| IVOD_ID |
165315 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165315 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T12:16:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T12:27:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3444971b7256ef69cb62a46119727b9b9cc7208a858208f5ccf300a208d967c955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:55 - 12:27:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝麻煩請洪部長有請洪部長好部長好 洪委員好部長來之前本席就有就教過就是因為長榮航空的空服員事件而引發就說這個請假的一個相關的爭議那我知道說昨天我們勞動部已經有針對保障勞工並駕權的會議有召開了那前天 |
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前天兩天前沒錯那現在當然裡面與會代表對於勞工請病假不得扣獎金或是不利處分有高度的共識但是對於不利處分的範圍就是所謂的天數有不同的建議那請教一下到目前為止我們自己勞動部的立場為何 |
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我想我們當然是我們之所以會召開這個會議就代表我們其實認為現在在勞工勤兵價上面確實應該做更進一步的保障尤其是面對可能有些雇主會過度的使用管理制度造成 |
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讓大家不敢請必須報病上班的狀況我想我們是意願我們是有這個意圖要來做制度上面的調整的這也是我之前一直在說的那的確現在是大家在思考的事情說這個保障的程度包括保障的天數那大家在這裡面做討論那所以我們禮拜一也邀請了各界一起來表達他的看法論舉從幾天到幾天 |
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因為一定是有一個Range嘛可能僱主代表會希望是說相對少一點嘛那勞工代表相對多一點嘛我都可以理解啦那我是說到之後還是會回歸到說主管機關的態度立場因為到之後還是要定出一個時間點我們當然希望對勞工的保護可以多一點是所以那時候會議裡面的Range有到幾天到幾天其實會議現場應該有人從三天五天七天 |
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12天15天都有人講30天也有人講那好我請教後續 |
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部長後續什麼時候會把它訂因為你開完會了既然你講說從三天到三十天就10%到100%那總是到時候你還是要訂出來嘛那後續你要怎麼做第一個我們的確是在這些建議下面我們現在在綜合的評估那時間點那第二個是我們希望這個相關制度上面的調整包括請假規則上面的修訂我自己也希望盡快甚至我們希望明年大概就可以實施嘛 |
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明年實施所以最快今年年底要出來我們能快我就盡量快啊是所以部長我現在確認就是說後續現在意見收集完畢還會再開第二次會嗎還是其實那天會議已經OK了那天是請大家一起來到這個會議但是過程裡面可能還會有針對個別我們會跟個別的 |
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發言的單位可能會再再跟他們確認一下他們的一些意見那他們考慮的實質考慮的點其實通常我們會有一個像這樣的會議可是因為私下我們跟這些工會包括跟這些企業還是會有些聯絡現在要看到的是我們勞動部的態度嘛 |
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就是说针对这个意见你已经有我肯定说我们开了这个会但是后续你开会要有结论那结论我现在因为我还有其他问题所以我是不是能够确认一个时间点什么时候我们会有后续的指引或者是劳工请假规则修正出来第一个我们希望尽快然后第二个我自己很希望明年就可以上路实施好所以说今年年底有办法出来 |
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才有辦法符合您的期待啊當然啊所以今年年底可以出來當然我沒有想在這事情拖延來那部長那另外請教有勞工代表建議要把友善請假制度列入ESG的一個揭露項目揭露內容本席覺得這也可能變成是我鼓勵 |
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友善的企業告訴我們全台的民眾哪一些雇主針對這個部分是友善的那也許他會有一個bonus就是說他在徵才的時候更多的勞工願意來去投這個投履歷來去應徵您怎麼看第一個納入ESG的部分我們很願意跟金管會在這部分來做討論 |
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那過去我們其實這個也不需要金管會同意啊因為勞動部如果說有的話其實就可以把它給金管會會做它是一個揭露EHC揭露的一些範例那金管會會請各部會會放入ESG的部分來去做提出那就是勞動部如果說同意或說勞動部認為說這個東西是一個指標我們當然認為這是一個好的方向啊是所以說你願意我們願意來嘗試但是這裡面當然就會有跟包括幾個相關的部會 |
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因為金管會他目前管的部分比較是在EHG的揭露上面部長本席這樣子理解你剛回答的態度本席理解你剛回答的態度應該算是正向看待接納這個意見我也希望這樣子好那這樣子不要說到最後沒有嘛那如果說沒有的話就政府因為政府是一體的 |
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我想政府是一體的不是互推皮球在這邊講完這邊算然後結果我到九樓大禮堂換要諮詢金管會諮詢財政的時候財政部長另外一套那如果說真的願意往這個方向推那是不是部長能夠譬如說召集找金管會換你找金管會來開會請金管會把他放入那就是我們往這個方向做是的委員政府是一體的但是我的發言人家只能夠代表勞動部 |
