| IVOD_ID |
165263 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165263 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:33:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:45:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe37208c2d0842e232157c737e12387eef81bffb99621b7826e9958b8a00feea6e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:42 - 10:45:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）司法院、行政院函請審議「少年事件處理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「少年事件處理法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「少年事件處理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員林月琴等24人擬具「少年事件處理法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員沈伯洋等19人擬具「少年事件處理法第八十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員沈發惠等16人擬具「少年事件處理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「少年事件處理法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席 我請我們的法務部徐次長 |
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委員長市長早今天我們當然是做我們的邵氏法的一個審查詢答但是呢最近喔讓國人非常這個憤慨的而且也覺得不可思議的就是呢我們的這個詐騙其實已經登上國際這個整個是國際的這個詐騙集團太子集團之囂張那事實上呢在我們司法法治委員會我四月份 |
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就引用了聯合國的報告來示警台灣是詐騙洗錢中心當時聯合國就直接點名台灣了那當時呢我是質詢我們的部長 |
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結果部長對這個報告渾然不知一問三 三不知所以我就覺得非常非常離譜那你以為這是最離譜的嗎沒有 還有更離譜的事情就是事後呢 竟然我們的調查局長在立法院表示 陳百里在立法院表示說相關報告內容立場偏頗對內容存疑 |
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還質疑人家聯合國的報告那麼從4月開始到現在經過了半年以上然後果然台灣真的是國際詐騙的洗錢中心然後這個太子集團呢那麼在台灣洗錢他用什麼方式洗錢第一個他買豪宅對不對市長知道他怎麼洗錢嗎 |
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我知道他是用工合公司的名義去購買購買這些不動產來不動產還有呢 |
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我覺得這應該是法務部身為打詐的最主要的主管機關之一對這件事情不可能置身於世 世外 |
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這個太子集團呢 他用空殼公司而且是八家空殼公司在台灣去買11戶的和平大院這就是周杰倫住的地方另外呢 買了29部的豪車用這樣的方式來做洗錢這跟我們過去 比如打砸洗錢譬如說我們擔心他用這個虛擬貨幣不大一樣 他直接是買豪宅豪車來做洗錢 |
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而且他早在2017年就來台灣布局了那自己也來台灣就有10次之多所以我要講的4月份聯合國的有關於詐騙的報告說台灣成為詐騙洗錢中心並不是空穴來風 |
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但是呢 包含我們法務部調查局都把這個報告不當回事啊不當回事 部長不知道當時我在詢問的時候已經這個報告出來一陣子了部長不曉得然後呢 調查局長竟然說對人家的報告存疑好 那現在 |
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市長 我想請問一下根據媒體今天的報導說我們一直到前天我們的高檢署才召開我們整個的跨單位 跨部會的會議來特別針對太子集團的洗錢案在台灣的洗錢案來做怎麼樣的防度跟追究檢討 |
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次長你個人身為次長你會覺得我們是不是不是慢半拍我們是慢一整個大拍是不是太慢了 |
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我想不管時間點在哪裡我們發現有一些我們沒有發現的犯罪我們當然要檢討而且這個是跨部會有很多很多的地方是需要我們努力所以禮拜一所召集的這個會議的確是我們追緝防止詐騙的一個我們查緝的平台 |
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高檢署才會召集做這樣的一個緊急會議那在會議中也做成了五項的結論這些結論都有助於以後我們在國際的洗錢跟詐騙的金流的流竄是有一定的嚇阻作用 |
