| IVOD_ID |
165270 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165270 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T11:00:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T11:12:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe39c9b93d72c1209998abc180ec3481d02a983a90274432617ea2fa0b0c1a4ccb95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:15 - 11:12:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部政務次長鄭世忠列席就「對體育團體之治理與全民運動之推展」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【11月12日及13日兩天一次會】） |
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主席好 麻煩請次長好 有請鄭次長委員長 |
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這樣 早 先問一下就是棒球迷比較滿關心的一個問題就是那個中國大陸那邊有一個臉書中國棒球城市聯賽臉書貼出來很多人發現說有一個上海中信隊然後就擔心說這跟台灣的中信兄弟有沒有關係嘛 對吧不是上海中信隊 我講錯了 上海兄弟隊那這個狀況你了解是怎樣 |
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鮑委員中國信託還有中國中信娛樂公司已經發表聲明他們對這件事情沒有相關那如果說對岸持續抄襲他如果覺得商標有受到侵權他們會提出法律的行動這是他們的聲明 |
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因為我從這個事情我發現一個很奇怪的事情就是當時那個中華職棒會長蔡其昌發臉書他說這個事情發生的時候他要轉達中信請他們向外說明感覺好像這都是 |
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民間的事因為太極章是他雖然是立委但是他是用那個中華職棒應該是用會長的身份發這個文是如果是職棒會長他就是民間嘛是那運動部在這個中間都沒有角色大家都不會想到說這個事情來請運動部來求證一下或什麼的 |
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報委員在一開始對岸有這樣子的一個網路上的訊息出現的時候我就跟蔡其昌會長也有做討論也有問過中信的集團娛樂公司其實我們都在掌握之中不過對岸要發展 |
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那個棒球聯賽這件事情當然我們管不到對岸但是我們擔心的是我們的高端人才會不會因此而流失你有跟那個中信有連溝通有溝通 他們是說他們這部分他們不參與他們也沒有參與所以發了聲明只是對啊 那蔡吉昌這樣發文我感覺好像我們台灣沒有運動部一樣但是你講的訊息跟後面有一些新聞發展有點矛盾我們來看一下你看 |
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本來確實如你所說啦就是中信娛樂公司說他們不知情而且如果侵權會採取必要措施那是11月5號是但11月6號的時候啊你看新聞報導陸委會了解啊背後運籌帷幄的是一家經常和台灣職棒聯盟和棒協合作的一家運動行銷公司那陸委會又有這樣的消息包委員那是我們提供給陸委會的你們提供給陸委會是所以是這一個運動行銷公司的角色是什麼 |
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他跟中信的關係是什麼我們沒有任何證據顯示他跟中信有關係但是他就像台商的模式他們到中國大陸要去發展尋求商業的商機這部分我們沒有辦法去阻擋他但是他如果有一些違反兩岸人民關係條例的惡意挖角當然陸委會就會介入 |
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所以這看起來是這家運動行銷公司他想要去發展所以他可能一個提案是不是就把台灣的一些職棒的商標或什麼提供給對岸對岸那在還沒有確定情況之下為什麼會PO出來 |
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報告委員我在行政院記者會議的時候提到他整個過程非常的粗糙都在放風聲的感覺到現在其實網路上也看到網友有實際上去那家公司的地址去看結果也沒有那家公司的存在也沒有上海兄弟的公司的存在就像空殼子未來會怎麼樣的他們怎麼樣的籌備我們都還在觀察當中 |
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OK 好接下來問一下足球啦是足球的問題那這是10月15號台灣因為去參加2027年亞洲盃的會內賽然後結果就輸了嘛就沒有資格參加亞洲盃但是這過程當中中華足協就被爆很多項疏失所以隊長也批評說這叫台灣人欺負台灣人他台灣人的意思應該是指足協吧是不是足協欺負台灣人是 |
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然後很扯的是你可以看到右邊那個照片 |
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觀眾球迷在看比賽的時候居然跳出這個89比10這樣一個畫面很多人都以為說居然輸這麼多居然輸到89分後來原來是烏龍一場原來是那個足協他在比賽過程當中操作PPT然後還把他投影在畫面上面虛驚一場這個真的非常扯啦好 這是第一件很誇張的事情等一下我們再一起來講第二個是 |
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另外我們的五人制這個是十一人制的球隊然後我們五人制足球也發生一件也是蠻扯的事情10月16號新聞他們要去沙烏地阿拉伯參加亞洲盃的資格賽結果遇到簽證延誤結果折騰了半天然後才上飛機這簡直不可思議運動部又再要求足協交檢討報告然後我們接下來看 |
