| IVOD_ID |
16523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16523 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T08:31:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T11:27:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:55:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d826f2beb725bce952042dc10dca826777a524d1b3d409a1a5abe3b21390cac0c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:02 - 11:27:00 |
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咦? |
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報告委員會 出席委員9人 已足法定人數好 我們現在開始開會 請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期外交及國防委員會第二次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年三月十三日星期四上午九時至十一時二十五分地點黃樓山林會議室出席委員盧美玲等十一人內席委員賴慧媛等十八人內席人員國防部部長顧立雄及所屬人員主席黃昭吉委員人報告事項已宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
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二 邀請國防部部長報告國機國造交機進度及永營高校機失事後檢修情況並被質詢國防部部長顧立雄 空軍司令部參謀長王德陽報告委員羅美林等11人質詢軍有國防部部長顧立雄國防部副部長鍾樹民軍備局局長林文祥主計局局長謝啟賢空軍司令部參謀長王德陽及國家中山科學研究院副院長陳奕辰等即席答覆 |
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決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二委員所提口頭及書面質詢為其答覆或要求提供資資訊請國防部於二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員另指定期限者從期鎖定三委員林毅君王定宇及羅志強所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報宣讀完畢 |
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好 請問在場委員對於上次會議的議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正之處好 那議事錄確定齁那請議事委員宣讀報告事項報告事項 邀請僑務委員會委員長許家青報告業務概況便被質詢 宣讀完畢好 謝謝那我們來介紹一下在場的委員齁 這個許巧欣委員黃仁委員 |
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好 那我們介紹與會的官員好 今天是僑委會 僑委會第一次的夜報那委員長許家青副委員長張良明主任秘書榮佑娥綜合規劃處處長郭淑珍僑民處處長賴立穎僑教處處長林紀榮僑商處處長游凱權 |
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喬森處處長王怡如秘書室主任邱惠燕人事室主任楊志傑主系室主任林秀燕資訊室主任白忠光政風室主任楊尊仁法規會專門委員徐佑林 |
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喬烏通訊社社長吳小竹財團法人海外信用保證基金的董事長林保錫財團法人海華文教基金會的副執行長張宇庭 |
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好 那另外補充一下在本次會議的開會通知單有註明就是有關退府會非營業基金的預算提案因為這個還沒有審那收案的時間是3月25號星期二下午5點以前所以請各位委員在留意一下時間3月25號下午5點以前好 那本日會議邀請僑務委員會徐家青委員長報告業務概況並備質詢那現在請徐委員長上台報告 |
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召委 各位委員 大家早安今天景榮僑務委員會非常榮幸能夠對近半年來的業務提出報告本會分成今天的報告有前言惠據僑力因應國際局勢的變化第三 聚焦在施政的核心推動僑務工作第四 給予四個段落 敬請指教 |
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那麼當前全球的政治經濟的情勢變化非常劇烈美國總統川普當選及提出就任之後呢提出貿易關稅等議題對各國的企業半導體AI產業的供應鏈均產生了非常深遠的影響在這樣的挑戰之下海內外的緊密合作就更加重要那我們將與更多的海外僑民第二代第三代國際友人共同來創造區域的繁榮 |
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同時也要特別感謝全球的僑民無論身在何處都不忘關心台灣的發展尤其最近228紀念活動遺族返鄉團等等都是希望能夠在轉型正義歷史記憶上幫助更多的台灣民主發展這正是僑務工作其中的重要功能之一 |
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在匯聚僑力因應國際的局勢變化方面僅就下面四個面向向委員說明第一貿易戰頻傳衝擊橋台商海外經營佈局隨著國際環境快速的變化關稅政策對橋台商企業帶來嚴峻的挑戰 |
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台灣政府正以非紅供應鏈的方式來深化與歐美日等國家合作本會也會積極掌握局勢的變動結合台灣產官學研量能及橋台商在地深耕的優勢來促進橋台商持續的穩健向前發展第二 |
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中共運用春節活動展開各項文化統戰活動春節期間相關的活動 |
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承載著豐沛的傳統文化但同時也充滿統戰意涵近期中共透過新春暖新包春節禮金的方式在傳達對僑胞的關懷印象本會則積極透過協府僑團來舉辦各項的親子行春 |
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帶領家庭的孩子向長輩拜年說明元宵節的文化活動意義等提供春聯小提燈等等讓年輕一輩透過認識與體驗節慶文化增進與台灣的連結第三 |
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青年世代的崛起重視青年投資未來已經成為國際的趨勢培育青年已成為提升國家競爭力與促進國際合作非常重要的關鍵僑務工作也積極推動往下扎根move to next generation的政策以僑界青年培育計畫交流為策略的核心多面向來拓展青年視野累積人脈來為日後發展提供厚實的基礎 |
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第四 總和外交形塑國際社會有我的合作氣氛總和外交的策略以打造與理念相近國際夥伴更具韌性合作的網絡全球有我的氛圍正日漸增進中全球的僑界也同時積極的協助台灣爭取各國的支持例如剛剛在3月 |
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中旬北美洲台灣商會聯合總會舉辦了Capital Hill叩門之旅向美國的70位參眾議員進行拜會由我的政界人士尋求支持台灣參與國際組織或亞洲台灣商會聯合總會也籌組相關的投資考察團拜訪友邦讓台灣成為全球可信賴的合作夥伴 |
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接下來我們在聚焦施政推動的核心工作上面分以下幾點向委員做說明有七大重點第一首先在提供青年豐富的公眾參與機會方面有青年百億圓夢基金這個計劃本會也參與了相關的提供各種的方案與海外的僑團來合作讓青年能夠在國際翱翔 |
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第二 我們持續從106年起推動搭橋計畫今年度的搭橋計畫現在正在進行第二階段的面試今年打算以七條路線在五個國家分別有84名搭橋計畫的大學生研究生學員會赴七個不同的城市第三 長期從1100年開始2011年至今我們舉辦了FASCA |
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近期又增加了Senior FASCA的計畫在北美洲啟動了相關的青少年的活動養成計畫近年來已經拓展到全球包括中南美洲、非洲、歐洲都有逐漸在擴大當中第四,持續的辦理第四屆的全球青商潛力之星的選拔來提升青年企業家的發展實力第五,海外文教志工 |
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本會每年都在協輔大專樂校以及民間的團體志工團能夠赴海外尤其在東南亞各地的橋校來進行服務第六持續辦理海外青年英語服務營英語服務營是自2006年即開始辦理至今今年即將邁入第20個年頭每一年的這個近三年來我們的海外英語營報名人數都非常踴躍 |
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其次我針對在海外僑民與台灣的合作上面分別來跟各位委員報告近期來我們透過出訪海外僑界來強化及擬近僑心後持政府的實力其次以語言與文化的方面與海外的僑團、僑校充分合作來運用台灣的文化優勢 |
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產業特性促進雙向的交流第三聯繫服務橋台商的組織包括結合世界台商總會世界華人工商婦女企管協會等等的年會平台以台灣為核心來攜手創造海內外的商機第四鏈接所有17萬的留台校友網絡強化他們的各國的會務運作以及增進畢業僑生協助推動相關的政策 |
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第五促進海內外的媒體對台灣的政經發展的報導辦理海外華文媒體人事歸國訪問團將僑務工作的成果與各國來分享第三 |
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攜手與僑界拓展台灣的國際參與空間海外僑團及僑財商的組織運用人脈以及資源協助台灣爭取國際組織的參與包括有世界衛生組織、UN聯合國、CPTPP等重要的國際組織根據近年來的統計去年至今113年的海外僑界在46個地區有發起了 |
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我國參與WHO相關系列活動有111場 觸及人數超過10萬人在北美地區的僑團有發起52場加入聯合國的系列活動有200個僑團 觸及人數有60萬共襄盛舉今年持續擴大 結合各種大型的活動包括美國的職棒大聯盟或是職籃等重要賽事透過舉辦台灣日 |
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美食巡迴展講座等等透過軟實力來深化與當地的主流人士交流第四結合語言與文化推廣台灣的華語文產業為提升台灣的國際能見度同時結合文化與語言 |
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推動華語文產業利用智能科技的方式舉辦口說華語以及歌唱比賽的活動來激發華語學習者的興趣這已經在今年要邁入第四年的舉辦以及今年也即將舉辦台灣華語教學國際高峰會來拓展全球的華語市場 |
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同時我們自111年開始2022年起開始深耕計劃以來已經在全球設置華語文學習中心到目前為止有88所華語文學習中心在美國等13個歐美國家為華語的 |