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我覺得我們這個相關院 現在大家非常非常關心病假全身健康權的部分來人別說我行為啦 說實在 勞動部願意放入如果說你有這樣的意向 我覺得不會有其他部會說會否決勞動部但重點在於是說是不是把這個東西給揭露讓其他的企業能夠來去做遵循其實我覺得這個是加分項目 |
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這個叫做加分項目他不是說你把它揭露出來讓那個企業能夠有這個加分項目我覺得這是好事我們盡快跟金管會討論吧盡快 對兩個禮拜內可以嗎可以啊好 謝謝部長最後一個問題 |
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勞動部在之前那個呂樹業有講是說就是加薪2000元來可以新聘移工我想先確認一下2000怎麼來的這個數字第一個2000這個數字我們其實當然當初有好幾個數字評估啦對 但本席跟很多國內人納悶就是說為什麼是加薪2000我們考慮幾件事情一個月30天加薪2000那平均一天加薪不到100塊 |
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那現在最低工資28590加薪2000平均不到十分之一啊那這樣子真的有實質的幫助本勞嗎跟我的說明第一個我們其實當初有評估如果把加薪的幅度拉得比較大的話那可能會受惠的本國勞工就會少一點就是如果加薪的幅度再拉大一點的話可能雇主會考慮的就會少 |
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可能受惠的會少一點沒有 僱主的想法一定是他加薪譬如說他加薪三千元他可以多請一個外勞嘛那他重點就是讓僱主去思考說他到底是要再多請一個外勞的人力來還是說他其實可以善待他原本有的員工嗎我要提的事情是說其實我們在這次的配套其實有講加薪兩千可以取得一個名額但三年後你如果要保持這個名額你還必須再加一次 |
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三年後就累進的加薪對然後每一次都是兩千對而且同樣的人數還要再加一次來那部長另外一個部分我們在這次方案裡面是很明定這件事情好所以說三年有一個持續加薪的機制是就保障這個員工如果說在旅宿業的話他可以持續 |
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增加他的收入嘛另外一個部分就是怎麼樣監督確實有加薪我們會依照他的薪資單還是勞保會在我們的系統裡面在勞保裡面來去確認我們會確認他有比方說他這個企業如果需要10個增加的名額他就要挑10個相對低薪的勞工就是低薪的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
495.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
519.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
比較低薪的來加薪那我們看到有加薪以後才能確保他這個名額所以說有先有確認他的一個加薪的部分那可能他就變是說他報他的薪資單或是說他的勞保申請如果沒有加到的話我們如果沒有加他是假加薪的話反正就是他申請填完了之後我們會所以這樣本身理解一下我們會有一個申請機制有意願的飯店業者他來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
520.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
548.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
登錄申請機制並且提供相關的文件確實他有加薪了他才可以取得名額就是我們會檢核然後如果他是假加薪或他沒有做到加薪的話我們就會撤銷他的名額所以說他一定是先加完薪並且檢附相關的文件讓我們勞動部這邊確認之後他才可以取得一個聘請外勞的名額我們會來檢核這件事情你會檢核那一樣我們會定期的來檢核你會定期檢核所以一開始的申請咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
550.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
574.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
對一開始申請會有一次的確認機制然後也會有定期的檢核我們會定期的檢核那如果他也就是說他如果做假那就是廢掉他這個名額對然後確保這個有加薪的事實達成是所以如果說未來假設他先申請到我們也會不定期的集合因為變成是有多少申請的飯店業你其實是可以掌握的嘛是對不對你會有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
575.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
596.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
譬如說用這樣子辦法來申請的飯店業的名單是那業者名單裡面你可能不定期會集合抽查那如果說抽查集合那如果說裡面還有一些飯店業者他可能比較真的99%一定都是符合我們法規但如果說1%他又把它調回來或甚至說他就讓那加薪的員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
597.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
624.228 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
離職等等那我們會取消他的我們就會按比例取消他的這個名額等於是說我們就是要確保一定是先保障本國勞工才有聘請外國外籍員工這是我們政策設計的原意好但是設計的原意沒有錯所以說本席也在這邊就教您是說到底我們的集合以及落實的方案是什麼所以現在目前都有想到這些部分我們會有查核的機制當然那未來等政策上路之後我們也要一一來檢視好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
625.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
626.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
好 謝謝黃孟凱委員發言 |