| IVOD_ID |
165256 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165256 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T10:17:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T10:29:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe388b9b07d767c16b88abc180ec3481d021bffb99621b7826e536dac32b4bbbdb75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
范雲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:19 - 10:29:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部政務次長鄭世忠列席就「對體育團體之治理與全民運動之推展」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【11月12日及13日兩天一次會】） |
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那個謝謝趙偉有請次長請次長委員好 |
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次長早安本來我今天這個質詢是針對我們部長的不知道後來是換成次長您但我想部長要做好也都需要次長們把所有的工作都做好所以我還是針對原本要問部長的事情來問您今天我的主題就是談到因為部長上任的時候有談到平等這個部分 |
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那他也在今年九月的時候我們立法院女子運動外交促進會簽署布萊頓吉赫爾星際女性與運動宣言的時候那部長在那邊見證他當天有講未來運動部將培育更多的女性人才積極接軌國際 |
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那我後來查了一下發現其實這個布萊頓宣言過去體育署的時候就簽過了那個次長您知道嗎是那過去是什麼時候簽的您知道哪一年嗎應該2014的 |
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2014那還更早因為我辦公室查到的是2020但是我發現簽了之後好像效益不高你們有照著做嗎就是你看一下就是女性選手這個我之前資訊的時候就有講到我們奧運獎牌女性選手奪牌的比例是58%可是我們的教練只有13% |
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中華奧會決策高層女性的比例只有8%欸可見就是說我們女性是在很不對等的沒有參與決策資源比較少女教練比例這麼低然後有驚人的成果欸那個署長所以你覺得你們有做到簽署的布萊頓宣言嗎 |
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保委員在女性教練比例方面牽涉到選拔這部分我們的確過去佐利的比較低在中華奧會的部分我們其實有新聞過去也請他們協助那他們今年在選任委員方面新出爐的選任委員方面男女的比例是接近1比1的啦在選任的部分選任我講的是最高決策耶 |
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对就是因为你们都一直说什么单向委员会啊我是说李建世嘛因为一个组织譬如说我们台湾就要国会嘛李建世就是所谓的奥会委员这件事情那奥会委员的有分当然委员是由奥亚运的协会派出当然委员其他有大概70位是选任就是说他们去 |
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我們要看最後的結果不管它怎麼產生選任的部分它已經達到1比1的男女比例階級1比1但是最後的結果嘛因為如果派的都是男的選的不就應該出來是女的嗎然後第二個是在協會的委員會的部分我有要求所有協會委員會一定要三分之一以上 |
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据说我们不要玩文字游戏哦政府的中华民国政府的委员会三分之一性别比这个性别主流化已经做了很久嘛那你也知道那些委员会很多都是政府各部门派任嘛所以你就要去调节派任如果都是男的那你这个外面找的专家学者就要是女的才能做到三分之一啊所以这个也是用中华奥会的决策吧包委员 |
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如果没有这样子的话我们签再多的协议都没有用了我要讲的是那我今天要讲的是你是不是可以给我们单项协会性别统计年报如果都没有看到你的统计我们怎么知道做得怎么样那这里面应该要有几个内容 |
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薪资待遇这也是各国在讲运动有没有性别平等的重要指标然后参赛年龄跟职涯的长度代表对性别比例培训跟升迁的机会后勤资源分配你要先有统计我们才能看到运动平权怎么样结构性的改变那这个部分应该可以做到吧就是先给我们运动性别统计年报好不好 |
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那從今年是2025年 明年就可以開始吧好可以齁 那個次長承諾 這裡我們會監督另外一個 次長你應該知道就是運動牌掛牌當天就有兩個女足公會跟台灣運動好事協會就發表聯合聲明 |
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說因為各單項協會常常不聽你們的雖然你們這個鼓勵措施我從上一屆當立委就開始用預算案然後你們就說慢慢再鼓勵對不對然後你今天的報告第六頁鼓勵了半天 |
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8個協會有18.18%達到單一性別17個協會另外一個監事會你還分開來算理事跟監事還分開算38.64% |
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我們鼓勵了半天鼓勵了四年的話如果理事比較重要看理事的話才八個協會佔18.18%做到這個三分之一性別比例那我們要做到真正全部的時候要幾年四年達到18%百分之百的時候要幾年 |
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法務委員 在國體法的部分目前我們已經在研議在李建勢的性別比戰區不是 那個次長我們數學算一下嘛你們說努力了11年到115年這樣子努力了4年有8個協會做到李氏會占18.18%有做到三分之一性別比那這樣依這個速度推算百分之百都做到的時候要幾年所以要修法不是嘛 不修法要幾年 你說 |