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無華語基礎的國際人士提供一個優質的華語文學習的環境以意味未來即將擴大做準備包括加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭等等歐洲、亞洲都有機會繼續擴大TCML這個台灣華語文學習中心的一個設置 |
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第五,持續地打造海內外的平台來拓展商機,配合政府的各項經貿政策,本會攜伏橋台商扮演橋樑的角色,促進與世界經濟的交流。今年將持續地攜伏海內外交流合作,因應產業的趨勢脈動,辦理綠色競爭力。 |
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領域的邀訪活動協助橋台商掌握產業的趨勢同時在氣候變遷等重大議題上本年也將示範性的輔導橋團企業的經驗分享辦理溫室氣體盤查種子培訓以及2025年的經貿專題巡迴講座 |
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最後是橋台商的企業淨零碳排的強化計畫都將在今年是作為主軸的議題第六結合橋深來台質雅發展提供妥善的協助與服務落實國家人才的政策因此本會積極推動培育生源擴大招生在學輔導與就業輔導四大 |
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核心的工作並從今年1月開始就優化團隊的分工提供從招生入學就學到就業各個階段細緻的服務在吸引僑生來台就學方面開設符合產業升級需求的專班包含有產息合作專班這是三加四以及兩年制的學士副學士班四年制的產學合作學士班 |
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第二在輔導方面我們今年也會繼續透過橋台橋深專班學生華語文的加強計劃這是培育培育我們在 |
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商職、高職以及技專端的華語教師希望他們能夠提升學生的華語能力完成相關的學習以及相關的實習工作第三,在喬生畢業之後我們也加強留台就業的輔導措施除了打造喬生愛就業平台之外同時辦理今年會有北、中、南三場的就業博覽會 |
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以及僑生就業巡迴說明會和企業說明會在北中南三場就業博覽會方面呢今年的推動可以說受到企業非常大熱烈的參與我們從前年第一次舉辦50個企業參與去年有130個今年已經破了300家企業而且六成以上都是上市櫃相當具有規模的企業 |
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接下來針對第七點布建綿密的網絡來傳遞海外的傳遞海外僑民以及台灣的訊息為使最新的海外僑務工作以及台灣的政經訊息可以透過適當的網路廣告來提供僑民本會以僑務電子報為核心建構了六大官網這六大官網包含有YouTube Facebook Link |
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Align, X, Instagram 等根據不同讀者的使用習慣我們提供不同的語言跟內容來精準及時的資訊補充或澄清相關的錯假訊息以便協助所有的僑民掌握快速精準的資訊同時為強化與全球的華文媒體聯繫合作今年將舉辦華文 |
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媒體報導大獎並且新增了一項短影音的獎項叫做YES!台灣同時透過海外華文媒體報導大獎的入圍者邀訪團以及海外華文媒體人士的訪問團等交流活動來正向的報導台灣的力量最後 |
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在今天的報告結束以前我要特別感謝委員多日來長期的對我們僑委會的協助與關注面對這麼充滿挑戰的局勢本會仍然會持續的優化各項的服務來爭取全球僑民對政府的向心力並且深化僑界與台灣的連結合作促成海內外的共贏同時也為使本會的 |
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相關應處能力持續增加本會正嘗試以全社會韌性的概念來加強各項的施政內涵期盼透過各種假想的突發狀況的特殊情境去盤點可以運用的資源以及標準的作業程序展望未來本會會持續的以喬為良為喬 |
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Bridge來匯聚全球的僑力連結台灣的優勢共組堅強有韌性的挺台灣的團隊落實各項的重大國家政策的發展以上報告請各位委員不吝指教感謝 |
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我們現在開始詢答今天本會委員6加2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘10點半的時候大概發言登記截止10點半我們如果有臨時提案請於10點半以前提出11點左右處理那我們現在請徐巧欣委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請徐嘉欣委員長有請徐委員長 謝謝 |
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薛琳早安早安我看到這次的業務這個報告裡面跟過去好幾次我們看到業務報告比較不一樣可能也跟賴總統的這一次的談話相關裡面比較多都寫到了就是說如何在僑團的部分增加一些台灣的意識或者是什麼反中共統戰認知作戰之類這樣子的一個內容 |
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那先前您接受訪問的時候也提到了呢這個中共滲透海外僑社將手伸向親台派親民進黨的僑團打著綠旗反綠旗那我想要問一下這個徐家青委員長您在所謂的 |
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中共滲透海外僑社這個部分可不可以說明一下細節是怎麼樣在哪個地區的海外僑社讓你感覺到他們是打著綠旗反綠旗跟委員報告近期確實有包括在亞太區像是越南澳洲馬來西亞美國 |
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美国都有这个相关的侨团来跟我们报告那您刚刚讲到东南亚的话那泰国越南菲律宾这些您感受上确实也有也都有是吧所以算是跟台湾主要的一些贸易还有往来的国家以侨团来说你都感觉到了是有中共渗透的这个 |
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近期因為有很多農曆年節的活動所以他們就透過辦這些農曆年節的活動呢邀請僑團的幹部希望去參加他們的這個相關的這個活動舉辦所以除了這個之外呢那還有沒有其他的您所感受到的對於僑團的這個中共滲透的方式 |
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還有包括就是會想要提供包括像我們台商會舉辦一些定期聚會的時候以年會大會他們就會想要提供一些贊助品這樣子的一個做法企圖要融入不過因為我們橋台商的各自經濟實力一般來講都還算不錯 |
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所以我想他們應該也不會被這種小東西所影響所以呢您講的這個中共滲透海外的僑社那就您來評估的話你覺得並不是那麼的成功可以這麼說嗎以台藝的這個僑團來說並不成功但是傳統僑社我們還是密切關注因為我相信我們在台灣的僑胞啊對中華民國的向心力是非常強的 |
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每一次我們在辦這個雙十國慶的酒會的時候像我自己在美國的朋友他們都一定要來參加那就是表達對中華民國的這個認同是那所以呢我想這個還想是問一下就是說你們認為說在海外僑社真的有被滲透的部分它的樣態是什麼樣的樣態它的僑社屬於什麼樣的僑社類別上面來說事實上近期我們 |
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有沒有一些具體的案例可以跟我們分享有些案例我可能簡單的大致把輪廓跟委員報告就是我們確實有關注到部分的專業團體那因為在海外各種專業人士都會有那麼早期台灣所創立的一些新的專業團體比方說會計師協會以這個來說在這個平台上是說在 |
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僑團的會計師協會這個要講清楚不是台灣的會計師協會在海外的僑團的會計師協會比方說這樣子的一個專業團體隨著近年來因為中國的僑民越來越增加 |
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那他們也有相當比例的這個專業人士形成那麼有部分的專業人士也由於我們的這個專業團體已經設立了他們就來加入那加入的人數高到一個比例的時候他們甚至已經有能力變成是理監事了 |
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這個就是我們也有一定擔憂的地方看到的太陽這樣子那您在這次的這個業務報告裡面的第四頁剛剛您有提到不過不是那麼的詳細提到中國運用春節活動開始文化統戰那您提到就是說在113年12月的時候聯合國教科文組織將春節列入人類非物質文化遺產那英文的關於叫做Spring Festival |
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那您這邊提到的是翻譯上卻出現了Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的爭論那你也認為在這裡提到說這樣子的說法的翻譯呢是碎形統戰的場域那是這樣子來講的嗎? |
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應該這樣講本來我們在翻譯上就要精準精確那過去這十多年來中國運用各種的在文字上的技巧企圖把這個有全球化的所謂春節的活動變成是屬於中國的所以在英文翻譯上都說Chinese New Year但是近年來我們包括看到聯合國或者各國政府他們都用Lunar New Year的方式來更正Lunar New Year |
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農曆年才是正確的翻譯但是你在報告上面卻寫的是Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的這個爭論是那因為有部分的僑團至今仍然還是繼續使用Chinese New Year這樣子的字眼那這個就部分的會讓其他族裔的 |
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這些民眾會抗議因為包括有越南、韓國、馬來西亞、新加坡各個國家都也是過這個農曆年節的活動那如果把這個Lunar New Year稱為Chinese New Year好像這些國家的主體性也都不見了因此他們在邀請一些不同族裔的人參加的時候就難免會被人家批評OK 好 |
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我想請問一下,2025年,也就是今年度,僑委會主辦跟協辦相關春節活動,分別有幾個場次? |
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這個場次非常的多我們還在統計當中因為他們的辦理事實上是從1月下旬然後就一直持續到3月底都陸續還有所以我們原則上都會等3月底會統一計算所有的數量但是今年舉辦的這個狀況非常熱烈而且還有非常多創新的做法我現在只能就粗略的部分來提供那我們統整好以後會送一份完整資料給委員 |
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那我再問一下接下來的題目就是說呢如果我們談到的是這個Lunar New Year的話這個農曆新年是不是就認為是沒有問題的我們只是不是說有沒有問題是說希望大家能夠精準正確的去傳譯因為春節的農曆年概念就是Lunar嘛絕對不是如果是叫做Chinese就變中國節中國新年就會變成是這個概念了 |
