| IVOD_ID |
165296 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165296 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:27:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:37:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe312b0db6cf2e66c4cb3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5c0a24d4c92cf601975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:01 - 10:37:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進有請陸委會的邱主委請邱主委賴委員好你好 我簡單幾個問題想請教這個有關於沈伯陽被通緝的事情 |
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兩岸的事情不是賴總統要出面嗎或者你要想一想反制怎麼賴給韓國瑜呢 這很奇怪這邏輯非常奇怪啊這個憲法明明規定兩岸的事務是總統管的怎麼會 |
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我請教你如果會有沒有反制的一些方案類似這個事情是 跟委員報告對於中共的跨境鎮壓不管是對沈博洋還是對於我們國軍官兵還是對於服務在我們政府體系的這種恫嚇 |
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第一個要展現我們國人團結一心反擊這個中共的立場第二個我們也呼籲我們還是要強調問題的本質他就是來恫嚇跟分化我們所以我們要跟國人說他沒有管轄權我們國人不受到 |
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任何的拘束所以我們國人都是安全的但是出國去旅遊這部分我們會跟外交部門來合作避免風險對於赴陸港澳我們也呼籲國人要審慎評估他的安全性畢竟我們從去年到現在已經有233個個案因為刑方不明因為 |
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法律被他限制的人身自由所以是呼籲大家不要去港澳囉不是要不是不要去要審慎評估好啦因為我實在是你不用講太多形容詞了齁這個你處理兩岸是不是依據中華民國憲法及兩岸人民關係條例來處理 |
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這是我們的基本的法律原則那這樣子的話是不是同意兩岸我們主權互不成立 主不承認 治權互不否認這句話你同意不同意跟委員報告 是當然我們彼此的主權互不隸屬主權互不承認嘛 我說主權互不承認 治權互不否認這句話你同意嗎 |
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但是他開始否認啊不是 你同意嗎 我問你嘛 你不要管他嘛你啊 呦呦呦我只是強調我們中華民國是個主權國家台灣從來沒有被中華人民共和國統治過你還是沒有回答我啊我說 主權互不承認兩岸 互不地屬是客觀現實跟台海現狀如果你同時一句話朝野就有很多共識的基礎了主權 兩岸就是主權互不承認治權互不否認你同意嗎 |
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我是不同意因為在2019年元月二號習五條他重新定義了這個所謂的九二共識現在他主政他強勢力跟過去這個習以前的這些領導人完全不同我們是說 |
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中華民國跟中華人民共和國互不隸屬如果你主張一邊一國那陸委會可以裁掉啦陸委會可以裁掉啦陸委會的成立宗旨是跟大陸交流啊對不對我們願意交流啊但是我不能說我願意跟你交流我中華民國就不存在了當然要存在啊 是啊但是他現在的一中原則九二共識就是沒有中華民國存在的空間啊委員你也可以去問對岸 |
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在你們的框架裡面我們有存在的空間嗎請問你喔是陸委會不是國防部啊不是戰爭部啊這個你每天喊打喊殺什麼陸委會主委這樣子做的態度呢你要看一看你們海基會兩位大長官坐在那裡他們也希望交流啊我們希望對等尊嚴跟他們也希望交流跟中國大陸進行健康有序的交流你有沒有安排 |
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有沒有在努力 最少最少讓海基會的董事長或者秘書長跟海協會的會長或者他的秘書長見面 有沒有 |
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跟委員報告我們都在努力突破什麼時候有機會但是中共的僵化思維跟負面作為以目前看起來困難但是我們都在努力突破這是一個很重要的指標你不方便跟宋濤見面但是吳董事長如果跟江志軍會長如果能見面那兩岸就是很大的突破了 |
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就是功勞一件啊我們也呼籲對岸要解放思想 實事求治不是 人家問你要不要啊 你也不要啊我們願意啊只要他在對等尊嚴 我們都願意啊我們樂見吳董事長赴陸去做交流啊不這樣子啊 你看喔 你看喔 |
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你現在來講對我們去大陸我這裡這個沒有時間講太多了最多的是103年104年那時候還是馬英九執政到500多萬現在呢來台的旅客只有剩100多萬 |
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然後呢我們去大陸的原來500多萬現在剩兩三百萬大概250萬左右所以可見的在民進黨執政底下兩岸是緊縮的兩岸是緊張的我們都知道兩岸要和平一方面我們備戰 |
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背戰我們絕對支持讓台灣有一定的國防能力沒有人反對但是要避戰的避戰就看你啊結果你現在不是啊你本來是潤滑劑你這個陸委會應該是一個潤滑劑讓兩岸交流可以避戰結果你現在把自己戰狼化沒有跟委員報告其實最 |
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需要交流的是陸委會的主張我們需要有健康有序的交流沒有統戰的交流我們也在積極推動兩岸人流的良性互動的交流現在陸委會的觀點裡面我們看了半天你就把交流定為統戰怎麼啪 怎麼啪這樣不是 我們要降低統戰的這種對台灣的傷害如果你按照你的講法所有的交流都是統戰沒有 沒有這回事我舉例 比如說 |
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為什麼你讓大陸的學者沒有辦法來台灣你禁止他來台灣跟委員報告這就是天大的冤枉是中國大陸的機構不同意他們的學者來交流我們對於兩岸最理性的人我們都希望透過這個 |
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對準交流你核准他來都是比如說他機票是後天結果明天沒有這回事我們對於正常健康有序的正向交流我們都願意提供必要的協助最後一點現在請問我們去大陸的紙航店有幾點目前原有的5個之外再加上10個目前是15個紙航店最多的時候幾個店最多有50個50幾個 |
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你可不可以增加一點我們在評估我們也希望最主要是兩岸的人流不多尤其對岸來的人太少因為你不給他來我們願意來是他不願意跟我們努力合作 |
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我們的人去年去277萬如果加港澳有加402萬他們才來46萬扣掉從第三地的11萬他來不到30萬所以委員 |
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我們是277萬過去 加港澳有402萬這個難道少嗎 他們不來 這是他們所製造的問題啊很多是你技術卡關啊 是他們不願意放人來大陸的大學教授很想來 可是都被你卡關了 |
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沒有 這絕對不是事實那委員如果有一些卡關的案子你跟我們講是歸咎於我們你跟我們講幾乎都卡關 因為你核准都是都沒有 跟委員報告我們就希望透過兩岸理性的學者能夠到一起來溝通最後一句話 陸委會我們兩岸要和平 備戰必戰 |
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我們一起努力不要只有備戰不必戰我們現在備戰是理應主委會把自己戰狼化這是一個很大的問題我們不是戰狼我們是務實面對 |
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你可以看你剛才從回答很多委員都是說我這個那個這個那個框框條條框框太多你就是把自己戰狼化如果把自己戰狼化真的如果可以拆掉他成立的宗旨就是要兩岸交流 |
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兩岸交流是最大的宗旨結果現在你要交流設了很多的門檻框框條條沒有門檻那門檻就是要維護我們避免被統戰滲透又來這句話了交流就怕統戰對自己這麼沒有信心我們可以統戰他們啊他們來看我們的抗議節目多好啊對不對每天可以冒政府官員他們多羨慕啊我們統戰他們啊 |
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我們統戰他們 怎麼怕被統戰呢奇怪 讓他來 我們統戰他們你就丟好 謝謝委員 |