| IVOD_ID |
16529 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16529 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T12:59:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:28:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db62ae2672450bbbb2ad9f551ce5fa921f7a524d1b3d409a1aaa86c51c18bcb3915ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 12:59:00 |
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謝謝 |
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在這裏面,我們可以看到有很多不同的雕像。這裏面有很多不同的雕像。 |
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這間餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,包括餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳餐廳� |
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這兩邊 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。這間餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。 |
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嗯。 |
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這張圖是在2012年 當時是中國最大的藝術館 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈 |
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辣椒 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
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謝謝觀看 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳。 |
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響鐘 |
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今天是三個好啊好啊好啊我請教一下這個是 |
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問一下,你自己的人,你自己知道嗎?啊,章寶,我也是章寶喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔 |
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特殊比較難看,我要先做個試試看如果是瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗瘋狗 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨栋梁 |
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這裏有個小小的大廈。這裏有個小小的大廈。 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
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好好好好好 |
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這裏是一間餐廳 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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謝謝觀看,下次見 |
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這間餐廳的主要是為了提供餐廳的餐廳服務。 |
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感谢观看 |
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969.65 |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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感谢观看 |
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1342.275 |
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谢谢观看 |
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1668.437 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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請祖密報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員14人已足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上市會議議事錄100年第11屆第三會期經濟委員會第二次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年3月13日星期四9時至12時13分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員邱盈盈等14人列席委員林德福等19人列席人員 |
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公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明暨相關人員主席蔡昭紀委員異議報告事項一 宣讀上次會議事錄決定 確定二 邀請公民教育委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況並備質詢公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明報告後委員邱毅穎等16人提出質詢均由公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明暨相關人員即席答覆決定一 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外 區域經營發言完畢 詢答結束二 位級答覆部分 請相關單位一週內書面答覆並複製本會上會宣讀完畢繼續進行報告事項請宣讀邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況並備質詢宣讀完畢現在請國家委員會劉靜清主委進行業務報告 |
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1896.189 |
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主席各位委員早安今天非常榮幸有機會來委員會進行我們公安會的業務報告我會盡快的簡短的這個報告我們主要的 |
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1897.855 |
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1911.526 |
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業務那2024年我們的這個GDP的成長率是達到4.59是整個亞洲應該是最好的在四小龍裡面是居首位那我們預估今年 |
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1913.027 |
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基礎應該會在3.4%或以上那我們也希望今年能夠有機會挑戰我們的這個人均所得能夠超過三萬五千這是我們今年發展的目標 |
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1946.711 |
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那在我們整個在往下盪裡面從出口我們預估可以增加7%以上主要原因是信心科技的熱絡尤其在AI這個領域帶動了很大的成長那民間的投資的部分我們去年達到了5.3兆那今年我們預估會成長6.18%大概會到5.7兆 |
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1949.614 |
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1964.512 |
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那5.17兆這個數字呢是很有機會應該會如果做到的話會是創歷史新高所以國內的機會是非常好的那尤其台積電在日前也特別宣布在國內的11個廠的設定他進度不會改變 |
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1965.272 |
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1988.171 |
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這也是帶動整個民間投資活絡的很大的原因那當然也國際大廠來台設立這個研發跟資料中心也是帶動的因素那間接帶動的民間消費會成長2.2所以造成我們的GDP還是會有比較穩健的成長跟這個突破那去年來講的話我們大概是4.59優於新加坡4.4韓國的2跟香港的2.5 |
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那在我們新的施政上面我們還是持續在創新均衡人才跟法規鬆綁四個角度那我們在現代無產業的推動裡面我們手中還是半導體的供應鏈韌性這裡面韌性裡面我們衡量台灣已經有三個世界第一了不論在我們這個設計我們是世界第二在製造部分我們是世界第一封裝我們是世界第一 |
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2036.925 |
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那我們希望強化我們在化學材料跟設備部分這兩部分能夠輔導起來那成為台灣是全供應鏈韌性就會變得比較完整那也因此我們在2024年也合訂了國會會X基地在新竹那也同時這是一個半導體共創基地也合訂了這個經濟部先進半導體研發基地那我們也補助了二三個團隊 |
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2038.226 |
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2053.521 |
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AI的部分我們除了成立100億的AI基金之外我們要推動中部成為智慧精密的新核心那我們預計要輔導我們已經輔導了大概AI相關2133家會持續再去擴大那軍工的部分我們 |
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成立了這個無人機的聯盟之外那我們現在是由經濟部主導在民間的部分我們在民雄也成立了無人機的專業區這是居民共用的專業區分兩個區域那這個是讓我們在居民之間都可以去推動我們也即將會考慮設立一個軍工相關的AI房鼓勵更多的年輕人投入這個領域或是專家 |
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另外在安控的部分我們也持續在推動讓我們國家的安全會做得更好再來是次世代通訊我們在低軌道衛星的發展是持續進行我們也積極推動參與6G的實驗在2027年我們還是會希望目標發射我們第一顆衛星 |
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2099.193 |
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那另外在創新創業與零生態系我們這個1500億的投資是沒有改變的那我們還是三大目標第一個生態系的建立第二個擴大投資標的數量再來提高創業成功的機率那我們幾個比較大的事情呢就是第一個我們六大主題是投資的基金成立然後我們正在規劃成立一個COPY VC的聯盟 |
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2138.294 |
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也建立了校園生態系那另外在我們東京在去年成立的新的基地今年1月成立的矽谷基地我們希望嫁接台灣的新創企業跟海外進行對接讓我們的國際化做得更好 |
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那也創造更多的國際化的機會那我們現在其實也積極的推動了很多的心臟師業到美國去受訓尤其在跟伯克萊的這個心臟基地做了很大的往來那也因此伯克萊介紹我們進到了JP Morgan的生態圈裡面也創造了這個 |
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2178.525 |
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我們在Biotech這個領域裡面有很大的發展那另外我們希望有更大的投資量能進到台灣的產業讓我們的未來的發展更好也支持我們GDP的成長所以我們也推動了這個兆元投資台灣的發展計畫我們希望有資金大投資、產業大投資等等 |
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那在這個部分我們已經建立了行政院的一個出餐的小組那將來所有的案員都會進到行政院出餐那目前我們盤點下來有50個案員正在檢討那在法規部分我們也配合這個部分我們也鬆綁了5件那另外幾個在永續債的發展的話我們也在支援這個地方 |
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2202.383 |
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2228.888 |
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這個桃園的社宅或者是捷運 我們進行這個永續在的發行 永續在發行會讓資金成本低於連帶 另外我們也支持經濟部ASCO相關的這個這個部分讓這個投資保險業者可以進到ASCO的領域共同一起協助台灣做好節能減碳的部分那另外在我們產業創新的這個這個資金帶動的活水裡面我們也 |
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2229.688 |
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2258.207 |
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也有大概我們AI的產業我們有110家的投資超過20億那醫療創新我們投資6家大概1.5億那我們也成立了一個企業再造基金我們希望透過企業再造基金去協助台灣的產業翻轉尤其是上市櫃公司ROE比較偏低的我們希望把它調整過來那另外在國發基金的投資機制裡面我們做了五大改革投錢的改革我們設立了公司治理的門檻 |
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2272.776 |
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我們強化了市場口碑的調查以及市場趨勢的發展在審議中的部分呢我們這個把審議門檻從過去的過半我們到3%甚至到更高那另外2%3%兩個門檻就把過去過半門檻拉高再來是合約簽訂部分呢我們 |
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2278.739 |
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2303.592 |
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會有更多對國發基金的權益保障那對頭後管理我們設立預警制度我們即將成立頭後小組我們現在正在跟人事總署即將去送件爭取這個成立這樣的一個小組那退場的部分我們也開始定期在檢討這個退場機制那另外在區域均衡上面我們還是以國家這個 |
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2325.131 |
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總統的區域台灣 軍人台灣的發展政見裡面我們制定了三個區域 區域制衡的方式其實第一個就是我們六大區域的生活圈跟產業規劃再來是地方創生 我們也有地方創生廊帶跟傳統地方創生兩種不同的形態資源同時我們搭配區域治理 讓地方有機會參與 |
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那也因為這樣的關係我們也開始在積極的去推動以及這個協助這個這個管控152項跟均衡台灣有關的建設那這個裡面呢我們首先是把台灣的區隔成六塊那我們首先推出來的是桃竹貓大溪谷我們希望在桃竹貓地區 |
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2347.021 |
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2372.207 |
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打造更完整的科技生態圈我們第二個行政院核定的是大南方新矽谷這大南方新矽谷部分也是希望帶動南部地區的科技發展我們統稱南北雙矽谷南北雙矽谷將會成為台灣南北均衡很重要的一塊也是帶動南北產業發展很重要的一塊 |
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2373.087 |
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2393.853 |
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那我們現在在積極的規劃的是中部的智慧精密系核心我們希望利用既有的精密智慧科技然後呢去推動我們幾個產業第一個智慧化的部分第二個是光子相關的產業再來是航太跟這個零費還有智慧農業等等那另外在 |
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這個北部地區首都圈的部分我們拉了我們有三個支柱第一個是到桃園的支柱這個支柱是搭配到桃園大溪谷第二個首都圈的第二個支柱是到基隆我們在黃金河谷廊帶那第三個支柱到宜蘭我們希望帶動的是綠色的智慧走廊所以我們將會在北北基的部分在基隆河谷的部分 |
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2420.81 |
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2431.156 |
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南河谷的部分我們是搭配到內湖科學園區到南港科學園區到汐止科學園區再往上移到 |
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2432.594 |
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2460.356 |
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在往北翼到寶長坑一帶那另外我們在基隆港會推動再造會以海洋科技為主跟觀光為主那我們在生技的部分從這個南港的生技園區到中央研究院再拉到這個宜蘭的科學園區去我們希望這樣的方式來帶動那我們在宜蘭花東跟屏南的部分我們會以東部漫火城鄉為準那我們希望帶動這個智慧農業跟這個 |
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2485.132 |
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這個觀光產業跟大健康甚至我們也在推動數位牧民那希望透過數位牧民的發展能夠帶動在地的數位產業那這個是一個新的綠色產業新的無煙囪產業那金馬澎湖我們是以低碳熱火離島作為我們的發展主軸那整個台灣將會以這六大主軸做我們區域的發展 |
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2509.833 |
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為了搭配到這六大區域發展,我們也同時規劃了九大生態系統來支撐這整個的發展第一個是水,供水的部分第二個是供電的部分,必須搭配產業的均衡再來是居住與社宅,當產業發展之後需要居住與社宅再來是交通與旅宿,我們希望讓交通更完善 |
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2525.127 |
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然後以桃竹苗大溪谷來講我們五陽高架就會延伸到竹南去那我們的這個會多一條橫向的路新梅龍的快速道路我們也會拉一條新的快速道路從半橋一直拉到龍潭去 |
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那這些交通的發展都會帶動那也包括旅宿產業配合商務考察使用那再來是有了居住有了新的更多的人生活圈產生之後呢生活購物的系統也要同時建立起來那同時要搭配醫療系統教育系統再搭配文化跟淨零與廢棄物的處理 |
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那這會同時進行所以桃竹苗的部分我們走了第一階段現在進到第二階段就是我們已經跟各縣市的首長都進行的會議我們建立了一個溝通的管道然後我們定期的去看協助這個地方來規劃跟解決所需要的問題那南部的新矽谷也正在進行同樣的事情那我們接下來等到 |
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2574.032 |
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2594.855 |
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這個核定這個這個中部新核心跟北區的北部的這個首都圈的這個黃線長帶之後我們也會進行更細一步的規劃那為了搭配這整個六大區域發展的我們把台灣52項建設就整理出來我們在中張頭我們在高鐵我們從彰化會延伸到集集 |
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2595.816 |
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2620.257 |
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跟南投串在一起我們在中捷有綠線的延伸在雲林我們有高齡的醫學中心在台中有漫畫館我們到了嘉南的部分我們在嘉義我們有嘉義市高鐵鐵路高架化的延伸有國道1號的延伸國道7號等等也有高屏二快 |
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2621.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2637.853 |
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再來是高鐵延伸屏東的部分那我們沙崙現在也正在做比較大的規劃再來是民雄的無人區我們整個將來在嘉義的部分我們是一中心兩園區無人區的中心加上兩個園區 |
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2639.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2656.171 |
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那在整個桃竹苗也是一個比較完整的規劃所以我們希望帶動整個台灣用152項建設盡快的讓各項建設搭配起來再加上經濟的發展整合在一起那這個第二個部分呢我們另外開始在進行第二種 |
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2683.845 |
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另外一種議題就是叫做區域治理我們希望透過中央與地方的對接能夠讓區域的治理更完整那我們會建立示範的創新點針對太陽能光電、餘電共生、微水力發電跟低熱進行這個沙盒實驗希望打造一個這個地方跟民間跟政府之間的三方的溝通那我們在溝通平台上面我們也在建立桃園大溪谷的開發的溝通平台 |
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2685.507 |
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2699.885 |
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我們在1月20號就以地方首長這個開會達成協議2月7號我們建立了這個平台跟聯絡窗口現在雙方都是由副首長進行直接對話溝通我們希望讓未來的發展會更完整 |
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2721.284 |
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那我們在打造地方創生狼呆的部分是希望基於過去我們在地方創生已經做了非常好的一個發展那我們現在希望利用這些成功的點把它整合起來讓它樹大便是美能夠帶動更熱鬧更繁榮的地方這個是我們現在選的四個點正在進行 |
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2744.812 |
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那另外我們也針對中興新村我們重新再規劃中興新村希望中興新村更活絡起來所以我們在今年的荷花季我們會辦音樂會然後也辦野餐會我們希望讓中興新村野起來然後加上地方創生跟產品的市集我們現在的市集會搭配到在地的政府一起把它開發起來 |
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2746.252 |
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2762.033 |
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另外我們在淨零公正轉型我們現在積極在推動我們希望在每一個淨零過程中受影響的人都能夠得到照顧譬如說我們要收碳費如果比較弱勢的企業需要協助或者是需要協助員工轉業的時候我們都會 |
