| IVOD_ID |
165304 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165304 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T11:38:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T11:46:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3fdec0088524db931b3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5c00ff06c9c86dfe3d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:50 - 11:46:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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來有請邱主委請邱主委議員好主委我想要講一下就是台灣跟歐洲的狀況那台灣面臨的狀況那講一下韌性那另外講一下戰爭什麼是戰爭那臨日攻擊裡面有一句名言戰爭早就開始了那有什麼戰呢 |
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以社群方面來講的話有認知作戰我等一下舉抖音為例那以法律方面來講的話聯合國的2758決議那世界各國包含美國包含歐洲議會包含加拿大對2758號的決議的反應是什麼那包含我們立法院針對 |
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台灣的國會針對國會議員在言論上被中國恐嚇這個恐嚇戰這個內容是什麼我覺得我們都必須要來跟國人來說明清楚主委你認同嗎我剛講的這些各種形態的這些作戰其實中國對台工作人員主委大概有多少人 |
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從事統戰的對台工作人員我們過去有做一個除了解放軍之外中國大陸從他條條塊塊各機關就要涉及台灣人的事務如果負責有統戰任務我們有學者推估有60萬人次我上一次的資訊是40到60萬沒有錯如果60萬人次的話平均是一個人來負責四個台灣人到五個台灣人就可以了對不對是這麼說 |
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那很可怕那所以他不會只有在軍事上他還有法律上我先從2758號決議裡面那中國單方面擴大解釋聯合國2758號決議的內容那各世界各國的國會做了什麼事情歐洲議會是說要求歐盟的外交機經濟要嚇阻中國而且認為這個是過度的解讀 |
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加拿大眾議會也在2024年11月通過眾議院將繼續支持台灣有意參加國際組織 |
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那在英國的下議會也就是英國的國會在2024年11月也對未確立中華人民共和國對台主權並且否定北京對聯大2758號的決議的扭曲那美國聯邦眾議會也強調2758號決議並未處理台灣及台灣人民在聯合國的代表權的問題 來 |
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世界各國的國會那國會當然這是一個這些都是民主國家的國會都對2758號有這一個解釋而且是針對中國的片面的解釋那我們的立法院我們做不到因為從去年開始立法院藍白多數我們一直提議要通過這一個對中國錯誤解讀的決議文我們希望有一個台灣版本但是我們的立法院做不到相同的 |
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賴總統要建議韓國瑜院長國會議員被中共通緝發布全球通緝國會議長應該有個態度吧做不到來 主委是 更委員報告我想中共的跨國鎮壓不管是針對我們國家的公務人員或者是我們國軍官兵還是沈伯陽委員 |
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他這個就是針對台灣集體的一種脅迫比如說他企圖透過跨國鎮壓來對台灣進行恫嚇跟分化那我們反而要團結在一起一致對外我們反而要我相信國人會團結在一起讓我們更有韌性來對抗他們要更有韌性來對抗他們但是我們自己立法院沒有辦法做成多數的決議這裡我表示非常的遺憾那接下來我還要講 |
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中國國民黨主席他去參拜無時就是當時在國民政府的將領他來到台灣在1950年被槍決但是他是用白色恐怖的名義去 |
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去祭拜他那其實當時有很多因為國民黨政權他想要抓的一些知識分子他把他一概而論併到這裡面來同時在TikTok 在抖音 |
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那在或者是連輸的reels也出現了大量的當初的包含這些中國間諜等等的這一些非常感人的故事其實大量出現在這些短片裡面的其實在這一次中國國民黨的選舉當主席的選舉裡面我相信 |
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被抖音影響的程度還是滿高的那我希望陸委會這個相關的機關也要有相關的這些研究跟一些想法 |
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那其實從這些不管是臉書Meta其實他的前執行長在民視的社群裡面那也對於中國的言論的控管跟台灣的用戶的管控其實都有提出一些指控現在還沒有被證實但是我相信我們這些臉書的流量包含更嚴重的TikTok的這些演算法 |
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嚴重影響 嚴重想要引導就是認知作戰的部分那我想陸委會在極少的資源底下我們還是要對民眾來做出這一些提醒是 我們會全力的來盡陸委會的能量來做社會提醒包括您剛剛提到錄製APP包括中國大陸的小紅書包括像新加坡的TikTok或是抖音 |
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那這些呢可能都有竊取我們各自的疑慮其實我覺得竊取各自這是個人必須要很注意的一點之外內容對內容呢它可能會用這個管道來混淆我們國內的團結製造我們的分裂甚至用來借選介入我們自由民主憲政的運作所以會帶來國安的風險 |
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那這個部分呢我想我們跟各部會都在積極演繹我們有沒有能力來做這一個反制我想我們最近都在跟各部會討論我們不能只說你不要看你這個內容這可能會竊取你的個資等等我們要有能力來 |
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反制這些大量的認知作戰這個認知作戰透過中資的APP來擴大對台灣人心的混淆製造我們的矛盾影響我們的自由民主的生活方式這一點非常嚴重所以這個部分相關部門正在研討積極的防範措施 |
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來立法來規範這就是我們努力的方向回到我剛開頭的那句話戰爭早就開始了不管是社群戰、認知戰、心理戰、法律戰戰爭早就開始了全民必須要有韌性來防衛是謝謝謝謝謝謝李博 |