| IVOD_ID |
165260 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165260 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:27:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:38:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3d931a06e3a7fac4bb62a46119727b9b91bffb99621b7826e9aa7beedfef2e22d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:39 - 10:38:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席好我等部長喝水 請部長 |
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謝謝邱委員部長好我想請問一下你們今年有編預算九月說要去大陸結果有去嗎後來有去嗎應該是沒有吧重規有沒有去 沒有沒去啊那你們今年就沒去為什麼明年又編了呢又編了九月份要去啊其實這個每年編列這個預算並不是說每年就一定會有計劃會去明年是APEC |
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明天會去 對所以你們也覺得說過去不會危險嘛這正常交流不會造成這個威脅會不會會不會擔心啊我們希望這個中國政府不應該把這個他們會反對你去嗎不會吧正常的交流上面對啊 他們會嗎應該不會吧所以你們才敢去啊不然你敢去嗎這其實都是我們認為其實它是可以創造 |
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台灣正常有序交流的一種做法所以當然我們這個希望中國應該我們總統講說今天是沈伯陽這樣國際交流的原則對啊 總統好像有講過說今天是沈伯陽 明年就是你所以我相信你是部長不會明知道有危險還讓同仁去嘛 對不對 |
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表示說正常交流我們還是可以說開大門走大路的我們希望一個對等有序的交流中國政府應該要秉持一個相對比較開放的心胸讓一個所以他現在反對你去嗎現在應該還沒有這樣子的表達還沒嗎現在沒有這樣的表達但我們希望一個正常有序對等的交流 |
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然後這個我講這個也沒別的意思就是說希望這個就是說本來也沒那麼嚴重不要用這種情緒這個勒索來嚇我們台灣人其實正常交流應該是沒有問題的那我們接下來一題就是說在你們的預算裡面勞動資訊業務這個部分主要就是電腦相關設備跟資安對吧 |
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應該是那113年決算你們大概花了1000多萬那114年就是今年編列的1400萬元到了明年115年你們編列的這個預算大概8700多萬 暴增6.2倍的原因是什麼部長你都不知道 |
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這邊跟委員補充一下就是我們原本在勞動業務的共通性的那些資訊原本我們是放在就業安定基金費裡面那因為後來重新檢討之後決定這些比較跟就業安定基金相關比較沒有直接關係的就往公務員所以你這些錢要做什麼一樣也是在維運整個勞動業務的共同資訊平台 |
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那是什麼東西你可以講清楚一點嗎其實狀況是這樣就是因為過去其實相關的支出其實是用救安基金在支出可是我們從今年初從去年底開始檢討救安基金的使用以後我們就認為有些如果可以用公務預算支出的就盡量的移到公務預算支出所以我們去跟族種去爭取 |
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一些其實應該 其他部會 每一年都有大概六七千七八千萬的這個預算要去換電腦比方說很多系統不要違法雇主的查詢因為在勞動這邊其實有很多相關的資訊系統必須去做維護更新甚至大家對於很多的揭露有更多的現在有更多的要求部長你們 你們這樣做我當然是贊成就是說你們不應該在救援救援機會這個基金裡面來動用這些錢那你把編列出來這八千多萬 |
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那我覺得你每年在編列八千多萬元的這個部分呢應該是購置什麼防火牆啊 文書軟體啊資料庫軟體更新 這樣吧 是這樣嗎也不止也不止 還買什麼東西就是包括系統的所以你們有細項嗎你們有細項嗎還是整包 一包就是八千七百多萬不是不是不是不要像買福袋一樣 裡面什麼都有啊 |
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這個治安的問題很嚴重治安沒有把它當作輔帶我是覺得當然啦 這個帳戶越清楚越好治安的工作要做的扎實不是靠像輔帶不要買了就一直撈就有那部長 我再問你這幾天你們召開這個不是 我問別的好了就你召開這個 |
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勞動力政策的諮商小組會議同時決定要打開製造業跟一般營造業的移工限制確定要這樣做嗎 |