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那他的檢討報告後來足協交出來了是什麼時候交出來的呢是10月17號就交出來了我們這個看下一頁看下一頁10月17號下一頁 |
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這是10月17號中華民國足球協會的檢討報告有檢討兩件事情第一個就是我剛剛講的亞洲盃的資格問題另外一個是無人制去沙烏地阿拉伯的簽證問題結果這個足協報告市長想必一定看過嗎報告沒有因為不是我督導的所以你沒有看過對那是誰督導洪志昌常務市長所以你對於這個事情是完全不了解 |
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呃 我略知一二 請委員可以提問我來 我試試看啊 我經濟師長也在這邊好 那 我們來看喔其實從這個檢討報告裡面我覺得有幾件事情蠻奇怪的第一個 |
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簽證有那麼趕嗎?其實實際上沙烏利阿拉伯的主協在9月9號的晚上就已經提供簽證辦理的表格了所以這個表格拿到之後就可以立刻辦理當然中間需要時間但是其實時間應該是蠻充裕的然後結果我們看到大概什麼時候我們的主協才寄出所有的簽證資訊呢?是在10月2號 |
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10月2號才寄出去中間大概隔了三個多禮拜才寄出去那你10月2號寄出去中間又說什麼對方不回啊如何如何如何搞到15號來不及實際上我是不知道為什麼收集這個簽證要這麼久市長你以前戴過竹鞋嗎包委員我戴過竹鞋但是我當時因為任期太短沒有處理這些簽證的事情那請問一下他這樣子合理嗎 |
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看起來有兩個問題一個是可能教練團在提供給沙烏地阿拉伯這邊的團員選手的名冊太晚繳交第二個可能是沙烏地阿拉伯當地他們的足協在處理這個簽證的部分可能也有拖延我先不管沙烏地阿拉伯我現在就講我們寄出去的時間需要拖這麼久嗎當然你會預設沙烏地阿拉伯可能會拖那我們這邊動作就要快一點怎麼會 |
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拖到上不了飛機差點上不了飛機這很離譜啦是然後再來喔我們再來看喔有關於剛剛講的那個十一人制的亞洲杯的會內賽喔我們的球員喔你看喔我們球員接不到場地我們球員接不到場地沒有辦法練習啊原因是什麼原因是因為泰國隊在本次賽事開始前三個月已經把場地租走了 |
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然後所以我們借不到我們自己的球員借不到本國的場地被外國人借走因為人家三個月前就借了然後我們這個十月中的比賽呢足協是八月才通過由黃澤民擔任總教練那拼總教練的時間也很慢那你說那總教練比較晚產生那我們借場地總是可以早點借吧也沒有那這個部分這個市長你覺得呢 |
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包委員這部分我想就是反映出足協內部的行政他的能力不足所以他總辭了我足協是剛成立是不是也不是那個次長你以前是體育署的署長體育署的署長居然可以讓足協說能力不足然後發生這麼多奇怪的事情 |
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然後現在你當市長之後你說那不是我督導的所以我就沒辦法很具體回答那足協以前都歸你管在運動部升格之前所以我們的公家機關不管是體育署或運動部都是任由單項協會隨便弄 |
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然後發生問題之後再說那是他的問題那你們的督導跟監督責任在哪裡我們也不可能派一個人直接進駐租協嘛不是啦 那你自己去想辦法嘛你自己想辦法嘛因為單項協會為什麼會成立單項協會是台灣有特殊性嘛是 |
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那但重點誰掌握資源運動部啊誰有權利運動部啊國人會希望誰把運動賽事搞好運動部啊結果你們說那都足協的事跟我都沒有關係我覺得你這樣子回答國人無法接受國人無法接受這樣的態度啦足協只要發生任何問題都是運動部的事啊你不能講說喔他就很爛啊 |
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你好像路人甲一樣我們在國際賽事有墊檢核表但這部分的確是我們在檢核表上面不夠細緻這部分我們有些改善然後再來還有一個這個也是有人經費的問題說國家的足球代表隊第一個他有什麼確實疏漏一名球員的註冊就居然還有疏漏球員的註冊 |
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這真的是太低級錯誤了吧然後第二個球員有提及零用金一天只有1000塊所以我們的國家代表隊球員他零用金一天是1000塊包委員這個標準是怎麼定的如果他本身零有外面的球隊的薪水那臨時的集訓每日的零用金是400元那600元是足球協會自籌所以就是1000嘛 沒錯嘛那膳食費又是另外的所以這個是零用金1000嘛 |
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我們國家提供400,600是足球協會提供但是有另外一個五人制的五人制的他講說他只有拿到400塊就是我們國家給的,足協沒給他足協沒給他,那足協應該要給嗎? |
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這個是看協會看協會那你覺得足協應該要給嗎國家給 足協應該不是盈利事業應該要一致啦足協應該是政府補助給他的預算吧是他當然有自籌款他很大比例是自籌款但是他應該要一致好啦 我覺得市長其實之前你在當署長的時候你也有來這邊詢問過啦常常問到足協問題或體育的問題你常常都會一副事不關己的樣子啦那現在運動部升格代表國人對運動部的期待比較高啦否則不用升格了 |
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那如果官員還是用這種態度就是那協會發生事情他不對把它換掉或我覺得大家沒辦法接受新的部新的氣象大家會希望說運動部做好督導的責任那未來所有的協會發生的問題當然都是運動部的責任沒有辦法切割啦希望次長可以拿出肩膀出來好嗎好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝葉委員 指委員 |