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那所以這個其實這是為什麼前年開始聯合國就做出了這樣子的一個宣示希望說這是一個世界的節日但是聯合國講的是Spring Festival跟Chinese New Year還有Lunar New Year都是不一樣的這個在其他包括美國包括法國他們在白宮或香榭宮也都是證明用Lunar New Year的做法一改過去用Chinese New Year的 |
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那近日來呢 這個陸委會跟移民署那他們轟轟烈烈的審查了這些陸配的言論也引發了這個相關的效應那我最後想要問的事情是僑胞他們也有華僑身份的證明那如果有僑名的話那他們可以方便在國內辦理投資 工商登記不動產買賣 遺產繼承也可以開立賬戶稅務考試入境居留 還有最常遇到的這個兵役 |
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那委員長如果這個華僑他有談論到支持統戰或是支持台灣獨立也就是非支持中華民國的言論那我們僑委會這邊會做什麼樣的一個具體的動作 |
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針對僑民的部分是是是 我想我們會努力的來跟這些僑民溝通只要溝通而已 沒有其他的因為他們都是他國 他已經是他國公民了是啊 但是他們可以所以我們還是要尊重他他國公民但是我相信我們絕大多數的僑民都不會做出這樣傷害台灣地位的地方那我們會有跟委會一樣的審查機制甚至去撤照他的我想我們執行的方式是不一樣的 |
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因為陸委會管轄的範圍是指在台灣已經要加入公民的人了解那會有面談機制嗎因為我們就拿了幾個陸委會你說申請華僑證明嗎不是就是說如果你發現說這些僑報他有統戰或是台獨相關的這個非中華民國的言論那我們會像陸委會這樣比較會有訪談面談的機制 |
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我想我們不會 我剛剛已經講了因為這些是他國公民我們不可能做這些他國公民的權利侵犯好 謝謝了解了謝謝委員長 謝謝好 謝謝徐委員 謝謝委員長那接下來我們請羅美玲委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席 有請徐委員長 |
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委員長早安委員長早安委員長今天針對這個僑委會的這個會務的工作呢做了非常詳細的這個報告那其中呢也提到了為了抑制台灣產業所需呢我們開設了符合產業升級需求的這個僑生專班那這些專班呢受到其實受到媒體跟大家關注的 |
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其實就是我們過去一直討論的三加四的產學專班那上個會期我也跟委員長討論過就是說其實目前能夠成功畢業三加四的學生並不多那委員長有提到就是說針對我們之前討論的問題我們交友會會一一的來處理跟解決 |
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那上個會期我們所提到的就是語言的問題當然我有今天看到這個報告就是說委員長有提到就是我們今年呢將要推動僑生專班學生華語文加強的這個計畫因為上個會期我也跟委員長提到就是說其實有很多的這一個僑外生來到台灣之後呢因為對這個這個華語文的這個不熟悉所以呢產生了這個學習的這個障礙所以我們現在看到就是說僑友會呢有要來改進就是說 |
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想透過這華語文的輔導跟這個教室的培訓的提升學生的這個華語能力那之前我也有看到一個報導就是說委員長有提到就是說從今年的九月份新生我們可能就會來一個完整的一個在校學習的這個課程因為我知道像過去的話 |
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讓大家抨擊的就是說有很多學生一下飛機其實馬上就送到工廠去做實習他們連語言都不通連課都還沒有上就已經送到工廠裡面去做實習這部分的一直都是受到抨擊的那當然這部分我有看到是全國會有提到就是說今年九月開始新生必須要完整上一個學期的這個課程那這部分我跟你講這個部分有沒有比較詳細的一個說法 |
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我們其實是有一個系列的改善措施包括我們從去年的12月開始我們就要求28個跟我們有簽約合作的高職必須每個學校都要派他們的華語教師來參加我們的進修課程那因為僑生的這個華語學習的需求跟我們本地生從小學習華語的這個樣態是不同的 |
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因此在使用教材方面我們也提供他們用我們新的雙語教材的模式來協助老師讓他在教學現場比較能夠掌握學生的學習跟互動的量能這是第一個部分其次我們也跟教育部做了非常多的細節的討論所以從今年度新的九月份第一批新的新生進來的時候我們就要落實開始前三個月到四個月 |
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在學校做這個第一階段的所謂語言篩選分流分成初級、中級、高級如果他的華語已經進到高級階段的他可以選修第二外國語其他的語言來強化他的這個競爭力但是中級跟初級的部分呢就是一樣要繼續參加我們的華語班 |
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那這個華語班在結束之後我們會有一個簡單的叫做快篩用快篩的方式來判斷他是不是已經到達可以出去做實習一般生活的這個需求所以快篩有通過了之後才會讓他進入這個實習的場域這個是我們今年也跟教育部開會 |
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做成的一些決議所以馬上9月就要來落實執行那教育部也支持我們這樣的一個計畫的執行那我們可以預期就是說今年的12月底以後那麼很可能學生在做完這個快篩如果成績每一班的這個 |
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數字都有高度的成長我們也會給這些華語教師一定的這個bonus來獎勵他讓他覺得說他這樣的教學改善是對學生有幫助的所以我們會有多管齊下的方式那學生呢到畢業以前我們一定要求他通通要到B2以上的應該說A2以上的華語程度他才可以去對接這個技專的科技大學 |
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三年結束一定要達到A2那我們第一階段是要達到A1以上所以A1到A2之間這兩年當中就是讓他繼續持續的加強語言的學習如果他在第一階段就能夠有所提升會有很大的程度幫助他的適應力還有學習力以及他去實習的溝通所以這個部分我們從去年到今年就持續的在改善當中 |
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好 謝謝委員長的這個說明因為我一直覺得語言是進入他這個學習很重要的門檻我也看到小委會的這個努力那我就要說三家市成立了將近20年其實它有很多的這個乘客真的很需要小委會來做這個解決跟處理因為我發現說三家市不單單一直一再的受到媒體的這個關注甚至我之前還看到這個媒體有報導就是說連美國 |
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連美國的這個人口販運都提到說我們這個僑生專班都是被關注的這一點所以這部分有影響到台灣的這個國際形象那但除了語言之外我在想教學品質的不佳還有仲介的這個問題都是要委員長這邊來搭搭到霍府來做這個處理的我想三家式產學專班原先的它的這個建立的其實是一個美意可是 |
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沒有想到20年來是越走越糟糕啦委員其實沒有20年我們是103年開始實驗性計畫103年就2014年所以到今年是滿10年10年而已那前幾年因為他的招生規模都很小而且當時也沒有配套措施所以我們在經過檢討以後也確實發現說當時的學生可能念一年兩年三年他們就陸續流失了 |
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所以真正唸到七年畢業的人數都只有三到四成而已但是這三到四成如果唸到畢業的他真的留在台灣的就業率就高達八成五以上了所以可見得說他如果真的能夠受到台灣好的教育栽培那他留台的機率也變很很大委員長我再打下一下是 |
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OK那之前我們也就這個所謂的這個流台率我們也做了這個檢討那之前我也看到一個您的訪談就是有提到就是說我們你也承認了其實承接的很多的這個學校其實已經面幾乎是要面臨這個倒閉體質不佳的這個學校來承接這個這個3加4 |
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真的要倒閉了我們就不會跟他簽約了像之前一直都有這些學生來承接我們三家市的這個班那現在的話我們要如何去淘汰跟篩檢就讓這些學校退場嘛現在我們怎麼處理的這部分 |
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跟委員說明一下就是我們台灣的技職教育其實在過去幾十年其實是相當成功的它也培養了我們台灣無數的這些這個勞動力以及優質的人力那很多的老闆企業都是從這樣子的一個苦學出身那所以技職教育在台灣並不是像今天說的這樣都是不好的 |
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但是有一些後段班的由於他的這個可能教師人數不足或者是學校經營不善那麼逐漸有一些狀況所以我們的態度就是我們要服優太弱那太弱的我們事實上是不會跟他做任何合作的可是他現在有些正在承接當中也就是說這個結束之後他比方說有兩個學校確實是這樣他們後面他們就不能再承接了他們現在只剩下高三的那一班辦完他們就結束了 |
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我們有在增加新的學校但是我們也有淘汰不好的學校所以我們蘿蔔棍子當然都是要同步那作為政府當然是不能不教而殺我們一定是先給予輔導先給予相關的協助那麼如果他還在不改善的狀況影響學生的教學這個就學權益或者說是沒有辦法達到我們的標準那我們只好讓他退場 |
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一方面是先減人數跟減班再者就是重則我們就把這個約就取消所以這個我們都每年每年重新再檢視 |
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OK 好 謝謝 謝謝委員長當然最近這兩個會期跟委員長都討論這個三家市當然我也很開心看到說我們有逐步在做改善因為說實在的三家市連美國都在注意到就是說我們這些學生到底是來做打工還是來上學不會讓人口發育的事情發生在我們的政策裡面是 所以這個部分這是我們要特別留意的地方OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅委員 |
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好 謝謝羅委員那我們現在請陳俊宇委員上台持續好 謝謝主席 我們有請委員長有請委員長 謝謝 |
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委員長早陳委員長安 歡迎加入外委會新生 新生報導謝謝委員長那我們就去年去年我們對喬森的這個就業博覽會 |
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所舉辦的這個成效算不錯那今年也接續要繼續辦理這個就業博覽會而且參加的這個廠家也比去年多一倍以上那我想像這種我們未來要辦的這北中南分別三場的這個就業博覽會對於我們這個僑委會這邊能否預估今年會參加的這個僑生大概人數會是多少 |