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2764.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2781.926 |
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請到勞動部各個單位進行協助那在譬如說我們現在推動電動機車的時候呢對傳統機車行可能有所影響那我們也會積極的輔導跟協助那這些都是淨零工程軟體在做的事情那我們會推動各部會一起來共同實踐跟發展 |
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2802.399 |
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那在人才的部分呢我們會積極的去去更開放我們這個人才的這個法規讓我們的這個延展人才的這個法令更加的鬆綁吸引我們希望創造比較好的吸引條件去協助企業去招攬各地的人那另外我們在工建的規劃裡面我們現在開始的強化在 |
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2805.172 |
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2822.041 |
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產品那個整個計劃的生命週期的管理我們希望讓我們的這個很多的問題發生在整個計劃的執行過程中就可以看到然後及早的因應讓我們的執行率拉高那也因為這樣的關係我們大概我們在去年執行的金額也達到了這17年的新高 |
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2823.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2840.354 |
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那另外在我們法規的法規鬆綁裡面我們持續跟美歐日紐澳等商會我們大概得到了1231個建言我們逐一透過各部位的溝通我們也有2394項的成果去排除了這些外國企業來到這裡的投資障礙 |
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讓我們更吻合世界的潮流那另外我們也制定了公共政策參與平台我們也採納了172項進行這個協助我們做改革那我們也有一個公報網頁去對大家開放最後在我們國家檔案館我們在2025年會有一個重大的年底我們國家第一個就是首座國家檔案館在 |
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領口會正式的啟用在2025年的年底那這將是我們國內第一個這個檔案館那這是我們今年最重大的一件事情那它的整個儲存將會是國際標準那我們現在整個儲存容量也會升級到100公里 |
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我們現有的儲存量是已經接近滿那未來這個會有4倍的儲存量相較於我們現在那也會照我們也希望帶動整個在檔案管理上面跟這個開放跟推動民間使用的部分能夠更完整那以上就是這個我對於我們今年施政報告的簡易報告謝謝各位委員的聆聽 |
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好 謝謝劉主委我們現在請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤 |
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好沒錯誤那一書確定那我們現在就開始進行詢答委員詢答前原例做以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記現在請林戴化委員進行詢答有請主委 |
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主委啊 這個您的簡報做得非常的完整但本席認為您在這個國發基金及所有相關的基金的投資投資新創也是你的重點但是我希望聚焦在傳產的升級及你整篇沒有提到綠色金融 |
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一個字都沒提到那我不曉得你對綠色金融科技這件事情是認為這個是不重要還是說在你們的施政當中認為這個不是重點因為你也在推動淨零你現在政府推的兩大政策就是第一個所有大中小的所謂企業你一定推AI智慧化的一個環境的建置第二個是淨零碳排 |
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竟然是這兩個就相關的AI的技術智慧化的技術以及淨零碳排的技術其實就已經有這個市場了我們最好的是希望市場去驅動你整個產業的發展但我們現在是用補助政策的引導補助去誘發產業的發展但這是一個路徑但是如果市場本身有這個需求現在可以看到說淨零節能 |
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這個AI竟然已經有這個市場了那你是否讓相關有相關這些技術的人他可能缺乏資金他在金融上他比較沒有他可能可以因為這個市場有他有一個很明確的產業的標的進而我可以協助他在金融當中的一個支持這個金融這個綠色金融的一個支持 |
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應該是要這樣子啊或者你光是現在有近鄰的市場有AI的市場但是你只單靠補助但是你在我們大概會做這些技術研發的大概都是一個中小企業當然你有講到新創可是如果你能夠特別把 |
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綠色金融因為你政府在推市場也有這個需求國際也在推這個東西已經有這個市場了你如何讓市場帶動所有的這些中小企業加上你的新創但是我聚焦在綠色金融的部分 |
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才能夠讓所有中小企業去帶動這個幫這些中大型企業或中小企業他們去做這些的這個淨零也好 AI也好啊所以我沒有看到你綠色金融也難怪現在綠色金融的產品你們也講金管會也講你們呢 不講可是又可以隻字片語看到行政院的什麼的公佈我們要推動綠色金融我們沒有產品 |
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好所以呢在這邊我幾個幾個這個質詢的議題第一個就是您的投資技巧我是非常肯定的第二個你們對於傳統產業升級的重視本行認為應該還要加大加深加碼第三個你們也應該要致力於綠色金融創新而且標的就以我高雄為主高雄是最好發展 |
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綠色軍農科技的一個這個旗艦的城市好你們的這個投資績效這個其實剛才你有講其實從你國庫原始撥補的309億到現在去年9月為止你們增加了1兆5770億這個是成績斐然那投資的重點也有在一些新興產業本期也肯定你們在海事綠能半導體跟生技等 |
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但是你們固然有投資營運績效的責任但是你們確實有擔負起加速產業創新價值促進經濟轉型及國家發展而協助我國產業創新價值研究發展及自創品牌的任務所以本席也反對不當的調查跟干擾專業投資請國發會務必堅守國家的利益跟使命 |
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好你們也應該重視傳統產業有在你們的基金當中我有看到其中你們的這個哇這個你的第九頁哇你的這個第九頁有把這個也有產業再造基金你們的好多的好多相關的這個基金你都也有這個智慧醫療創新產業AI新創產業產業再造基金你們在去年8月又成立了一個30億的產業再造基金 |
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那呢希望這個部分呢我想理解你的投資標的是什麼是你這第11頁講的五大信賴產業校園創投基金綠色成長淨零產業嗎還是本席看到的在媒體上看到是你們要翻轉至少三個弱勢產業那這是到底你這個基金的目的是什麼 |
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是的這個產業再造基金是以這個傳產為主那他主要的做法跟顛覆傳統他就是投資者以後會有比較專業的人士進來協助這個企業在做管理跟營運的再造就不是只有單純的資金投資那這樣的基金補助啊既然你也鎖定傳統產業我希望再聚焦 |
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某些產業那譬如說石化模具塑膠射出及金屬構建你要這些產業一定譬如說在石化業全國最聚集的產業聚集最一條龍的就在我高雄石化業那他一定有他們共通的譬如說AI的科技 |
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淨零的科技捕捉碳排的這個相關的科一定有一些共通的你投入這個產業的特別在AI的科技的建置或者是這個智慧化的建置它一定有這些產業共同會使用的技術嘛甚至有些融資這些中小企業它實話也可能一定不會有淨零補碳的技術啊誰會有可能這些新創業者會有啊 |
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新創業者小啊可是標的有啊石化業這麼大這麼多啊所以你應該要讓這些這個傳統產業當中你應該鎖定然後進而這樣才會有亮點嘛你的讓他們在因應美國這個關稅提高以及中國廉價產品的傾銷的時候才有辦法船廠升級進入高石化好本席這邊還要講到一點我希望國發會在南部設置據點國發會 |
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高雄或者是國發會南部辦公室設置在高雄這當中你不是第一例在本席過往當中我已經在我的立處之下中華經濟研究院這樣的一個智庫已經在高雄有辦公室而且運作多年 商發院 |
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服務業在高雄也有南部據點這個公園院在南部也有據點南院喔在這個台南我都覺得非常的好而且都行之多年了那為什麼要你在南部呢進行專案輔導呢因為我們船廠跟中小企業中南部的業者面對政府的資源有三個特色第一個不知道第二個不會寫第三個不會過 |
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這就有這三個特色那你會講這個是經濟部做的事情啊這個經濟部有啊他們這個產發署就在做這件事情啊跟你這件那你跟他的區別在哪裡你跟他的區別在哪裡你的區別就是你能夠聚焦某些產業 |
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因為在高雄很明顯 我剛才講了我們高雄的一些產業是石化 模具 社交 社租 金屬構建我們所研發的所有的中小企業全部遍布高雄所以你應該在據點的時候你才會聽我們在地的業者心 而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊 |
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然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融 |
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好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是 |
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缺乏統整經各行其事這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟這個投資方案目前因為缺乏統整各行其事成銷甚微你給他看淨零科技在哪個部位 |
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跟國雲報告我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的淨零科技來來來淨零科技在環境部 |
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在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔 |
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光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有 |
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只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮獲的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的 |
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聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億 |
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提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧 |
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這個我們再回去研究一下跟好 我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部 紐約 伊朗包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林 |
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在彰化以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多 幾乎是七三比跟中南 和北部所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金 本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在 或是在北部但是我沒有 我還很厚道 我說只剩一半 |
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在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後呢再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎 |
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這個我會跟金管會討論之後跟委員做說明好 你看喔 你講的綠色金融你講到金管會可是真的產業的發展在環境部跟這個經濟部可是你想到金融其實那是可是金融它只是一個它的產品當中你們確定了我錢給你嘛就這樣而已 可是你的產品在哪裡當然是那兩個部會啊所以為什麼要國發會你出來整合以上 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 我們現在請我們邱益穎委員做詢答謝謝主席 我是不是請一下國發會有主委有主委邱委員早 |
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主委早主委我想最近的在台灣這個台積電到美國去投資這件事情其實不管是在台灣或者是在美國都引起相當大的關注那尤其在台灣我們自己本國有非常多非常多的討論大部分的討論聚焦都會說台積電到美國去投資未來是不是變成美積電 |
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那我其實一直覺得就整個商業的立場或者是在整個半導體發展的戰略考量上面台積電是不是應該要走出去應該是要佈局國際佈局全球不管是在日本或者是在美國或者是在其他的地方 |
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我不知道國發會在這件事情上面的看法是什麼因為大家問了經濟部國部長問了卓榮泰院長好像還沒有人來問過您主委我覺得站在國家發展的策略國家發展的角度上我想聽一下您的看法 |
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我們總統有一個經濟日不落國的願景所以其實我們也是基於這個願景我們是希望台灣的企業能夠力主台灣進行全球的市場那每一個企業其實我在企業待很久企業都希望讓自己能夠國際化 |
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那國際化才有國際化的市場台灣今天科技業能有今天主要是世界提供我們這麼大的市場我們才有今天否則我們是非常微小的企業那另外一個我想跟委員報告一下NVIDIA來這邊設電它不會變成台灣NVIDIA也不會洩露NVIDIA的機密 |
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微軟在這邊設那麼多年杜邦在這邊這麼多年他們也沒有洩密過他也沒有變成台灣的公司一樣的台灣的企業其實很多像台積電在中國設廠很久但是沒有一個機密外洩所以我們應該要相信台積電有能力保護自己那也要支持台積電進軍全世界 |
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主委您這個論點非常重要也非常好可惜在前面這一段時間大概很少聽到您在這一方面的談話我覺得這個其實是要強化國人對於企業佈局國際的這樣一個宏觀戰略的思考跟防度散播流言的這樣的一個 |
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所以台積電到美國去設廠我們的關鍵技術其實還是鎖在台灣還是鎖在自己核心內圈它不會變成美積電 |
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那就你們的整體的管制原則您前幾天有特別講到就是說台積電到美國投資適用N-1的規定你們會堅守這三大原則所以這三大原則在台積電到美國去設廠之前是不是政府已經完全有通過所謂的這個三大管制原則 |
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第二個我要請教就是說台積電現在走向國際那對於人才的需求一定是非常的大量您擔不擔心台灣的人才已經面臨不足的狀態會不會又被磁吸過去一窩蜂的全部往美國跑了那台灣怎麼辦 |
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這幾點很快速跟委員報告第一個我們跟台積電本來就有溝通那台積電的做法是這樣他一定要用台灣的人才跟台灣的技術因為他們告訴我的說是台灣人才是最好的所以他每一個最新的製程一定在台灣運作到非常的順暢才會出去 |
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但是現在一個世代他一個產品丟出去要六個月才會完成所以整個磨練過來至少會經過一年半最快一年半到兩年他才會進入穩定期穩定期才會出去蓋工廠工廠再一蓋又要蓋一年多所以他會落後台灣 |
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大概將近三年的一個世代這是絕對的這個不只是政府的管理這個當然進到了投審會投審會一定會去管理他那這是確定的第二個是人才的部分美國其實也有限制工作許可證他不會那麼多人都可以 |
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所以他沒有辦法那麼多人過去但是有沒有可能我們比如說我們要從美國挖一些他們的這些科技人才他可能是台籍的或者是台裔的那有沒有可能這些人就不回來了直接就留在美國工作留在美國的台積電工作那個除非是他原來就在製造業待的人才會過去因為以美國的工作條件裡面 |
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科技業跟金融業都比製造業來的性質優渥所以其實沒有那麼好競爭的所以你對於人才流失這一塊你不擔心但是你對於台灣的整體的人才培育這一塊你擔不擔心你覺得我們有沒有什麼更好的方法可以留住這些好人才 |
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基本上台灣的人才外流的並沒有比例是並沒有那麼高那我們因為主要是台灣主要是提供的就業機會比別人多造成我們現在事業率是歷史性低的3.4左右那多數人才都是在大概一畢業就很容易找到工作所以台灣的就業環境非常好反而我們在今年年初到美國去攬財的時候就發現很多台灣人是有想回來 |
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所以我們現在辦的幾場說明會大概有將近1600人左右參加我們的說明會所以你覺得這些人可以回來嗎這個主委啊我接下來要問您的大概就是跟攬財有關整個經濟的展望你們預估今年的成長率會超過3%對不對但是整個國際的局勢是不穩定的 |
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所以你如何確定你的經濟成長率是可以超過3%那您剛剛講的這些比如說您的報告有一個五大信賴產業這個大概是跟AI有相關的政府的投資跟政府的輔導跟我們整個要投入的人力物力財力在總預算面臨被砍成這樣的時候請問你們要怎麼運作 |
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的確在我們的預算裡面受到傷害比較大是在產業處我們產業處刪的是最多產業處總共被刪多少錢?你現在計算出來了嗎?我們被刪了5700萬左右 |
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那這個是我們現在也希望儘快如果是解凍的部分我們能夠看看儘快能解凍那我們能夠來往下運作那但是在這個情況下我們還是會積極的推動整個產業的發展我們現在也會積極往這個軟體平台等等的去發展那我們也在規劃我們新的這個產業規劃所以我們會在現有的環境下盡量去 |
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主委南北區域不平衡南北的這個區域失衡的狀態啊我想你應該很清楚嘛對不對我們講的五大信賴產業那現在的整個投資比例還是北部偏高啊中南部的廠商其實是偏少 |
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那這一點你們要怎麼樣強化要怎麼樣去做我們現在訂了幾個措施你的產業處錢被砍了那國發會要到南部去設立另外的辦公室也沒錢了沒場地了南部行政中心大概現在也只剩下非常非常基本的運作業務費被砍了96%請問你們要怎麼做 |
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我們有幾個第一個我們正在商界經濟部在雅灣的辦公室讓我們的國發基金可以進駐那第二個部分是我們現在會積極的跟幾個部會推動雅灣的部分在尤其在AI在軟體部分那尤其是搭配未來鴻海在那邊設點跟Media的合作那我們會積極的推動以軟體為核心讓這個台灣的軟體產業的 |
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核心變道在高雄那我們現在大概朝這個方向在積極的去做這個主要我要跟您談的就是說我覺得在區域平衡上面其實現在就像您剛剛報告裡頭有特別提到南部尤其是高雄 |
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台南高雄其實跟北部已經形成兩個科技中心已經是兩個科技的大的產業聚落但是南部相對起來還是在正在起步的階段其實需要給予更多的關心甚至給予更多的協助讓更多的科技產業AI產業能夠進駐到南部來緩解北部的這個擁塞 |
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所以我覺得在整體的規劃上面你們現在講都是說你會盡量協助啦你們會盡力去推動啦但是實際推動的計畫是什麼我們到目前為止沒有看到那因為我的質詢時間已經到了主委我可不可以請你們再送一份比較細部的資料給本席好不好 |
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好的 我們會強化在高雄的發展至少讓我知道一下你們未來在高雄的整體的這些產業規劃發展到底會用在什麼地方 到底會怎麼做好的 好嗎 謝謝好的 謝謝薇恩好 謝謝我們現在請張祺凱委員來做詢答 |
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請主委好 劉主委委員長國發會非常的重要它是我們國家發展的總舵手領頭羊我剛剛看你的報告有特別提到用水跟用電上這段時間民眾最關心的就是不是雙台效應現在是不是有三個颱風要來了 |
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水要漲了電要漲了台鐵也要漲了所以連央行都出來示警了央行說啊如果這三個全部都漲的話我們的CPI會衝破百分之二的這個警界線當初定這個百分之二就是有可能通膨嘛 對不對那這個對我們的民生跟產業衝擊會非常非常的大 |
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請問國發會 諸委你們有做什麼樣的因應例如說可以讓這個電價不要漲或者是怎麼樣對人民的這個衝擊是小一點的 |
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因為這個電價漲不漲或者是票價漲不漲不在國安會的權責那我們現在就是透過我們的物價督導匯報的我們是這個單位的幕僚我們會大概會對幾個重要的物資譬如說黃曉玉這個的那個關稅啦或者是一些消費稅上面然後能源的那個相關的稅賦上面我們會進行抵檢然後做一些措施來 |
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所以國發會是我們整個經濟發展經濟大經濟會的一個領頭羊你是經濟經濟會跟原卡會合在一起的所以是整個國家發展水跟電對你來講當然很重要不過當初我的了解包括總統找你來一開始除了你的專業之外不是很重要就是要解決讓電可以穩定嗎是不是 |
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現在電價你至少現在做一件事情嘛讓電是穩定的讓電價不要一直漲我覺得這是國發會非常非常重要的任務我們也有反映民間的一些看法給到經濟部那經濟部我想他們在做任何事情都會考慮到這個產業的看法那的確有一些產業有跟我們反映我們都有反映過去 |
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所以一方面是人在公民好修行苦民所苦民眾在擔心整個物價的一個高漲電價帶動整個物價的這個高漲這對人民生活衝擊是很大的那對整個產業的發展也是很重要的啊所以我今天給你看一個解決的方案大家看一下這是2006年開始一直到2024年整個平均電價的一個走勢圖波動 |
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你會發現一個非常重要的,我們在裡面再找答案馬英九在2008年上任,執政了8年2016年交給蔡英文他接的時候啊,一度墊,我們用了一度墊2塊6左右經過8年啦,還是2塊6你會發現馬英九的這8年 |
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電價漲了四次可是大家很多人都忘記了它後面這兩年 降了三次現在讓我們擔心的這也是國發會馬上要去處理的蔡英文的八年 漲了四次賴清德總統 去年的十月份已經漲了一次了 對不對現在十月一號 宜蘭姐又漲一次像充電炮耶 |
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你會發現馬英九是上去之後四次完以後降了三次等於只有上一次對不對電價維持在一度是兩塊六結果你從蔡英文的八年一直大帶輕的這樣一直衝上去兩塊六現在已經到達三塊四、三塊五了 |
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第一個人民負擔很重對不對第二個可能更嚴重啊三個颱風要來特別是電價對我們人民對物價衝擊很大啊國發會有責任去弄清楚為什麼馬英九當初國際的這個油價上漲的時候他上來為什麼他後來有辦法連山降為什麼民進黨沒辦法 |
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問題是不是在兩個指揮你這問題在哪裡為什麼馬英九時代可以下來為什麼民進黨這八年包括現在賴清德總統一直往上衝沒辦法降還在漲為什麼委員您是財經專家應該記得油價當年是從30幾塊我講馬英九那個時候衝到了100多塊大概到120幾那時候還謠言會到150所以那個時候他成本大幅的上漲就往上走後來 |
