| IVOD_ID |
165295 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165295 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:13:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:26:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe366bdcaa809d3873bb3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5c0a24d4c92cf601975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:28 - 10:26:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝趙委是不是請邱主委請邱主委 謝謝陳委員好邱主委好 上個禮拜大概陸委會召集的金門馬祖地區這個旅遊局有去說明了也就是公務人員赴大陸金門馬祖的公務人員赴大陸很像回來去的時候要報備回來也要填寫報告有沒有這回事 |
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跟委員報告這個是我們依照現行的法律規範訂出來的這些機制就是公務人員復入當然要請假好 我簡單講現在兩岸人民關係條例裡面有規定十一指等還有警監三階還有社民人員 政務人員 |
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這些人員是需要的那10億之等以下的公務員是不需要的這裡面有講的不在此限規定的很清楚啊我看過一遍 |
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各位把資料也提供給我了對 跟委員報告我們分三大塊是不是這樣第一大塊就是涉密人員 政務人員還有政務官 縣市首長這個還有這些人一般的公務人員不要嘛沒有 要經過機關的同意沒有啊 完成請假程序第九條裡面沒有啊我們內政部有訂我們內政部的一些要點你給我的兩岸關係條例第九條裡面沒有啊 |
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兩岸條例有授權內政部有定職法沒有啊我們是不是給委員已經給我資料了嘛資料裡面並沒有這一條有給委員了那你們的兩岸人民關係條例跟內政部定的有抵觸的話誰的大誰的小 |
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跟委員報告我們是兩岸條例授權那內政部來定時事細則那確實他有說一定要經過主管機關的同意就是要完成請假的程序好 第二個就是金門馬祖已經也做過國防部做過B級推演了現在金門地區的兩棲偵察連已經移防到澎湖去了有沒有這回事 |
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跟委員報告這不在陸委會的權責範圍我們沒辦法回答那現在他們兵推的結果到最後我們目前金門馬祖的兵力大概只有一點點啦不足以防衛啦那一共兩岸交戰我請問金門馬祖獨立作戰是適同放棄嗎跟委員報告我想這個 |
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我們當然是從陸委會的政策當然是維護不管是台海的和平穩定或者是金馬的這些安全我們都不希望兩岸兵戎相向我也希望啦希望歸希望啦現在我們已經在朝著戰爭的方向在走我想兩岸勢必一戰我目前的看法是這樣因為什麼呢因為你步入烏克蘭的後塵嘛 |
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你不停的加強你的軍備嘛那對岸呢 軍備 你說實在話你買再多的軍備他要吃你的話 你也跑不掉啦那麼今天的陸委會的工作報告大概是這樣啦滾動檢討兩岸法令 健康有序交流第二個是強化兩岸的交流機構機構交流第三個是依法行政 落實兩岸的 |
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單一身份制度也就是最近你們在推動的戶籍單一制度第四是大陸配偶家庭保障第五海基會的服務效能第六就是風險的評估我想請問陸委會跟海基會目前在做什麼事情就做這個事嗎當然那是有關於交流的風險不可能健康有序交流啦剛才你也講了嘛他有他的想法你有你的想法 |
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兩個是平行線啦不可能有所交集啦那麼這樣下去的話您大陸委員會跟海基會目前在幹什麼跟委員報告我們現在的跟對岸的文教或者各種專業交流商務人士的玩法還是非常的多啦 |
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您說官方嗎我們願意啊是他們設置障礙啊你說健康有序嗎不可能這樣兩個是平行線嘛一直在做備戰的準備啦他如果沒有設立政治前提的障礙我們很願意溝通備戰就是戰爭的開始 |
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我們遭遇到中共對我們的軍機建造台我們要自我防衛啊現在已經這樣了 你防衛吧 你防衛的了嗎是不是 你是一個小學生 我是一個大學生我今天要打你 我打你就是打你嘛 還有什麼理由的咧我今天就要揍你一頓嘛 有理由嗎 沒有理由嘛 |
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總委報告我們面對中共複合性的施壓你講的話四平八穩啦軍區電腦台我們不可能沒有作為啊你懂了沒有好我想問你最近馬祖也發生一些船長這個有關勾那個漁網的事情嘛把我們那個中華二號啊海欄弄斷了他們人怎麼回去還有五個人還沒回去人球丟在馬祖移民署的管轄 |
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監獄裡面 牢裡面還有五個人這些人準備怎麼回去我已經跟對岸溝通現在發了一個單一的一次性的大通證已經出來了那你們會不會朝著這個管道沒關係你們走不動那我們明天來走嘛 是不是 |
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是 委員謝謝喔 那個五個人是戴遣法只要完成司法程序戴遣法多久了 已經幾年了這個我們必須要尊重司法你不要戴遣法啦 對不對中華民國不見了 你還在那邊戴遣法他就不要你遣法啦他直接來把你人帶走啦所以我們尊重司法程序我們如果有機會我們就會來遣法聽不下去了啦他們是黨領導槍啊還什麼司法不司法的 |
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委員我們是文明法治的國家跟他們不一樣你沒有錯嘛今天你是小學生我是大學生我要打你就是要打你我要罵你就是罵你你不准我回嘴你回嘴我就揍你就這麼回事啊現在整個世界局勢環境的現實就是這樣嘛你說怎麼辦呢好我因為時間關係我繼續問你現在我們人民可以去大陸我們老百姓每個去大陸要去四川去重慶哪裡今天我要買了機票坐飛機走了嘛 |