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那僑委會未來會如何來規劃,來提高媒合的成功機率,讓僑生能夠更加有意願留在台灣 |
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是謝謝委員的這個問題那就業博覽會的部分呢我們從第一屆只有51家企業參與當時有4000多位僑生其實不是單純都是僑生也有外籍生還有本地生後來都用了我們這個平台那因為我們這個就業博覽會是一天實體然後半年是用這個網路平台的模式來幫他們做媒合然後提供一些 |
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在求職的訓練或者是如何撰寫履歷表等等去年我們又再一次提高北部有80間企業高雄有50間企業參與的人數也在繼續提升當中今年預估我們在北部、中部、南部都各有超過100多所的企業 |
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而且跨級包括有金融服務業包括有旅宿餐飲業還有製造業、科技業營造業、電商類別類型都非常的多今年預估人數我想應該會比去年前年同步繼續上升 |
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但由於是我們三月底才即將要開始所以我們是抱著一個努力誠惶誠恐的心情那另外跟委員報告就是說我們除了博覽會以外我們還有北中南東的就業巡迴說明會那這個說明會呢基本上是針對著學校以及企業界來辦理所以我們也有一場在東部這個會有針對企業以及針對學校的說明好那這部分再請委員長 |
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提供資料謝謝那對於我們台灣的部分最近這幾年缺工蠻嚴重的那對於我們這些優秀的僑生我們各個企業都希望他們有機會的話能夠留在台灣來服務 |
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我想就這個問題請教我們委員長,那我們在台灣的有哪些企業,他對於這個聘用僑生的意願會比較高一點?是相對的對於這個僑生,他對於什麼樣的企業他會比較有那個意願留在台灣? |
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事實上現在分佈的都還蠻多元的沒有特別集中以批發零售業來說應該說累積到今年1月為止在批發零售業的部分申請的學生佔15% |
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15.6%是在批發零售業有4132人那麼在旅宿餐飲業有15.32%也是破4000人那再來就是在專業的科學技術服務業這也4000 |
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零三十一人也是十五點二六趴這三個蛋的比例第四個是製造業製造業是三千接近四千三千九百八十七人那也佔十五點零九趴所以以上四個大類別呢就佔了這個六成以上的這個比例那這個總計已經有超過一萬五千人來這個投入這個相關的流台 |
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那其次還有包括出版影音傳播資訊通訊服務業這一方面也不遑多讓去年到現在為止有2500多人佔了將近10%的投入那台灣在這方面事實上是相對有基礎而且多元文化的 |
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即便是在所謂的社工技醫療健保方面也有1300多人投入這個也佔了5%以上所以各種業別教育業這個藝術、休閒、文化、娛樂通通有 |
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那我還是請我們僑委會這邊盡量來媒合因為適材適用讓適合的人才可以留在適合的部門是 我們會希望說讓來台灣念書的無論是在一般的學術大學或者是參加我們的這些產系合作專班的這些年輕學子學有所成的時候只要他想留下來我們會盡力幫他留下來 |
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那另外就是針對去年我們喬森就業博覽會的網站上所列的企業當中有幾家企業在半年內曾有違反勞動法令而被開罰的紀錄那我想對這個部分喬委會在參展的廠商篩選上有沒有注意到這一個區塊? |
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有 我們除了重視他們的資本額跟營業額的規模之外我們也會針對勞動部有或者是各地的檢察署所做出來的結果也都會把它列入如果過去一年他們有這些相關的記錄我們可能就會在這個篩選上把它排到比較後面去不讓它做實體展那這部分再請我們僑委會一樣留意一下好 |
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另外對於我們僑委會將在今年8月第二度要舉辦僑務探索營當然這個目的是要讓更多的我們在地的高中子學生可以盡早來瞭解我們僑務的相關業務還有一些可以參與討論的機會 |
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那在活動的規劃上還有內容,跟去年看起來大致都相同去年是66人參加,今年大概預定60個人我們喬委會預期這一場的營隊活動能夠達到怎樣的成效 |
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去年我們第一次辦這個橋霧探索營是針對高中學生這也是我們的嘗試過去我們都是大學以上用搭橋計畫讓他們去海外那我們發現說近期我們年輕人對於國際事務對公共事務的熱情跟參與度越來越高所以我們就向下扎根也是培養人才 |
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那去年辦的這個第一次的探索營反應非常熱烈全台灣有17個高中的66個學生入選那麼他們也都完成三天的培訓都非常積極投入而且他們的語言程度都蠻好的因為有不少人他們在 |
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做這些活動的時候我們要求他們是某些地方要用外語溝通所以我們有看到我們的學生其實是有很大的成長進步的這個成果出來那今年我們也預期說60個學生的這個參與報到應當也會在去年的基礎上持續的加深那我們是希望說讓學生能夠充分了解自己有什麼優勢在台灣那麼未來如果他要在海外發展的話 |
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他可以掌握怎麼樣的一個契機不管是個人或者是對他的企業或者對於我們這個國家那目前報名的情況怎麼樣 |
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剛剛開始才剛剛登出去而已原則上我們去年的經驗是報名很踴躍那去年的口碑也很不錯所以今年應當也是會很踴躍如果很踴躍的話我們有沒有可能再放寬一些名額我們很希望能夠把名額增加但是報告委員我們其實預算是變少的在這一部分我們是不足因為我們業務費今年已經這個三減了所以我就算今年想要再擴增也沒有辦法 |
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那這部分也是請我們僑委會盡量來幫忙啦因為既然這個我們的學子對這個活動有興趣的話我們想辦法看有沒有什麼這個經費可以來運資讓這個活動越辦越熱鬧也能夠讓更多的青年敢來參與我們這個僑務的這個推動的過程好 謝謝陳委員 謝謝好 謝謝陳委員 |
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那我們現在請王定宇委員上台質詢好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長何秀文委員長 謝謝王委員長安 |
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委員長 我在開始詢問之前 我追蹤一下一個事情的進度我跟沈博洋委員 我們曾經去馬來西亞的台灣學校回來之後我在這邊也質詢過我們同樣在海外 我們台灣人的子弟在那邊讀台灣學校 用台灣的課綱 用台灣的教材 |
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結果到中國的學校他們每個學期好像補助到三萬多每學年補助三萬多塊的樣子結果我們在東南亞其他的地方的類似這樣的台灣學校每個學年才一萬塊錢這個其實是非常不公平我們要強調這些是我們在海外的台灣子弟他們讀完中學之後會回台灣讀大學像馬來西亞的台灣學校辦得不錯甚至於讓馬來西亞國同意有八個國家的橋外生 |
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馬來西亞的僑外生可以去讀我們在馬來西亞的台灣學校有點像在台灣的美國學校他們已經變國際學校的規模就很多人想要去讀那一間可是我們的台灣也許是台商的子女或者是我們當地台僑的子弟那他的學費補助是一萬塊嘛是教育部補助的那我上次質詢說我說這個 |
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不對 何況在東南亞好像有七家台灣學校目前四家台灣學校他們用的是完全我們台灣的課堂完全用台灣的進度他的課本也不會被審查在中華人民共和國的台灣學校課本會用那個黑筆把中華民國塗掉 把東西塗掉 總統塗掉把一些有關國家代表性的東西都塗掉 |
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他還會審查你的課本課綱也沒有完全的執行這兩個差異就那一邊一學年三萬多塊錢的補助這邊一學年一萬塊錢的補助這個不僅是不公平而且有點像在懲罰照規矩來的而且這些人回到台灣讀書他們的相關的人會來這邊消費等等所以這個事情我從上次去馬來西亞看了我們的喬教中心我們的台灣學校回來質詢之後有沒有新的進度 |
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跟委員報告我們當然有把這個事情跟教育部說明那因為預算的這個編列上是在教育部的這個全署範圍內那事實上我們持續的對包括越南胡志明市那個對泰國的泰國沒有馬來西亞的吉隆坡 |
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還有在雅加達 印尼雅加達跟釋水總共這四個這個台灣學校呢確實是當時設立的時候是一半教育部一半僑委會來出資協助他們設立那我們也提供各種的我目前教育部的態度是怎麼樣我沒有要求把中國那塊降下來嘛 |
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我們也無法要求中國的不是 那一塊是我們補助的喔是我們補助我們的台籍學生的學雜費補助嘛我現在只是說我們應該是一視同仁在東南亞的台灣孩子跟在中國的台灣孩子我們應該要公平嘛現在差了三倍啊 |
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我的了解是這一塊可能還是要看教育部自己的執行預算但是我們有跟他們表達過可能要強烈表達啦好那這就是所謂的跨部會的情形那我也會尋管到看透過鄭麗君副院長或者相關情形我就真的要解決 |
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這不解決我認為對在海外努力幫台灣辦學的人我覺得不公允好第二個我要請教最近有個題目說台灣會變學工之島這個題目很嚇人因為學工之島其實我們就違反聯合國很多東西喔是那我們這邊也關注過 |
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我們鼓勵外國的人來台灣讀書僑生來台灣讀書當然不能變成打黑工甚至於更慘變奴工護照被扣著之前發生過嘛那樣的奴工化其實是違反國際的所有的普世法則聯合國的公約所以 |
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我們看我們現在3加4的方案3年就高中嘛4年就大學嘛我們對於就讀高中這個3有沒有年齡的限制還是說他只有國中學歷他就讀3還是說我要限18歲以下 |
