| IVOD_ID |
165331 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165331 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T13:48:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T13:56:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe34a2d5df0754bcde6b62a46119727b9b988d062fb7dbff77c3cf91e161b04d6245ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:48:29 - 13:56:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 見到部長沒關係反正不想要叫你 但既然你上來就問一下那個部長部長好我想我只有接到一個陳情他是這樣子就是他的爸爸是89歲 |
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然後在一兩年前當時他的外籍看護啊就是被發現居然對他的爸爸強插鼻胃管然後後來他們發現之後覺得非常不可思議因為他爸爸當時在八九歲嘛抗拒但是力氣沒有看護這麼大啦看護就一直一直要幫他插進去啊然後家人看到之後都非常心痛 |
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那這個事情當然對家屬而言他沒有辦法接受所以後來就要申請那個廢止聘僱那這件事情後來事發之後九天這個看護就跑掉了跑掉那本來應該是遇到這個狀況應該是有兩種嘛一種是廢聘要求他直接遣返嘛是有這種機制然後另外但是廢聘廢聘遣返是不是空窗期會等比較久他的看護空窗期會比較久嗎 |
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一個月吧一個月那廢聘轉出的話空窗期會比較短嗎如果部長不了解的話可以請那個相關單位回答 |
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如果是經過外國人有違規廢聘的話雇主是可以立即遞補那如果是雙方合意解約的話那超過一個月以上也可以遞補所以就變成說雙方要第一個要合意如果沒辦法合意的話就會拖非常久嘛 |
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然後第二個不是如果是外國人違規不可歸咎於雇主的話其實可以直接就轉換可以直接就遞補問題是你認定你要由誰來認定是不是要經過一定的認定程序地方政府會來認定所以他就是第一個就是認定的時間然後第二個就是雙方要提出很多對自己比較有利的證據那有的時候可能也沒有辦法馬上有答案我現在 |
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所以家屬就覺得說而且這個案子比較特殊的是後來那個看護跑掉以後他提出廢聘程序的過程當中他要一直幫這個看護付就業安定費還有保費然後 |
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看護呢也請律師也請律師所以雙方就進入到這種比如說法律的程序廢聘之後不用付專費啊程序上在申請的程序過程但廢聘之後就不用了對對對不用但是他過程拖比較久因為因為這個那個看護也有找律師啦所以要拖比較久啊 |
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我現在的問題是這樣第一就是我覺得事後我把這個案子就轉交給勞動部先去了解一下那僱主是覺得說第一他覺得這個看護沒有辦法得到應有的處分因為強插鼻胃管這個事情應該有違法吧 |
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可是到目前為止都沒有認定他有違法的狀況然後僱主認為說這個事情應該不是一般的勞資糾紛他有牽涉到虐待老人的問題那我們現在勞動部好像相關的法令都比較偏向外籍看護 |
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所以其實這衍生出來的問題是其實我們有很多不只是這位長者啦可能有一些生長者 重度生長者他也會面臨到外籍看護虐待的問題但有沒有一個機制是能夠保護雇主的 |
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就是譬如說可以立刻讓僱主可以讓他廢聘速度快一點而且在廢聘的申請過程當中可以不用再去繳什麼就業安定費然後或者是保費然後讓他可以在那個空窗期是可以越短越好的因為很多僱主會擔心的是我現在去申請這個廢聘的程序我不知道下一個看護什麼時候會來那中間就會衍生出空窗期的問題我覺得這個是很多僱主會擔心的部分 |
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那個根文說明如果這個外籍勘案有違規的狀況當然這可以用透過1955來做怎麼部長講話大聲透過1955來做申訴那如果需要調查的話當然也可以請地方政府來做查查這部分是這樣那第二個是當然如果這個當然廢聘期間可能要確認廢聘了以後才能不繳就安定費啦不然這過程會很難認定這樣子 |
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再一个事情说如果有空窗期的话当然现在其实也是可以用短照或者是传息的资源来去协助那这个短照跟传息的资源目前就我们知道卫福部这边其实也有做相关政府有相关的补助跟补贴对那有关于就是很多雇主认为说像虐待老人或者是看护可能虐待这种认定好像都轻轻放过把它当做是一般的劳资纠纷那这个有什么救济管道吗 |
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這個可能會要是請地方政府都是請地方政府社政單位來做這個相關的認定但我覺得有牽涉到全國的一致性這有牽涉到全國一致性 |
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但是我就說執行這件事情當然是地方政府要執行那當然運用的法規就是說是不是有虐待的法規這個是老扶法嘛對不對是老扶法要來做認定就是從老扶法來去做是否有虐待或者是這個很不OK的對待的狀況會由老扶法來做判定 |
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好OK我就是我希望勞動部可以可以關心一下啦這些可能有遭受到虐待或者是不當對待的這些僱主啦他們的一些權利跟他們心聲啦那這個應該是不牽涉到地方啦好希望勞動部可以關心一下這因為我剛講那個案例在 |
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在一些外籍看護的僱主的群組其實是大家我們有瞭解大家的心聲是大家是蠻有共鳴的所以希望勞動部可以瞭解然後再一點時間上次有問部長說研究一下因為既然我們就業安定金金啊錢那麼多都可以拍影片那是不是可以讓一些中度或重度失能以上的僱主 |
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就是說他是要請外籍看護來照顧他家人這些僱主可以免繳救援安定費這個上次好像部長說要研議啦跟委員說明齁接下來在救援費的使用上面我們很明確做了範定只要是不相干的的業務的話就不能夠使用救援費所以我們其實在今年已經做了更嚴格的規定所以這當然過去的某些使用也許會有一些因為我下面要去扯那個那些事情對那所以我還是要先說因為委員剛剛前面先講了這個部分嘛第二個是說 |
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呃針對救安費比方說比較特殊的狀況的救安費那是不是要減收或者是什麼狀況當然我覺得我們這部分是可以來研議的有啦上一次來質詢你就說要研議因為又過一個月了啦趕快上次有答應要給我們那個報告時間快到了提醒你一下因為因為我知道你們做了嚴格規範代表說 |
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花的會比較少嗎因為之前就是太多太多他就亂花嗎那你現在嚴格規範代表就是很多錢會省下來嗎啊這個錢既然省下來基金也沒有要用到的話不如就讓那些中重度失能家庭可以免繳嗎就回饋給弱勢啊我們綜合的來評估一下對好好謝謝好謝謝接下來請張雅玲為人來做 |