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整個油價又大幅的往下到60塊左右那當然它有漲的空間跟跌的空間那後面這幾年其實都是想要穩定所以就一直撐著撐到那時候是石油對不對主委你也是專家不要講那個重要當初馬英九碰到是石油上漲那現在現在蔡英文總統民進黨政府那時候碰到是烏克蘭戰爭天然氣嘛對不對天然氣在烏克戰爭的第二年就前年就掉下來了嘛 |
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你現在去看國際的燃料的價格,全部都是往下走的所以就出了兩個問題一個是核電,一個是綠電的問題這兩個是以前馬英九沒有的民進黨政府現在做的兩件事情是以前馬英九沒有做的就是挖了兩個財政的大黑洞 |
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核電 核一廠被停了核二廠被停了核三廠 醫藥機被停了馬上5月17號這個是你要一些關心的馬上停了以後一年的發電成本過電成本比以前多了1000億所以才會搞到你已經撥補了三次3000億丟下去 |
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無底洞啊你還是補不了啊所以你現在又要1000億老實講再給你你還是補補不了要去解決核電的問題這是一個第一個綠電買得太貴這也是另外一個大的漏洞了你買進來的綠電後來賣出去的台電只有賣了10%90%都沒有賣出去所以企業買不到電更嚴重的台電因為這樣子一年多花了600億1000加600億每一年都1600億 |
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這不是波普跟漲價可以解決問題的要治本嘛 不要頭痛就一腳啊所以國發會有責任整個政府有責任去把病因找出來解決核電的問題解決綠電的這個問題這就不用漲電價啊可以像馬英九這樣可以下降啊所以我們現在期待看到的如果國發會提出一個比較理性專業的一個建議我們期待事業要看到的不是上價是往下降 |
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我們會 這個謝謝委員 我們會去給經濟部建議啦那我也順便也報告我們 我有問過郭部長在綠電的部分是這樣子因為綠電需求來自於企業 所以它的綠電並不會到民間 會到企業那綠電成本的確一定是比較貴 但企業願意花比較高的代價去買 |
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那目前的狀況 那綠電並不影響到我們現在就是很多企業或者工業區 去工業區的時候他們在陳情說買不到綠電嘛那現在這個台電今年開始要賣RE30這是一個起步啦可是現在很明顯就是因為你們以前買的每一年買了300億度的綠電喔結果後來都用髒電的價格3點多4點多就賣出去了所以賠了 |
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成本賠了600億那我們希望這個速度要加快你600億就可以回來了嘛對不對而且企業可以用到電嘛人民不用被漲電價這是三零嘛這要趕快做好不好好那我們來談核能核能最近有幾個非常重要的發展第一類AIT的處長谷麗妍啊接受自由時報的專訪的時候她明確講了一共啊 |
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核能啊放眼全世界包括美國跟日本在內都在復甦使用核能就這兩個跟我們最好的也是我們最重要的盟邦也是一個先進國家的美跟日他們在重新用核電然後他特別提到這是因為很多公司需要穩定的基載電力等於核電是一個穩定的基載電力嘛對不對特別AI需要用很多電嘛 |
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美國跟日本都這樣做啦,更重要啦,你看這個美國的AIT的促定,美國願意幫台灣包括核能的部分這是釋放一個很重要的訊息我們美國這樣做,你台灣現在可能有電力的缺口不夠穩定或者是缺電,或者電價太貴,我要幫你發展核電啊,這個有沒有很重要 |
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這個信息很重要吧這個我們會幫忙反映給經濟部那這個部分我想委員在這個總質詢也垂詢過我想院長也有跟部長都有一個清楚的回答如果有新的技術院長是表達他對新的技術是開放的等一下我們來談新的技術我再跟你看一個剛講的是現任的AIT的處長另外一個是前任的AIT的處長 |
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司徒文 司徒文講得更白了 他是參加一個這個兵推啊他直接講了 他說台灣現在面臨電力的切剖當其他的國家都積極在擁抱核能的時候 為什麼台灣政府要排斥核電呢你看現任的跟上一任的都這樣建議了 這兩個人都很重要耶 |
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不只國發會我這個政府現在要好好去思考美國都已經開口了他一直幫你了幫完以後有兩個很重要的嘛電價是可以降的第二個我們的電力是可以穩定的對台灣太重要了好不好那另外那天的兵推啊也提到一個很重要的說來講用核能我急著要提醒了現在政府不只把核電停掉了他現在極力的去發展這個用天然氣那天的兵推啊發現 |
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我們的如果目前一直在發展這個目前用天然氣啊我們的能源的穩定啊風險係數達到0.99的幾乎是百分之百啦他做了一個兵推他說啊中共在南海強行去檢查我們的這個液化天然氣的這個船隻 |
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昨天啊前天 中共不是一開始就要演習了嗎他不要打你啊 他只要圍你就好了十天 天然氣就斷氣了 台灣就斷氣了這個也是 拜託一下 注意現在所有停掉的核電 幾乎都是用天然氣來補天然氣在現在兩岸的關係搞得這麼緊張我們隨時會斷氣喔 |
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好不好好最後我們來做一個總結就你剛講的你說院長那天提到說要有一個新的核能對不對我要問兩個問題院長是說不排斥院長那天是講不排斥嘛那所謂的新核能是什麼如果美國也開口了我們現在的核二廠看起來隨時可以重啟啊你看以前美國跟日本要重啟一個核電廠可能要五年六年 |
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現在不是喔 現在大概都是只要確定是安全的一年到三年就可以用了所以核二很快就可以重新的啟用那問你 如果我們經過檢查之後核二廠跟核三廠是安全的可以重新再啟動它算不算行政院你們定義的新的這個核能 |
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這個還是要由那個主管人員政策的經濟部來做決定那安全的部分要由核安會來做一個把關嘛安全當然有安全的部門嘛那現在就是行政院長這樣講他一直在講好幾次講新核能啊那我的問題是如果核落核酸重啟在安全狀況下重啟它算不算新核能還是只能用那個小型的 |
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這要看他維修的時候有沒有做一些新的改變院長是誰要問過你問過相關的部門才能夠這樣講吧因為我不是核能的專家也不是全職單位所以他不會問我所以你對於新核能這個定義你不清楚那你個人覺得如果是核二核三在安全的狀況下如果要重啟新的核能我的了解有很多新的技術在發展 |
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除了 SMR 以外,事實上還有像 Bill Gates 投資的它是用氨然後去把輻射下降但它的新的危險是它比較容易爆炸這種新的技術還有在我們看到非常多合融合的技術在各個研究單位都在進行中所以這個就我們了解新的技術都還是 |
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我個人是有一些了解所以你是贊成你也肯定這種比較安全這種小型核能對不對現在只是說它的成本真的很高我比較保守看小型核能我沒有贊成我比較保守看這件事你是比較保守的原因是很簡單那你的看法跟那個院長可能就不一樣了這個照不是委員想想看我們現在去設一個變電所的零幣設施的抗爭就很大了我們去設一個SMR在它幾乎是以社區為主的話其實那個抗爭是我們不知道 |
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可行性高不高我覺得你認為這個小型這個核電還要再觀察就對了我是覺得保守看待他啦因為他要民眾能接受在我家那你要跟院長要再溝通一下因為他一直在強調用新核能嘛那只有兩種可能性嘛一種是你現在有疑慮的他認為要那到底是裡面有什麼問題要把它解釋清楚那第二個對民眾來講我到底什麼時候可以用到這所謂的新核能 |
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是核二核三重啟啦還是你說的這個電廠一直在講的這個小型的好不好這個要努力最後問一個最關鍵的今天開始今天開始馬上好今天最關鍵的我們立法院的委員會已經開始在審這個要讓這個核電廠可以研議的或者重啟的今天開始公聽會已經開始了我要請教主委你的這個個人這個意見你讚不讚成 |
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讓我們的核電廠如果在安全的狀況之下核二的一號機二號機核三廠的一號機可以重新啟動或者讓核三廠的二號機可以沿用你個人的意見是怎麼樣我個人因為對這個領域沒有那麼熟悉但是我尊重各種法律的意見 |
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那個諸位你是國家發展的領頭羊電力非常重要我今天用了很多的時間去講這個核電的對我們國家的這個發展它關係到穩定關係到電價可以不要漲 |
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所以請國發會我建議這部分一定要不只是要關心要提出你們的規劃好不好好的我們來努力我記得國發會有責任4月1號能不能最近電價委員會馬上就要開了如果提到我們剛剛講的它會穩定來用便宜的核電連美國都開口了然後綠電趕快能夠賣出去的不要用高價買用低價去賣滿足我們的企業讓價格降下來只要解決核能跟 |
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核能的問題還有綠電這個問題我們不只不用上架 可以降價 好不好一起努力 好不好謝謝好 謝謝我們現在請陳超明委員做詢答首先有請我們國務大會 劉主委劉主委 |
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陳委員長劉指揮好聲音好像太小了聽不怎麼清楚陳委員長我看到劉指揮你們國會會的業務報告憑良心講寫得很好跟農業不一樣都非常的清楚這點要一一肯定 |
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那今天我第一個要請教你的問題你是台積電的董事那現在台積電是不是會去接收或是跟英特爾合作你是當時呢這點我很肯定我們董事會從來沒有討論過這個議題 |
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台積電從來沒有談過沒有因為這個裡面啦我們電腦工業理事長也就是合作的董事長他講的說最好不要你記住這句話他是那種心聲講出來好像很痛苦的樣子因為以前Intel在台灣對電腦可以說以求以啟 |
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台灣當時都只有敢怒不敢言希望你能瞭解這一點這個我瞭解因為你瞭解因為這個像柴油跟汽油是很難混在一起燒的那所以呢好第二個問題這點要特別的注意不要製造對手要把台積電打垮了 |
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你也是台積電的董事現在台積電在美國投資了將近1650億但是你再講最新的制式絕對不會過去最關鍵的機制不准過去國家安全優先你會堅持到底這個是我在你有信心還是沒有信心你要告訴我這個人不要講官話 |
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這個是我絕對有信心喔而且我也跟這個郭部長我們探討過這個問題再來台積電也跟我講他最新的製程一定是在台灣我真的聽不怎麼清楚你那邊聲音能大一點嗎所以我要掏氣陳昌昌部長你們沒有LP我現在舉一個例子跟你講高通區域 |
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那個獨佔的那個懷款台灣把7億美金變成一個投資的方案啊我覺得你有那麼大膽的勇氣啊 |
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你覺得川普的胃口那麼小嗎?要讓美國再次的偉大你給他N1、N-2他會不會接受?他要獨抱這個世界啊?所以你講這話我一點信心也沒有你跟我發誓你堅持到底 |
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我一定堅持到底啊 |
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我一定堅持到底啊我堅持到底,一定會守住這個原則阿你不做官就不堅持到底,我看你堅持到底,大概你官也做不久了我講這個話,懷疑美國論,你是不懷疑的,才能繼續的做我們不會懷疑自己的友方啦,但是該堅持的事情我一定堅持到現在執政黨都是抗中保台 |
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那你劉主委最勇敢,靠美保台,我講的靠美保台就是靠美國保台基電,能不能做到?我覺得我沒有什麼信心,從高中的世界,我們不要說幾位啦,像你一樣都了解彼此啦,怎麼樣? |
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敢不敢抗美 保台積電 抗美保台保台積電不需要抗美啦我們就是堅持我們保台積電技術但是我很懷疑啦好不好你真的不用懷疑啦我可以我的位子來擔保你要曉得啊上次在講台積電的麻煩核心技術商業機密都要給他了你還有什麼能力啊 |
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人家別的國家烏克蘭要遷土地的培安納戈還可以順便一點沒有台灣是白白的我送給你來幫他解培安培安在台灣設廠50年也有研發中心HP也有研發中心微軟也有研發中心但是我們一個技術也拿不到第二個你台積電的董事再多問你一點誰叫你要去當 |
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那你至於台積電建廠到2030年就結束了台灣的晶片會何去何從第一個問題亞利桑那州的州長來台灣把台積電的供應鏈整個請他到美國投資那美國的話要再次的偉大他偉大在哪裡我要美國控制所有世界晶片的40% |
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如果這些周邊的產業鏈移到過去的話台灣剩下什麼我第一個重點2030年大概台積電建了這11場不會再繼續再電剛剛所講的台灣到2030年台積電用的電量24.7 將近三分之一 |
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所以NAS的電也不夠他用你還有AI的資料中心用電也很窮所以你都說好聽整個產業鏈過去了要怎麼辦這是第一個問題第二個問題沒有跟台積電的產業鏈過去比如在台灣要銷到美國還是100%的關稅 |
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我問這兩個問題你幫我回答一下我先跟委員解釋一下齁台積電整個產能的規劃80%在台灣 |
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百分之八十在台灣 百分之八十在台灣 這是第一點第二點其實我們在看整個供應鏈 台灣最有可以再往上發展的是兩個部分一個是我們的材料 化學的部分 第二個部分是設備的部分大廠有辦法供應鏈過去 一般從本工廠到那一邊要學著過去的話很困難 |
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如果要銷到美國也有關稅那麼高好好考慮這個問題不要只有報喜不報憂啊很多人都在探討這個問題啊產業鏈會空洞化2030以後我們的經濟變化會怎麼樣主委我希望你好好考慮一個問題好第二個問題再來好 你好好考慮如果能一個評估報告出來最好都要講實話 |
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那現在兩岸的關係非常的嚴峻我們賴總統把中國當為境外的敵對勢力那ECO如果停下來的時候會怎麼樣現在我們對中國大陸去年的勝差還700億美元也是最大的勝差現在慢慢被美國 |
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期待掉了那我現在問你ECFA在這樣一段下來的時候我們的傳統產業我們這些高科技產業你要怎麼辦好好想這個問題如果以目前的情勢我看起來很有可能中斷ECFA他已經在調查你請銷不對等的貿易條件你國外會主委要好好的應用這樣的問題 |
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這個我有請教因為這經濟部全責我有請教過經濟部長他們是說去年他們就開始在協助廠商移轉市場我實在聽不太清楚你可以靠近麥克風嗎 |
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這個問題是經濟部主導的所以我日前有請教過經濟部郭部長郭部長是明確的告訴我不能講陸委會的主導你要各種情報蒐集在一起你這樣說他就太不負責任了這是經濟部的事情經濟部去年就開始會經濟部合作在一起開始移轉市場這是經濟部說明的 |
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你們不擔憂啦但是其實中小企業我們的企業也很擔憂好不好如果兩邊的關稅都整個提高的話台灣的市場要跑到哪裡跑到東南亞南向的政策還是到墨西哥去投資被關稅就全部趕到美國大陸台灣空中化想想未來會發生的事情 |
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你要曉得川普的胃口不會那麼小啦要底要重演啦好不好注意一下這種情勢的發展那剛剛講到AI產業那我剛剛也講過台積電用電到了2030年已經將近 |
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應該是四分之一將近25%我相信他不會在台灣在場未來台灣整個產業是跟著台積電在走他資質站得那麼高所以你要想到這幾年的一個後面的發展這幾年還可以維持住那 |
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你國發會跟經濟部都一直在談AI的產業那台灣科技的產業裡面主要是做硬體的將近佔了世界的三分之一這是台灣的實力但是AI軟體產業我們的軟體產業佔不到1% |
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這是材料解決其實最有價值的就在軟體但是台灣的企圖太細至少軟體都抬來抬去沒有價值我是跟你良心講所以你現在有AI產業正在勢頭上 |
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我希望國安委跟經濟部好好的去研究這個AI的硬體產業跟軟體產業一定要培植下來不然世界都在進步世界各地都在追趕 |
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你也要把軟體產業應用的產業AI的應用產業建立起來台灣未來在未來裡面可能會遭遇到很大的困難你的看法是如何謝謝委員我們看法一致所以我們在去年的AI施政主軸裡面就軟體產業 |
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解決方案產業是我們的最首要的業務那我們也跟業者還有協會哪裡協會我們都有溝通過我還拉著郭部長一起我們會建立台灣那個軟體的這個平台產業然後以大大小來發展第二個部分我們會強化在我們會強化在百工百業使用AI美國所有產業都是大資本 |
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那中國大陸的Deep Sheet已經出來了不大不小的資本還有一家最近出來的一家聽說那個軟體產業都很好但是台灣還沒有看到AI軟體產業能參照我們自己的一片天地因為說硬體跟 |
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軟體一定AI就是深度的學習很重要啊你要趕快建立起來天天不要自我陶醉啊說我們外銷很好啊我們長紅啊這個世界變化莫測隨時要倒隨時要有變化一個新的產品出來整個世界就變色了 |
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跟委員報告因為我們在Deep-seek出來之後其實有些產業去研究發現它只有簡體的介面不能使用那產業幾乎現在都用聯發科做出來的類似Deep-seek的產品所以台灣現在也在發生這些其中 |
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如何把軟體再去加強在世界上占有益息之內比什麼什麼還重要因為這個有2.3兆美元的市場規模啦所以我們希望從裡面拉到10%為臺灣加油啊 不然你要了解只有用體隨時大家都在趕說實在啦 |
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我們現在請楊秋英委員做詢答 |
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楊委員早主要好台積電董監事經理人持股的明細當中我們可以很顯示看出國發基金是台積電單一的最大股東它持有是6.38%的一個股份那麼近期台積電也宣布擴大對美國的投資計畫 |
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引發了外界對於技術外流及國家安全的一個關注那麼主委你也曾經談過你要堅持的是最新的技術不會過去對不對你也說最關鍵的技術不准過去對不對那同時你還有一個三大原則之一也就是國家安全為優先是不是如此 |
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是的到目前為止你仍舊是依這個原則嗎 是不是是的 這個我跟郭部長彼此之間有共識彼此之間的共識所以我們統計 只有統計到113年的前三季那麼台積電的股利收入是高達247.9億元 |
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這是在113年的第三季那如果整年度來算應該可以達到389億元所以對國家的這個貢獻可以說財政貢獻是非常的好 |
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但是在这样的一个情况之下我要请教主委台积电的技术领先性是其竞争优势的关键那即使遵守着主委你对外说的也就是赴美投资N-1的规定 |
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仍可以導致美國半導體製造業能力的一個提升這是外界現在都在看的一個方向那進而也削弱了台灣在全球半導體供應鏈中的一個地位因為是我們的護國神山所以國防會你認為在台積電赴美投資N-1就能夠保證保護台灣 |
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對角色地位嗎 請主委說明我跟委員報告台積電在南京設廠20年他沒有任何機密外洩反倒是我們可以看到其他的公司反而有控告一些員工把機密帶到對岸去 |
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所以機密會不會外洩完全在一家公司的管控做得好不好那我的了解台積電現在內部所有的電腦是沒有硬碟的也沒有USB的它完全是在雲端裡面它的資料是保護得非常完整所以我對台積電做技術關鍵技術的保密我是目前是信心是很高的 |
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信心是很高所以換句話說我們還是維持您所說的N-1這個情形就像微軟在這邊有研發中心IBM有研發中心可是他們從來沒有辦法我們從來拿不到因為每一個企業都有自己的機密管理的能力當然因為這個是他吃飯的最基本他不可能把他的飯碗砸掉 |
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不可能把那個範圍砸掉再請主委針對本席的提問也就是說目前政府告訴我們的是以N-1的這個方向跟立場是不是還是維持 |
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目前我們是維持的目前是維持而且在技術上台積電也就是政府的立場政府的立場還是N-1的這個立場嗎是的是的所以因此本席要因為大家 |
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對台積電從開始到現在大家都號稱是護國神山所以我們仍舊希望怎麼樣能夠保護台灣讓台灣在整個的這個立場上還是都是佔非常重要的角色這是我相信所有的國人大家都很期待我們也希望政府的立場說的跟執行的是一致的 是嗎是的 |
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好 接下來本席要請教我們針對於整個產業因為主委你也非常清楚本席不斷的在跟你討論我們除了AI我們除了高科技那最重要的我們台灣的傳統產業尤其本席來自於中部地區我們的機械手工具機工具機零組件 |
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這是也是台灣非常重要的護國神山尤其我們在組裝方面都能夠有較低的成本去跟世界競爭這也是為我們國家爭取了很多的外匯那所以沒有理由不照顧他們本期跟你討論 |
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2月13號的時候提出的2025年經濟展望的報告當中我們看到主要機構它測試我們今年的經濟成長大概介於在2.5%到3.42%那主計總數說可以超過3%以上但根據我們過去去年工具機的產業它的是衰退將近兩成 |
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營建業受政策及資金的影響開工的量是萎縮的所以許多的中小企業根本沒有辦法生存不僅如此 我們的內需市場比較低迷比如說我們的餐飲零售業也面臨著消費力不足的困境 |
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所以GDP整體雖然有成長 但是它是集中在少數高科技的產業其他的產業 尤其傳統產業 它的痛苦指數是在節節的上升所以本席要請教 國發會您是產業政策的總指揮 |
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產業政策總指揮面臨到AI的產業熱度的高漲但是我們傳統產業卻陷入寒冬這樣子的一個產業結構的極端發展已經嚴重的影響到整個經濟性的穩定度政府你有什麼樣的對策呢請教 |
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這個部分我們有幾個方向在跟產業溝通當然最主要我們還是要仰賴經濟部一起合作第一個部分就是通路的部分我們有跟工具機協會有稍微談到我們希望協助他們去做通路的建設舉個例子現在工具機成長速度比較快的市場在印度 |
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那我們怎麼樣協助他們設立一個通路讓台灣的產業可以賣進去第二個是高質化的改變包括美國通路的掌握其實我們都有一系列在探討那我們也希望協助他們進入一個規模化然後更具規模競爭力在研發跟在技術上面另外我們也討論到怎麼樣去讓協助他們在我們現在主要的控制機台是來自日本跟德國怎麼樣進入盡快的到國產化來做這個事情 |
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因為對岸也在做這件事情對你現在講到了這個部分本席要提醒像我們這一次在南港展出我們的這個工具機手工具機機械類別以及零組件大家非常的用心我們接單的成績非常好這是我們電機的一個平台但是我們憂心的是什麼關稅問題我們更憂心到匯率問題 |
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這兩項是國防會你身為產業的總指揮官你必須要去跟相關單位去協助解決我們產業所碰到的重要問題關鍵點因為匯率不是我產業自己可以去決定 |
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關稅也不是我廠家可以自己去決定那他需要靠政府所以政府你到底在我們整個產業的這個比例上面你要怎麼樣 |
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提拨百分之多少來給我們的傳統產業來協助政策方向是有但是我們自己要努力可是我們碰到這非我所因素的條件是政府必須要做產業的靠山嘛對不對 |
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對 所以我們現在有出口的融資的補助協助他們在 不是補助 就是的協助那我們協助他們在融資上面出口的融資成本比較低的一些幫助讓他們在出口上面可以降低他的壓力 |
