| IVOD_ID |
165329 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165329 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T13:35:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T13:48:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3f0f947ffe3e9453eb62a46119727b9b985b487800f276530d53b19a6b4a7811c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:35:36 - 13:48:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 麻煩請洪聖翰部長來 請部長部長都還沒有吃 你們都吃飽了很好 沒事 市長好好 村委員好部長好我想先請教你那個就是說我們一般整體的這個失業率跟原住民的失業率各是多少 |
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目前應該都是3%出頭然後原名我剛看到是3.08我們在3出頭3點零幾是都一樣嗎兩個數字都一樣嗎很接近就原名會給我們原住民的原住民族的事業的數字所以這個部分是原名會做的不是你們去統計的好那所以是你們委託原名會做 |
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不是他們自己做的他們自己做所以你們做的失業率就不會再分不會再特別分族群去做研究是嗎他們數據3.43抱歉好那整體的呢 |
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3.38好那我想是这样因为今天前面有好几位原住民的立委来这来未还关心原住民的这个就业的问题那虽然这个没有在我的咨询稿里面但是就说刚刚他们所提到的其实我很早以前我都有问过了但是我想我刚在这边听好我想点出一些问题就是说 |
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我们其实常常在部落也好或者是在很多地方我们在跑原住民的这个行程的时候也很巧你说3.48的失业率是吗 |
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3.43的失业率那我们怎么走动好神奇哦就这3.43%的人我们走没几步就会遇到所以为什么刚刚有委员说你们那个不能光看你这个数字啊是不准那是因为我们出去走确实有遇到这样的现象所以我就要请教你了就是说 |
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你們原住民失業率的這個到底就是說這個採樣是怎麼樣那你們說是原民會做的那我現在因為我不太清楚說做這個是原民會的工作還是你們的工作還是你們有講好說就是讓他們做還是你們覺得他們做了你們就不用做了 |
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因為畢竟我認為勞動部在做這些研究或許是比較專業的我想委員針對你剛才講的這個現象我覺得我們可以來跟原民會來討論就是說到底了解一下他的調查方法如何 |
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了解一下它的那個樣本對 更好的調查方法那大家在不同的調查方法上面就是說不同的調查單位其實能夠去做對接在方法上面比較奇異比較能也能夠去做可行性的比較那我是不是也建議你們也做一下 |
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因為其實在做這個失業率的統計當然有很多的技巧我相信勞動部的各位應該都比我還熟那起碼看你們是質化還是量化或者兩個並行怎麼樣做比較準這個還牽扯到這個區域的問題因為我們原鄉跟都會區的原住民的工作型態是差距是非常大的 |
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好所以這個部分因為我這樣聽起來我認為部長對於原住民的這個整個生活型態並不是很了解我們也可以體諒但是不能一直包容下去因為您坐這個位置原住民的勞工 |
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好跟跟这个其他劳工朋友本国的劳工朋友外籍的劳工朋友都一样都是劳工也都是劳动部需要关心的对象那所以这个部分我本期建议就是说劳动部你们可以也邀集好先讨论一下就是说看要你们自己研究所要做还是你们委外给哪个单位做但是要做之前 |
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我覺得你們要去找就是說對於這個原住民整個生活型態很了解的因為畢竟過去 |
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我曾經聽到在這個公部門有人很得意的講這個不小心讓我聽到就是說因為我們要降低這個數據我們就其實就有很多這個臨時的工作跑出來當這個臨時的工作跑出來的時候你當然在做說他這個失業率在做的時候當然跟當然 |
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到底說他是誤差還是他是技巧性的美化這個我們就不知道了啊好部長你覺得這個部份我們統一處這邊來說明報告委員是這樣子就是我們國家的那個政府統計他是你可以大聲一點我們國家的 |
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我們國家的政府統計它是依據主席總署的各部會統計範圍劃分方案來分工的這個原因是因為你分什麼工分工 譬如說哪個統計是哪個部會負責 |
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那因為各部會的這個職權多少有點重複的地方好沒關係我了解你要講什麼我想如果是如果是已經有這個分工所以你這個分工確定是 |
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那個原住民的失業率是由原民會來做是嗎好那這個部分本席在這裡要求那你們是不是可以討論一下就是說也理解了解一下那提供你們平常在做那個失業率的部分好怎麼樣做然後也跟原住民的部分 |
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就是說大家做一下意見交流我覺得在做之前我們這樣好不好我們來跟原住民原民會討論一下他們做的方法上面有沒有什麼地方可以我們有提供建議的地方我們會來找他們因為以前你們勞動部應該是自己也有做過啦可以去了解一下看看我印象中是這樣子的那另外就是說我要講的是 |
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再來就是說大家如果不是在數據上琢磨的話那我認為就是說剛剛前面委員提到了在這個營造業好特別蓋房子 |
