| IVOD_ID |
165293 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165293 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T09:57:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:05:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3ce5c8d4b3e7730bab3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5cd7dcd980b23cef445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:18 - 10:05:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席啊我們請我們的陸委會邱主委邱主委 |
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許委好邱主委好邱主委我想昨天我們賴清德總統喊話韓國瑜院長應該要聲援沈博洋那一時之間其實我們都有點錯亂怎麼會現任的總統對於這樣的兩岸事務沒有擔當而是要立法院的院長出來解決是不是代表說現在的總統他沒有能力解決兩岸的問題所以要 |
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韓國瑜院長出來處理呢是跟委員報告我想總統的意思是因為要團結國人的意志來共同反對中國這種跨境鎮壓不管是對我們國會議員還是對國人的恫嚇與分化我們應該團結一致不分朝野一般人的感受不是這樣所以我在這邊有個建議啦其實我們在立法院有可以成立一個叫立法院兩岸事務因應對策小組 |
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來去因應像這樣的事情所以那是由誰擔任召集人是由韓國瑜院長擔任召集人那既然行政體系沒有辦法賴清德總統覺得他沒辦法做到那我們是不是可以來成立一個立法院兩岸事務因應對策小組來去因應這相關的事宜呢我們尊重貴院的決定所以主委也贊成囉 |
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也贊成這樣的兩岸事務其實是可以由立法院這邊來行政體系做不好所以由立法院來處理囉是這樣嗎我想大院是 |
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最主要的民意代表機關如果不分朝野團結一致來一致對外兩岸的事務賴清德總統沒有辦法處理所以要由立法院來處理要不然怎麼會第一時間是喊話我們韓國瑜院長要出來因為沈委員是大院的委員沈委員是不是中華民國的國民也是中華民國的總統是誰 |
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我們也強調既然主委也同意我們也希望今天針對省委員其實他是對全體國民的集體吸引如果陸委會也覺得說應該目前你們也沒辦法處理行政體制沒辦法處理那就由我們立法院是不是來處理那當然接下來要請教的是陸委會的主委就是明年的APEC比較特別他會在大陸的深圳舉行 |
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那其實現在他已經也這個北京方面公開宣誓說必須接受一中原則作為前提那這是過去從來沒有出現過的爭執框架意味著台灣如果接受就要在國際場合放棄主權那如果拒絕就可能遭到中國已主辦方的身份直接封殺而且明年的這個APEC的深圳在深圳舉行我方 |
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之前你們的副主委有開一個記者會說會努力堅守台灣的會員國地位與尊嚴 |
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那APEC當然不是只是一個經濟平台也是一個外交舞台所以每一次的與會其實都是對台灣尊嚴的考驗但是光是說堅守尊嚴容易真正做到卻很難所以請教邱主委針對陸方所提出的一中原則的前提陸委會是不是已經準備好了是不是有掌握中方的盤算跟紅線 |
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跟委員報告我們跟中國大陸都是APEC的正式會員過去APEC的場域不存在中共所謂的一中原則所以面對這樣的無理打壓跟他過去 |
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所以我請教你你們是不是已經有了對策他說對所有的會員國都不歧視原則這部分我知道但我的意思是我們一直講說我們堅守尊嚴這是必要的但是作為是什麼我現在要請教您 |
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目前因為明年度的在深圳的EPIC還有很多的不確定性那我們會協助主管機關做好各種審慎評估我們都有在為未來做審慎評估那你們有沒有針對最壞情境的狀況之下實施Plan B的計畫呢 |
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是 我們都不排除 我們都會審慎評估我想現在已經向美國國務院 就向中國表達沒有所謂的這個一中原則來處理我們的參與我想邱主委 我們要的是一個清楚的答覆而不是像這樣子很空泛的一個政治的這個發言我覺得陸委會既然針對這個算是明年的事情 |
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可是這個姿勢體大非常的重要所以陸委會應該要提前因應不管是跟我們其他各部會大家共同來研商我們針對這樣的問題要如何解決我們已經積極因應了當然在103年的時候APEC也在北京舉行那當時呢中方沒有依慣例派出特使來遞送我們的邀請函而是由國台辦的副主任當時的龔清蓋副主任出面那這樣子的做法這個梁文傑副主委說這個 |
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103年的做法是矮化我們中方的表現那明年會在深圳舉行那如果到時候他們所派第一個也沒有派特使第二個可能比這個台辦副主任更低的層級來去遞送這個邀請函請問要怎麼回應 |
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我想必須依照國際慣例過去APEC的一些慣例來向我方遞出邀請函對 但103年的時候就沒有嘛103年的時候國台辦的副主任那現在請教如果這個時候他們給的成績可能更低可能連國台辦的副主任都沒有也沒有特使的狀況之下你是不是已經跟外交部協調訂出我方對於對方遞送這個邀請函的成績 |
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稱為會議接待跟代表安排的一個底線呢是我們會努力爭取我們參與以及剛剛說的必須要來跟我們遞件符合過去APEC這個國際觀念好那如果沒有這樣的一個做法的話那到底請問主委他們來的時候如果層級更低的話你們是接還是不接那個這個就是違反他過去主辦 |
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這個時候對國際社會所說不歧視原則的違反對那您是接還是不接那個還沒有發生的問題我們會我們是要面對對你要去設想所有的狀況你不可能是發生之後然後到時候才說好我接或不接現在你就要設想到底如果這樣的狀況我要怎麼做那樣的狀況我要怎麼做嘛對不對是 |
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我們當然跟委員的立場一樣會堅定這個我們的國家的立場跟我們參加國際主委我只是要提醒你的就是說堅守地位跟尊嚴絕對不是口號一定要有作為那所謂的作為你們一定要審慎的評估完善才不能才不會去這個 |
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我們的主權尊嚴的部分絕對不容踐踏那這也是陸委會必須要審慎去評估否則還需要陸委會做什麼是我們會從相關主管機關一起來努力不要認為時間還早時間很快就到了是了解一定要提前的因應是好嗎謝謝謝謝委員 |