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那我們會針對這一點我們再來加強看看有沒有什麼可以更好的方案本席希望聽到你精進的方案因為已經進入寒冬這是我們國家最重要的產業經濟命脈就業人口多數在這環所以本席希望您給本席您將你精進的方案給本席你預計你一定要提升百分之多少來給我們傳統產業來協助他們 |
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好的好不好好好那你大概多久時間可以給本席一個月內給你一個月內好那會提升比例嗎給我們的傳統產業我們會做一個整體的研究跟規劃我也會找經濟部一起來討論對然後朝提升的方向對不對 |
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對 我們會怎麼樣強化好 那接下來最後一個議題本席每一年都要請問你但是我真的蠻憂心也就是針對於推動性平等的這個成效那我們看到勞動部的調查2024年的女性平均薪資327塊男性389 |
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女性比男性要多工作58天才能夠達到男女全年薪資的相同那因此呢同酬日呢2月27日 較去年只有增加兩天但是本席給你一個一個類別來作為討論的範例電子零組件的製造業為例2020年的男性是668塊女性只有多少 諸位 |
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393元他的相差41%在2023年以及2019年呢分別上升了1.9跟3.2%我請教主委在結果論來說我們男女同工不同酬的情況惡劣你國發會要怎麼樣去提升推動性別平等的一個成效請教主委 |
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這個我可能要找我會來找那個勞動部來討論一下看看怎麼樣這到底細節是什麼原因我們針對原因來對你是整個產業的總指揮那你今天針對這個我們每一年都跟你討論同工不同酬女性的薪資差別那麼多 |
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每一個部會的總total是由勞動部來調查那總政策應該在你的國防會所以我還是具體建議因為我每一年一定會提出這個議題但是我們看不到它的一個均衡性所以本期希望因為每一個勞動者都是我們非常重要的資產沒有理由讓女性跟男性差別這麼大 |
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所以本席具體要求相關部會你是總領航者你必須要跟他們去討論怎麼樣讓男女能夠來做均權均衡才能夠達到整個產業勞動力的一個均衡嘛一個向上提升嘛 |
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是不是我來瞭解一下因為我自己待過八家公司再加上現在政府都沒有男女的薪資之別薪資就是薪資主委你講到這個問題實在太離譜了我們去理解一下對不對已經勞動部的數字調查告訴你你還說沒有 |
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沒有我的意思是說我們要去找出他的真正核心問題點這個就對了核心問題點到底是在哪裡就我了解上市會公司也都沒有這樣的問題所以我們得把你現在在政府部門做事情 |
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你有權利做政策的一個決定委員我必須講我不去了解問題的核心在哪裡我解不了問題當然這是你的職責啊我不能用通用性來看待對這是你的職責所以你要去了解為什麼每一年調查出來的資訊是如此 |
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所以就是問題沒解決啊謝謝委員我說你願意核心去了解我非常的認同你用心多久時間可以告訴我們這個至少要兩個月啦因為我很細節的去看他你好好用心去把他了解原因我們現在能夠在你的任內真的解決這個問題嘛好不好好的好謝謝好謝謝 |
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謝謝我們現在請陳婷菲委員做詢答陳婷菲委員詢答完休息五分鐘謝謝謝謝張偉浩我們請諸位 柳主委 |
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主委我想台南的地方創生是一個很重要的計畫因為在我們國發會其實從地方創生原年開始一直到現在我們台南都扮演很重要的角色因為縣市合併之後其實有很多城鄉的一些需求跟城鄉的規劃剛好我們在地方創生可以符合 |
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所以其实我们拿了很多的案子包括基本上我们目前有提出18个地方创生的计划那已经媒合成功的执行大概有11案那我们目前还在辅导计划当中的是7案那有5案已经开过辅导会 |
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那現在呢也都在修正當中那麼在繼續輔導的是有兩個案子那基本上其實這是最近在113年到114年剛通過的案子在南溪區玉井區 佐鎮新化隆起這都是比較屬於比較山區的部分 |
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所以我要說地方創生其實對地方有一個很重要的一個協助就是讓他有一個整合性的一個協助讓他整個往上提升把他的產業跟地方做一個結合把他的特色能夠完完全全的發揮這是我們地方創生的主要意義那當然我們現在包括還在輔導中的有我們的淑女村 |
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這很夯喔 就是我們的貨幣還有我們的鹽袋在外面購入7個中均價值還有安定 流年大來 生活會贏有7個案 |
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總共有七個案那這個部分其實我們現在希望這當然還有很多下面的這個資計劃主要計劃是這樣還有資計劃資計劃就是在各個部會來協助所以總共我們預計要爭取就這七個案子爭取6.39億6.39億那我們希望啊 |
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我們的主委特別給我們關照一下趕快因為早一點通過早一點讓我們上路因為其實我們在講的地方創生完了之後它的關鍵是在下一步就是說當我地方創生做好了之後我的下一步我要怎麼去讓人 |
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包括所有的年輕的朋友能夠回到這裡然後再帶動觀光這是一步一步的不是說今天地方創生做好了就沒事了沒有這麼好啦地方創生之後他就可以自己生雞蛋嗎不會 |
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這還是母雞完了之後你要看要怎麼讓他可以繼續往下扎根所以其實我們越早讓我們目前規劃中的地方創生趕快push讓他能夠到位的話早一天我們能夠讓我們的金雞母生金雞蛋這才是我們地方創生的意義所以我們拜託說現在福島中的七個案子包括後壁的淑女村 |
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鹽地 鹽堤啦齁這就七九重均價率 鹽堤這個所在齁還有安定區 柳營區 大內區 散化區跟下營區這個部分總共有6.39億的這樣的一個預算再拜託主委幫忙 早一天讓我們上路啦 |
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好 我們會盡力 這總共7案有39項嘛我們會特別輔導 盡量讓這個6.391好 這個很重要啦 因為前面有18個案其實這18個案子有一件還是在我們北區啦這個是長照的特殊性的一個地方創生 結合成大醫院所以其實它有很多不一樣的樣態 |
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可是做了之後說真的它可以改變的是地方的特色跟地方的產值甚至是地方它所需要的一個量能所以拜託主委這個部分那另外一個就是說我們現在在談的就是我們大南方新矽谷推動方案這個計畫很大非常的大 |
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極大但是大家都在看到底什麼時候可以達到我們心目中這樣的一個期許跟我們的績效這整個案子都是由國客會在規劃執行的對不對對的那我們現在預計要結合沙崙智慧綠能科學層還有我們半導體的S狼帶也就是從嘉義到屏東這個半導體的S狼帶 |
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這也是我們重視整個南部經濟發展很重要關鍵的一個大計畫還有重點是要AI為核心產業AI化AI產業化我們的大南方新矽谷的優勢對不對這計畫好大喔主委 |
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這計畫好大現在我們第一步要先來做我們的整個規劃的就是AI運算資料中心的建置這第一步 |
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這一個AI運算資料中心的建制總共計畫是51.19億規劃在台南沙崙智慧綠能科學城的部分地上五層 地下兩層 再加上基礎設施計畫是要114年到117年 |
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沒錯 這個我們已經合訂這個計畫送院了對 已經合訂了 送院了報導行政院那行政院預計什麼時候可以有一個動向這個我們可能 我們再去行政院洽詢一下 再跟您報告 |
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這個很重要因為我們的計畫期程是114年這個應該因為這總統很關切所以這個速度應該不會太久了對 這很重要因為你今天這個是很重要的地上五層 地下兩層再加上基礎設施還有軟硬體你這個是土建 |
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而且這是我們最先進的算力中心在那裡沒錯啊AI如果沒有最先進的話基本上我們跟不上世界的潮流啊對不對所以我們很期待這114年到117年今年是關鍵不要第一年就跳票 |
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好的不要第一年就跳票這個我們大家都在期待好你這個AI運算資料中心你扎根了你才能去推動所謂的我們要去結合S狼帶現在來了我們有一個半導體 |
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我們半導體這個是當然重點是經濟部啦但是這個know-how還是在我們的國發會重要的審核還是在我們的國發會就是說在整個半導體的推動經濟部提出了也是到117年我想這整個是配合好的啦 |
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配合好的就是加上整個半導體的S狼帶整個配合好所以我們產值是2.66兆元工作機會要25萬個半導體的材料產值目標材料喔半導體的材料喔他要增加三成528億半導體的設備產值目標是800億 |
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這個大家眼睛為之一亮大家要看這裡呀其實最近大家都一直在講台積電去美國投資一千億美元其實我們必須說全世界對於我們半導體的需求台積電半導體我們的所謂的基本架構其實它的需求是很高的 |
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所以在這樣的一個重點我們的know-how沒有改變就是說半導體在我們台積電他沒有把他的技術也就是他自己在原本研發的這個最重要的頭腦他不可能這個頭腦還在台灣 |
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沒錯對不對這個頭腦還在台灣啊他基本上他要去其他國家去設廠是因為需求因為他要去各地去設廠我們台灣因為大家的整個能量需求能量已經擴展所以他必須到其他國家去設廠這就是這個概念我覺得大家都把它本末倒置了如果說一家公司他沒有去其他國家設廠 |
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他就表示他沒有辦法去拓展他其他更多的訂單現在訂單的量已經超越了我們自己台灣能夠去cover的部分所以台積電他一定要去國外設廠啊但是他所有的研發都在台灣這是重點啊對主研發都在台灣沒有錯台積電會那麼笨嗎不會吧 |
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7626.506 |
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台積電所有的主研發它一定要留在台灣這才是根本所以我覺得現在大家在說我們為什麼要讓台積電去美國去投資是不是有什麼樣的under table的一個所謂我們答應美國的條件 |
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其實美國還是半導體技術的領先全球最領先的它是技術可是在台積電我們的研發台積電其實現在最厲害的是在它的研發 |
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對 我們是製造技術最領先的美國是半導體技術最領先的日本是化學材料 半導體材料最領先所以我覺得在這個部分其實我們應該看的為什麼在經濟部他要在五大信賴產業推動方案要再有一個半導體的推動 |
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這就是關鍵用的需求量絕對不是因為今天台積電有沒有去美國去投資這1000億美元而是在我們整個的需求量已經超出了我們原本的需求所以我們必須做了這個半導體的推動創造更多的產值也就結合我們的S狼帶所以 |
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主委我們要加油 因為其實我會提出這兩個一個是屬於我們在台南一個我們城鄉結合帶動觀光帶動地方發展的區塊一個是高科技在於產業經濟結合的部分我們怎麼把它做一個大南方結合 南部地方整個大結合做串聯 |
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對 我們將來的機器人專區也會在台南的北部嘛在台南對 在柳營 新營那個地方就是在我們的西北啊在我們的西北啊對啊 所以我們整個串聯起來其實大南方計畫對於我們的產值是不一樣的所以我們在台南未來的發展是有高科技 有高技能 |
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有高研發也有精密技術然後我們也有在城鄉結合我們的創生計畫帶動地方的觀光發展帶動地方的產能那是完全不一樣在結合我們的食農教育所以我相信在台南未來是完完全全的大爆發所以我們希望這兩個案子剛好都是國發會拜託主委給我們台南一個更大的未來謝謝 |
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好谢谢 |
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我們現在請鄭天才委員做詢答主席 各位有請主委 劉主委這個 言明會在 |
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提報了這個第三期的四年計畫就是114年到117年原住民族住宅的四年三期計畫當然這個計畫這是過去已經實施延續過去的一個園民會的一個計畫當然更早更早也有更早也有那首先在談這個計畫之前 |
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要特別跟主委來瞭解也讓這個現在身為國發會過去是經建會在審查這個大家都知道現在有租屋補助嘛租房子有補助現在是內政部在主管 沒錯最早 主委你知道最早是從哪裡開始嗎最早是從延民會開始延租民主委員會開始 |
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本席當時擔任這個嚴明會的常務副主任委員當時張俊雄院長要求各部會他一上任之後張俊雄第一次當院長的時候他當兩次吧新任院長第一次一上任的時候就請各部會要提出二到三個對人民有感的政策計畫 |
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人民會當初提出來的其中一個就是租屋補住因為我在都會期長期去了解我們原住民很多的都會期的鄉親因為租不起房子買不起房子所以租房子的時候租一個套房父母親孩子都住在一起 |
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8255.785 |
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8281.88 |
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父母親晚上做看電視小孩子做功課這個一樣只有一個套房啊所以就怎麼樣呢這個小茶几小桌子做功課邊做功課邊看電視對原住民的教育提升非常非常的嚴重的影響所以我就從教育的走眼 |
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原住民租房子要補助這個計畫送到經建會當時的政務委員當時的副主委就是之前的張景生政務委員他看到這個計畫他很納悶原住民是怎麼一回事租房子還要補助 |
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經過我們詳細的說明之後他同意他聽進去了就批了主委也批了行政院也合併了實施兩三年之後內政部認為行政院認為這應該要擴大辦理所以才由內政部主管一直實施到現在 |
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8328.683 |
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8357.808 |
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我講這個意思是說原住民的問題不一定跟一般的有關是一樣的但是我們是從各方面的去了解實際的狀況去了解好我們現在談這個四年計畫在談這個四年計畫之前也讓主委了解一下讓我們這個國發會的同仁了解一下我昨天有提了宴會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8358.905 |
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8388.14 |
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在還沒有原住民族基本法在還沒有住宅法之前民國八十一年台灣省政府興建基隆市的海濱原住民國宅總共一億五千多萬當時的一億五千多萬是很大這個就是基隆的原住民海濱國宅民國八十四年內政部省台北縣 |
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8390.489 |
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8408.456 |
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共投入兩億一千多萬新建新店的中正年住民住宅然後汐止八十八年這個汐止的總共有 人民會編列了四億九千多萬當然經費就從住宅計畫裡面四億九千多萬這是買的 直接買買民間的集合式住宅 |
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8419.437 |
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8434.74 |
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是這種的方式,這個是最快的最快的好這個就是現在的狀況那延期法在94年2月5號公布施行 |
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8435.874 |
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8464.494 |
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要測定原住民族住宅政策入會期的安基一定要去重視要有這樣的一個保障跟協助住宅法最重要是住宅法105年12月23號原住民族目的事業主管機關因視原住民族教育及語言文化等傳承發展需要興建興辦專攻原住民成都之社會住宅大家住在一起 |
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8465.595 |
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提升教育 提升語言 提升文化在都會區會比較有效因為都會區的原住民人口已經達到51.19%了超過一半如果加上沒有社會戶籍 這個是有社會戶籍的 |
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8486.809 |
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8499.329 |
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加上没有社户籍在都会区就学就业的绝对是超过百分之七十几所以这个人数是相当高那我们看这次的这个 |
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8501.264 |
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8523.397 |
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報告裡面有提到那個四年計畫裡面有提到原住民族家庭的自由住宅率低於全國平均值新北市差距跟全國差距27.83台北市33.44桃園市是25.26台中市差距是31.73所以差距落差很大 |
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8525.407 |
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8554.149 |
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在這個計畫的報告裡面的計畫裡面四年計畫裡面也有提到原住民族專屬社會住宅有幾個地方都有 新北 桃園跟台中都有提報但是呢後來結果內政部說沒有經費人民會也說沒有經費所以這個部分當然這個計畫已經核定但是是從今年開始 |
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這個計劃是三年計劃第四年計劃是今年開始所以我是建議主委、國發會讓人民會再一次的修正這個計劃滾動檢討修正這個計劃 |
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8584.793 |
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8611.169 |
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能夠列入在明年的預算開始能夠有編列這個專屬原住民的社會住宅來解決這個原住民住宅的需求也符合我們住宅法從105年12月公佈施行之後到現在這樣的一個立法的目的主委可以嗎 |
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8612.72 |
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8629.757 |
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可以喔 我們會後會去反映給原民會那請原民會提案然後到我們這裡來審核的時候我們會協助好 非常謝謝這個主委這個部分因為時間也蠻急迫因為要列入在 |
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8631.293 |
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這個明年的預算的話就是對有點對這個時間上但是因為有過去很多很多的經驗所以應該是可以很快的來去做修正核定就麻煩主委好謝謝好謝謝我們現在請鄭正前委員做詢答 |
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8664.831 |
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謝謝主席 我想請來劉靜慶劉主委好 劉主委 |
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因為國家發展計畫每四年都會推一次從您上來之後 您去年8月推出一個新的版本就是114年到117年的一個國家計畫我發現你這裡面用了一個比較特別的字眼你講到一個後全球化的新冷戰時代 |
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8711.951 |
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那我想問一下就從主委的角度來看的時候全球化的示威大概在什麼時候那碰到這個新冷戰時代的時候台灣應該要怎麼做才能夠跟上這樣的腳步全球化開始 |
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8736.389 |
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受到比較大的挑戰事實上從2017年就開始逐步到了疫情期間各國也紛紛發現他必須擁有自己比較安全的供應鏈去穩固自己國家的安全所以呢以美國為首開始推動這個法案14017的法案去進行這個安全供應鏈的推動 |
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8736.909 |
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那這個熱性供應鏈的推動其實在各個國家都有類似的現象開始發生所以你在這邊講到全球化是你覺得是從COVID-19之後的時候開始做一些調整你定義是這樣子啦OK那這沒問題喔而且從美中貿易開始在2017開始從美中貿易這個部分就出現了 |
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OK那我在想說針對這個部分因為你特別提到了一個針對大陸的一個和平崛起大家覺得夢想幻滅那你這邊是不是有特別的訊息覺得說會進入到一個武力崛起的一個過程還是一個對兩岸的衝突你這邊是不是有特別的一個訊息我這邊倒是我們比較從經濟的角度去看整個產業的發展到比較沒有從 |
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8792.935 |
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所以如果從經濟的角度來看的時候那怎麼會因為經濟就是一個和平崛起的一個動作為什麼會覺得經濟的角度來看的時候你們也不覺得說它是一個和平崛起的過程 |
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8814.945 |
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你如果以從中國經濟過去而言他他也是一個和平的崛起他並沒有沒有任何的軍事的崛起那如果是這個部分的時候面臨的壓力應該是說在高高速發展之後所產生的一些效應包括全球化造成他的產業也開始在外移嗎 |
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所以基本上因為是整個產業化的外移或者他們你基本上因為他是經濟上的崛起你覺得他其實還是一個和平崛起的一個過程啦是不是對他是和平的但他遇到兩個問題第一個成本變高了第二個事情是2017開始美國關稅之後他的產業開始進行外移 |
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對 可是成本變高跟產業壞壞基本上都還是一個和平的動作因為我只是針對這部分有一個定義上的一個聊因為本來想說你這邊也許會有一些國發會也許會有一些特別的一個訊息會覺得更敏感覺得說兩岸搞不好會有一些爭端或者是怎麼樣子那如果沒有的時候我就進入下面一個部分因為在109年就是蔡總統第二屆任期她提出一個六大核心戰略那去年的時候我們提出五大信賴產業那麼今天你在 |
