| IVOD_ID |
165259 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165259 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:24:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:34:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe3a445dba3c8b0a0ccfc3112febeb0f1b01bffb99621b7826e7a419371ec2b560b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:01 - 10:34:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況，並備質詢。（11月12日及13日二天一次會）） |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長請委員長王召瑋 早安委員長 今天你多開了一個主題我想這個部分要釐清一下 |
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中國的跨境鎮壓或者是長臂管轄事實上在歐美世界各主流國家是不僅不予承認甚至於驅離了中國住在當地國的假公安因為他們用民間的身份紐約還逮捕了一名 |
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不只紐約舊金山也有 LA也有所以跨境鎮壓或者是這個所謂的長臂管轄是一個侵犯他人內政而且用政治的理由透過刑事犯罪的模式來進行政治迫害這世界各國是不能接受的所以我剛才本席聽到蠻震驚的你說以沈伯陽委員為例事實上沈伯陽委員我才剛從國外回來 |
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我們去了幾個國家沒有問題啊我看到有些人講說陳柏楊趕快出國我剛剛搭的那班飛機也飛得蠻穩的沒什麼亂流啊都回來了所以你剛才講到新加坡你認為 |
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未來可能需要列入警示我要嚴肅的問你你這是個人的判斷還是經過國安會議的確認我剛剛提的兩個方向一個是說我們僑委會的同仁跟我在內不能去的原因是那個是另外一個那個跟中國因素沒有直接的那個是政治干擾還不到用政治的理由進行長臂管轄的迫害這個是有距離的 |
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越南那一次事實上我們都知道發生什麼事情所以我現在要講的因為剛才點到一個特定國家新加坡因為近來新任總理黃總理他在對外的表達內容我們還是要回來因為外交部門我現在就以沈伯陽委員為例我認為是他會提高風險是說提高風險你沒有聽懂我的問題 |
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你剛才的風險是來自於你個人的判斷或者是國安團隊的判斷我個人的判斷那不能這樣子本席強烈的建議你不能這樣子是這是對外事務不是你的職權你怎麼可以個人判斷呢在國會裡面可以這樣判斷嗎這會引起事情的是我也有個人判斷啦是我可以啊我只是一個民意代表 |
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你是政府官員的一部分你剛才那事情會引起風波因為新加坡就我了解到目前為止並沒有列入警示多數國家並沒有列入警示委員我說明一下我們如果自己嚇自己讓中國的長臂管轄形成了心理恫嚇的作用 |
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那新加坡對他跟中國的態度跟台灣的態度有時候我們看了不喜歡也剛剛在上個月有一位是香港的民運人士他也曾經擔任過這個重要的政黨的領袖他受邀去新加坡參加一個研討會那麼他從英國他其實已經是規劃英國籍了那他那一次從美國搭機去到新加坡參加這個研討會卻被滯留在機場然後原機全返 |
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這我還是要告訴你差異在哪裡這也是有中國戒律的痕跡在這裡面新加坡會受中國影響會禁止一些人進去就像當時越南一樣跟進去你可能被逮捕解送中國那個距離差很遠所以這個東西要嚴謹新加坡黃巡柴跟李強的對話 |
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我們不喜歡啊我們也發表抗議我們是以國家外交單位正式發表抗議告訴這個國家當朋友不是這樣子在外交上不支持跟反對這兩個term這兩個詞令是完全不一樣的意思這個是外交但是當我們要指涉某一國我們要列入警示的時候他影響到是商務旅遊政治很多方面的往來這個不能基於個人的臆測或判斷這是一個國家的態度本席 |
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我收回我剛剛說的續期我建議你收回那你收回是個好的態度因為那個不是一個我們也認為要推理那個國家可能跟國家正式的研判不一樣你是政府的部長級的官員這是一個涉外事務那我回到我今天要問的委員長先請回請信保基金的董事長 |
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那個侯麗楊董事長我們目前信保基金的承保2024年的件數跟金額多少 |
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到9月底的話是大概2024喔2024去年到348件348件嘛我印象你們去年喔不錯喔348件有284件是新南降顯示我們政府這個基金而且很多人以為這個錢會變成政府的黑洞搞錯了啦 信保基金不管是中小信保或海外信保你是叫銀行做錢給他啦 |
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風險評估徵信一模一樣啦該連徵還是要連徵那個是銀行借錢只是透過你們你們做信用的擔保可以把一定的額度免擔保給他那未來要收回的時候你們有一份嘛所以信保基金的運作不是拿政府的錢給民間商業在用而是透過政府 |
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去做一個窗口的服務銀行的體系的資金可以更活絡的運用協助在政策方面所以你們去年做的是對的三百四十八件裡面兩百八十四件是跟新南向有關也顯示我們台橋商在新南向國家的商業相當活絡那你們去年的金額好像是到多少到兩億五千萬美金嘛這個兩億五千萬美金是銀行放出去的不是 林橋委會 |
