| IVOD_ID |
165302 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165302 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T11:20:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T11:30:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe38c6ae0158878c09cb3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5cf0fba3fac4fb75495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:49 - 11:30:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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謝主席 麻煩請入委會主委請求主委議員好主委好 先跟主委請教一下先按照入委會的規定有很多教職公立的教職要去大陸事先要許可然後事後回來也要詳述他行程的狀況對不對 |
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跟委員他只要符合請假程序那如果當然那個學校主管要兼任行政職我知道其中是有包括國中小的教學組長跟文書組長也都一樣對不對是只要有兼任行政職因為他們就是被以前針對公務機關大概公務人員是檢證實質等以上才還需要報備嘛 |
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跟委員報告 我們的法律講得很清楚除了這個十一指等以上的要內政部許可沒有涉密的這個十一指等以下的基層公務人員都要經過這個內政部他有一個作業要點必須要由主管機關來同意才能附入同意是準價還是說因為他是去大陸所以才要許可 |
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要附入同意附入同意以前就要嗎以前這是現行規定現行規定都要對一直都要是那為什麼最近忽然間特別要再拿出來強調跟委員報告是這樣因為過去我們各機關沒有在管在落實他有些機關重視有些機關落實那有機關他就比較忽視也沒有重視那 |
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所以我們被監察院糾正我覺得這個部分因為可能之前就如你所講的啦大家沒有很重視原因是什麼因為這個規定很無聊嘛你看以前是規定說十一值等以上要去嘛那十一值等以下也要報告那你具體把它講出來像我看到連什麼國中小教學組長他們的值等校長國小校長才九值等啊組長可能八值等啊他們去也都要經過許可 |
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那這種許可依依許可依依在哪裡嘛那種感覺上好像他很怕他們去洩密還是就是把人家當很不尊重嘛如果他是一個老師他可能就去玩而已啊然後現在要暑假然後對岸有一些風景不錯要去看一看然後又要許可然後什麼又很怕說被點名做記號乾脆不要去對岸了那就去其他國家 |
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我覺得這個規定很無聊如果說是規定版就在那邊只是之前沒有執行那也反映出這個規定很無聊嘛大家才覺得不需要執行那既然這個事情被浮出檯面大家討論我甚至覺得說這個應該要放寬啦放在兩岸條例第九條這個應該是要這應該是要放寬否則的話連老師這種可能八子等組長都要被 |
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約束去玩一下都要被說要要學我我覺得太嚴格了啦好這個是可以考慮放寬然後第二個請教一下陸委會明年預算是本來今年是8億多嘛明年要變到10億4千多萬增加2億是吧 |
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跟委員報告因為今年的預算被立法院刪的幅度是陸委會創會以來最大的我們但也感謝我們後續的這個解凍預算跟追加減沒有啦我問你是不是嘛我跟你確定客觀事實而已啦差距很大是因為刪得太厲害了差距很大但是你實際上去檢視陸委會的內容我發現很多都跟抗中保台有關 |
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譬如說要增進青少年嗜讀大陸的智能啊要強化大陸人事來台的管制啊反制認知作戰現在陸委會幾乎都在考抗中保台比較多啦等於我們大概十億裡面很大一部分都在搞抗中保台那有一些部分我覺得你的業務已經跟其他單位都有點重複了譬如說 |
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你說增進青少年試讀大陸智能這本來教育部說要做他要編試讀大陸的教材那這不就跟你的一樣嗎是 他有時候會請我們協助我們很願意跟他們一起配合再來就是陸委會出國像去年出國七次有五次去美國去美國是要幹嘛你們去美國跟委員報告我們去美國次數沒那麼多了像我們這兩年我們是單一年去一次我不是說你啦 我說整個陸委會啦 |
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根據決算報告出國七次有五次去美國跟委員報告國際社會對我們台海的風險對中國大陸對於我們怎麼處理兩岸問題他們都高度興趣所以經常到陸委會來做參訪王委員會邀我們去做回訪所以陸委會現在主要去美國也是在了解兩岸局勢多艱困 |
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大陸對我們的威脅啊陸委會現在都在做這些事情就對了我們爭取美方對於我們兩岸政策的支持是非常重要的我們現在陸委會啊你看那個預算的分配啊跟之前陸委會啊成立的目的啊已經完全不一樣名稱都叫陸委會做的事情已經完全不一樣就是現在是主要以康州保台國安為主啊那既然是這樣我問你一個時事的問題因為最近大家都很痛恨那個詐騙集團嘛那太子集團 |
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最近也引爆話題那其中這兩天我看到有國安人士對媒體放話就說他可能是大陸統戰的一部分因為中國大陸援助柬埔寨兩億多美金裡面有一億七千萬是由太子集團付給柬埔寨那這部分陸委會的掌握是怎樣 |
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根文報告我有問過同仁對這個案子跟陸委會有沒有關包括是不是有大陸籍的人員入境我們有協助這個案子我們會裡面都沒有就是說毫無所惜沒有透過兩岸人士我剛剛是講說他被國安人士認為是同戰因為他協助中國大陸去 |
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去對柬埔寨外交嘛補助2億多嘛其中1億多是經過太子集團這國安人士講的啦媒體的報導這兩天應該因為你們現在都在搞抗中保台對於這樣的訊息應該就算你們業務之一了 |
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所以你的掌握是怎樣我們對這個案子完全沒掌握我沒有關注但是跟我們關係不大因為我問了同仁現在陸委會的定位真的很奇怪真的是非常奇怪就是說以前大家認為陸委會是負責兩岸關係兩岸關係當然越好越正常越好陸委會的業績應該是越好 |
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現在陸委會這一塊完全放掉都在委員不是這樣我們還是希望兩岸能夠交流你希望我們也是保護你是用祈禱的沒有沒有沒有我們用具體的作為我剛剛講從講預算講你現在業務的重點然後講到你們做的事情其實看得出來 |
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現在沒有在做什麼希望兩岸關係好的事情主要都是在防止中共認知作戰啊 制毒大陸制人都在抗中保台嘛那既然你都要搞抗中保台你就變成國安的一部分我們對中共對於我們的各種複合性的施壓我們不能視而不見所以我說現在這個就是你的重點嘛可是如果說這是你的重點那對於國人比較關心的比如說詐騙集團假設是中共跟中共有關那這部分你們應該要很早就要掌握啊因為你的主要業務之一啊 |
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然後如果你們早點掌握體會國安單位那國人就不會搞不好就很多人不用受害啊因為因為他總共被扣45億啊對不對那所以你如果你如果也會正式你如果我要轉型成的抗中保台的一線作戰單位 |
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那也是民進黨政府也是尊重你們嘛但是那你要做一些民眾關心的事啊是委員你講的很重要就是被詐騙我們兩岸都有詐騙的問題要解決所以就是在共同打擊犯罪這方面我們跟對岸共同來解決詐騙的問題我們還是持續透過管道再跟對岸來呼籲一起查判犯罪我覺得做得不夠啦 |
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至少我剛剛講的那個案例你就說你沒掌握嘛就是那個個案太子集團那就是最近大家最關心的案例啊你就沒有掌握但是跟陸委會的職權是目前是沒有相關可能是外交部比較陸委會的職權都是你不斷的延伸的你擴張的對不對 |
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什麼增進這個都是你延伸的嘛很多都是你延伸出來所以你現在變成抗中保台單位啊以前我們對陸委會認知也不是啊沒有我們是守護陸委會我們也維護台海的國平穩定那你既然你現在想要做這一塊那你就要可能國人關心的東西你也要幫忙負擔一點嘛是是好謝謝謝謝謝謝葉元之委員 |