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又報告到你也把這個五大信貸產業當作一個很重要的部分在第一段就特別去講那我就很認真的去看了一個六大核心戰略跟五大信貸產業當中的一個差別那五大信貸產業當中包括半導體、AI、軍工、安控跟世代通訊這些部分的時候呢大概在六大核心戰略產業當中大概可以用字當然不一樣可是用字基本上來說大概就是在整個資訊及數位、國防及戰略還有 |
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8915.625 |
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資産卓越這三個部分大概就涵蓋了就是五大信貸產業所以我比較好奇的是在六大核心戰略當中的時候呢台灣精準醫療民生及戰備還有綠電及再生能源的部分就在整個五大信貸產業當中其實感覺是消失的那對於這個部分的時候主委這邊有沒有什麼要特別補充覺得說這樣的一個調整主要是在哪裡 |
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基本上我們目前我們的看法是這樣六大核心戰略是要必須被延續的那五大信任產業是在這個延續的過程中我們要更大強化的區域那所以舉個例子在精準醫療的部分現在總統在推動健康台灣那他就有更大的包容性在這裡面所以他基本上他本身是一個持續性的政策推動 |
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所以你認為六大核心災害還是整個持續的只是這個當中的時候把五個產業當中特別挑出來去做重點的一個強化是這個意思嗎因為我們必須建立於過去的基礎上繼續發展 |
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8961.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
8976.878 |
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那我想問一下針對那個目前其實在整個費用產業鏈當中的時候其實我們知道無人機大聯盟在台灣開始也非常的蓬勃針對這個部分的時候我們是不是有特別的一個政策傾斜要如何去做這無人機大聯盟 |
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8977.959 |
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8992.59 |
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無人機的部分是我們現在是委由這個經濟部在主導成立了一個大聯盟那也成立了嘉義的無人機專區也有一些研究基地那我們現在從國科會也開始在輔導資助這個關鍵晶片的研發所以我們從整個晶片到它的陀螺儀也好到這個雲台也好整個 |
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整個產業鏈我們都做了一個精密的分析因為無人機它真的很特殊因為目前也許台灣在發展的是一個商用無人機可是因為商用無人機跟軍用無人機來說坦白說在一線之隔那我在想說這個部分的時候我想無人機其實某一個部分其實是台灣有條件去發展 |
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9025.757 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
所以本席對這個部分其實也有一些相當的一個期待因為我覺得這個部分對台灣來說不管是從經濟角度或從安全的角度來看都會有一些注意所以我們希望這部分能夠特別的去加強好 謝謝那接下來是我想問一下其實因為就是 |
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9044.585 |
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9059.691 |
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國發會這邊影響了很多跨單位的一個政策那107年的時候國發會出面主導的時候經濟部就公告了一個企業級法人申請外國級學生來中華民國實習要點那這個實習要點當中的時候呢目前來看它就是 |
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9090.147 |
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國外學生到台灣來實習那用的是停留簽證可以停留六個月六個月之後要再出去一次再進來六個月目前的機制是不是這樣子主委就我了解的是是這樣子我們也有接到業者的澄清跟反應我們也把這個意見反映到這個經濟部希望這個部分能夠有一些考慮目前我想他們還在政府的意見之間的整合 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
所以國發會這邊已經有把這個意見就是轉給了經濟部對不對因為時間太短尤其是李學業反映的比較多所以我們就把這個反映意見也給到了 |
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9105.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9130.125 |
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OK那因為那個旅館業其實從今年今年可以改成兩年了旅屬業已經開放對旅館業已經改成兩年了對這個就是我要問的接下來的點因為旅館業改成兩年非旅館業的部分都還是六個月而且他們用的簽證也都不一樣所以來台灣實習的學生手上做的對待也都不一樣所以本席在這邊是希望說能夠一體試用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
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也許都能夠比照旅宿業都讓他們來的時間長一點讓他們學習能夠完整一點然後針對這個部分您剛剛說您已經轉交給經濟部指的就是這個部分是不是我之前反映的是旅宿業我想您這邊有其他行業的話我也會 |
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會後未會遭我們希望所有的產業先能夠一體化不要一國兩制同樣一個外國學生到台灣來實習的狀態還有兩種不同的標準兩種的被對待的方式 |
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好那接下來的時候我再請教一個部分就是我問一個N-1的部分剛剛很多委員都特別提到我想問一下主委N-1的部分我們的法源依據是來自於哪裡你知道嗎 |
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恩檢醫主要就我了解原來只是對中國的部分但是這個在審核技術上面因為我們從國家安全的角度我們會在這個將來在這個投審的部分我們也會特別關注這個領域 |
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因為你剛剛提到一個點就是因為N-1的原則其實在大陸地區投資晶圓鑄造廠相關的部分的一個要點當中的一個部分因為N-1的法源依據在這裡那我們現在如果說要一體試用的時候那我在想說也許我們在法規面的部分也許要盡量讓它更完善一點 |
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好不好 好的那原來是可以引用國家安全但是我想委員的建議也很有道理我會找經濟部我們針對這一點來來做強化OK好謝謝主委謝謝好謝謝委員請謝依鳳召委質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我想要請劉主委請劉主委 |
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早安主委我想要請問一下其實在昨天有一個非常重大的消息就是美國的財政部長貝森特他說4月2號的時候那各國都會收到一個關稅編號那這個關稅編號就代表了各國要進口到美國商品的這個關稅水準 |
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我想要請問主委的是我們到底有沒有跟美國預先有做任何的談判然後已經了解了這個關稅編號的內容以及我們即將要面對到的這樣子的一個關稅水準 |
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跟委員報告因為這個負責處理的不在我這個層級但是就我的了解我們一直有持續的溝通那另外一個事情是說我們也有也有這個相關部會也在釐定這個萬一的因應措施那所以會在如果因為現在不知道結果是什麼所以等到有結果會有一些一系列的措施出現 |
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所以目前我們還不了解這關稅編號的內容我們目前是有劇本然後有在溝通就是有一些我們演練的那個情境但是我們沒有辦法完全的掌握美國那邊也還沒有完全的確認嗎是不是應該是各國都在溝通但是各國都在準備劇本 |
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所以各國都還不知道就是說他們所要面臨的這個問題是多少因為他是整個統籌在商務部到4月2號他才會正式的公佈因為他還會往上層到白宮嘛因為我們看到了其實現在就是他開針的這個對象裡面像加拿大墨西哥都是美國最第一第二名的這樣子前三名的這個進口國那我們是我們是第八名 |
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對是不是我們第八名但是對我們已經這邊有課徵到的是那個鋼鐵鋁的關稅對那如果未來他如果課徵對等關稅的時候我們台灣對有哪一些就是美國進口的產品那要課徵進口稅那如果我們未來出口到美國的產品有哪一些會被美國課稅 |
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你的情境裡面按照美國的說法他有對等關稅的概念那其實稅則拿出來大概就可以看到了那我現在是有比較高層在負責這個部分的規劃我大概沒有辦法來回答這個問題那這個規劃是有在進行中是我們副院長現在領導這個所以有多少進口關稅會被課對等關稅 |
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我們是相較是少的了 |
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它只有兩個原則一個就是降稅一個就是提稅只有兩個可能所以變因都存在但是因為每一個耗折都會不一樣舉個例子鋼鐵鋁增25%的稅因為台灣原來就是25%其實幾乎是沒有影響反而我們的競爭對手反而稅負提高了所以還是要看每一個不同產品的狀態有些產業我個人也去問過了 |
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那有些產業像有些產業他認為如果全球一起爭他的競爭力不會改變那最主要一個點我也跟委員說明台灣一般來講這種貿易的交易都是採用FOB的報價就是離岸價格然後由進口商負責報稅報關稅然後付關稅進口所以在2017川普那一波的時候多數的稅金是由美國廠商 |
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自行吸收但是也有部分廠商也有部分廠商他們覺得吸收不了就要求台灣的廠商搭配但是那要看每個廠商的bug and power那bug and power強的廠商是是就在上一波來講是沒有付關稅那有一些就會協助負擔這是它是一個協商的結果所以它整個的變動還是要看產業各個產業的情境 |
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9538.988 |
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9556.947 |
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那但是因為因應這一波的這個關稅上漲調漲那也會造成了美國的這個物價上漲那美國物價上漲本來跟台灣是沒有相關性的但是如果我們有相關的產品出口到美國的時候那如果 |
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在美國的廠商不下定那有可能他們預期就是說物價上漲導致於他們的銷量不好的情況下對於我們就會影響到我們國內的這樣子的製造業者那這一波就是大家非常擔心的也就是未來這個關稅的這個調整會不會影響到我們的出口的那個量 |
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這個以2017、2018那個時候來看它的影響並沒有那麼大但這一波就比較要小心了因為這一波在原來2017、2018並沒有COVID-19造成的通膨跟戰爭造成通膨的因素但這一波是有 |
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所以其實我們一直有在密切看每個月的美國零售指數跟這個就業的狀態以及它的整個CPI的變動其實大家都在Watch我們現在幾乎是定期都在查這個數字這個數字會推估出來未來您講的您提到這些情形存不存在因為我為什麼會跟你說因為我已經有一些中小企業傳產業者跟我說了 |
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他們已經就是他們的訂單都縮減了那在這個情況下如果就是美國的消費的情況數字不清楚的情況下就會影響到台灣的相關的產業那如果這樣子的時候我們要如何因應那怎麼樣子協助台灣的產業度過這個我認為這也是非常重大的問題這個大概實際要等那個 |
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這個負責單位提出來了那我大概這邊講一下我們大概有幾個方向第一個就是出口的部分我們怎麼去降低成本包括在運費包括在保險這些地方那另外在稅賦上面或是其他地方也沒有什麼可以補助的部分我們大概會依據產業別會有一些因應的措施那等到出來以後我們就會依據那個狀況拿出我們的劇本 |
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我們希望說行政部門真的要嚴加以待畢竟這個問題是非常嚴重的會影響到國內的這些傳產的業者那當然半導體也不用說了現在大家就在談半導體的問題嘛是不是那還有 |
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9718.309 |
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那AI就是你這個就是你阻折了就是說我們AI我們說的是說到2028年我們AI的人才缺口會到達35萬人這是你們估計的那所以你有提出三個解方就是說高教人才產學共育還有延染外國人才這三方面那未來你如何 |
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就是這三個部分你做的如何而且你在2025的階段性目標你能夠解決多少的AI人才的缺口我們目前有幾個在做的第一個是從校園校園我們推STAND的計畫就是讓一些非資訊科系的人可以去上資訊科系的課程那我們在去年這個部分已經達到了9萬多人了那第二個事情是我們從校外 |
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輔導這個非資訊科技的在參加像從速發部這個經濟部輔導的民間包括甚至貢源院那國科會輔導的民間然後包括勞動部都有提供相關的畢業生的一些職業訓練 |
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那這個訓練也會增加人數我們上次估了一下我們可以一年可以有大概12萬這樣的人數那另外一部分我們現在也會也會有橋外生的部分也會加入到這個領域來那另外我們最近如果我們的這個懶財專法這個公告之後我們也希望這個送去院來如果能過的話我們也希望利用這個懶財專法再吸引更多的人進來那你預計懶財專法可以吸引多少人 |
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9813.478 |
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懶人尊法我們現在分兩階段第一個我們這邊做的是法令開放讓業者更容易進來那唯一比較能夠吸引到的會是稅賦的部分那稅賦的部分我們最近也會在利用那個時間去跟財政部去做溝通我們希望在稅賦上面能夠參考新加坡為標準來吸引 |
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| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9827.053 |
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那這樣的話就會讓我們的說服我們目前是這樣他的年薪超過300萬以上的部分我們給他打對折五年那我們希望把這個標準再往下降讓更多的人才肯進來 |
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9827.884 |
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9852.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
那雙重課稅呢?雙重課稅的部分雙重課稅是國與國之間那要看我們跟那些國家啦那目前我們比較有在進行中的是那個美國的部分那美國的部分在上一個會期是在眾議院那現在要等參議院那參議院現在是之前在拜登的時候在眾議院現在要等參議院的結果 |
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那還有就是說我們根據就是Google Cloud跟那個人工智慧科技基金會的那個發布的報告裡面說明其實台灣的企業當中有69.3%的多數員工對於AI的知識了解都非常的都偏低那這個部分怎麼樣協調各部會因為如果我們對於AI的知識了解的偏低的情況下未來要推動整個AI的整體發展 |
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以及我們國家的就是AI產業的相關的競爭力的時候評比各方面就會相當的低那這個部分我們要怎麼加強 |
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對 這個部分應該我會找這個速發部來討論我們怎麼去協助兩個部分一個是企業資訊的部分一個是我們怎麼去提供更多的資資庫讓企業在訓練上面可以引用這些資資庫的教師來幫忙那另外我們也會試著在 |
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這個上市櫃協會這邊去這個公司相關的公司這邊去推動這樣的一個實質指導庫那另外就是我們現在有政府政府提供的一些教育訓練我們會更加的宣導去讓這個產業能夠派人來參加這樣的訓練好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
現在請呂玉琳委員做詢答謝謝主席 請劉主委 |
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各位在2月份國發會有公布了1月份的景氣的燈號中和整個判斷的話是34分比去年的12月份的38分是掉了4分但是我們從去年看到的整個台灣經濟的狀況是逐步復甦的情形那這個也擺脫了前幾年藍燈低迷 |
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| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
10016.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
據我們國發會的說法是因為整個經濟的動能就是受到AIAI這個產業新興科技整個的發展所帶動起來讓我們出口有更進一步的增加讓國外的很多大廠都到台灣來投資也讓我們的民眾可以支配整個我們國內內需的整個市場的活絡對不對是的 |
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那本席也特別跟我們的國貿署有調了一份資料我們看到了就是2023年我們整個對於出口總值是4324億2905萬元那2024年的話是4750億284億元整個產值也多了這個將近有426億的美元那看到的話這就是 |
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目前來講的話就是川普他上任之後的話他說要重回這個貿易這個 |
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這樣保護的這個措施所以要對各國課以這個關稅那我們也看到了他對於這個大陸的關稅要全面的話要增加了20%而對鋼鐵還有就是鋁的部分的話要25%那我們看到他有預告了4月份都對所有的國家都會這個這個對等的這個關稅都會來增加在這個部分來 |
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各國也對這個這個美國會有一些的比例的這個課稅的方面都會相對的因應那我請問諸位那目前來講的話我們的關稅施行細則還沒有公布那對於美國對我們的這個出口也是第二大這個市場那請問這個諸位那會不會影響我們下半年裡的出口率出口會下降出口總值會下降情形 |
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這個部分其實我們是兩件事在做一個是持續溝通第二個我們做一些因應那我舉個例子其實美國整個策略他還是希望在美國製造所以川普講了很多次了就是在美國製造會比較便宜如果課稅的話 |
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那所以呢我們現在因應比較比較目前機會比較大的像以譬如說半導體好了我大概跟業者我們談了三次那業者是認為呢有些業者他在美國有工廠他會從美國出貨那有些業者呢他認為呢只要是全球一起科稅那他們的競爭條件是一致的所以他們覺得主委那這樣子的話美國可不可能對我們國內的有哪些產業他會加徵這個關稅 |
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目前我們看到機會最大的是半導體因為它是從稅務平等來看只要我們的平均稅率高於它的那個產業就會有可能要嘛我們降稅要嘛就整稅所以國發會那你對這些產業你要如何協助跟各部會的話怎麼嚴厲因應的方案呢 |
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對 我們現在是這樣子因為它產業別的狀態是不一樣的我想委員應該前面有提到我們美國對於這個鋼鐵鋁去課徵25%的關稅那譬如說它全球課25%關稅的時候對台灣是沒有影響的因為台灣本來就課25% |
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反而對韓國中國這些稅負比較低的受到影響所以他不同的產業會有不同的因應的策略所以你要跟各部會做好研擬的方案有現在是現在是我們副院長在領導大家在做這樣的一個規劃坦白講我們最近也會在 |
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我們幾乎每個禮拜都開會可是主委你要知道如果整個出口的產值都萎縮的話也會影響國內整個產業搞不好我們的燈號又回到藍燈了是不是我們其實這個部分我們是一直在觀測美國內部的銷售數據跟就業的狀態還有它的CPI跟PPI所以國防會你有沒有做這個先前的評估嗎 |
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我們現在是很頻繁的在看它只要數字出來我們就有在看它的數字的變動我們希望整個景氣能夠維持現在的狀況然後讓產業變得比較穩定但是如果我們從AI的角度來看它可能整體的需求我們目前評估AI的需求是比較不容易下降的 |
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可是你現在看到加拿大或者是歐盟國家他對於他這個課稅這關稅的部分的話他們有採取這個相對應的方式就是報復性的課稅那你對這個看法呢我們台灣的話有沒有那個底氣有沒有那個魄力或者是我們能夠也有相對應的這個方案出來 |
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因為我們是高貿易依存度的國家所以我們還是會主張要跟世界各國維持友好的關係人家看我們課稅 |
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科稅這個也不是第一次在2017、2018都有所以我們一直在溝通我們看看4月2號溝通的結果那個時候再來去我們的因應措施目前有一些包括我們怎麼去協助因為我們國防會都很樂觀外銷成本 |
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你們很樂觀說現在我們的整個經濟的成長你們也定到3%如果這個情形一再發生下去的話這經濟成長你就要下修了嘛不一定喔因為這還是一個全球競爭的企業是一個競爭的狀態喔我舉個例子喔全球經濟如果0成長他去年呢跟我們買100億的東西今年還是會買100億那如果我們從別人別的國家手上拿回一些市場市佔率我們還有可能從100億拉到110億 |
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可是你這個關稅會影響讓所有的產品的成本都會提高提高之後的話我們整個全球的話就會有通膨的情形發生如果大家都一起漲價本身就是大家會在同一個競爭基礎上那現在是怎麼樣去驅動消費端 |
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主委是很樂觀啦但是你不要忽略了這整個對產業國內國外的產業都有很大的衝擊喔我們為了保護自己的話我們應該跟各部會趕快嚴寧方案出來這還是重要的好不好好 那本席想再加再來問我們主委一個狀況齁那因為台積電先問主委好了台積電的股票你有買嗎 |
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我沒有買你沒有買那你有沒有關心台積電的股票現在的情形因為我是問我們當然關心因為我們是他的大股東對就是因為國發會我們是大股東所以目前的股價一直下跌而在這種情形之下又美國這邊有預告說未來我們半導體可能課稅要到百分之八百分之二十五那在這種情況之下的話我們國人對於整個台積電 |
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這個未來的發展是不太樂觀也存在很大的疑慮尤其是說現在我們整個台積電到美國是來投資了將近1650億的這個美元那未來會再增加投資也是未來確定性的事情 |
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但是我們擔心的就是說我們的整個研發會不會移到美國去美國也說他們在那邊台積電會做研發中心會在那裡設置在那裡設置之後的話我們人才剛剛主委特別提到說還是台灣的人才最重要整個先進的研發製程的話都會在台灣研發半年到兩年的時間 |
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之後才會拿到美國去就做個製程出來但是我們擔心的是研發中心如果美國設置下去的話他們研發的速度如果比我們快更先進的話那是不是整個技術都會整個被美國控制過去了 |
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這個所有的技術一定產權屬於台積電所有所以其實台灣有很多公司在矽谷都是有研發中心不瞞您說包括台積電也有因為美國在某些領域還是有頂尖的領先技術整個半導體是從美國發過來的 |
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所以每一個公司在海外設的研發中心所取得的研究成果還是屬於這家公司的知識產權所以它還是會有營業秘密的保障所以技術還是有一定的保障但是主委你要知道台積電過去之後它底下上下游的產業鏈因為成本因為關稅的問題他們也都會外移到美國在外移的情況之下我們要如何鞏固在我們台灣整個產業的發展這個不是外移是擴大台灣的市場 |
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因為我們台灣本土的市場並不夠大那如果我們能走到世界的市場會讓台灣的產業更加多所以國發會更要具體的整個政策的一個作為才能讓我們國人對台積電這個護國神山更加有信心 是不是你們拿出你們的政策出來好不好我們是有的 謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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我們現在請邱志偉委員做詢答謝謝主席 有請國化會主委 劉主委 |
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幾個問題請教台積電初步在美國的投資是一千億美金這個數字川普總統是說一千六到底最後投資的數字是多少原來投資的六百五十億然後再加碼一千億 |