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我們其實這次打開的主要是針對技術人力的上限就是我們把技術人力原本25%的上限然後把它打開我看到你的兩個都是移工的政策重大鬆綁不只是調整配額 直接會改變產業用工的結構除了這場會議之外 你們還做了哪些具體的評估 |
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呃現在委員你在簡報上面其實這是針對營造業這是針對那時候7月的時候那時候應該是丹納斯颱風那在台南造成很大的這個很多的 你們是因為災後重建嗎當時營造業的部分是如果營造業業者下的移工投入到災後重建的話他如果需要增加名額的話不受這15000名的限制所以不受嗎那你現在你要打開放多少 |
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這個其實要看是要看營造業或者是目的世界主管其實應該是說我看了你們今年的這個來統計結算到9月那大概是9000多人申請大概是有9000多個名額那你的上限是15000 |
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一萬五嗎那你就還沒達到啊還沒達標那你的意思為什麼要去又要跳過這個機制跟我說明一萬五一萬五的名額是我們已經開放的對但是確實之前有那目前9680的對之前因為之前我們一直跟這個國土署在討論怎麼讓這個一萬五的名額能夠更有效的運用 |
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那但是現在在討論的災後的投入的名額跟這一萬五的名額比較是兩件事情也就是說那我請問部長假如這個災後重建是不可能持續在做嗎不是永久都有嗎那如果災後之後就是他這個災後重建完成之後那這些一共怎麼辦 |
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當然就會留下來但是這也是我們希望能夠給當初願意幫忙災後重建的營造廠的一個誘因因為其實在這個重建過程裡面需要很多的營造廠來協助因為你災後重建完成之後你們又把它留下來嘛那乾脆就不要用災後來當幌子嘛對不對委員這絕對不是幌子那你用因為如果沒有投入災後重建的業者的話就沒有辦法享有這個可能這個天花板的調整 |
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所以他們我現在的重點是在說你現在讓他進來了進來之後你又讓他回到一般的勞工一般的製造業或者是其他地方去嘛對不對你會讓他留下來因為沒有那麼多災後重建啊跟委員說明他其實他如果做完災後重建以後這個營造廠他還是要有工程啊 |
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所以他就可以繼續做那他如果這個工程他不是災後不是因為災後重建所以都可以做就對了那你幹嘛不直接開放就讓這些營造業能夠申請 |
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跟委員說明目前其實我們已經開放1.5萬人那現在我們是鼓勵當初願意投入到災後重建這有公益性質的協助的工作的營造廠讓他們在名額上面有多一點的我覺得這個是多此一舉直接從那邊直接從那邊來管理這樣會不會比較好因為我擔心說你這個等於是你用這個災區重建當成長期鬆綁的一個藉口 |
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那到時候你這個一萬五千人如果申請已經達標了那後來又利用這個然後一直無限上綱嗎那這個就沒完沒了啊委員這個在區的重建在這個在區重建的工作其實他需要的工程量跟他需要的勞動力量真的比較大所以我們用這個方式我是不反對你們去開放這個但是還是要做限制不要說這個臨時開放變成永久使用 |
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我們會做一定的把控啦對啊我覺得你們辦法還是要定出來啦我們會做一定的把控但是這個打開的措施你這邊開一個口這邊又開一個到時候兩個都這個打開的措施比較是為了讓營造廠能夠願意投入到再去重建有多一點的誘因當初的利益是在這件事情上面的 |
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最後一個啦你們說的政策是要幫本國有一個政策就是說幫本國勞工加薪結果是一個本國勞工加薪2000塊你們就可以多申請一個移工這樣是嗎你們的方法是這樣嗎要看哪個行業目前是在製造業部分是幫製造業嗎一幫一個本國相對低薪的勞工加薪的話他可以取得多一個就2000就可以了是不是對那為什麼是2000 |
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第一個我們也評估過要不要其他很高的金額但是第一個我們認為這2000的我覺得很奇怪為什麼要2000塊如果高一點的話可能會讓願意去為本勞工加薪的企業的人數會在減少所以我們是主要那未來你們怎麼去督促怎麼去監督這些業者我們會確認在我們的系統裡面去確認有確實加到本勞的加薪以後 |
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你才能夠我們才會給他名額的合法會不會他們表面上加了之後然後呢加班費啊津貼什麼獎金都壓下來的話呢如果我們去查核如果假加薪的狀況的話對這種變相的你們怎麼去查如果我們透過我們的系統去查核查到之後咧如果他有假加薪的狀況下我們就會取消他的名額有沒有法則我們就目前說就是用取消名額的方式就取消那這樣大家不會啪抓到再說嗎不是這樣嗎 |
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會停止兩年申請我覺得這個政策要明確啦好不好讓大家能好做事好 謝謝部長好 謝謝修緯 謝謝部長那我們現在休息 |