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委員我們現在是這樣子我們三家四主要的聲援國來自於東協國家主要七個那這七個國家呢各自的法規有一些不一樣像越南泰國馬來西亞柬埔寨 |
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他們就沒有規範到那麼嚴格說未成年者不得出國可是在菲律賓跟印尼他們對於未成年者要出國就設定不是說不能出國就設定比較嚴的門檻你很誤會我的意思我們這一塊我知道他在讀我們的高中 |
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會不會有成年人基本上我們現在是這樣子年齡喔就是三加四的部分是從16歲到22歲都可以都可以所以他可以讀高中對可以讀大學對所以我們可能會發現一個21歲的在台灣讀高中 |
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是的沒有錯沒有錯確實你不覺得這怪怪的嗎我們有算過這個lifestyle就是說因為他們的這個學制跟他們學習的內容可能跟我們台灣相對有一些落後的部分我們這個預算是花我們國家的是所以你要站在說我們鼓勵海外的這些僑生來台灣讀書我當然樂見而且有補助 |
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委員我們其實已經限縮了之前的門檻更寬所以我們現在把它縮到說16歲到22歲縮小就代表問題不用檢討所以我剛才講的像你們提供的資料3加4畢業率不到4成 |
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各位有人報告那時候前幾年我們確實在103年、104年、105年那幾年當中開始試辦這個計畫的時候沒有任何配套措施然後當時是試辦計畫所以人數也很少那所以流失率也就很高那那段時間從他們不讀了就回他們母國對沒錯他只要一不讀書 |
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他馬上就會取消他的簽證他就馬上離開畢業率不到四成畢業率不到四成不是馬上聯想到他就不讀了有可能我高中三年當作六年來讀啊不可能不可能延畢不行嗎不行不行在我們的計畫不行不行不行在我們的計畫裡面在我們這個三家市不行我們這個跟一般的一般生的狀況是不一樣所以他必須按照這個進度來他是學衛生嘛 |
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他是他有學位但是他必須按照我們三加四的時間他甚至連休學都不可以喔他一休學就馬上休學就回國了請假也不行我說三年制他必須三年念完他必須三年不能延避一年不可以 |
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大學的時候可以,但是他延畢的時候他不能實習了延畢的話你們補助也沒有了嗎?沒有了,而且跟委員報告,其實我們3加4的補助只有補助在前三年後面都沒有補助了,所以大學端的部分,那個是他自己自付學費的所以他如果要拖得久給他拖,我也沒意見那現在畢業率不到四成其實很低 |
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我就是跟委員講其實雖然那時候不到四成可是真的有讀完七年的人他留台率很高 |
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這有十個來 畢業的有三個但是這三個都留下來了兩個半或三個都留下來了你再研究這塊 再研究那六個嘛那六個就是因為我研究了前面為什麼它要流失所以我現在是改善畢業率不到四成 這個很低確實很低我們台灣在我們的教育裡面不是這樣的數據 |
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你們找到原因了沒有然後你們期待今年明年的畢業率到多少有 早期就是因為整個配套措施都沒有也沒有在考察這個學生的學習力實習的狀況那語言的狀況也都沒有跟進所以我們這三年來 |
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開始持續的強化包括學校的住宿、教學、語言、實習的狀況我們都一項一項開始把它鎖緊那希望說他們可以一年級讀到三年級所以未來的畢業率會是我們審核學校他能不能繼續增加學生人數的一個評鑑今年的畢業季五月嘛對我們的畢業率會拉起來嗎我相信會會到多少你們的目標值是多少 |
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過去因為只有三到四成因為以前很低啊 基期很低基期很低 基期很低你很容易進步啦所以現在說以往畢業率不到四成你們估計今年的畢業率今年要畢業的學生也只有幾百個而已大概是六七百個因為算比例所以應該入學如果七百個 畢業六百多個 那很高現在應該會有五成左右你認為會到五成嗎其實還是偏低 這還是要精進但是我相信未來三年以後都會往上繼續走提醒這個事情就是說 |
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如果從東南亞來的所謂的僑生來我們這邊讀三加四畢業率不到四成第一個會形成我們的投資浪費我每花十塊錢有六塊呢根本就沒有了每花十塊錢人民的納稅人的錢有六塊就浪費了這個我們不容許 |
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這個投報率太低第二個會有變相移工的風險你們管理上會形成很大的困難當然我們一直在要說委員當時大概不太會有是因為當時的規模很小都是數百人而已都還不到上千數字的敏感性高一個他占比較高嘛你現在量大了嘛花了40來億嘛但是我們還是要monitor我們還是要監控這個數據現在我們就很重視這個就是說 |
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有移工的風險有投資的浪費我們就不能長期容忍我們的公共投資我們當然鼓勵台灣是一個開放國家海外僑生來台灣讀書百分之一百歡迎在略略率在四成以下五成左右那這樣子形成我們投資的浪費可能在做法上要更更嚴謹去思考那這個數據我會持續觀察好謝謝委員我們一定會讓稅金做最好的運用謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王委員現在請黃媛委員上台質詢有請委員長請委員長 謝謝黃教委早安 |
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有關於喬教的政策推動推廣我想這是你們喬委會最重要的工作之一尤其是近兩年來兩岸爭奪華人世界的代表性 |
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喬教如何做得好可以強化對中華民國的認同感同時也有利於世界對我們的認同本席首先請教一下委員長 |
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橋委會有自編華語學習的教材以提供各地橋校的運用教材的種類有寫華語向前走、新橋教雙周攤、全球華文網、華語文教應學 |
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教學應用手冊和文化的教材那以上這些系列的教材提供橋校標準化的內容但各地學習的環境差異各地的學習差異 |
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要如何因應各國不同的華語語文教語文教育需求以提供客製化的教材讓教這個喬教學生更好融入華語文學的學習的環境那本是建議喬委會的資源有限要完善的教材客製化有相當的難度那但可以加強以喬校教師的雙向的互動 |
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以提供橋校教師依標準化的教材客製化符合各地環境的補充教材的方向同時也鼓勵橋校教師向橋委會提供教協的反饋以立自編教材內容以 |
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當地的併進若喬校教師自行編出列出優良的客製化教材喬委會是否能提供更好的獎勵以鼓勵更多教師投入的編寫的教材因為這是本席的建議但是我不知道妳的看法是什麼樣妳提供一下好不好 |
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好 謝謝黃委員的這個問題我們事實上雖然有僑委會自編的教材但是我們基本上是尊重全球各地的教學現場所以他們在每一年都會先預先為下一年的教材呢做出一個問卷調查讓他們自己填寫他們想要什麼樣的教材所以有一些他們想要買國內台灣的這些商業出版的教材我們也可以補助 |
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那如果要用我們僑委會的自編教材我們也免費贈送那如果是要自編教材的我們當然予以鼓勵但是自編教材的那個成本因為很高所以確實過去曾經有人來跟我們提過但是我們沒有辦法僅為特定的一個區做那個教材的這個編審的預算 |
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因為那個佔我們整體的預算會變得非常龐大所以這一塊我們都鼓勵他們自己做但是要我們再support這個基本上我們是比較難我們基本上補助的都是已經編輯好的這些印刷好的這些資料然後才補助他們 |
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這個是我們可以做得到了那因為僑委會的預算規模是真的很小所以過去曾經有我們就鼓勵他說那這樣子的話是不是也可以跟我們的全球華文網做一個連結事實上我們是走在 |
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各個橋區的前面所以如果真的有編的比我們好的我們一定會去向他們取經那甚至把他們的東西來納入那這樣子的話就是說那個成本我們大概就是可以來幫忙吸收然後再給其他的地方也可以來分享使用有些地方硬地質疑環境的因素 |
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我們針對各國你們編的客製化裡面當然也因應地方的一些如果教材更好的話是不是也納入作為你們的客製化的一些教材跟委員報告像我們以泰國來說我們就有特別針對小學的部分有泰文泰國版的然後初中的華文也特別有為泰國編初中版的那所以這些都是有因地制宜因為像因為 |
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泰國它有潑水節啦它有這個特別這個孤軍泰北孤軍的這些歷史嘛所以在這些教材裡面我們都會把當地的文化跟它的歷史特性加入這個教材的素元素當中所以事實上我們都有顧慮到各地在發展的時候那因為我們泰北地區的橋校數量算不少將近快100間所以我們願意為他們統編一套這樣子的教材來運作 |
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那如果是在歐美國家 美國 北美洲 我們也可以同頭的在做可是他們可以自己選不同版本他想要選康宣版 我們就讓他選康宣版他想要選那個南伊版 我們就讓他選南伊版他要選喬維惠版 我就讓他選喬維惠版本席去年特別是有到太平去聊一下他們各校各校的這些需求我想你們從這個方面去努力 好不好 |
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好的那有關於橋商輔導與產業連結那沈昭偉在這個這個座山安排國防報告四年期國防總體驗本席發現這一次的四年期國防總體驗有一個明顯的特色就是特色強調全民民主供應鏈的連結所以在 |
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民主供應鏈的內涵是什麼在強化台灣與海外僑商的產業鏈的連結促進雙方互惠合作上有辦法配合國防總體驗的方向嗎你來提一下 |
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跟委員報告事實上我們真的都在與時俱進中所以都有關注重大的政策發展方向那所以本會除了我們自己的同仁都要定期做一些專業的培訓以外我們也擴大針對橋團橋校也都有提供類似的這些課程如果他們有興趣來參與我們都會讓他們參與這些培訓那除此之外我們也會在第一時間把最新的一些資訊透過我們的官網 |