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所以加上原來的然後這個再新公佈了1000,所以加起來就是1650億是的後面還沒有第二次的或者第三次的要求目前就我 |
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得到的訊息是不會 目前是沒有對 我聽起來川普是蠻滿意的他說史上最大的投資之一啦所以短期內不太應當我判斷不會再有第二次 第三次的要求了那我覺得這個所謂護國神山神這個意思是什麼意思神這個意思是永生不滅這樣都沒辦法啦那神的地位啊 怎麼樣都不會被改變 |
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但是我們不能do nothing要do something所以國際基金作為這個台積電的大股東之一當然把先進製程把核心技術留在台灣這是最基本的對不對所以研發中心也要在台灣這個也是魏董事長的承諾 |
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他這個必須要跟流台灣所以這種情況之下這包括他的這個先進製程包括先進封測先進封裝這個部分他們都應當會留在台灣最近這個南方的大南方新矽谷的計畫大概是國安會在主導 |
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還是經濟部是國科會 我們協助國科會主導但是你們做一個整合我們做整體大規劃所以大南方新矽谷要從這個台南甚至乎嘉義到高雄到屏東那核心就是在沙崙台南沙崙跟高雄的鹿竹鹿竹橋頭兩個地方所以橋頭這個 |
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科學園區您去過嗎?我沒有去過有空去看一下,我可以導覽因為我每天都在尋那個科學園區旁邊有一個白浦產業園區白浦產業園區在哪裡?在橋頭跟岡山的交界離兩個交流道,還有兩個交流道我先爭取一個第二交流道有兩個交流道交通方便,又捷運通過 |
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又大概有80公頃的這個基地用水沒有問題 還有兩座再生水廠 也是我爭取的用電也沒有問題 興達火力 興達這個發電廠所以這個最好的區位 我覺得啊先進封裝這部分啊 是不是可以設在這個百五產業園區 |
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這需要 這我可以待會反映因為這個市場的需求是非常巨大因為你是大股東嘛大股東覺得這個未來公司的營運你們也可以表示意見嘛所以我是期待說這個是不是可以請這個主委你這個以大股東的身分是不是跟台積電能夠建議或者您可以去看一下看我說的是不是真的因為詳細的這個計畫已經準備很久了 |
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這等國安會推吧再等這個台積電來拍板我們定期有這樣的會議那個才會真正落實大南方新矽谷的計畫 |
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這個主委這件事情再有勞您了這個也跟委員報告這是由國科會在主導我們定期我是看到您是大股東的這個對我跟您報告一下我們定期跟台積電有會議去協助台積電那務必傳達我的想法這個生產的需求務必傳達高雄市政府的意願我會在這個會議提出來務必傳達大南方矽谷 |
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这个所谓高雄市民的这个共同的心声没问题的因为相关的主管都会在那个会议出现我会在那个会议提出来第二个问题请教这个新达海洋科学园区有位企业家 |
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鴻基的創辦人對這個區位他覺得非常好評估也非常好新達海洋科學園區目前有一定的基礎以前是一個要試圖做遠洋漁港後來沒有成功現在變成一個捕撈的漁港 |
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那如果有海洋科學園區的進駐在現有的規模之下我覺得發展會比其他區域會更好我也期待主委你可以去下山看一下這個施政榮先生有跟我提過一次因為我最了解我這十幾年 |
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十幾年我在新大怎麼樣讓新大海洋科學園區啊能夠成型我們現在有一定的基礎他非常看好金屬中心包括能源署他的山中心都在那邊然後這個船舶的設計也在那邊 |
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所以已經有過去還有這個新達海基還有離岸風電所以這個部分負力也夠但是需要這個中央大力的支持所以有機會我也會跟總統來反映或跟行政院長來反映所以國安會扮演一個這個整合者角度他的交通運輸啊他交通運輸他你知道協定嗎我知道 |
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相對的交通的效率沒那麼好但是我們決定紅線開到湖內大概也要六七年園區的開發怎麼樣做整體性的開發產業政策要怎麼配合法規要怎麼配合怎麼跟民間的企業包括施政榮先生的紅基金公司來合作我覺得要有一個平台國安會辦理這個平台最好 |
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是不是可以請國安會召集相關單位也召集這個私部門這些民間企業來共同怎麼催生來達成新達海洋科學園區的建置做一個平台 開一次會議 |
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這個是在大南方新矽谷的範疇內我們會找國科會一起來努力達成一個月之內把這個會議把它召開就由國安會來做一個統籌因為國家的重大建設需要國安會來做一個統合的角色而且你又是政委 |
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你又雙城市委 你又是政委 政委就負責協調嘛所以我期待 我在這邊拜託這個主委是不是由國發會來組織一個月之內召開跨部會協調會議怎麼樣把這個藍圖 把這個路徑都把它這個演繹出來我這邊 我會找國科會我們一起來規劃一下看看 |
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這個怎麼樣去實現委員交代的事這是一個月之內我拜託你好不好這個國家的產業政策要落實這件事要跟時間賽跑我也很急啊好的那第三個問題就是說這個產業失衡那這個我選區都是傳產鋼鐵啦扣件甚至有石化那傳產 |
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這幾年跟半導體比較起來 半導體把台灣的股票市場支撐起來但傳產的 比如說台塑 台塑世保 它的股價都腰斬在腰斬不只是這樣 它指標型的企業都是這樣子 那何況其他的中小型的比如說金屬扣件 我聽到人聲音說 政府好像把資源都放在半導體 |
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但是他們可能不了解我們政府也對傳統產業重視但我要提醒主委是說這個傳產的混進是發生在中南部中南部啊這個他們的心聲就是共同心聲說大家好像沒有一個有效的對策來針對這個傳統產業傳統產業分別有很多傳統的製造業 傳統的服務業 |
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我也跟行政院長也討論過這部分需要有一個很完整的如何提振傳統產業要一個完整的計畫我知道行政院有但是要怎麼去落實這個才是最重要的所以這個主委你覺得傳統產業要怎麼樣面對這些危機那政府該做哪些事情提供哪些協助 |
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這個我跟這個我會找經濟部我覺得委員的意見也很好我們看看能不能協助經濟部我們進行這個跨部會整合的來討論這件事情那我也會盡快給您一個報告林森想兩次通常不會讓林森想兩次 |
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這個問題太重要了 希望主委我提了請教您幾個問題 希望主委能夠有立即性的這個我會來處理謝謝主席好 謝謝我們現在請王洪威委員做詢答謝謝主席 我請劉主委劉主委 |
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主委您身為台積電的董事法就是政府的法人代表你在2月份有去美國參加台積電的董事會那請問一下當天的董事會裡面有沒有討論台積電要擴大美國投資再增加投資1000億美元的提案 |
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有或沒有委員是這樣子喔因為我是台積電董事齁我依法要遵守董事會的會議內容的秘密啦不過你是法你是政府法人代表請你能體諒那我可以用國安會的角度來看看台積電我沒辦法用董事的角度來評論台積電否則會影響到我現在得到的訊息是當天其實並沒有就是投資一千億美元的提案 |
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這個因為他是董事會的這個公司治理跟這個營業秘密好現在講公司治理請問一下身為董事您什麼時候知道台積電有投資美國一千億美元擴大的這個我可以跟你肯定講這件事情的話如果是什麼時候的話我是比大家早知道 |
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所以你在3月3號白宮記者會之前知道嗎?是的那你是在董事會的時候知道嗎?我是跟我們上層的整個政府同時都知道的 |
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好所以你並不是在董事會裡面知道因為你剛才提到你剛才提到公司治理因為確實台積電其實它過去是一家公司治理非常良好的公司但是在這個案子裡面其實為什麼我會要今天要問這個問題因為 |
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非常關心台積電投資的就是他們得到的資料很確切在美國的那場董事會特別到美國去召開董事會但是並沒有這個提案而且呢也沒有任何的重大訊息的公告所以擔心這樣的一個投資的這樣的一個程序是不是有違反公私自理的原則那麼 |
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我先跟委員報告一般來講公司的正統做法他會在董事會取得一個概要授權不是細節授權那概要授權之後呢當他確定之後他會提出一個完整的計畫經過董事會的核定那董事會核定之後呢他才會 |
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但是如果在董事會裡都沒有討論但是就直接的宣布這也就是我們外界所講的因為我們的政府一直說台積電的投資是沒有外力的 |
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那麼如果這個是一個正常的公司的重大投資他照理說應該在董事會裡面先行討論然後對外宣布這是不是應該正常的公司治理的程序但是如果違反這樣的程序難道 |
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難怪外界會認為這有所謂的外力的介入是不是委員我剛剛只是跟您報告我沒辦法去表達董事會的內容但是我並沒有說因為主委你作為政府法人代表這個其實不應該再隱瞞而且這個事情已經是公布它如果還沒有公布你是基於公司治理你不能夠先行公布 |
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公司沒有做重訓的公布你怎麼可以公布 可是這已經公布了那麼久了那另外我再確定一下因為後來川普接受媒體的訪問突然說這個台積電會有2000億美元的投資所以大家非常的驚恐因為剛才你也回答1000億美元是白宮宣布的650億美元事實上是在拜登政府時候宣布的所以加起來1650億 |
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可是當川普說會有兩千億美元的投資的時候一種可能就是川普碰轟他就自行的加碼另外一種是不是台積電仍然未來有可能進一步的對美國的投資包含投資英特爾 |
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這個問題我有去了解跟公司來了解這個狀況那因為他們也表達的清楚他們對媒體的回應說這件事是不存在那他們告訴我說他們現在的態度也是依據他們對媒體的說明內容 |
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所以川普那2000億美元是口誤或者是他自己錯誤的理解我個人的看法他應該是把台積電未來進去所做的營運的費用都放進去或者是供應鏈進去投資的費用算進來 |
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所以基本上還是應該1000億美元再加上之前的650億但是每個公司都有營運成本會在那邊發生那每一年都會發生那這個發生舉個例子好了如果公司的毛利是40%100億在那裡就會有60億的發生那所以他會有不斷的發生加上供應鏈的投資 |
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好 最後一句話 因為也響鈴兩次就是身為關股 因為我們還是最大的股東我覺得我們還是要嚴守 您作為董事要幫我們政府的關股來做把關 好不好是的 這個我一定會努力做 我一定會做到好 謝謝謝謝委員我們現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答 |
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好 謝謝召委 請留之為 |
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我先請教一下那個台灣的景氣的燈號從1月份出來看來是從紅燈降為這個紅藍紅黃燈黃對那主要怎麼看接下來的整個景氣狀況今年台灣的景氣狀況這個紅黃代表我們在一個溫和的成長狀態 |
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那我目前從AI的需求包括半導體先進半導體AI相關的訂單來看的話它還是會帶動我們的外銷持續成長那第二個部分是國內的投資我們今年預估會到5.7兆會造成創歷史新高那最近其實我們也看到很多產業會有集單進來所以目前我還是比較樂觀看所以樂觀看大概是整個景氣的狀況 |
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那我們也看到其實美國的財長他其實對於他們的整個景氣部分他擔心是疲軟甚至於民間部門是衰退的主委怎麼看待這個其實我們有在觀察舉個例子他1月份的民間的銷售指數他是衰退了0.4是這四年比較高的 |
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對那我們也在看他的領那個就業基金的就業基金的人數那的確有比較偏高我們其實有持續在在觀察但是他最近通膨是有一點下滑所以還呈現一個不是那麼明確的狀態 |
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所以你認為還要再觀察他有好消息有壞消息剛剛你講的這些好消息前面兩個是不好的後面那個是好所以我們還在觀察那包括他的PPI指數那這個會不會對台灣產生相關的一些聯動跟影響美國是我們的主要出國之一啦所以值得我們好好的去看他的變化 |
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所以主委怎麼看 審慎樂觀的看待這整個狀況目前還是審慎樂觀 但是我們還是要非常非常的小心因為政策 這個是一個很敏感的時候尤其是四月份 五月份會是一個我們很重要的觀察期四月份 五月份四月份會是一個很重要的觀察期因為四月份他會提出他們對於各國關稅的一個狀態 |
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那當然他有講到是說投資的多關稅就會少但是我們還得看一下是就等於是川普政府他在於關稅上面他最後的政策對我們還是得看他最後的政策因為他跟各國談判的結果就處理了所以想到這個景氣的方向因為我們難以預測現在各國都難以預測啦所以我們才會我會用兩個非常小心就是我們的確是非常在意這件事情 |
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那另外今年的經濟成長率大概各機關都評估3%以上主委應該也是樂觀的看待3%以上因為目前有些是訂單的狀態的確我想魏哲嘉先生在跟總統的記者會上也講他訂單滿到 |
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不能再滿,那也因為這樣還有新廠需求可以已經到這個程度那這個整體的發展看起來AI的變化還是持續往上走這個需求的變化還是很明確那今年的可能的這些的像川普的現象還有包括台灣內部的一些政治紛爭會不會影響到台灣經濟生產率的這個影響 |
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有些會影響啦有些我舉個例子好了我們政府投資會有縮減的現象那大概會有0.08%你講的就是說我們被大量的刪減跟大量凍結這些狀況嗎對包括我們前瞻預算並沒有審核嘛那這個都會造成這個會影響到多少的經濟生產率大概0.08%啦0.08%它會有一點0.08%的影響那如果解凍不順利的話咧 |
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解凍不順利我們可能要再算現在算的是解凍順利在上半年解凍是刪除的部分那另外就是0.08是刪除的部分另外還有一個就是川普上來之後全球在看他的政策都是會認為對GDP會有傷害就是傷害的大與小大概大家都有一個高中低的劇本那 |
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的確GDP會有一點影響但是我們已經考慮了這幾個因素進來我們唯一沒有考慮到的是前瞻預算跟現有預算的三減的部分但是川普的部分我們在去年估的時候有估進來了所以還是要努力的守住3%以上對 我們會去努力守住好 那我再請教一下這個對於我們的我看到國發會有些也被刪包括被刪了2.2億甚至被動了30% 3.1億左右 |
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這個對於我們的亞系計畫人才的計畫跟資安的計畫會不會產生影響這個預算三減多少會有影響那有幾個部分會影響比較大的還是第一個就是資訊的部分那個會影響到我們對資安跟政府公報 |
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那這個是影響比較大雖然金額是一千萬但是影響是比較大一點就是我們等於行政院公報會市安的部分行政院跟各單位包括團體兩百多個單位的溝通會有一點目前是稍微是有影響這個對我們影響是比較大所以雖然看起來它是一千萬可能它的影響會超過五千四百萬的地方 |
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另外就是各單位的電費其實我們在去年提出預算的時候沒有考慮到10月的漲價10月份在漲價之後其實再減15%統三下來其實就我了解不只我們各部會大概電費都會出現很大的挑戰好 因為10月有限我趕快進到下一個5400億400萬這塊也是影響比較大對我們這個產業發展 |
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主委一起努力啦我們來努力來改變這個那接下來是因為時間很有限那個亞洲資產管理中心這個是總統的政見這個也大力在推動當中那高雄已經有成立了第一個金融專區主委有在協助跟掌握吧有的有的有的我們目前有16家業者已經簽了MOU跟政府這16家都會進駐嗎 |
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他們都是表達高度的意願那同時我們現在在開放很多的銀行申請私人銀行業務那我們希望能擴大這個這個亞洲資產中心的 |
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的一些量能對 因為第一個點是在高雄來做專區的在雅灣對 那雅灣4月份開始進駐那7月份要正式來起動了嘛所以謝謝委員幫忙沒有 這個這要全力來出力那現在的部分它的範圍會不只在幾棟建築嘛我看了現在最新的規劃會在周邊的雅灣周邊都會做一些的區域都會做整個它會逐步擴大啦我們一開始先以操作為主OBU的操作那慢慢會再擴大業務量業務範圍 |
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好那除了16家銀行以外我看有些的我們的公股的部分像其他的像台銀、土銀這些未來會有機會來加入嗎因為我們現在就我了解來申請這個私人銀行業務的銀行是有增加的趨勢那這些都有可能會應該都會下去 |
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對我希望這不是只有金管會的事啦我希望也不是只有在我希望國發會用國家的整體高度這也是總統的政見所以這件事情也一定要成功的啦那特別是在現在的不管是國內資金或國際的一些資金我們希望他在爭取未來不管是新加坡甚至於香港甚至於日本的這些競爭上面 |
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在台灣在高雄取得一定的一個優勢那這有很多的配套措施必須要一併來處理我希望國發會用你們的高度來協助好的那另外是我要請教的是裡面其實還有一個重要的是稅負優惠的部分這個部分諸位有什麼看法怎麼推動 |
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稅賦的優惠的部分我們現在會協助這個金管會跟相關的部會去溝通稅賦的部分那包括這個是目前是比較重要那會隊的部分也在溝通中那看起來也算是比較順利 |
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那稅賦還要加把劍這幾樣都是重要的一個成功的那個不然為什麼人家要來到台灣來到高雄我希望在這一塊用這個國防會的高度去協助你也是政委我希望用這個高度去協助去做處理讓整個金管會讓各部會間整個動起來 |
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因為我覺得有些體系上相對是比較保守一點的那如果國發會用國家發展的高度去處理而且這也是總統的政見落實政見也是國發會一個重要的工作沒錯沒錯所以我希望用這樣的高度去協調處理更大的一個開放更大的一個彈性讓整個這個金融產業在台灣能夠更蓬勃的發展好的好不好這請主委再大力來推動好謝謝委員好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 我們現在請蔡議與委做詢答現在做以上宣告 我們中午不休息 延長開會時間至議程處理完畢好 謝謝昭緯 我們是不是有請國發會主委 劉主委 |
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蔡委員午安主委好主委那上午大概很多委員都跟你聊了包括台灣的半導體包括很多產業的佈局但是我覺得有一些跟生活比較有關然後比較增開的事情事實上也是我們國安會管的我們國安會就管國家的資金政策那我直接跟主委報告我們在講村裡的辦公室 |
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村裡的活動中心我們現在好多村裡是沒有活動中心的那為什麼要沒有活動中心呢因為我們內政部在補助村裡不管是活動中心或者是辦公室常常就是集會所我們每岸就補助400萬這個400萬已經20幾年沒有變了那我們知道現在整個營運的營建的成本都提高成這樣 |
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這一個補助400萬這件事情內政部補助400萬完全沒有調整這造成說事實上我們單地中央補助這400萬對地方來說第一還是抽不出錢對整個地方來說他還是沒有辦法達到所以我認為這400萬要調整事實上就這麼簡單 |
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這個應該國發會站在你們的高度跟內政部溝通一下就沒問題了吧我們會去溝通啦但是內政部他可能要看他現在可動之的預算當然因為現在又卡到明年財化法之後對現在又卡到這兩個問題所以當然這兩個問題卡在那邊沒關係我們先來講這些做現代事都變歹勢了就變醫療生命庭經外自己來就歹勢了對啊但是這都是一些很小的狀況 |
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那這些狀況都造成整個的自愛難行那這是第一個第二個就是說因為事實上台灣 |
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我們的這個少子化問題這個很嚴重所以在這個少子化問題的嚴重是讓我單舉兩個這天下雜誌的一個統計數字在2022年全台灣就有179個村裡這個村裡是沒有小孩子的當年度沒有半個小孩子出生整棟喔 |
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就149個然後你看幾乎每個地方都有新北26個我們嘉義縣竟然是第二名21個苗栗縣是9個那如果以另外一個數據來看的話有11個村以內是連鎖5棟連鎖5棟都沒有 |
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包括新北的平溪的青銅里啦 瑞芳的銅山里啦我們嘉義縣布袋鎮的考試里 梅山的這個壁湖村台南的中坑里 高雄岐山的中寮里連鎖五檔 一個小朋友就沒有三星出來這個當然有好多的問題 少子化本身也是一個問題但是第二個就是說 呈現出來就是這個政科 |
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樽咖沒年輕人當然就沒孩子的三星樽咖為什麼沒年輕人就是因為樽咖的土地因為氣氛的關係高度的持分所以樽咖的建地算沒用去年輕人我如果要買房子我還是我伯伯伯伯都在家裡我可能去選擇民雄我可能去選擇鋪子但是我不會選擇在鄰近的溪口或者是六角為什麼呢因為我的樽頭 |
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我年輕人在那裡 我要去哪裡都沒辦法 都是緝昏所以這個問題需要被解決所以我們這一次在國土計劃法 我們在展延六年的時候我們有訂了第八條 讓鄉村規劃入法就是說未來縣市政府必須要就鄉村的這個研擬鄉村的規劃 |
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這一個八條就鄉村規劃要怎麼增加至少它的地目必須做有效的一個調整第一個解決池噴問題第二個呢讓他們這個增加他必須要有所謂的三生嘛要有生活生產生態 |
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這都是國安會主導的那我現在想要請教主委的是說好那我們國有計劃既然已經有這六年的時間我們這六年的時間要怎麼做好鄉村規劃讓所有的真咖現在這個真咖的土地沒有辦法被利用的事情做一個解決 |
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委員講得非常有道理所以我這邊我來找內政部國土署我們一起來討論也跟內政部的劉部長我們一起討論看看怎麼樣去做好鄉村規劃那現在就我了解他們也有意願往這個方向去來做一個規劃利用這個6年的延展6年的這個期間好好地把整個鄉村規劃做好 |
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好 所以諸位我具體建議因為這個牽涉到的第一個池分問題也難解第二個地木問題也難解那這個當然就是說找國土署當然也要找農委會的那個水保及鄉村發展署大概這兩個單位是必要的那重點就是說國發會是不是能站在上位概念的一個立場我們應該要針對這六年先把要進行鄉村規劃 |
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中央政府我們用鄉村規劃的一個設計的一個規劃費用這應該是規劃費用是不是要先匡列出來而且他必須要一套計劃這六年我們需要多少我們假設每年可能會有多少聚落會有多少村莊想要走鄉規 |
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阿要走相規的時候應該他有一個前階段的一些預算阿之後才會有後面人要去簽同意嘛對不對阿要要轉年阿那都要時間,要不然第一類,一行的東西要先給空出來 |
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所以我覺得國發會這件事情至少可以先把這件事情先盤整好接下來再請國土署啊或者是農業部的這個這個水保局那邊讓我沒關係我們找內政部跟農業部來開會來討論這樣的事情好 |
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那這件事情就請諸位那第二個第三個議題就是說我們現在知道整個南台灣就是這個大南方的一個矽谷計畫那大南方矽谷計畫當然就是以高雄台南以及嘉義他們要怎麼把這一個 |
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晶圓的產業現在整個台積電的佈局不管是在台南或是高雄他們的晶圓的一個生產基地或者是未來在嘉義的封裝基地那這個地方變成一個大南方的一個矽谷那所以交通的問題才重要 |
