| IVOD_ID |
165245 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165245 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-12T09:47:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-12T09:59:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a35f0de19abcdbe31f7139cc9bb64e1ffc3112febeb0f1b01bffb99621b7826ed60c73881cc9b1c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:00 - 09:59:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況，並備質詢。（11月12日及13日二天一次會）） |
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謝謝主席 我們請徐家欣委員長來 委員長請徐委員長 欸 我很好奇喔先追問一下 為什麼您覺得新加坡接下來可能會被列入警視欸 倒不是說一般人都會被列入警視啦是 特定人士會被列入警視比方說 省委員可能會有風險 |
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所以他之后就不能去新加坡是这个意思那我问一下就是我们在2015年的时候其实那时候的这个立法委员郑立军也是现在的副院长那他就有批评过这个教育部长吴思华那理由呢是因为吴思华部长那时候他用公务机票出访德国在这个行程结束之后呢还另外加了三天的这个个人假期 |
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那鄭麗芸委員她就說呢公務機票不應該拿來私人旅遊公司應該分明我想問一下這個委員長你對於公務出差之後然後在家請假的這樣子的一個做法的態度您覺得是就是說過去鄭麗文立委現在的副院長她對於吳思華的批評你覺得是合理的嗎 |
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對於這個個案內容我並不是很了解但是就他的個案就是說因為教育部我了解教育部因為他並不是涉外單位說他每一個行程跟每一個行程中間都一直接連不斷的那這跟外交部或僑委會狀況不一樣我們可能從這一點到這一點中間的活動可能會有一兩天的落差那所以說要連續起來 |
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所以本會過去幾十年的慣例就是可以比如說A活動然後呢跟B活動中間然後你可能用請假的方式是為了A活動要去參加B活動所以才請假的是的是這個意思是這個意思那這個可是對方他的公務行程之後這個多了三天的請假那也不一定他是私人旅遊啊所以我覺得當初這個說法那好那你現在所以我說我不知道他的個案是怎麼情況 |
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根據8月底的休假資料我想要請問一下您在8月13號到8月20號的這段休假時間您仍是在台灣嗎我休假時間不在台灣跟委員報告事實上我是出國而且出國的機票是我自己買的 |
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而且因為這樣子我知道下一個點我第一個出差出訪的點是什麼我就特別買去那個點幫國家省了一筆錢21號到9月15號再一次因公出國在這次出國裡面那你也是自己付費還是就是用公務機票那一趟就是已經在當地國 |
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然後當地國我們所以之後又跑了很多國啊所以每一國的機票就變成公務機票啦OK所以後續是公務機票通常是公務了我想要請教一下就是說您在這個休假之後接著公務出國那前面的這個頭的部分您說您是我自己自費買的對但是尾的部分是嗎 |
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跟委員報告這樣子過去僑委會歷任不管委員長或副委員長通通是一樣的模式就是說其實我們反而是因為不想浪費公堂因為他A活動到B活動之間如果只有兩天左右的空檔他如果來回飛 |
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耗掉的這個交通費會更高我就問的是說 您去的時候啊我自己買機票 自己買的機票嘛 對但你去B點的時候 那個機票就是公務機票嘛開始是公務了 對那所以其實實際上面呢 還是有一段的行程沒有 委員 我先到的第一點就在那個地方沒有機票所以那一段是我全部自己出的 對啊我幫公務出了 委員 事實上我本來就要飛去那個點那我先飛去那個點 我還用自己的錢來買所以我為了不想讓 |
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有些不懂得同仁亂講所以我還特別交代同仁說如果我一開始是請休假的部分我就全部都自費這已經不是第一次了我好幾次都是這樣我願意以私濟公飛機的這個票是在8月13嘛但是你8月20到8月21的部分的這個機票也是你自己出的嗎那個就在當地啦 已經是在當地啦所以後續就是等到9月15號再飛回來對 沒錯那我們接下來看一下 |
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委員跟您報告 我很感謝您特別詢問這個問題事實上過去這幾年我在僑委會 先不講副委員長的任內在單單是委員長這不到三年當中呢本人因公出國35次 總共是378天那麼我總共只有休假 核准的10天只有11天也就是說 如果我在這裡面這個 |
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沒有請補休假我每一年要貢獻給國家的天數可能都有七八三個月左右的天數要送給國家事情是這樣的累積你的任期大概有四分之一的時間都在國外嗎超過直統計到你這個擔任委員長的時間還不包括副委員長的時候 |
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那我們可以看一下就是說您出國的時間基本上是比兩任的外交部長加起來還要多很多但是請假不是問題同樣的資料您在任內是請假了34次然後一共是47天 |
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那但是呢你看喔112年5月26號到7月1號113年6月20號到7月15號113年11月10號到11月25號114年的4月13號到5月5號那這個分別跟您的請假紀錄的重疊分別是三天七天兩天跟一天請問這些都是您剛剛所說的您都是自費買機票嗎這四次都是這樣子剛剛那次是一樣的嗎 |