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我們現在講的是第一個有辦法配合國防總體驗的方向嗎現在這個是有一點空洞的感覺委員這個當然我們是最下游的單位就是說今天如果國防部的全民動員署他要我們配合做什麼我們就會去事先先預防 |
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的準備就是說盤點我們到底有什麼量能比方說我們在國內我們大概有4萬的僑生對不對那4萬名僑生他們在這個特殊的緊急狀況比方說地震發生或者是大淹水的時候我們都是怎麼樣第一時間就去盤點包括在當地學校的一些情形 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
所以這個資料我們平常就在準備那抑或是在海外的僑團我們現在也是一樣的就是都平時有做這些訓練課程強化他們的這個防災意識然後韌性增加那必要時候怎麼樣做整體動員的部分這個我們現在也開始在做模擬訓練中 |
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我們會透過各種會議當中來安排比方說一年一度我們就有僑務委員會議那僑務委員會議來自全球180個僑務委員他們返國的時候我們也會安排這些相關的課程那他每一個人就是一個總指教官他回到他的這個僑區他就要帶他當地的僑團去進行相關的這些串聯的 |
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所以其中最能夠與國防總體院掛鉤的大概是無人機產業的邀訪團既然四年期國防總體院是賴總統未來四年國防政策的核心概念僑委會應該鼓勵僑台商在國防產業全球的供應鏈上投注更多的資源這方面僑委會有什麼樣的想法跟作為 |
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謝謝委員的這個提問我確實在這兩年呢從去年到今年每到每一個僑區我們都會做僑務座談那僑務座談的報告當中呢我都會特別提醒這一點就是說在全球這個趨勢的變化下安全已經是一個非常重要的議題所以鼓勵大家可以投資在除了說AI啦半導體啦資通訊以外那麼軍工產業這一塊 |
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其實我們是做很多的產業鏈的搭配那所以這個產業鏈搭配的過程當中的這個投資也是鼓勵橋台商可以踴躍來投資都關注橋台商因為現在的動盪不安所以以橋台商來講也動盪不安所以我們也給他們一個更具的信心 好不好好的 謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝黃委員現在請林曙英委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請徐嘉欣委員長有請委員長林委員早安 |
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委員長好我想接下來會期的開始不容易因為從總預算被刪減的狀況來看我們面對的是中國在全球的橋界可以說過去他們其實就是資本很雄厚那麼所謂拉攏 |
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當然我們的所有僑界朋友其實是一個他們的主力尤其是從您的報告當中就看得非常的明白跟清楚從這個總預算的狀況來看的話我想其實刪減總預算到最後都不是教訓到 |
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行政單位其實都是我們這些民眾或僑民其實受到損害比如說像這個媒體政策宣傳費被刪了400萬那麼還有國外的旅費也被刪了大概400多萬我想對比其他的單位都是幾百萬幾百萬聽起來不多但是其實因為僑委會本身的預算也就不高 |
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3月24號21號到24號我們知道在這個美國休士頓世界台商會的台商總會要交接了請問委員長會出席嗎這一場是第二次禮監事會我也會去特別參與那我知道我們外委會也有組團是沒錯可是現在從這個國外旅費就刪了400多萬所以您出國的費用是從這裡 |
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跟委員報告我去年知道這個預算審查的狀況也本來在委員會很好可是到了這個二讀會以後我就發現這個趨勢不是很理想以後我從今年1月開始我們都有跟同仁說如果可以做經濟艙就不做商務艙那在5小時以下不用過夜的狀況我們盡量這樣安排甚至連廉價航空我也做 |
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這個委員長以身作則希望在提升所謂的僑務的同時能夠不要面對我盡量不要犧牲到我們的僑務的各項活動所以我們在這樣子有限的資源之下但是我跟委員報告我們真的包括像旅費這件事情 |
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我們就已經頭很痛了國內旅費本來就不多然後現在統三二十趴事實上這對我們已經造成非常嚴重的影響就是我們全國都到處有僑生我們要去視察那單單是這一些我們要到中南部東部去的時候我們現在每一個畜生家都頭都在燒就是說這個費用又不能留用那到時候這些 |
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國內旅費我們到底怎麼辦所以我們現在都開始說如果只能去一個就不要去兩個就是盡量大家把業務甚至跨處式的要整併在一起變成僑生處的人要同時執行僑民處的或者僑商處的業務或僑商處的要同時執行僑民處的業務那這個就會造成我們在分工上確實很大的困擾因為為了我們降低我們的這個旅費 |
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好 所以說我相信各部會其實像喬委會現在講得非常清楚這個就是整體的所謂預算該刪就刪但是刪成這樣的時候所引發的困難但是我們該做的事情或者是就像報告所想的中國運用各種方式在做滲透你這邊有特別提到的比如說像連英文名字到底是這個所謂的Spring Festival到底是Luna |
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New Year還是Chinese New Year這種他們都可以來做文章另外甚至於還發送暖心包其實我想問暖心包裡面有什麼喬委會有沒有去看到過我們是有去問啦但是大概他們就是講不外都是一些春節的應景的東西而已那所以 |
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小東西我們就是觀察也沒有特別去跟他們做太多的文章但是這些小東西積少成多其實這個都是預算在裡面對不對所以中國大撒幣他們喜歡大撒幣那對我們來說我們預算是量入為出所以今年對我們來說會是一個真的很有感的一年我在最近這兩個月當中只要遇到僑團我都已經跟他們預告說要先跟你們抱歉了 |
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今年我們的補助可能不但不能像去年一樣可能還要略減所以拜託大家辦活動的時候盡量大家可以整合合作在一起提高這個效率 |
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好 所以妳就看到嘛 妳在報告也寫到嘛中國領事館人員是春節的時候密集拜會傳統橋設並致贈春節禮金紅包啊 一方面中國在給紅包結果剛剛徐委員長說不好意思藍白聯手把我們的總預算刪減了 尤其是像這種 |
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業務費要用統三的出差旅費連人都到不了人家是到傳統橋社裡面親自拜訪還給紅包我覺得你們的考驗跟壓力非常大是 我們過去到傳統橋社去或者是中青會去我們也都會添一些香油錢固然是不多但是隨著我們整體的這個預算包括業務費被統三這確實會對我們產生一些影響本來包500可能現在只能包 |
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這個450類似像這樣子那個量入為出所以我覺得這個部分恐怕也只能請委員長跟喬文惠碩的同仁真的這個他們在打金錢牌啊我們的人情牌網絡牌可能就要更發揮當然也需要靠我們在第一線在國外的這些所謂的喬商 |
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朋友或者是橋梢同胞們一起來協助因為中國的打壓其實是非常的多包括去年其實像我們出席這個亞洲台商總會的時候就有發生這個一些狀況包括名牌不見了然後不能唱國歌等等其實現在的滲透非常的多但是這些滲透它其實傳達的都是一種 |
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對於國家認同主權認同之爭本席其實有聽到一個訊息當然陸委會最新的報告也出來了就是中國目前他會打著抗爭所謂抗戰勝利光復80週年 |
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為他們今年所訴求的主題要形塑所謂兩岸同屬一中而本席在這幾次出國跟僑界他們在溝通跟交流的時候我不知道僑委會有沒有聽到這樣的一個訊息就是現在我們已經來到三月即將四月也就是半年之後的國慶其實現在慢慢也要開始舉辦了傳統的僑界跟現在我們的所謂的 |
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台橋朋友之間開始要準備國慶的同時不知道委員長有沒有聽到一個聲音是居然要把抗戰勝利80年這樣的一個主題跟我們的國慶綁在一起 |
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確實是有的其實這個做法在過去幾年中共的統戰過程當中他們一直企圖要把這個過去的歷史重新解釋那今年當然是二戰中戰的八十週年紀念沒有錯所以他們企圖在國際輿論上要製造一個說這個中戰他是戰勝國可是事實上當時連中共都中華人民 |
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共和國都還沒成立他們只有成立70年所以單單這個建國才70年怎麼可能去打80年的戰爭就打到他們自己的耳光了所以我們只要把清楚的歷史的史實資料做清楚的呈現當然我們也一樣要預防就像他們過去一直在搶國父孫中山先生的這個陣統一樣所以我們對於這種統戰的伎倆跟守法一直都保持高度的警戒 |
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因為時間有限本期只是提醒因為現在要錢我們沒有辦活動的錢比不贏中國要宣傳整體的宣傳費也被藍白聯手現在砍掉了所以剛剛您的清楚論述如何正確的傳達給僑界如何讓僑界在辦活動或者尤其是像國慶這種慶祝活動的時候在整體的 |
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所謂主權國家意識當中可以清楚的傳達可能就要考驗徐委員長跟所有我們僑委會同仁的智慧了謝謝委員提供的這個建議跟資訊好我們會加油謝謝謝謝林委員那現在有請陳冠廷委員上台質詢 |
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你好我們請委員長謝謝委員長謝謝陳委員你好委員長好委員長我們先看一下我們的這個簡報好這一個 |
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今天的質詢重點其實是針對台灣我們這個名稱還有這個海外台灣人的很多正名運動來帶來的影響跟委員長討論特別是憲法第141條跟第151條中針對僑民跟僑居國外的國民的官方翻譯的問題這個 |
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委員長現在僑委會的英文名稱全稱是什麼我們叫做Overseas Community Affairs Council對那其實它經過兩次的一個變更嘛對2006年的時候先把這個Overseas Chinese Affairs先改掉那2012年的時候配合行政院的組織再造那我們就改成是用Community就是小型的這樣子的名稱嘛那這個名稱 |
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中信而且也是完全符合就是百分之百吻合這個音譯直譯意義都是直接是吻合的對可是現在在我們總統府跟全國法規資料庫的網站上面那將現場中的僑民跟僑居國外的國民那還是一律翻成是用 |