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時代加起來沒有那麼多錢啦我們信保大概是兩億啦你們信保是擔保用的啦我講的是兩億五千萬美金是那個母錢借出去那是銀行的錢你們原來年度目標是一億八嘛所以表示也高過你們的預計好這是去年今年我剛有聽到委員長解釋了可能因為對等關稅全球的商業活動緊縮所以投資有收所以今年有稍微今年的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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今年的話事實上統一到九月底事實上我們跟去年同期比較的話事實上還稍微多了一點點所以今年其實還是有點成長那分佈的區域勒事實上也是一樣新南向大概佔了八成以上行業別呢行業別的話應該還是以製造業為主我會建議信保基金其實大家 |
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有時候認為喬委會的業務其實喬委會的業務蠻有意思的信保基金如果按照你的你這一個城堡的對象行業別地域就是分佈區域以及它的它的營業額資本額以及是joint是合資的或者是獨資的你分析出來之後可以概括看到我們台灣的生意全世界最厲害的生意人就是猶太人跟台灣人 |
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所以你就可以看到這個走的趨勢跟走向我不知道你們信保基金有沒有這方面的報告 |
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我們是有消防資料那個其實抓幾個參數跑一下就出來了可以有一份報告給我們委員會嗎甚至我建議你可以公佈你們信訪基金可以公佈我們去年不錯我做到百分之將近兩百百分之一百七八十趴然後台橋商非常活絡我們是日不落的商業王國台灣那是好事那就根據地域我們的資金分佈往哪裡走 |
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這個行業別是往傳產服裝食品或者是高科技你把它分類出來之後其實它是一個好的業務報告我會建議信保或者委員長這邊這個報告我們希望可以看到我最好建議的事情是你們現在把單一關係人的這個承保從200萬美金提高到300萬美金你覺得夠嗎 |
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目前的話我們自己也是調查過那目前的話這樣的一個金額目前是大多數的台商是可以接受的那當然因為也涉及到我們本身承保人的問題風險的評估連增是銀行端會做只要信用沒有問題當然銀行就是錢出去滾錢回來嘛所以有兩個所謂的夠或不夠就是我們的資金面是不是願意提高搞不好銀行有這個需求啊 |
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511.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
527.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
供給面另外一個是需求面因為你現在就是200到300他就覺得夠而且你這樣的規模吸引到的企業就是特定的企業一定level以上他不會找你們富士康啊什麼的他就自己去辦連帶他怎麼會找你們所以我才會建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
528.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
557.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
僑委會這一個滾動式的調整在沒有跟你們來借錢的人就沒有透過你們來承保的人跟銀行端問問看說300萬美金你們不來借原來太少 跟你們借不夠或怎麼樣子是不是該適度的提高把你的服務層次往上拉因為那樣子的規模會不一樣喔跨國的企業跟資金會影響它的規模這是第一個建議第二個建議也許不是信保 而是信保多一個業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
558.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
579.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
你超過我的額度了我300萬美金 緊繃啊但是你是台橋商我做媒合我協助你跟國內在海外有OBU的或有在海外放款的做進行連貸或者進行貸款像我最近有看到一個案例他本身你知道全世界這徐家青一定知道最有名的花旗參是哪一家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
580.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
601.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
跟你的音有點像就是他們想要把因為美中貿易戰花旗聲中國就不買了就威斯康星州就是鴻海放貢的威斯康星州他們的花旗聲全部蹲底下那我們台灣本來我們台灣花旗聲的量有相當的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
602.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
623.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
然後也要跟他購買那這一個台橋商說那乾脆我把它蹲在城口一回一方面幫助國家降低赤字二方面我可以進行更高的我把威斯康辛州四分之一到一半的花旗參買下來可是他需要資金的協助發現所有的信保基金額度都沒有到那裡類似這樣的台橋商 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
625.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
650.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
也許信保基金或喬爾會主動媒合那一方面降低赤字二方面擴大我們在威州的影響力我只舉這個例子所以那個許氏花旗生我知道對你我一講就知道了因為在海外跑的人聽到花旗生一定只想到那一家沒有第二家有還有第二家這間比較有名好那我們就是這些建議那另外那個薛委員剛才那個有關陳柏洋的部分我建議你正式把它收回來好的謝謝感謝委員 |