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因為我們如果說三峽起來,一定要貨倉齊流,要如何讓流通,這些晶片要如何行山起來,要去封裝,封裝起來要去機場,機場用貨運每十載出來,這都是很多合文的,所以溝通的問題就要改觀,所以我們知道現在南科照跟高雄有一個S郎帶的計畫, |
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這S郎帶幾乎就是要南科到高雄那些整個園區包括沙崙園區包括南科包括橋科甚至到了高雄的小港那是S郎帶的部分我們的S郎帶就處理台南 |
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但是未來還有嘉科這一段嘉義、高雄、台南、屏東四個地方對,屏東,對,到屏東嘛到屏東好,所以這個S郎帶起來後上面還有一段就是從太保到南科這一段所以主委你可以看這段是什麼這段是不是 |
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我為這條橘色的這條是什麼?37的延伸這條就是高鐵高鐵這條就是高鐵高鐵就是沿著台37線在上面台37線但是台37線你看只有到只有到這個太保這裡的燈 |
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所以這一段好可惜因為這一段就是高鐵喔所以我們現在台37線的延伸就是所謂高鐵下面高鐵的高架的下面這條台車樓所以你看徵收也很方便這條坐起來很方便的你現在這一條你看起來是一個I型的對不對 |
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所以我剛才說SI,S人道,這條就是叫做I人道SI是什麼?SI就是系統整合就是C啦C喔C喔C喔,不是死去的C喔C是什麼?C就是晶圓啦所以我講的這條SI的產業人道 |
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對不對就是所謂的以後就是這個矽谷的一個重要的一個幹線所以我要跟主委說現在既然有S郎代要做為台南高雄屏東現在跟嘉義這條I的部分第一年不分是不是也是要做 |
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要走 要走 因為這會經過新營流營嘛那邊也很重要不是 維泰堡新娘 新娘一直拼下去到新七這個整個又因為高鐵的橋下道路所以方便徵收 |
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所以做起來也會比較符合成本可以遵截然後又可以有一條筆直快速的道路以後所有的這個晶圓產業不管是要跑去哪裡要跑北跑南都方便 |
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所以主委這點讓你來支持你來推動出來我們來支持啦我了解現在在做一個可行性研究啦但是可行性研究會拖可行性研究會拖所以我建議分段實施分段實施好啊我們來跟一個對 你知道可行性研究它又牽扯到每一個地方有不同的環評的條件該環評還是走環評但是不用環評的地方可以先分段為實施比方說我們太保到新營這一段 |
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這個就沒有環評的問題因為它中間比較沒有經過一些人家說的失地的地方我認為像這種可以跳開環評的我們應該就要先實施可以這個可行研究一過就可以做分段實施了就可以跳開照圍的方式來跳開那就請主委來規劃一下S.I產業人道講好S.I產業這樣提供廢話住地我們就是一定要拚好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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我們現在請林倩琦委員做詢問好 謝謝主席還有各位部會同仁和立委同仁 大家好我是不是先請劉主委劉主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
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本期長期在教育文化委員會所以對於整個人才的培育非常的重視所以今天整個質詢的議題大概聚焦在如何強化國際與本土專業人才的延攬與培育確保我們的產業競爭力 |
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所以我這邊談一下依據我這邊調到的資料在113年到115年重點產業人才供需調查及推估當中台灣有18項重點產業有8項面臨人才的短處 |
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那么其中IC设计、智慧机械跟数位医疗等领域的缺口特别严重,超过七成的企业明确指出专业人才不足。那我这边想请教主委,你们是不是已经有掌握整个IC设计、智慧机械、数位医疗等产业的人才缺口,那么目前实际的短缺人数是多少?那第二个部分是针对这些产业的人才短缺,那你们有哪一些具体的措施跟成效评估的机制? |
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跟委員報告我們在做人力需求推估的時候我們的確就是依據產業比來做推估那我也跟委員報告我們在做比較細的探討跟教育部這些單位在探討的時候他們覺得最大的麻煩是 |
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台灣產業要的是次產業跟次次產業的能力需求譬如說IC設計它有邏輯的有類比的然後又依據製程它又會有不同的變化那又依據用途又有不同的變化那他們整個從政府的角度來講光一個IC設計可能就會分出二三十種的類別 |
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那這樣的人才的規劃上面是目前我們遇到比較大的困境所以是在這個細節的這個部分所以我們現在只能做到就是您這邊寫到的像IC智慧機械 數位醫療我們有這個數字我們可以送過去您辦公室給您 |
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好的 那就麻煩您補一下這個資料但是我們在執行上就會目前比較大的困境是在產業要的是更是的 這就是本席來這邊要跟你們探討的因為過去我在對於教育的這個部分的人才有一些關注那當然我也很關注的未來的這個學用合一的問題所以除了您剛才講的那個資料是不是也可以把你們對於這些具體的措施一個成效評估的機制也送給本席你們如果有相關的資料 |
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好不好好的好謝謝那第二個部分就是我剛才講到的那個學用合一那麼國發會你們在110年8月開始推動強化人口及移民政策那目標是希望在110年到119年延攬7萬名的國際專業人才那裡面包括國際的5萬人還有特定的專業人才要2萬人那可是審計部在112年的決算審核當中呢指出你們應該進一步來掌握就業金卡 |
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的取得情形還有來臺就業狀況及申請意願並強化Talent Taiwan國際人才服務及延攬中心與各機關的協調來改善這個延攬的成效所以我有針對一下幾個人才的目標進度還有就業金卡機制的實施成效Talent Taiwan中心的運作效能還有你們在跨部會跨機關協調的成效評估這幾個問題 |
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如果這裡面有你直接可以用口語回答的,你就跟本席回答如果沒有,麻煩你補資料好嗎?那我剛剛講到那四點,您有沒有可以直接跟本席回應的?我跟委員報告,我們現在就Telen台灣就業金卡我們現在是定期有在掌握數字到上個月為止是一萬兩千多張卡片 |
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那大概這裡面有些人他是用業主的方式進來的因為他是比較高端我們這次給的是月薪16萬以上的這樣人才所以有些人會在國外出差等等大概有40%左右的人在台灣 |
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所以您剛才講的這個比例結構我想時間的關係您是不是把相關的資料送給本席好嗎那上面我剛剛有講了四點希望你們的同仁有記下來就是知道嗎我應該不用再補述那個目標我們是存在的 |
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那另外我也跟您報告我們現在會做一個改變就是我們會以通路改變從企業的角度就是我們在攬財的通路要擴大我們過去比較仰賴Talent台灣自己做我們希望把它擴大將來會變成民間企業組然後分到部會去然後大家一起來拉然後這個量才會變大 |
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好的這也就像你們現在跟勞動部經濟部還有教育部的聯繫我希望也能夠更緊密當然你們現在有對產業那我相信這幾個部會應該在對學校對產業還有對其他相關的這個他們應對的組織或人口 |
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會給你們更大的一個支持所以可能部會之間也要再更緊密接下來本期要談的其實就是人才培育跟產業學的合作那這個就談到本期長期關注在整個教育體系怎麼樣培育人才的這個部分所以目前儘管今年 |
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大家在這個資工等等因為AI產業的關係我們有很多學生要進入這樣子一個領域但是人才的數量跟品質其實還是沒有辦法同步的提升這除了在教育體系我們對學生品質提升以外那個在人才的這個部分我想跟您請教產業界也有普遍反映大學畢業的學生技能跟實務需求落差過大那要直接上線的時間也比以前越來越長 |
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那你們如何改善產學落差的這個問題然後讓學生能夠畢業及就業那第二個部分是你們是不是有具體的計畫來提升理工畢業生的實務技能可不可以提供某些誘因來鼓勵企業與學界合作加速人才養成不過這個部分本席因為在教育委員會大概對於教育部所提的機制有蠻深的了解本席今天問你最主要是想從國發會的這個觀點 |
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國家整體的政策戰略地位來探討這個問題那你可以有很快的跟本席做一個回應嗎那如果沒有就補資料好不好好 |
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那這個我大概很快講一下我們目前對於產協落差的部分我們現在是有補助到協助到研究所這個層級那協助這個研究所這包括博士生研究所整個以術生為主海涵博士生我們讓這個產業的業師進來教課那我們協助他們可以在學在那個教師費成本上面我們有協助他會不會是你們主政的嘛對不對我們不是主政 |
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是出錢協助教育部所以是教育部提出來的嗎對 這些還是以教育部為主那剛才我提的就是跟產業界合作怎麼樣加速我們就書面報告給你是的最後一個可以請你直接本席這邊要了解應該是我們的高階人才外流的數據其實我可以請教你很快的主要目前流向哪一些國家那面對高新挖角的台灣人才那我們有 |
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調整薪資結構的一些想法或政策規劃嗎或者是提高某一些誘因來留任高階的人才 |
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我們高階人才外流就我的了解在實務面的話對岸的比較多因為他大概都用兩倍到三倍的薪資把我們挖走但這個裡面同時也常常會產生糾紛您可以看到新聞譬如說台達電等等都有去控告他一些離職的主管那這個部分我們是有提醒各單位我們是不是可以參考 |
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營業秘密法跟國安法來做一些比較關注另外有一些是到歐美所以您這邊提到對岸是最多我這邊其實也有建議說你怎麼用提高誘因與其現在圍堵或者是用禁止的方式有沒有可能我們內在本質也可以做一些調整我的意思是更積極念我剛才講到透過誘因來提高人才的留任率我們是想從誘因來下手 |
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我們現在請鍾嘉賓委員做詢答 |
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主席 在堂的委員先進 列席的政府金融市場官員會長 公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們國發會劉主委和國土及離島處的黃處長和法治協調處的林處長請國發會劉主委及相關的單位 |
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好 主委好 兩位處長好那我今天要問的就是台電吸收的離島供電虧損達千億那國發會應該盡速依離島條例來撥補來 請教一下 主委這是最近的一個新聞台電虧損達4200億預算照三減面臨漲電價調漲你認為一般民眾需不需要電價調漲 |
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呃 民眾 呃 應該是不希望 當然啦所以我們民意代表呢 也認為說最好是要撥補齁然後呢 如果要漲的話呢 店戶小店家盡量調的幅度小一點 盡量不要漲但是呢 就在我們上星期3月9號呢 有個新聞喔自由時報在星期天喔他千億撥補渺茫啊 財務壓力沉重台電你追討1100億的離島補貼離島建設條例 是不是國發會管的啊 |
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是不是行政院行政院管我們代執行對你們執行你們是副主任委員嘛這個基金好那為什麼要撥補呢你們看一下您知道台電的發電結構吧一般的火力發電高於平均電價成本2.78他高了一點點2.87其中燃油最高燃油高達7.3什麼原因因為離島這些地方呢都是小規模的都用柴油發電成本很高嘛所以台電是賠錢在賣電是不是這樣子 |
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是的所以我們的離島發電的虧損怎麼樣89年通過離島經濟條例 它說離島用水用電我們中央目的事業主管機關審核後審核中央目的事業主管機關這個應該是經濟部要編列預算撥補資 |
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可是89年通過90年行政院說這個拜託請台電自行吸收好奇怪立法院通過的條例行政院居然說叫台電自己吸收可是102年到104年經濟部有撥補34億您知道嗎 |
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國發會知道嗎我不清楚國發會知不知道這個有撥補我們國發會沒有撥補沒有嗎沒有那我們看一下但是從105年開始又不撥補了行政院去函說不撥補了而且這個還告知經濟部但是呢113年就是去年的經濟委員會審查預算通過一個決議那麼要求離島基金延逸撥補台幣的可行性國發會有沒有收到 |
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你們有收到,而且你們發函,今年就發函問經濟部你們1月14號發函問說請經濟部研議相關內容提供給國發會,有沒有想起來了來,處長說一下 |
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跟委員說明因為我們為了這個議題我們有發函給經濟部經濟部的回應就是說希望離島基金來做撥補順便也跟委員做個說明其實以現在離島條例來講第14條的規定是中央目的事業主管機關審核後然後編列預算那以目前水電來講其實都是經濟部在編列預算很好很好我們要請法治的林處長來 |
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那個是逗點目的事業主管機關審核後 逗點編列預算撥補資林處長這個逗點後的主持是誰啊離島建設條例主管機關是行政院他只有說請中央目的事業主管機關審查審查那份金額告訴行政院對不對 行政院一開始說你經濟部自己處理但是我們立法院要求怎樣要求要離島基金來撥補離島基金誰管的 |
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呃離島基金是行政院管的嘛對行政院管但是你是副主任委員你們負責執行嘛我們負責執行所以就當然問你啦這個預算撥補寫在經濟部說用離島基金來撥補啊你們同意嗎我們對 |
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跟委員報告 這個我們有洽詢過台電那你們 他經濟部發刊來啦說你們用理老基金撥補 有沒有能力啊理老基金剩多少跟主委報告 跟委員報告理老基金現在113年底剩8.86億8.86億好啦那每年台電的 |
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撥補到離島大概是51到60所以這個額度會差很多主委聽到沒有這一筆帳你們都清楚但是你們是礙於怎樣靠爹沒錢啦所以請台電說你們還是找經濟部啦往下看來我要不要往前跳來用虧損供水虧損有撥補誰撥補的是經濟部嗎經濟部是經濟部好那經濟部今天不在但是經濟部的水啊一點點他就自己掏腰撥就算了但你說的供電的虧損是多少 |
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五十億啊好 那五十億你們補不補啊我們來看 可以不補嗎主委你認為可不可以不補應該我們的額度是沒有辦法不管嘛 那是行政院的事情嘛你認為應不應該撥補依法要不要補 它不是法定義務這個是我們的法定義務是不是法定義務這還是中央目的主管機關負責的部分這是行政院禮導條例的法定義務好 |
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如果你們不撥補會遇到什麼情況你知道嗎如果台電國庫不撥補台電的民股可以提告喔有沒有可能林處長有沒有可能提告台電公司有民股啊你依法的法定義務你行政院不負責民股會告你啊有沒有可能 |
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好那告訴你來往下看所以目前離島的發電累計虧損的是1100億他決意要撥補的是2000年到2011年告訴你們還差了550億多後面還有2016年到2024的還要撥補所以加起來要那麼多好最後的結論了好結論你來看一下往前跳你們看到沒有113年離島建設基金的決算剩多少8億8 主委你們管的離島建設基金只剩這麼點錢 |
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人家要的帳是1100億 你怎麼辦怎麼辦 |
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這件事情並沒有到我這來我想是不是讓我去了解一下好那我告訴你怎麼辦往下看最後結論請國發會你繼續函詢經濟部去計算2012年到去年的離島供電的虧損數額問他一下問清楚到底這筆賬總共多少錢第二請你去找主計總處去研究一下預算是編列在經濟部的明年度的公務預算還是要撥補到你的離島基金用離島基金依法去支應這筆錢可以嗎 |
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這個找主席總督研究一下這我們可以來研究一下到底整個詳細的內容好那因為主席邀我下台了我先最後說一句話就是你要知道啊如果是用離島條例的離島建設基金那是法定義務行政院送過來立法院不能刪但是如果你放在經濟部的公務預算我們去年把今年的就砍掉了這也是說給主席聽的謝謝謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席我想要先謝謝嘉賓委員 為離島的鄉親說話因為我現在服務金門馬祖 謝謝你好 我們要請主委 謝謝劉主委 |
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主委午安好主委午安喔呃此時此刻我們大家現在看到這個美麗的風景喔不知道主委你有沒有去過呃我去過馬祖好去過馬祖這個畫面就是馬祖喔那再下一張 |
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右手邊是連江線左手邊是金門喔這兩個美麗的島嶼呢我想不管他在文化上或者是生活風土民情上或者是經濟建設交通建設教育建設其實真的仰賴中央非常非常多的資源那我自己非常好奇喔就大的方向我們來看好了國發會114年度預算遭到大幅的刪減我想要知道就金門線還有連江線 |
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目前我們可能在這個預算大幅刪減情況下會造成哪些影響 |
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我們主要是 我們從大方向來說就好好不好我只有4分鐘我們主要是離島基金我們被刪減了5000多萬然後另外就是我們在地方創生我們跟金門跟這個馬祖也都有很多的這個往來那這個部分也預算也受到影響主要是這兩個部分那再來我們就是我們資訊的那個行政院公報我們要公告到會跟這個金門跟馬祖 |
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的政府這個縣政府的這個往來的資訊也會受到影響所謂往來資訊受到影響可不可以說清楚一點我們有一筆預算是來負責政府公報跟行政院可以把任何的事情可以跟縣市政府地方政府還有一些民間團體的即時性的溝通跟公告那這是每天都要做的所以這個也受到影響那是個受到影響因為他直接被 |
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被剪裂還是凍結剪裂所以看起來確實有一些業務已經受到了影響我想要談不管是剛剛鍾嘉斌委員說的離島基金或者是所謂電費跟水費的補助到底是要透過經濟部還是透過行政院那個離島基金的部分 |
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其實確實在很多議題上已經受到干擾受到影響那當然我認為這個是我們在立法院跟行政院必須要積極解決的事情我當然也期待更多立法委員可以一起支持可是就地方的鄉親來說大家的日常生活要照顧自己的日常生活已經很辛苦了我很希望我們後續可以趕快進行實質的討論如何解決剛剛主委您說的那些問題尤其是您剛剛說的地方創生 |
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過往我也來自地方創生在更早叫做社區營造的工作我完全理解對於地方創生對於這樣的偏鄉來說其實非常的重要後續我們真的希望可以努力改善這個可能性當然主委這不是你努力就夠我們立法院希望可以跟您一起努力接下來我想要講另外一個議題在今天目前我們走進委員會之前相關的復議案已經超過10萬人連署 |
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關於凱凱案有人提出我們先不討論實質內容因為每一個民意都展現他自己所在意的價值那立法委員如何修法行政機關如何回應這是後續的事情但是我們看到昨天晚上有產生這個當機的狀況不知道主委您知不知道昨晚當機的是抱歉我們沒關係我們讓您的同仁幫你回答好不好 |
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好 沒關係 主委 我跟您說3月18號晚上因為大家太關注凱凱案了所以這個系統就無法順利連線在這個平台上就寫著公共政策網路參與平台近日因瞬間流量過大造成網路中斷其實我也想要提醒我們相關的這個壓力測試我們來看下一張其實在過往公共政策參與平台成案的負益量 |
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今天這個案子來到史上新高已經超過10萬而且在我們此時此刻對話同時我相信它正在增加那確實它可能真的對國發會這個公民政策連署平台造成影響我們後續如何讓它的這個系統防範做得更好而不要因為人民對某些議題的積極參與讓剛剛那個連線無法順利的情況再次發生不知道主委我想要這邊你有沒有比較清楚這個狀況 |
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我這樣我了解我回去會找我們的同仁來討論看怎麼樣把系統做看看預算當然我也很擔心預算啦我不是砍預算的人我是支持預算的人但是我很擔心因為我們的資訊預算被砍的比重比較高我回去看一下我們怎麼樣來應變這個比較重要的議題這個確實非常重要我想今天就先說到這邊後續有很多議題我們可以推進一起來討論謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |
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我們現在請張雅玲委員做詢答謝主席 我們有請國發會主委 劉主委 |
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主委好我還是想要針對促轉基金這個問題持續的跟主委做一些釐清雖然我們昨天有做一些討論不過我想要再確認幾件事情就是說因為我們昨天在講促轉基金這個東西您有提到說會有一個平台讓大家可以直接來提案我想確認一下就是說因為過去促轉基金的運作方式都是部會去跟促轉基金申請申請那其實 |
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我們昨天就是講嘛就是它這些用途其實都非常的重複那我現在要提的就是當這個案子我昨天講的這個案子如果我們有一個台灣也要做一個類似這樣子的經驗館好了可是這裡面可能涉及的是有博物館展場是文化部如果大家覺得說我們應該要來收集兒童的聲音就像猶太博物館之前也是收集兒童的聲音嘛 |
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但這件事情又是主管機關又是衛福部那如果有人大家會想說我外面想要做一個遊戲場主管機關好像又是內政部那請問當民間有一個這樣子的想法的話他到底要怎麼去進行這個平台或是這個流程大概會是什麼可不可以請主委詳細說明一下 |
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好的,就我了解了,當然也許我們局長可以再補充,就我了解,這是一個整合的案子,進來會先進我們國發會,那國發會會診之後,我們會送進我們的委員會,然後委員是由政府跟民間委員所組成的,他們會來核定這個案子,就我的了解是怎樣呢?還是請局長詳細的說明好了,謝謝。 |
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目前我們規劃要建置的這個平台除了可以申請可以公告我們的聯繫傳口跟提出申請案之外我們也特別會設置一個申請的專區那如果有跨部會的話我們會透過會審機制來 |
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综合各部会的合作另外就会提到我们的基金管理委员会来做最后的审议所以这个流程就是说假设我今天提的这个案子我们就依循档案局下面的一个申请窗口把我的企划我的想法送到档案局那档案局不会做任何的审查就直接会看他觉得哪个部会比较适合就把这个案子分到那个部会吗是这样吗还是我们会看这个案子的性质还有它的额度 |
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那因為會涉及到那個各部會的專業的判斷因此假設是單一的部會我們會直接請這個部會來評估這個案子有沒有重複以及是不是放進我們的未來的計畫如果是跨部會的話我們會敬請會審之後初步歸納一些初審的意見然後再提報到我們的基金管理會這邊來做最後的審議 |
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這兩件事情齁 我這樣聽起來有兩如果說今天它非常明確是單一部會的話就是你們收到案子後就直接派發到那個部會嘛確認沒有重複之後就會進到後面的這些審查的部會自己送到促短基金的委員會來做審查嘛 對不對好 但是如果今天是跨部會像以這個例子來說它跨了這麼多部會那你們要如何的去判斷這到底要分到哪一個單位呢會不會每個單位都說這不屬於我的那這件事情該怎麼辦 |
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假設是屬委員所舉這個例子您提到有相關的部會那這些部會都會是我們邀請來談同時我們會找行政院的人權署以及主計總署等等我們會來會商它的可行性已經有沒有這個重複那另外這個整個因為如果是大案子我們會最後會提報到基金管理委會這邊來做最後的審議 |
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因為同時也想跟委員補充報告的就是在這個時候抱歉我先確認一下就是說在他送到基金管理委員會之前還不會確認是在哪一個部會對不對我們會建議我們會建議給委員參考所以等於是說好今天呢我們有這麼多不同部會我們會找他們一起來討論討論之後你們有檔案局這邊會建議一個單位 |
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我們會建議方案給委員 請報到委員會這邊來做討論所以這東西最後就是透過這個促轉基金的審查委員來決議這個案子到底要不要派到哪一個部會那到底是要多少預算對不對是在這個委員會裡面來處理那我想再確認一件事情就是說在額度的部分因為你剛有提到這個額度那這個額度原本的上限是設定多少呢 |