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Chinese citizens那這樣子的翻譯方式我是覺得沒有辦法忠實的反映原文的意涵那這個跟憲法我們憲法上面是寫僑名嘛它沒有寫中華民國國民或者是中國國民或者是任何一個國民把這個國民的名稱把它寫上去而是用中憲的這個說法是用僑名嘛那所以除了憲法之外我們還有法務部內政部 |
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陸委會外交部 經濟部 國防部 勞動部 交通部經管會 國科會 央行全部都還是將僑民翻譯成這個Overseas Chinese這個部分是 |
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那我想請問一下這個委員長你怎麼看這個部分你覺得委員你實在非常掌握最新的脈動這個問題我很願意詳細的來跟您說明詳細跟全國民眾來說明一下這個我確實有注意到其他 |
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僑委會以外的部會包括總統府的一些這個英文的資料文件所呈現出來的用詞那也剛好在兩個月前我們在海外有一個僑民投書也提到說僑委會都已經把各種的這種Chinese的這種用詞正名為就是Overseas compatriots |
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或者Overseas Community這樣的中性的名詞那為什麼還是國內有部分的這個部會沒有辦法跟進那這個投書當然我第一時間看到以後我有立即的把它傳給總統府的這個秘書室請他們去研議那也跟委員報告總統府也很快的就交辦了我們行政院的這個 |
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民心政委所以我們在兩個禮拜前確實就召集跨部會的包括有法務部、國防部、外交部、教育部等等相關部會有開一個會議就是針對因應的這些名詞怎麼樣做一個整體性的改善那我們也有提供我們僑委會的一些範例供大家做討論 |
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那一次的討論當中有還不錯的這個正向結果就是大家也都認同說我們只要中性的翻譯陳述就好並不需要加諸任何的這一種意識形態在裡面就像我們剛剛在提這個Spring Festival是叫春節但是農曆年叫做Lunar New Year |
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這個跟Chinese New Year是根本兩回事所以我是忠實於做translate翻譯的概念而已我並不帶著意識形態所以我這兩年一直鼓勵我們僑界說大家都用英文一定要講求精確不要帶有被中國洗腦的意識形態在裡面所以逐漸的我們這幾年確實僑界有把這種狀況改變 |
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百變過來那本會呢各種出版品我們也逐漸在檢視就是還有沒有這樣子的情況存在我們就一一的把它修正就是Overseas Community可以講解了我們就寫Overseas Compatriots我們就不會再寫什麼Chinese這樣子的字眼了 |
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非常樂見其成 我覺得這是我們諮詢的目的 也就是希望說能夠在因應上面能夠更忠實的把我們的這些法律上的條文也好或者是說網站上面的這一些注釋也好 都是很清楚清晰的讓國外來閱覽我們網站 閱覽我們的這些文件的時候不會有產生誤解的狀況 |
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很高興兩個禮拜前就已經有開始有這樣的做法是希望說能夠但是也謝謝陳委員幫我們這個提醒讓我們有機會做這個說明謝謝那另外就是日本的日本政府其實上個月他月中也是允許台灣人在戶籍登記的時候用台灣而非中國那就是延續我們剛才的話題是那其實像是一些 |
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歐洲國家不見得全面性的了解我們的狀況所以有些時候我們在跟丹麥爭取國際這個標記證明的運動的時候還是會受阻受阻的原因有時候說你們自己你們僑民的因應就用這樣子的說法為什麼一定要求我們戶籍要改另外一個名稱所以這也是為了我們所有的不管是一般民眾或者是這一個民團 |
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或者是我們的國際的NGO在替我們在爭取的時候能夠有這樣子的做法是 我們在涉外的文件的時候一定尤其要注意翻譯成外文的時候不管它是英文 法文或德文我們都會謹記這種概念盡量地用中性的表述 |
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另外一個部分我還是我就直接先有看到有這樣子的做法我們當然就覺得這是一個很正面的回饋但是我們很謝謝像日本我們很多僑民一直協助所以今年的5月23號開始就全面只要是來自台灣出生的或者來自台灣的民眾他都可以改變那個國籍及地區欄從中國改為台灣 |
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好非常好那我希望說更加主動那跟其他的歐洲國家還有繼續來協助我們當地要證明的這些朋友們另外一個部分是跟我們的選區我們嘉義就有一點關係就是增加橋商跟國內供應鏈的連結這個委員長你知道我們嘉義即將有設立這個民雄的無人機無人機的航太園區 |
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那作為我們台灣它是未來就是台灣發展國防民用無人機的這個重要的基地請問會有沒有一些機制來協助海外的橋商跟這個產業對接去年由這個嘉義縣的縣長也曾經帶了一團無人機的這個業者 |
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去美國做這個巡迴的交流也相當的成功然後就去年的九月那這個航太無人機的邀訪團呢今年我們也會持續的辦理讓海外有興趣的這些橋台商可以回來台灣然後我們會讓他在台灣的這些無人機的產業鏈裡面 |
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去進行交流 參訪跟會議然後也會持續希望大家能夠投資或者變成是一個橋樑可以引薦到海外去讓這個市場可以擴大那這部分呢我們從去年開始就有陸續在做相關的配套工作好 繼續努力謝謝 謝謝陳委員好 謝謝陳委員 |
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我們請沈博洋委員好 謝謝主席 有請委員長有請委員長 |
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陳委員你好委員長早因為一開始我先想說畢竟這一整年要推動很多的業務還是跟預算有關我知道僑委會有一些是大部分是統山的部分所影響但是也有一些個別的凍結目前來講統山的這些部分對僑委會未來的運作的影響大概是什麼 |
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跟委員報告其實我們在一二月的時候我們就已經面臨一個很尷尬的處境因為我們六大官網從一月一號就要開始重新營運的這個相關作為那事實上我們都在去年都已經開標了那開完標以後結果我們的預算被這個刪減了四百多萬那我們已經開標到超過這個額數了所以當時我就有點 |
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嚇到說不知道這樣子我今年要怎麼執行這個預算會有可能有差一兩百萬的這個缺口那所以這個確實是我們現在很大的一個困難那除此之外包括這個出國旅費還有業務費 |
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也是有同樣的影響委員們都很關心我們在僑生的業務上如何去落實跟精進幫助學生在學習或者實習以及畢業之後的就業可是又把我們的國內旅費砍成這樣讓我們就沒有連要去查看這些學校的機率都要大幅下降人數也要縮減那這某個程度說起來是 |
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變成讓我們的這個督察機制會減弱所以我們又不得留用的狀況之下我們現在是確實頭很痛這個都是很現實的狀況然後一般業務費是我們有些已經本來預計要給 |
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海外的這個喬教中心或者是僱員做一定的這個設備的改善的結果因為這樣子不但沒有增加還又砍了10%所以這些也被迫今年可能都又要暫停了對 因為我覺得對喬委會來講這個國內外的旅費應該都很重要不然剛剛講的其實國內你要去看這些學校等等之類的 |
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那我現在比較擔心的當然就是剛剛前面講的其實本來有一些約已經簽了嘛或者說你已經要做採購的動作那這個其實照理說本來在委員會大家互相討論一定是可以提出來的那太多的這個統山還有一些凍結它是在委員會之後才提出來所以就會造成這樣的問題但我看到凍結的部分也有跟這一個這個海外的僑生是有關係的那我們也只能趕快盡快來安排這個解凍啦不然的話我看僑委會這樣很難運作 |
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我們如果這個解凍案沒有在今年五六月就完成的話那勢必會造成我們下一半年在執行上面對很大的挑戰那學生如果真的進來了那你該補助的沒有補助到位我們也會變成學校都會一直去跟委員陳情然後我們就會很困擾所以不是我們不想付這個錢而是因為解凍案還沒有通過現在這真的是麻煩的地方就是說剛剛聽到前面很多委員其實關心很多事項但這些事項都需要預算執行我覺得這是最困擾的地方 |
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那我想問一下因為剛剛這一個我記得是儲殷委員也有問所以我這個稍微快一點就是說因為賴總統在前陣子有這一個記者會他的談話裡面有這個17項措施他裡面有幾個措施看起來跟僑委會是有關的比如說這一個你跟有盟國家合作那有盟國家合作其實跟我們的僑民能不能夠生根能不能夠跟他們做一些遊說這是有關係的然後全球的佈局這跟他們的投資也有關係那最重要的我覺得是最後一個 |
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就是我們對中國的這個嗜讀教育我看到這個的時候其實我就記得我們去年在質詢僑委會的時候就已經講過就是說怎麼對海外去宣導他們現在對中國的認識那這個其實回過頭來到國內其實僑委會這個部分是不是應該可以複製讓國內的學校也可以能夠針對我們的青年學子做這樣的一些這個宣導 |
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是 事實上強化學生年輕朋友的嗜讀能力我覺得這件事情很重要不單單只有在對國家認同或者是中國統戰的部分事實上因為全球的假訊息fake news等等的威脅也非常的嚴峻所以如何提高判斷能力嗜讀能力這件事情我覺得是我們公民教育裡面真的是刻不容緩的 |
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那所以我們在平時除了對我們僑團做這些這個相關的課程研究以外我們也逐步會想辦法把它在教材的補充裡面也把某些例子融入進去希望能夠引起他們的討論那尤其是在比較民主自由的國家裡面這樣子的威脅挑戰是需要大家全部的年輕朋友都一起提升才有辦法 |
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那我們也願意分享我們的經驗來國內所以國內的部分我們包括僑生進來我們現在的新生手冊當然都是跟他們權益比較相關的但未來如果有需求我們也會強化在這一部分來提供一些遇到假訊息 錯假訊息要怎麼來處理跟面對的SOP作業事實上我們現在已經開辦了一個專線電話的專線是七語的 |
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然後也有這個email的這個帳號是他們可以投書來呈現一些問題那一旦有我們就會馬上去把這個案例擴大去做宣導 |
