沒有大幅改變因為我們主要持有的還是以美元計價的為主有八成接近八成差不多八成有沒有買一點黃金跟加密貨幣目前沒有目前都沒有買我跟你數字你看全世界其他國家的央行平均的配置美元46 |
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黃金20%歐元小於20%給你當參考那個報告委員那個其實你的資料是平均的其實各國央行的差異還很大的什麼意思各國央行持有譬如說美國德國義大利他們那種傳統的國家他持有黃金的數量是以台灣來講持有美元的資產美元計價的資產大概全世界第一喔我們占八成全世界第一喔對吧 |
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謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員 |