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沒有辦法沒有辦法算不過包括委員我倒是有因為您的質詢我有做到一點就是我要求所有的委員會都要單一性別超過三分之一而委員會才是真正形成決策的重要的一個組織 |
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各單項協會的委員會才是重點你們每次都跟我說委員會你協會都沒有你還要下面的委員會就是協會底下的委員會包括它的選拔也是選訓委員會成立出來的這個我們也不要再玩文字遊戲了兩邊都要啦是當然都要我們說立法院的國會性別沒有三分之一然後我們組成什麼委員會有這不合理嗎那我們一起來修法嘛這個部分那當然我們的版本都提出來了啦你的版本什麼時候出來市長 |
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已經有草案了草案什麼時候送到行政院什麼時候公告什麼時候到立法院我們現在就是希望我們接下來配合國際法廣納各位委員的意見之後我們一起來做修法我的已經提出來很多年了那那個那您什麼時候送公告我們先問先講公告吧現在先先 |
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現在是體育部這麼好的理想保護員我想目前就是我會督促他們就回去跟部長報告在國際法的修法我們希望能夠在這半年內你不用再跟部長報告了部長來上任前跟我見面的時候他主動說要做這件事是所以我說這部分我們希望在半年之內能夠把它完成這個修法好不好 |
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還要半年你說半年我們立法院完成還是公告我們當然是講完成這個會期我們希望努力把它下個會期把它完成掉下個會期完成掉那你兩個月之內就要公告了要不然來不及耶下個會期是到明年的六月底嘛明年六月底前要完成修法 |
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我們希望往這個目標前進那你公告到行政院送出來都要時間您知道嗎沒有錯沒有錯我們做過運動部組織法我們知道那個程序什麼時候行政院應該送出來到立法院我們希望應該我現在拚三月的時候吧三月那你什麼時候應該公告你就知道了吧這個我們會努力那你兩個月內可以公告嗎如果你們都準備好的話 |
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那個市長說ok那我們會兩個月內公告那個團那個國體法你們的版本後裡面一定會有禮監事性別比喔好那我還有一點時間喔再講一下你看足協理事一位女性都沒有欸那個署長你知道我們女足效果就是成績很好吧對這樣合理嗎不合理 |
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那你知不知道當他們足協會員提出修正章程的時候要有性別比例的時候會員代表大會怎麼樣被嗆嗎您有聽說嗎那是在2023年年初的時候那時候我還沒有接所以我不曉得你不曉得那我告訴你被嗆說有本事選上全部給你們當也沒關係嘲笑人家沒本事選上 |
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所以我想這個部分就是國體法的修法很重要不能讓人家要在自己的相關協會的章程要修的話還這樣子被嗆你剛剛已經提到就是兩個月內會提出你們的草案公告 |
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那最後一點時間那個次長師大女主案當時你答應我的事情是就是五個聲明體育署聲明你們現在進度如何了報告委員我們在今天下午 |
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今天下午会有一个跨部会的会议把最后的因为我们第二次会议我们之前已经有咨询会议那在卫福部跟教育部都有参与的情况之下还有很多的法规委员会那么原则第一个基于信赖保护我们一个一个讲好了你当时的声明答应我的第一个成立专案小组全面清查运科计划这个进度如何了 |
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保護委員這部分我們一開始有做但是在會議上法規委員提出一個蠻重要的一個見解就是說基於信賴保護原則我們不應該在這個時候去責難這些老師他當時沒有申請IRB除非他把它拿去做發表那就是基本上就是嚴重違反 |
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不應該責難他們沒有做IRB這我有點聽不懂這是什麼意思是誰信賴誰保護誰你們答應讓他們不要做IRB喔 |
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不是 因為當時沒有要求那現在反過來去責怪說IRB不是國家的法令嗎大學教授還要輔導我們有跟衛福部跟教育部都有做一個討論有徵得他們的一個同意那這部分是不是容許我們今天下午看完會之後呢我們到委員辦公室這邊來做說明我要講的是次長你不要因為媒體現在不關注就輕放違反國家法令的人當然我們希望這個責任不是在 |
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同意他們不用做那你們過去這個體育署現在這個運動部你們人很多都沒換就要負起責任啊包委員這部分我聽我說當時講的就是監察院這邊有在也在做處理對監察院當然啦那我們立法院你們答應我們的事情 |
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因為這個部分可能需要很長的時間做解釋啦我是不是讓我們會後來委員辦公室做解釋那當時你答應要給我的完整的都做完的報告時間快到了吧是那其實我們今天下午的會議其實我們諮詢委員會也有邀請委員辦公室的助理來嘛那因為當時因為有事情沒有到我們辦公室又不參與決策沒有錯但是我們還是希望讓委員辦公室能夠知道我們到底在進行什麼事情嘛 |
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白紙黑字文字給我們啦我們辦公室又不是現場的你知道chat GPT可以隨時供你們諮詢對不對沒有問題好那什麼時候有完整的報告可以給我們辦公室 |
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我們今天下午開完會理論上應該下個星期應該會議紀錄就會出來我們就會全部的嗎 五樣的嗎不要又說只有一樣喔報偉我們還有一個流程還有其他流程要做我說這五樣嘛署長 次長我們大概是前三樣除了第四樣我們還需要時間之外一二三四五目前都在需要時間你可以跟我們講你規劃的時間是什麼時候嘛好不好那要完整的這個報告什麼時候 |
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应该下星期应该可以有一个初步的报告出来那我们会继续追哦是好OK好 谢谢委员好 谢谢 |