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我們這個結論請問一下我們有沒有做檢討剛才我們講的幾個第一個空殼公司用空殼公司在短短時間裡面買了這麼多戶的豪宅或者去買豪車這個打擊房市洗錢我們不是從今天才開始嘛對不對我們不會是從今天才開始那這個部分 |
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有沒有去追究責任 當然你們現在看起來有檢察官說說這個頭號戰犯就是經濟部頭號戰犯就是經濟部 經濟部針對這些公司商業登記啊 毫無管制然後登記這些空殼公司然後也不知道他做什麼業務就是去買豪宅 去買豪車所以市長檢察官的質疑有沒有道理 |
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包委員我們還是期待就是說能夠強化公司登記的審查的密度而且不是只有登記而已他應該跟稅務機關要連結要加強稅務機關的監理還有金融機構的驗證跟異常交易的通報然後強化法人實質受益人的透明度這些是要所以你這樣一講下來不是只有經濟部 |
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經濟部 財政部 國稅局 金管會你這樣一講下來對不對那一天召集的會議這些主管機關的人代表都有在場他們都承認自己有輸肉會議是共識不是承認我想委員得知道那我們就是要把這些漏洞能夠把它抓出來我們在監理 |
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好 那次長我請問一下為了這樣子要洗脫我們這樣子的是一個詐騙亡國洗錢亡國的這樣子的汙名我們會不會做全面性的對 讓經濟部做全面性的這種空殼公司 比如說他投資 不管他投資上市 未上市股票 菜券豪車 豪宅等等做一些全面性的清查 需不需要 |
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這個不是我們法務部可以做這樣的一個宣示我當然知道 你們會不會建議我們一定會做這樣的建議會做這樣的建議 對所以應該做一個清查對於台灣這些空殼公司當然不是所有空殼公司大概那個什麼 他們要跑斷腿就是你要設定一個他購買的一定金額以上的資產 |
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比如說你設定他這個空額公司但是呢他卻買了上億元以上的這個不管是動產或者不動產然後就做全面性的清查應該是要設定一定的條件然後呢要勾結我剛才已經特別有提到就是勾結稅務單位金融機構不過這種他可能也不貸款 |
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他不但他有交易不管他用什麼方式他就算是虛擬貨幣他也是跟金融機構所以你們會有這樣的建議那多少金額以上呢這個要尊重主管機關的所以一定要做一次全面的大清查 |
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我只是建議我們不能說在這裡我了解我了解但是現在已經出現這樣的問題了嘛所以因為我們講說我們有個打詐國家隊但是打詐國家隊到底誰負責呢沒有人知道到時候每次出事了以前那個打詐檢察官就很生氣啊那時候頭號戰犯就是金管會那時候就是主要是講金管會因為金管會還沒有還有什麼速發部等等的對不對 |
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那我是覺得啦那你們也要提出建議啊因為你們才是主管機關啊也因為大院的支持所以我們打詐釋法就很順利的通過那這個就已經讓我們跨部會現在的合作是很密切的經濟部說經濟部頭號失職不過看起來次長說也不只經濟部啦那另外內政部有沒有失職 |
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因為內政部這個層次啊他可以來好幾次他用不同的護照來那麼多次然後我們也渾然不覺我們整個團隊都要檢討但是談不上有法務部來說誰失職啊但是有努力的空間沒有看起來啦檢調很生氣啦覺得自己打仗打到最後就一堆一堆的漏洞出來 |
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是不是 我們要努力我們也會在偵查的實務上發現的問題會提供給行政機關作為他們一個監管的一個參考好 這邊我就是具體建議你們必須要做一個大清查因為當聯合國指名台灣的時候我們要有一些回應然後呢 你知道像南韓啊南韓媒體啊現在或者是他們的網友啊都開始在那邊笑台灣笑台灣說是詐騙之島啦 |
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然後我們的行政院還發文我們行政院還有新聞稿說聲表遺憾因為這個的發文就說台灣一年以語音加簡訊詐騙的金額用人均計算是南韓的3倍 日本的20倍 |
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這是南韓媒體的報導然後呢 我們行政院說沒有 這個是斷章取義結果呢 有去讓人家更正嗎也沒有讓人家去更正啊當然我知道這不是你的職責但是這很丟臉啦我們已經丟臉丟到國際上去了 |
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韓國的報導朝鮮日報是韓國的大報吧朝鮮日報說我們詐騙損失的金額是南韓的3倍日本的20倍行政院只會大內宣自己發一個新聞稿說沒有這個數據不正確我也沒有看到他要求朝鮮日報更正朝鮮日報的報導照樣繼續在網站上人家也沒有把它下架也沒有撤下來 |
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行政院這種的回應根本是自嗨而已啊你也不敢去叫人家朝鮮日報你把這個文章下架 不對我們台灣沒有那麼離譜所以我覺得最近這一連串的事件讓國人對於我們打詐信心全失 |
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所以我也很肯定剛才市長願意就是就很務實的部分該檢討就要去檢討然後我們該去防堵就去防堵好不好因為我覺得我們不要我們一定要洗脫台灣這種詐騙之島詐騙天堂的這種惡名好不好是好 謝謝 |