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我們目前對於各部會提報的預算並沒有上限民間提案的預算目前規劃上也沒有打算有上限那剛剛講到額度的部分是什麼額度的部分指的是它的核定的程序我們目前有一個給基金管理會的國發會院院士管理機關如果是200萬以下我們在這個流程裡面可能這個主委這邊是召集人 |
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主委核定了之後我們就可以請部會來執行假設是高於這個額度我們就必須要經過基金管理會事先的審查那剛剛如果是兩百萬以下我們要事後跟基金管理會做被查超過兩百萬就對了好 再問最後一個問題就是如果說我想確認一下就是說在基金委員會的部分會不會遇到那個部會不願意承接的狀態我想這個要透過協調這個協調會是由誰來處理呢 |
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基金管理会就是委员会这边是有足够的职权来做这件事情吗或者如果我们有需要的话也许可以透过行政协调的部分因为行政院的这个仍然是有业务单位在处理所以会透过可能到时候会请政委来协调对不对也有可能 |
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目前我們文化部其實有設置國家人權博物館委員提到了這個例子目前在人權博物館裡面其實它有相關的一些計畫在推動也有申請促轉基金來做推動我想這個只是我舉的一個例子其實國外的案例其實是非常非常多 |
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對那到底他是不是可以用國家人權管的預算因為其實國家人權管的補助經費相當的少在這一次的預算砍了之後就更少了所以要他來做這件事情其實相當的困難所以才會希望土土短期進來更多的開放然後讓民間的力量可以進來謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員我們現在請武力華委員做詢問 |
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謝謝主席 有請國發會劉主委 |
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主委午安在氣候變遷因應法的第三條有提到公正轉型裡頭呢有提到援助民族那這個公正轉型的定義呢如果根據OECD它的解釋就是說永續的就業產業以及經濟形態進行審慎的計畫與投資 |
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那我也知道國發會是負責就是中央各部會學者專家民間團體公民參與機制收整的意見訂修之後提交給國發會由國發會整合為國家公正轉型的行動計畫那我在1月14號 |
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我跟國發會經濟部能源署有受邀環境權保障基金會的一個邀請就是出席一個叫做台灣原住民族與地熱的論壇那整個結論就是說希望比照歐美紐澳等國來爭取原住民族地區能源開發的第一桶金然後也希望台灣應該要有原住民的地熱政策請教 諸位 |
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您覺得這個您贊同嗎這我個人是贊同的好 謝謝那我看一下我其實在上一次我有質詢過經濟部那當時有一個案例就是在台東的金輪這個小小的地方有四處就是民間地熱發電廠 |
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來去做專探來做投資而且他選擇的全部都是私有地那我們姑且不論他是不是為了要規避公有地要做部落諮商同意但是我有根據當時地方的一個訴求也跟經濟部來表達說應該針對部落諮商同意要有一個行政指引也要有一個爭端協調平台然後呢要有政府投資部落入股 |
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以及地熱專區的試辦點辦理公聽會以及新型態的一種夥伴關係的討論那這個部分其實需要錢所以呢我們也就看了一下在我們主則的這個已經有看到 |
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在2023年已經匡列了338億多來做公正轉型的一個裁員可是呢我們看了一下發現說這個地熱呢是把它歸類到第三項叫做前瞻能源它的公正轉型預算是0理由是說 |
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這個已經納入戰略規劃未令編列公正轉型預算喔好那我們再來看看國發基金我們發現關於綠能的部分63項到68項大概都是水利啊太陽能啊電池啊也是沒有地熱好 |
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那在這裡我就要特別看了那提到說已經列入戰略行動計畫那戰略行動計畫呢我們看到在前瞻能源因為地熱被歸類到這邊他是提到說要建立原住民利益共享機制單一的窗口再生能源發展條例的訂定增訂地熱專章促進就業機會因此我們來看一下 |
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這個你們提到的原住民利益共享機制就是提到說2022年這個賺購費率新增原住民的利益然後費率加成1%那我們看這些民間他是怎麼樣去做所謂的利益共享 |
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部落的辦理收穫季他就去捐個10箱啤酒啊 20箱個水這樣的一個贊助機制也許這個就是大家想像的利益共享機制那第二個呢我們來看一下提到你們說再生能源發展條例要增訂地熱專章但是只有提到公有土地但實際上大家都在討論地熱它不屬於私有地主它是一個共享的資源 |
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那再來第三個戰略就是說要單一窗口但實際上我們需要的是政府業者部落融資的四方合作平台來做部落投資部落入股因為在國外就是做這樣的公正轉型基金然後呢去促進民間投資公正轉型 |
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那再來第四個問題你們說要促進就業但是這樣的一個所謂的促進就業就是怎麼樣吸引外來的業者但是呢當地就業人才的培育而不是說在自己的土地上做低薪的勞工我要說的是這個種種 |
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其實都有很多是我們自己在辦公室的想像但是我很高興因為我有看到夜報說要提到做治理沙盒其中一項就是地熱發電所以呢 主委我在這個地方因為時間很短我就是希望說能夠把這個沙盒去加入做部落回饋機制的一個沙盒計畫還有部落投資入股 |
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私有地開發部落同意之際的一個機會為什麼這樣說因為部落公法人園民會也在院長的同意之下今年已經開始選定一些部落要來做部落公法人那這是一個很好的機會那另外呢我也是希望說再怎麼樣我們都希望提出一個地熱公正轉型尤其是對原住民族地區的一個具體工作項目還有呢 |
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所謂的國發會國發基金編列地熱的公正轉型的預算那除了因為時間很短我也沒有辦法提供充裕的時間請您來回答但是我是希望說4月1號我們在那一次的論壇有說要辦一個公聽會所以我也言出必行所以在4月1號我們會在立法院辦一個地熱的公聽會那我希望說那個時候國發會能夠針對這些問題能夠有做出一個好的回應可以嗎 |
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好的 我想我們會請我們團隊到您辦公室我們具體討論先來做一個討論是不是對 因為這個其實第六是我當時我是我放進來的意見謝謝那主要是在永續會的時候有些委員提出來我覺得這個意見是蠻好的好 |
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那因為我們未來在地熱的發展是一個主要的方向所以我想說把這件事放進來也許會讓事情的推動更容易非常感謝所以我會請我們的團隊規劃一下我們再跟您報告好 謝謝主委您做出這樣的態度謝謝您也謝謝主席好 謝謝那我們現在請黃建斌委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請國防委 劉主委劉主委委員無案主委無案 主委本席是內政委員會的委員 很難得今天有這個機會到經濟委員會來跟您交流 |
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首先本席要先對您表達讚許在去年0403的強振重創花東之後您親自站上第一線幫花東的地方創生的業者行銷那也獲得企業界的響應採購我們當地的一些商品那國發會執政外賓的禮盒裡面也特別選用了我們台東的紅烏龍那協助推廣台東優質的農產品 |
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那因此本席相信對於東部地區去年面臨強震颱風重創交通觀光及產業您一定了解東部目前的困境那也很願意來幫助東部的鄉親所以本席今天就希望就我們花東基金的問題來跟你進一步的請教是否可以來進一步協助我們台東的鄉親 |
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那花東條例是在民國100年6月29號由馬總統公布實行這個條例是為我們花東地區打造當初會訂制這一部法律就是考量到我們東部地區的財政有限以及我們交通建設不足的情況之下希望能夠透過花東基金的挹注提升居民的生活品質那達到我們東西部區域的均衡發展 |
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那本席在擔任大武鄉長的時候其實鄉內的建設也受到我們花東基金的協助所以就是花東條例讓花東地區有額外的經費可以進行建設 |
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那尤其對台東來說我們的財力其實是第五級的縣市那台東縣的幅員又如此的遼闊在地方自有財源不足的情況之下花東基金就成為協助台東建設的重要來源讓我們東部的鄉親可以有更公平的待遇那不過最近 |
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我們台鐵宣布要漲票價那交通部也已經送到行政院來準備核定以台北到台東來說來回的自強號就要多300多塊那這對我們末端我們路線末端的台東縣民是極大的負擔 |
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那我們如果拿台北到高雄的台鐵票價比較跟台北到台東其實是差不多的不過因為 主委 西部有高鐵 有客運 有鐵路我們東部的路上大眾交通運輸只有鐵路可以選擇 |
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雖然說我們現在票價是同等的但是東西部的交通建設是非常的不平等所以台東的鄉親絕對不是二等的公民所以國發會也是離島建設條例的主管機關離島建設條例第15條之一明定為促進離島地區居民對外的交通便捷凡與台灣本島間對外交通費用應由中央政府編列預算補貼如期補貼票價者經由不得低於其票價30% |
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我想離島建設可以來補貼擁有400億的花東基金應該也可以來補助那本期之前已經跟交通部還有台鐵公司來召開會議我們希望中央如果執意你執意要調漲台鐵票價是不是可以參考我們離島建設條例的精神透過花東基金補助東部居民三成的票價所以在這邊我要具體的請教主委 |
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目前花東基金是透過部會或者是縣府提案那未來如果有提送補貼票價的計畫那在我們有明確的裁員也就是花東基金的情況之下國發會願不願意來嚴厲支持讓花東在地居民享有實質的交通平權而不是讓我們花東地區的交通權益雪上加霜 主委 |
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任何的需求只要是合法合規那又能夠得到審議委員的同意那國發基金自然會去支持那這個當然就是看我們的審議委員最後的決議所以包括在司法性跟合規性的部分沒有這個部分是主委是支持的是不是 |
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呃只要在這幾個條件下我都一定支持這三個條件下我一定支持謝謝主委所以真的在這一塊部分真的需要我們國會有明確的表態因為交通平權這件事情是講了很多年可是目前確實都沒有做到但我們希望能夠在化動基金這塊能夠協助讓我們這件事能夠促成那這邊我就先謝謝主委我想委員您的方向是非常好的但是做到這件事有多條路徑我們也會去同時也會去溝通 |
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交通部看看他有沒有可以也有其他的方案對 謝謝主委如果說交通部台鐵這邊的部分意見我們都相同的話那國防會這邊支持嘛對不對我們還是要看他在法源跟規定上面還有我們委員會的同意好 謝謝主委那不是我們單一可以決定但是我們會樂意來配合看看謝謝主委我就先代替台東的鄉親來跟主委謝謝謝謝主委謝謝主席好 謝謝 |
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我們現在請徐新穎委員做詢答謝謝主席 本席有請劉主委徐委員午安 午安 |
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朱伟请教您台积电赴美社厂请问审查过了没审查了吗就我了解他还没有送审但他送审之前应该会要经过董事会的合定正式的合定目前我们董事会还没有召开那未来的审查是不是一个过水还是就是一个形式不然怎么我们 |
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這個台積電已經跟美國總統還有跟我們台灣總統都開記者會那個只是一個協議不是法律的依據法律依據還是要回到董事會的核定跟這個跟我們投審會的審查所以也沒有說一定定案這是一個意願 |
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15320.243 |
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如果董事会大家的意见可以支持然后政府也同意的时候他才会付诸实现所以主委您是否曾经说过台积电赴美投资 |
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有三大原則最新技術不會過去關鍵技術不會過不准過去還有國家安全優先您是否說過我說過說過所以您會堅持這個立場嗎會會堅持好那我們這個台積電到這個國外投資尤其到美國去他是否有實行所謂N-1的限制 |
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15357.971 |
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在從我們從國家安全優先的考量的角度下是可以用N-1來看這件事情的這次會不會用這個 |
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15380.675 |
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這個是我給經濟部的建議你給經濟部的建議好那為什麼就在最近川普川普總統還有另外美國的一位發言人他們都講我們以後不用仰賴台灣了我們美國就有最新最好的晶片所以 |
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本席在這裡希望我們的主委未來在投審會的時候一定要堅持立場原則我們的護國神山絕對不能夠沒有變成護國群山還變成到美國去 |
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那現在本席就本席所知台積電現在是兩奈米嘛他們生產的在台灣兩奈米那已經在美國先前投資已經在蓋的是四奈米所以這一次去最多最多他就到三奈米吧 |
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對 這個是不能這樣看 要看哪一年他現在才第二個廠 現在是結構才蓋好嘛那到整個能夠量產最快是今年底最快是今年底 那再蓋第三個廠第三個廠再蓋好才會進到第四個廠 第五個廠那都是兩三年後的事了對對對所以他進到兩奈米一定是兩三年後的事了 |
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所以目前一定不可能進到2奈米目前沒有那麼快一定是在台灣的2奈米運作順暢之後他才有可能往外移動好 那即將要審查他們董事會通過以後我們因為連總統都開了記者會了所以您有沒有瞭解台積電投資美國但最近川普還特別強調不是1650億美元是2000億他這樣講那本席想請問 |
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這個錢台積電怎麼來會不會掏空台灣丟到美國去台積電投資在美國的場他資金怎麼來 |
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資金怎麼來目前是沒有這個並沒有在董事會討論過了那只是說在他會在審計委員會裡面做比較細的討論對啊因為他的錢一定不夠這麼多嘛他的錢一定不夠那麼多世界各國也不會貸款給他那這就只能搬台灣的錢過去不會只有那個因為他很多錢資金調度會在美國直接就在地的調度了 |
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15536.242 |
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在美国在地的调度他自己台积电内部调度还是美国会借钱给他他会跟美国的金融业就像很多公司来到台湾你判断美国金融业会借钱给台积电台积电的信用等级非常的高没有人会不想借给他啦 |
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我們不希望掏空台灣我們台積電是賺世界人的錢來讓台灣經濟發展讓我們民眾財富增加我們請主委一定要堅定立場委員有一點我要說明台積電的產能80%在台灣也就是說它的80%的投資在台灣80%的投資在台灣 |
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但是我们看的先进技术很重要技术过去人才各方面所以我才会提出三个原因他会不会入主Intel这个目前并没有被讨论过 |
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所以他如果併購或入主Intel是不是也會要審查呢這個也是要審查的所以目前沒有討論所以都是爆派的就是媒體在講而已其實他們兩個公司一個可以比喻成汽油一個是柴油啦兩個混在一起這個引擎是不會不會好的啦會壞掉的對對對所以你也認同嘛代工跟這整個的研發不能拆開 |
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他們想拆開他們是這兩個都是兩個文化是不太一樣因為Intel是單一產品大量製造所以坦白講就我所知他有的地方還在比較手工那我們代工業是會依據客戶的訂單會有一個比較跳動式的生產所以我們大量的自動化在文化上就不太一樣因為時間關係最後結論主委一定要堅定立場我們不希望哪一天在新聞看到讓我們全台灣大家錯愕的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
的結果好嗎可以嗎可以好謝謝謝謝我們現在請蘇清泉委員做詢問蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在我們現在請黃國昌委員做詢問黃國昌委員黃國昌委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員做詢問我們請主委劉主委 |
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15673.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
15685.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
委員午安午安 主委我們嘉義縣阿里山鄉他是有秀麗的景色那還有他的文化人文的各種的資產那近日有被紐約時報評為2025年最佳旅遊 |
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15688.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
15715.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
的地方那我想請教一下我們阿里山鄉是嘉義縣內首個獲得地方創生的合併的鄉鎮那現在有推動阿里山2.0部落產業永續創生計畫那這個計畫是今年1月合併那預算是2289萬元那這一個計畫主要是專注於兩大部分第一個是北市村的觀光 |
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15716.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
15745 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
他的創生那另外一部分是南山村的這個共榮發展那主要是人才的培育啦觀光共榮計畫還有傳承三大的推動來去推動部落的這個升級那跟過去我們注重的是基礎建設1.0不太一樣那2.0主要是計畫就是把聚焦發展跟弱勢區域的提升就是跟總統講的均衡台灣有他的這個不謀而合的地方 |
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15745.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
15760.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
那我想請教一下我們現在中央預算受到這個大幅的刪減那我們這個計畫2.0的預算阿里山的2.0計畫預算有沒有受到影響好 謝謝委員關心喔因為這個計畫我們在今年的1月22號已經通過了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
15785.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
那已經通過的計劃我們在預算的使用上會以已經通過的為優先所以這個計劃我們會克服困難然後以這個計劃會比較優先來執行所以就是不會受到影響我們確定會受影響還有未來要申請的新的計劃才會受到影響但是這個不會嘛我們也可以跟我們所有的鄉親去報告說我們對阿里山2.0的這個創生的計劃我們是不會受到影響 |
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15791.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
15797.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
那我想請教一下 那未來我們在實施這個計畫它的指標跟機制是怎麼樣 怎麼樣去來評估它的這個績效 |
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15800.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
15829.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
我們現在對於這個新的計畫他提案的時候我們就會跟他商議我們如何去看他的績效成果那另外我們同時會搭配我們在清培站跟我們現在新的區域的這個協作的督導我們都有一些這個KPI這KPI包括有多少人返鄉然後帶動的人潮有多少等等我們現在都納入了這個新的KPI的管理 |
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15829.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
15855.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
那我們希望能夠真正帶動地方的均衡跟發展所以我們很期待因為現在的阿里山它已經不是過去那可能只是國內的一個旅遊景點而已它基本上已經是串聯到世界各國都已經知道它的這個我們台灣的重要的地標沒錯所以它的重要性已經不是我們家的阿里山它是台灣的全國的一個重要的一個發展那它會成為我們很重要的一個標竿 |
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15857.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
15885.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
那第二個部分我想要請教這跟我們嘉義的民雄航太園區跟我們的其他的這一個無人機的系統那就有直接關係無人機產業是我們總統的非常這個已經誓言要去發展的五大現在產業中的很重視的軍工產業那我們嘉義有一個無人機的完整的供應鏈那國發會的產業發展處在去年的秋季的報告有很明確的提到說 |
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15886.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
15909.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
政府將輔導投入無人機跟反制系統反制系統的整合技術那我就要提到說無人機的反制系統已經受到重要重視性但是兩個禮拜前我們舉辦這個座談會有一些廠商都指出因為電信管理法的限制建置無人機的反制雷達系統設備會被NCC視為設置電台每年他需要繳納高額的規費 |
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15911.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
15932.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
一方面國發會是要鼓勵業者投入但是另一方面就忽略了類似這樣子的法規限制有沒有辦法來去跟這個NCC來主動來協調看看看看電信管理法的一些相關的行政規範可不可以調整來去降低對這個無人機產業就是無人機反制系統產業它的這個發展的障礙可不可以排除你有什麼看法 |
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15934.548 |
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15961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
這個是我們信賴無產業裡面很重要的一環所以我們會來主動找NCC來了解這個狀況好 那有必要我們來協助這個探討看看能不能把法這個相關做進行調整我們讓這個產業沒有這樣的負擔我們鼓勵的同時鼓勵當然就是有各種的這個激勵的政策獎勵的政策但是其實把一些法規障礙排除掉對於整個產業的前進是有很大的幫助也不見得一定是要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
15981.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
把資源投入是一方面把障礙移除也是一個可以重視的部分我們是希望說特別是我們現在大家都講說無人機的這個產業但是無人機的反制系統這個也是必須要重視的那這個地方再麻煩盡快跟NCC提出具體的這個方案好不好好的好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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15984.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
16001.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
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16003.103 |
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16022.676 |
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