| IVOD_ID |
165274 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165274 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T11:08:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T11:20:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe39c4de2a991a8e46eb62a46119727b9b9a983a902744326173e3ed5aee600c39c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:15 - 11:20:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請勞動部部長來 請部長黃委員長部長好為了要照顧很多三明治的家庭特別是像我這樣子的年紀 |
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在社會上面非常多我們的舊職的中年人為了讓他們比較好的能夠照顧長者我們在上次修舊福法的時候針對80歲以上免罷這亮表這個是在2024年 |
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總統大選的時候不管是侯友宜市長還是柯文哲主席都提出來的政見對我們而言在選舉的時候提的政見就是要兌現所以我們在2024年年底的時候我們就推動修了就業服務法八十歲以上免八是量表 |
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那個時候 今年7月25號在大罷免投票前一天你在你的臉書上面延遲的批判了本院所通過的三度通過的救福法勞動部發聲明說深感遺憾重症家庭照顧權益會受到犧牲說會產生十數萬的缺口現在新法上路到現在產生的缺口有多少 |
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就目前這個部分目前產生的缺口有多少因為修新法會增加的這個聘僱的量大概是一萬好那產生的缺口有多少 |
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目前其實當然會有幾個方面啊就是第一個當然是產生的缺口有多少第二件事情是確實現在在這個很多重症家庭的看護他們重症家庭來跟我們反映現在看護所以你認為說器重則輕的現象有發生我們也做出因應沒有 器重則輕的現象是不是有發生我們要盡量的讓它不要發生 是我們也做出了配套 是那所以有發生嗎我們在我們做出配套以後希望能夠盡量減緩 |
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我前兩天看到媒體做了非常深入的報導這個報導是我很佩服的報導一個半子願意花這麼長的時間深入針對公共政策修法以及現在的家庭面對的事情進行深度的報導這在台灣目前的媒體圈非常罕見我高度肯定 |
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我看了這個報道了以後他上面說了到目前為止有多8000名的長者提出申請遠遠低於預期也沒有看見看護移工器重就輕的現象來東部原本的推估有10萬人可能會聘請會造成現在的看護移工出現缺額的問題等等按照這個媒體他所做的調查報導完全沒有發生 |
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針對這件事情 部長你會不會覺得當初勞動部有勞動部的政策立場 我同意但是你當初在大罷免以前的臉書發文的時候是怎麼在抹黑在野黨立委的 |
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跟委員說明你要撤回你的估計嗎還是你認為你的估計是正確的跟委員說明我分幾個層次講第一件事情是我們確實為了舊法四六法的修法以後我們其實是做了六個方案的配套措施就是希望要建立減少期中責欠所以我們當然是希望期中責欠的狀況是能夠減少的這也是為什麼我們要花這麼多心力來設計配套方案的原因 |
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所以在新法之下 藉由配套方案的設計器重則輕不會發生嘛 對不對我們認為 我們希望它能夠降低對嘛 這個就是我講的重點啦可是委員 我要說你勞動部 有勞動部的立場你在大罷免的前夕發文抹黑在野黨的立委 危言聳聽 |
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最後媒體調查出來的結果就不是這個樣子啊文 但是如果你仔細看我其實當時的發文我是針對一件事情沒有關係啦 你的發文社會大眾都可以針對我今天只要求我今天只要求一件事我今天只要求一件事我今天只要求一件事針對救福法新法上路以後到目前你們彩刑的配套 |
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你們所看到的衝擊提一份報告給本委員會可以嗎這沒有問題好 需要多久一個禮拜可以吧一個月一個月 好 給你一個月下一個問題2023年民進黨因為連續多起性騷案件被吃案當年引發軒然大波促成性平三法的修法那次的修法新增了 |
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對最高負責人或僱用人為職場性騷擾行為必須要加以處罰我相信2023年走過那段時間大家都很心痛國會也動起來了修法現在我們所看到的個案是有一家公司老婆掛董事長老公掛董事結果老公去性騷擾5名 |
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外籍的作業員遭到新北市勞工局裁罰裁罰10萬元啦 老實講我覺得是太輕了啦但當初法律也只有定1萬到100萬他可能看公司的size但我老實說裁罰10萬元是太輕了但我現在非常驚訝的是什麼 |
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我們當初國會修了法要杜絕這樣的行為新北市勞工局也罰了只罰了10萬塊罰了10萬塊以後人家溯源到勞動部被撤銷這怎麼回事 |
