| IVOD_ID |
165290 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165290 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T09:34:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T09:40:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe34e2094ae93293b8cb3e5644d9c426883cc7208a858208f5ceffd30bbe266b48c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:34:11 - 09:40:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【11月12日及13日二天一次會】） |
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我先請邱主委有請邱主委莊委員早 |
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主委我剛看你的報告裡面你就說中共一直在國際宣傳一中原則然後推進統一然後宣揚統一之後的好處對不對我們看到的事實也是如此對不對是那我想請問一下如果是外國人要來台灣不管是觀光旅遊或是恰公他拿中國的簽證可以來台灣嗎 |
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我們是接受的包括現在由於中國大陸還不願意讓他的從中國大陸人到台灣來我們還在進行小兩會的協商但是我們操之在我的部分從第三國第三地來的中國大陸籍的他在海外有不是耶 我是說外國人 |
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外國人 外國人拿中國的證件不具有中國身份的人 比如說我是當然歡迎啊 外國人到台灣當然歡迎啊我是單純的 比如說我是單純的加拿大人能夠拿中國的簽證可以來台灣嗎 |
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那他的身份是沒有啊那當然不行囉因為他必須要以外國人的身份來台灣如果說是要有中國大陸的身份我們有一定的我不是講中國的身份喔我不是講我單純的外國人 |
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他沒有中國的身份 他拿中國的簽證可以來台灣嗎拿中國的簽證怎麼來台灣呢可不可以啦 不行不行嘛 你就回答我不行就對了這就不行啦 對不對當然 當然對不對 這一個那我們在台灣在跟美國是不是還在談關稅是 目前還在進行是嘛 也不是跟中國談吧對不對 |
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這個是很明顯的中國他沒有管轄到台灣台灣是一個獨立的主體我們有人民土地政府主權我們有自己的護照我們跟中國在談我們不跟中國我們跟美國在談關稅對不對我國是主權的獨立國家我們行使排他性的管轄權沒錯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
167.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
193.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
中國他雖然一直在國際上推一中但現在大家也都知道我為什麼要特別這樣問人家加拿大就回答他你跟我講一中我拿你的簽證我就不能去台灣這全部人全世界都知道一個最簡單的所以我要請教主委如果他都一直在講一中還有一中各表嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
196.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
214.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
我想從2019年元月二號習五條已經重新定義九二共識兩樣同屬於中共某國家統一統一在一國兩制台灣方案之後我想在中國所提出來的九二共識跟一中原則裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
215.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
239.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
就沒有中華民國生存的空間了沒有嘛 對不對所以九二共識就沒了嘛所謂九二共識一個中國原則沒有個表了可以說是三位一體的對財政策對嘛 已經九二共識已經變位了吧對不對這個已經酸掉了吧操生啊啦跟原來的不是原汁原味嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
240.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
261.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
對不對 是不是這樣是好所以其實很多事情講清楚我們用護照用關稅大家都非常清楚就不用特別再去講了是台灣就是一個主權的國家那中國還是一天到晚吃我們豆腐對不對我不知道主委你現在知不知道有一個高德地圖你知道他是到處矮化台灣台灣變成他的台灣神 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
270.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
289.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我想我們在台灣都會用GPS那中國因為他有不同的系統用高德系統你知不知道有這個地圖有 我們知道你知道嘛那你知道現在有很多人在台灣在網路上在什麼的在替中國在宣 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
291.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
308.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
宣傳這個地圖好用這個怎麼樣你知不知道這些事情我想導航的系統是不是要輸入我們國人的個資使用中國製的APP我也呼籲國人要注意治安的風險它甚至會帶來國安的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
310.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
336.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
所以我想我們的有關機關包括速發部也應該向我們大眾來說明使用這類的中共製的APP它可能帶來資安跟國安的風險應該跟國人來說明除了資安跟國安的風險你個人的資安那還有國安你也說了所以像這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
337.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
364.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我們陸委會你會樂見他在台灣很多人在這邊推廣這個高德地圖嗎當然不樂見而且我們雖然是一個自由的國家但這侵害台灣主權的我們能不能跨部會包括去跟NCC去跟你講這個像這種高德地圖這種的一直矮化台灣的我們不能屏蔽他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
365.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
389.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
是 我想我們對於國人使用這個陸方所這個APP在使用這些通常對委員講的那個問題那我們首先就是用科學的方式來檢視這些APP可能帶來的相關的風險那委員給我們一段時間我們來檢視好 謝謝 |