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大陸人民不能過來 什麼意思跟委員報告沒有團進團出嘛 是不是不是 我們正在透過觀光小兩會跟他們談談了沒有談了沒有只能到金門馬祖嗎只能到金門馬祖 台灣能不能進來 |
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477.497 |
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台灣還是需要透過小兩會的溝通這健康有序我答得比你快啦不是健康有序要先溝通完再進來好溝通多久了我們從二月給他喊什麼二月今年二月給他喊溝通三年多了我們在看啦疫情以後不准人家進來他們想來欸你們不准他來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
490.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
500.135 |
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我們希望觀光小兩會能夠先溝通再讓他們來把過去的觀光亂象說停就停的問題把它解決掉各位跟誰溝通跟誰溝通我們跟對岸的海旅會那個對岸的觀光小兩會海旅會有溝通嗎海基會有溝通嗎不是是台旅會跟對岸觀光小兩會有沒有溝通有 目前我們就我們目前就給他喊希望他趕快積極的回應你的喊已經擺在那裡躺在那裡我知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
543.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
他連看都不看你一眼啦你擺在那裡幹什麼囉你要跟他健康有序要我中華民國跟你中華人民共和國對談他不跟你談嘛如果他們那麼粗暴那麼野蠻還讓他們來觀光而完全沒有設防你讓他來觀光嘛連觀光都不允許現在只有商務可以來啊我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
545.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
567.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
如果在國家安全的前提下我們恢復兩岸觀光交流也是我們的政策你慢慢國家安全嘛等到濱林沉下你還在那邊講那麼安全還在講國家安全這個沒有不健康嘛是不是你起碼把人先給他放進來嘛我們的人可以去他們人不可以來這什麼話只能到金門馬祖還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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595.336 |
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金門那邊以後已經一百多萬人到那邊觀光了馬祖兩三千個人你們視而不見了管還是不管我們當然也很關切為什麼到金門的人比較穩定到馬祖的人比較少那當然跟這個馬祖的觀光資源的形態有關那我們也希望我很不想看你的預算說真的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
但是你們兩百多個人放在那邊幹什麼就是那些健康有序啊對牛談情啊無病呻吟就是搞這些事情嗎是不是跟委員報告我們同仁我想耳朵非常的審柏洋委員的事情現在只有韓國瑜能守護他嗎守護台灣我們同仁盡了大量的努力大家看得到他你也很努力大家都很努力那呼口號嘛 |
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638.46 |
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中華民國萬歲萬萬歲在呼口號我們職責所在 依法行政同仁們都進了很多的 做了很多重要的工作主委 你今天這個齁 還有海基會海基會預算要不要刪今天的反對黨不跟你玩什麼統三百分之三 一條一條來 |
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654.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
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衛生紙絕對不刪 汽油不刪 租賃費不刪你說水電費不夠 絕對不會刪你的刪你什麼 你們這些人養在那邊幹什麼養那麼多人幹什麼你說預算不應該凍結嗎 應該要凍結嘛你說該不該凍結 起碼凍結你一半還對你客氣把人凍結了以後怎麼辦 這些都是編制內的人員你們海基會 海協會 本身的編制組織 |
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696.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
你們的功能架構不用檢討嗎所以請你回去啊五月夢回拜託您不要再繼續的健康有序交流好不好健康有序交流啊非常的不健康而且不務實際好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
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跟委員報告 陸委會的工作同仁都非常的努力都在守護台灣 捍衛我們國家主權安全我知道很努力啊 沒有功能嘛你不能說這個是沒功能這樣對我們同仁不公平啊我長不出苗來 因為我不懂 |
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因為我不懂啊面對中共對於我們複合性的施壓步步進逼我們不能沒有作為守護台灣是我們最重要的事情你這靠老美嘛還什麼作為呢今天講白了一點講穿了就這麼回事嘛老美敢你把你賣掉的時候你就完了啦是不是這樣我們今天已經在逐漸步入備戰你要告訴全國的民眾喔我們已經在備戰我們在東引 |
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馬祖東引地區部署的雄風飛彈 天空飛彈雄風雄二飛彈是針對海峽的天空飛彈針對空中的一旦低級的時候 我們整個東引島毀滅你有沒有幫我們東引想一想要不要給老百姓戰爭風險的補償費我覺得我們整個政府要去想一想最先死的 死的最快的就是我們馬祖的東引你有想一想嗎 |
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所以兩岸的領導人喔真的好好去思考一下不要身臨土炭好不好陸委會做你的事情我不會砍你的預算啦基於你跟我兩個人的交情喔我不會砍你的預算但你不能長此以往下去啊你不能每天在那邊健康有序要幹什麼你替陸委會整個維護我我很了解啦我弟弟本身也在陸委會服務過嘛但是不可以這樣一直下去啦好不好謝謝啦謝謝委員謝謝 |
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好 |