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好 跟委員說明其實因為這個案子其實我們內部也做很多的研議所以我們是希望接下來我們其實也做了一些法規上面的修訂也請專家學者來討論我們現在分兩個部分第一個 針對現行法的規定不好意思 請你針對問題回答我問題還沒有問完是 第一個 |
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你說你進行研議嘛研議是空的嘛所以我要問具體的嘛第一個 依照現行法的規定依照現行法的規定勞動部現在的這個訴願決定你們覺得是正確還是不正確的依照現行法的規定是正確還不正確的所以你們認為依照現行法的規定把原處分撤銷是正確的 |
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好 那現在問題來了所以是當初立法出了問題是不是因為你現在 如果按照你說的依照現行法的規定新北市勞工局裁罰10萬塊那個性騷擾外籍勞工的那一個董事也就是董事長的勞工去性騷擾外籍的作業員10萬塊 |
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新北市勞工局所做的那個處分是違法的而勞動部把那個處分給撤銷掉依照現行法的規定你剛剛說你們覺得是正確的那我現在問題來了環節出在哪裡環節出在上一屆國會修這個性平三法的時候沒有修好嗎 |
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跟委員報告目前這個性別平等工作法上面的最高負責人講的是公司的代表人那目前公司的代表人的確登記的是這位董事長所以當時訴願決定是撤銷原處分請新北市查明定為釋法處分我沒有要你解釋你現行法怎麼解釋的 |
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所以下一個是 所以我的問題來了嘛依照現行法的規定 如果勞動部撤銷員處分是正確的那是不是現行法 也就是上一屆國會修這個法的時候出了問題 是嗎我跟委員報告齁 上次修的時候有一個與其職務相當之人所以現在勞動部 我們的單位是在與其職務相當之人要納入實際副職所以要再推動修法嘛 是的 |
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那上次那個與其職務相當之仁是在立法過程當中被刪除嗎沒有刪除啊 就保留這樣子的文字啊所以我們現在那我就聽不懂啦如果要保留這樣子的文字的話那你又說現在勞動部的撤銷處分是正確的 我就聽不懂啦 |
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跟委員補充報告因為現行的規定裡面對於實際負責人沒有說的很清楚所以我們的溯源會溯源委員在做個案的時候會依照現在我們還沒有很明確的說實際負責人要納入母法上面的最高負責人先停一下 實際負責人沒有納入母法裡面的負責人這件事情問題出在法規的層次還是出在行政命令的層次 |
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我們現在法制作業上面認為在細則或者是解釋令上面是可以處理的對啊 這個就是我的問題啦我現在分兩個區塊如果是立法不當 那立法者負責嘛按照責任政治的ABC啊立法不當 立法者負責嘛 |
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那如果是立了法以後下面的行政不管是授權的命令職權的命令解釋的函式是行政機關要負責嗎剛剛你們說那是因為現行的規定規範的不明確我為什麼問的問題要問這麼具體 |
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這樣我們才可以在責任政治下面去追究權責嘛現行的規定規範的不清楚那剛剛按照黃奇亞司長的回覆也就是在行政命令或是相關規則的解釋上面規範的不清楚 對嗎是嗎所以跟委員說明這是我剛才說我們其實已經在啟動要來修訂相關細則是啊 所以呢今天如果出現了今天如果出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
627.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
653.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
這個公司的董事實際上面在指揮在控制這些外籍勞工的人發生性騷擾的行為竟然沒有辦法裁罰而他所出現的原因是勞動部當初就對於法律所授權要定義那個負責任的範圍定義不明讓他刨掉了該被處罰這件事情誰要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
654.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
668.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以這是為什麼我們現在想要修訂的原因啊對嘛 我還是回到洪部長的邏輯嘛在民主政治的ABC下面國會立錯了法 造成了負面效應選民要究責國會嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
670.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
693.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
行政機關該做的解釋沒有好好做解釋產生了漏洞讓該處罰的人沒有受處罰按照民主政治責任政治的ABC則要負責所以這是為什麼我說行政部門有必要有責任來面對現在的這個細則的狀況應該予以修訂對只要修訂就好了嘛也沒有人需要負責啊所以我一開始就講這個啊對啊我的邏輯還是一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
697.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
716.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
只要修訂就好啦反正勞動部也沒有人要負責嘛我有說錯嗎我們當然要把該修訂的符合法規上面的應該把它修訂清楚我覺得這事情這是我們這幾個月都在進行的工作OK 好好 謝謝接下來請王振旭委員來做審討 |