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這個部分其實不談先不談這個失業率我們談的是說在我們現在的這個逃逸的外籍勞工人數已經邁入 |
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10萬9萬也快10萬多少9萬4很快啊可能可能你再過一兩個禮拜搞不好就變10萬了啊好所以這個部分喔你們倒是可以好好的去了解一下因為這個部分影響的是我們原來從事這些營造業的我們原住民的朋友的日薪他們的收入 |
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因為就請這個逃逸的就比較便宜啊那當然大家都會去請那我們也遇到就是說之前有原住民的朋友拿不到工資的來跟我們懲請我們有協助去溝通那拿到以後他生氣不聘請這個正常的原住民的這個老公朋友現在就轉而去聘請這些逃逸的 |
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所以你們應該也要我要在這邊也要請你們再做一個研究跟評估就是這個逃逸的這個外籍勞工對營造業的勞工的就業影響好以及這個衝擊評估好特別是原住民的部分 |
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我們綜合的來思考一下好了這部分對不是我不曉得你的思考是什麼就是我們來看一下你要思考什麼我請你做這個評估你要思考什麼就是可以跟不可以我們來看一下這個評估現在有沒有一些資料可以來提供我們請我們研究所來看一下對有嗎現在有嗎現在沒有嗎就請你們做啊對他說沒有能做嗎如果沒有的話我們就來進行吧對好這部分也請你們一併就做一下 |
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好那大概我想就针对原住民的部分大概是这样那我最后提一下比较具体一点的在我也想同步了解一下就是这个缺工缺工因为那个目前目前统计出来就是那个旅宿业流动率就特别高嘛我们在这个表上面很清楚 |
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561.55 |
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587.782 |
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平均就花了花了大概三個月的招募然後也很難找到人所以我想從這個表我們今天都脫稿來質詢那這個部分我們就是因為我觀察到的在台東那個勞動部去辦理這個 |
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589.286 |
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597.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
就是說就業的這些這些媒合那是就是等於大雜燴各類型的全部都在一起 |
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599.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
627.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
也很好也认真但是呢我们有没有考虑过就是说我们在未来是不是就是说分类更集中比如说我今天我针对的是这个吕树叶的我们就今天就来一个好来一个吕树叶很集中有之前做过我不知道因为我在台东我是没有看到我刚好之前针对吕树叶我们其实有进专案媒合有媒合到我们那里去吗 |
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630.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
658.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
那個不要緊我是說建議我不是說只有鋁樹葉啦我說未來你們就是說整體綜合的那是不是未來有幾項抽出來我們也就是分類型去辦理我在這裡我沒有沒有責備的意思啦我是說我們可以好調整一下那我也想了解就是說因為我去台東我有去參加那個就是那個中高齡的 |
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659.437 |
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678.746 |
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那個就業的你們有一個就業的那個中心開幕我有去那這半年就是台東縣銀髮人才服務據點的這個部分可能已經經過6個月了我想了解一下這6個月你們的成效怎麼樣 |
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680.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
705.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
大概我想大概是這樣所以我們一周內把相關的資料送到委員辦公室好不好你們在會後再麻煩一下那因為剛剛就是有那個剛剛也有原住民的立委特別有提到就是說好像我們常在做那個就業的那個訓練啊執訓都是固定的好像都只有那幾種類型而且不是很高階的 |
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707.081 |
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727.782 |
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我要在這裡點出一個問題啦因為我知道你們資訊有時候也是委外那在我們台東確實有一些有奇特的現象長期以來呢可能就是單一的協會在辦理那這個單一協會的辦理就很容易他就是會有集中在幾項的這個 |
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730.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
746.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們的這個執訓的部分那除了表面上是這樣那實質上有沒有其他的目的我覺得你們應該也要關心一下我今天在這裡我就不要講的太明講出來就傷感情了我想這個部分未來 |
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748.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
760.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
就是說我們在這個執訓的委外單位的這個訓練跟培養其實也可以更多元好到機會可以給更多的人去參與好 以上謝謝 |