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對 我要跟您說明一下對 你確定喔對 就是A點到B點我們是基於A點到B點然後 呃 老實講 而且我不想誤領 或者是特別去領在公務公務機要 呃 那個出差費 |
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所以我都是如實的做說沒關係那我就用我的請休假來代替那幾天我自己出生活費的方式是停留在當地喔我問的是說你這個112年這個中間重複就是你跟他休假重疊的這個部分嘛那你的這個休假就是說你委員那天只有停一天休假而已是週末喔哪一天112年的這一個 |
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對 5月26號嘛到7月1號的時候三天的休假對啊 你請了三天的休假對 三天的休假我剛剛說錯了嗎沒有沒有 三天的休假對啊 所以你剛剛說我這個什麼意思啊我沒講錯嘛三天嘛 對不對對好 三天就三天啦我的意思是說所以您剛剛講說那是因為它很遠喔在北美洲到台灣如果我這三天飛回來再飛過去那等於就是 |
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你裡面有六日的只有就是我剛剛講的那個道理啊6月26號到7月2號裡面有重疊到六日其他的都沒有那七天碰到六日的話其實還中間還有五天所以我想要我六日通通沒有休假全部都還是在跑行程我不管嘛那你請了假就是請了假嘛我們從上面那都是我應該可以請的請休假對 |
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都會合法的請休假我沒有說你不能請假我什麼時候這樣講的我剛剛的問題是說您在這四次112、113、113、114次的這個中間有重疊請假的這個部分的機票那也是像您剛剛所說的是由您自己來付費的嗎 |
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委員我剛剛已經解釋過了齁我剛剛一開始就請休假所以我說那一段機票我自己買就不要用公務機票但是如果是前端我已經飛到哪裡去了我就地停留 |
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那就沒有機票的問題啦就立庭留在那裡就沒有機票的問題就沒有機票的問題啦那我們可以看一下齁那過去呢也有您在擔任台北市議員的時候那開記者會去質詢這個勞工局長蘇迎貴那那時候你指控他就是呢補修扶爛我都很記得對 |
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9月赴美考察橫跨兩個週休10月把這個週休的工價拿出來補休你認為這是所謂的補休氾濫跟制度錯亂但是補休一樣是人家合理的可以請假的假期那你卻認為當時的你卻認為如果呢在考察中委員不一樣他是去考察我是去執行公務他那段行程結束就沒有了就全部是私人的了我是因為兩段中間 |
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你去 你去執行公務還是你自己因為你是請假的狀態所以我沒有辦法去核實說你是不是在執行公務啊因為你都已經請假啦我所有的公務當然都有同仁跟著當然都要寫報告這些東西都是都是已經公告上網的你是不是其實還有去做很多私人的事情很多 |
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我做我私人事情只有在我請休假的時間我才能做所以我講說你請休假的時候你也有在做你私人的事情所以我沒有用公務預算啊這樣有什麼問題嗎你這機票就從頭到尾的時候你中間這段請假的時候你就是有去做各位的事情委員你聽不懂我的意思嗎如果我飛回來再飛過去同樣一個地方那我是不是要多兩張公務機票到底我在幫國家 |
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省錢 還是我在幫國家花更多錢你把你自己個人的休假再回到過去的做法 你可以聽我說嗎我根本不是這樣不要以小人之心做君子之腹 本人都不是這樣做的你知道多少人檢舉你這個事情嗎我不知道那些人到底腦袋有沒有搞清楚第一 如果我一開始是請休假的 我就是自己自付機票 |
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如果我是公務行程出去中間因為A到B我需要銜接所以我都會就地停留我就地停留的時候哪有衍生機票的問題我還是在執行公務啊那幾天過去的委員長做法可能他就排一天一個行程然後就繼續領公務費用然後就過了我是不願意這樣做所以我才跟同仁說我不要這樣搞我就是要清清楚楚 |
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這三天不是什麼大型活動要做了我不要為了說度過這三天然後就各排一個活動然後請你那個費用我說我願意自己出錢那三天住在那裡我自己付旅館費用請假的那幾天你的旅館費用都是自己付的當然是啊委員當然都是我自己出的錢 |
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所以你覺得我這樣子是很不合理嗎我很合理好嗎我們了解一下因為您被檢舉了因為你剛剛說的那個小人之心我不能接受而且這個檢舉都是烏龍檢舉我都知道是誰檢舉的頭一個人老是搞不清楚狀況很多都是我們在當地的僑胞有一些是我自己認識的朋友 |
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他們就搞不清楚狀況說我們現在是什麼狀況啊喬包也不會知道我們是什麼狀況啊他也不知道我下一個點要去哪裡因為我不會告訴他我下一個點要去哪裡因為這是秘密所以我還是再提醒一下好不好因為這個事情在我這邊收到監局委員 本人不到三年的時間呢我請休假的我總共累積了兩百多天的假期二二八天我總共呢 休不到八十天委員 你滿意嗎 |
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很好啊 你就繼續這樣我本來是 洪子勳的心情不想講這些話的 |
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你逼我講出來了那很好啊讓你有一個澄清的機會啊謝謝但是不要小人之心我從來不這樣做的本人就是願意以私濟公好嗎以私濟公好但是呢我也要強調你們自己在做僑委會這個工作的時候也有非常多的真的非常多我就是知道以前有些狀況發生所以在我開始我就全部併結說不可以這樣做對如果不是這麼多人來檢舉的話我今天不會問這個問題 |
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那我也不想把事情跟細節講得太難聽是因為裡面會涉及到一些你們個人的這個隱私的問題我都不怕檢視那在這個個人隱私上面來說你不怕檢視我還是要注意各自法的問題嘛所以既然有這麼多既然有這麼多的人檢舉是不是您也可以去了解一下說為什麼您做委員長到現在 |
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我想沒有很多人 你知道的就是那幾個而已沒有沒有沒有 我知道的人一定不是你說的人謝謝徐委員 |