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因為我記得我們在去年的時候就有講過就是說我們在海外尤其像認知作戰等等之類的其實我還沒有進來之前就有跟僑委會討論過這一個課程那當然說第一個課程的設計是重要的那第二個就是網站我們那時候有提到說其實網站應該更多即時的更新讓這一個海外他們也可以去認知到說比如說中國在海外做什麼操作但是剛剛這樣聽起來光是海外網站的建置現在預算可能都會出現一些問題 |
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是確實很有影響然後再來就是外交部因為畢竟外交部現在海外的這些宣導的費用現在是被砍成副的所以基本上是沒有辦法運作那就只能靠僑委會看能不能在這個總預算現在還沒有恢復之前能不能做一些補足因為畢竟跟外交部就像兩隻腳一樣如果僑委會這麼能夠雖然我知道僑委會現在也是很困難但是如果能夠協助的話對外交部應該會是一個很大的幫助 |
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比較外交部的國傳司全部砍除變複數我們算相對的幸運但即便是這樣也是困難我們會在這個困難當中因為預算也積極很低所以我們六大官網我們還是會努力來經營想盡辦法用最精準的方式快速的方式來達到這個目標 |
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對 算是幸運啦不過我看他們當時可能也只是忘記砍而已所以我真的不知道為什麼會這個樣子但是很亂七八糟那再來就是這個統戰的部分因為之前我問過比較多我想問這一個台商這個我先跳過就是這個天下雜誌的報導剛剛其實有蠻多委員問到的 |
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那我這個可能想請這個委員長再說一下就是說呢這個仲介目前來講它的確是個嚴重的問題嘛那目前我們能夠譬如說逮到它的這個機制是什麼是有人回報嗎還是我們主動查核呢等等之類是用什麼樣的機制還是說跟其他的部會合作因為對我們來講我們知道這是問題嘛但是要怎麼去揪到這個問題現在執行的狀況是什麼 |
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跟委員說明在學生還沒有正式辦簽證進來以前事實上我們在海外的派駐點都有我們的僑秘書他們是會進行第一波的interview的所以他們會去抽查那抽查在問這些學生的基本問題的時候就可以找到一些症狀 |
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就是說這一批整個是從哪一個系統進來的那從這裡面去跟他問多問幾個學生以後就會發現說他們學生有些他沒有特別的心防他會知道他會忠實交代他交了多少錢什麼什麼什麼那我們就會開始掌握那如果這一批全部是這樣的話我們就高度懷疑他就是仲介的出力那整批我們就不給他進來了事實上從去年開始我們就已經開始落實這樣的做法那因此當然這個凡有利可圖仲介必達 |
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所以我們當然也得罪了一些仲介所以有些仲介已經想辦法說我的壞話說造謠的狀況非常非常的嚴峻投訴到總統府行政院外交部各種管道的都有不過還好我們國家有我們調查的機制這些最後都被歸檔而已因為都不是事實甚至有跑到我們的代表處去鬧事的 |
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那進來以後事實上學生他們還是有一些人可能當時沒有抓到的因為我剛剛講的說我們有一個專線那這專線學生他可以隨時打電話來跟我們做通報或者是我們也會不定期去跟學校做抽查的時候會找學生來座談跟詢問所以一旦我們問到說你為什麼要特別轉校 |
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我們就會掌握某些脈絡我們就開始會循線去調查所以過去兩年我們確實是已經把某些東西鎖死了但是不排除有很多新型態會持續的發生所以我們AWS必須要保持一個很謹慎的態度來觀察這些這個 |
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可能的違法情勢不過現在護照跟拘留證這件事情已經在去年11月12月被我們全部矯正了所以現在大概沒有人敢把學生的個人文件扣留了因為時間的關係我現在想說剛剛前面我重整一下第一個是前面有一個面談的機制就是說他就算來到台灣之後也會有專線所以也會有訪查 |
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那但我相信這種事情可能會越來越嚴重因為我們的移工啊等等之類講到說這方面的問題嘛一些仲介的問題所以如果在這個之後呢他在執法上或者在查緝上的量能不足的話有可能僑委會還是要提早說 |
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有 而且我們也定期跟勞動部保持密切的聯繫有些相關的情勢我們也會通報給勞動部然後也會通報給教育部 也會通報給外交部畢竟這個裡面還有包括他們簽證的問題還有他們一旦喪失這些學生的資格的時候我們發現立即通報移民署就會馬上遞解出境謝謝委員長 謝謝 |
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好 我們現在請林益君委員上台質詢有請委員長林委員你好 |
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委員長好我們也知道0403花蓮地震其實本市一直都是想要振興花東的災後的觀光的產業其實對這個東西我覺得是我其實是相當的憂心所以也是一直在努力的協助所以我有一些問題想要請教一下委員長請問委員長橋委會目前是不是有針對橋包回台觀光旅遊這是不是有一個哀橋卡 |
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我們愛僑卡並不是說單純為僑胞的返國旅遊這愛僑卡是比較早以前從2017年那時候叫做認同卡那僑胞認同卡當時的功能性比較不是只有在精神層面的比較不是實務層面但是到2021年我們開始把它變成是從實體卡轉為數位卡 |
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之後我們開始大量的增加各種功能性的提升包括增加這個所謂的優惠措施就是有特約商店那現在國內跟海外的特約商店有超過4000家好那我再請教一下就是說那目前愛喬卡在花蓮和台東的特約的商店各有多少家請問委員長知道嗎花蓮台東 |
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宜蘭應該這樣講就是整個東台灣的這個家宿目前的這個大概有將近100家應該這樣講花蓮64家台東31家然後如果加上宜蘭的話大概有150家 |
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但是我這邊的資料看起來是花蓮只有27家台東只有20家那我再請問一下就是說這些店家如何申請才可以取得愛喬卡的特約商店的情況呢我們可以在網站上我們有加入特約商店的一些SOP作業那如果他有興趣我們就會給他發一個這個標章 |
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它這個貼紙可以貼在它自己的店的門口我們會把它納入我們的網站那同時我們也會去巡查就是說那你要提供什麼樣的優惠措施有些這個等於說我們再多幫它增加一條管道來去做行銷嘛 |
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那有一些僑胞回來的時候總是想要買一些小禮品或者是飲食食品想要帶出去的那這個部分有愛僑卡的運用會多少增加一些幫助打個九五折九折等等的或者送什麼產品這個都會有一定的幫助所以我們是歡迎花東地區能夠增加因為我現在看我們以花蓮市大部分是以觀光為主 |
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但是愛喬卡如果照這樣如果是像我剛才所說的27家太少我們就要找出這樣的問題這樣的問題是不是主動申請的人太少有的那個27家可能是舊的資料我們最新的是64家了但是64家還是少嘛所以我們今天就是說是主動的申請的少呢還是因為審核我們都沒有辦法過呢基本上他們是可以主動來跟我們說要申請的 |
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我們基本上我們審核的標準也都不會太高所以幾乎沒有拒絕的除非他不能提供任何優惠他如果不提供任何優惠當然就沒辦法參加我們的愛喬卡特約商店那你可以像累積到現在花蓮和台東提出來的申請愛喬卡特約數量有多少到時候可以目前是95家就是花蓮64然後通過的話是60家這樣就對了不是不是 |
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已經通過的就已經是95家了在花蓮是64在台東是31那如果再加上宜蘭的話那就更多那100多那我們是歡迎所有的花蓮可能我想東部地區可能比較少店家知道我們有這個愛橋卡啦 |
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那可能你就要宣傳嘛對不對因為我們通常是對外宣傳比較少對國內宣傳不過國內的知名企業他們都知道來加入我們這個系統所以像義美啦或者是這個阿壽皮茄啦新東洋啦這些知名企業其實我們也有主動去跟他們這個洽那他們也都很願意加入我們這個他們有勸的都很願意加入我們的系統 |
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好我現在還有看到一個就是僑委會113年也你們也跟34家旅行業者合作然後規劃全台各地的人文的特色和觀光的亮點總共有162條的旅遊路線但是我仔細看了一下去年的僑委會雖然有補助了162條路線但是實際上我們花東地區有關這樣的路線只有10條而已而且占不到兩成那委員長你覺得這樣是不是很偏心呢是不是太少呢 |
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我們沒有偏心啦因為這些路線都是業者自己自行規劃提出的而且去年我們還特別針對花東區因為在403的大地震以後鼓勵僑胞可以繼續來花東地區旅遊我們把補助金額從3000提高到3600其他區都維持3000只有花東我們再多增加600 |
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可是因為去年的狀況還不是很好所以即便增加了多600塊的補助誘因不是那麼強那委員長你有沒有想過為什麼會成效不佳像剛才我們講到最後就是說成效不佳嘛是不是我們是應該是讓僑胞有比較多選擇的項目呢去加強呢就是像讓他們申請就是店家都來申請嘛然後還是說我們這個規劃的路線太少了呢所以有10條啊所以這個誘因不高所以大家就不會想要去我想跟 |
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跟這個路線的多少不是重點主要是去年的結構是花東地區的那個地震還是很頻繁那還有就是說交通的需求 |
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會影響到僑胞他們回來的這個旅遊意願那畢竟僑胞回來時間有限嘛所以他一定要妥善的去安排如果花東如果臨時有什麼取消班次啦或者是取消車班的情況他們就會擔心因此這個也會降低一些意願我想我們會持續照委員的建議來強化多提高我們在花東區的特約商店那今年我們照道理因為 |
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403的這個地震告一段落我們是不是要持續要補助但是我也同意委員說要鼓勵花東的旅遊所以今年的慶典當中10月份我們對於僑胞的這個旅行我們仍然願意給花東區比較高的補助 |
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因為現在已經三月份了嘛再過半年雙十國慶就要來了嘛然後到時候會有大量的僑胞回台嘛所以僑委會你家如何的改善還有推廣增加僑胞到花東觀光的旅遊的誘因是不是可以積極的都透過一些管道宣傳回國旅遊的時候藉由僑團還是僑委會的不過我跟委員再補充一點就是說僑界也跟我們反映啦這個不單只針對花蓮台東而已就是說 |
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他們也到全世界各地去對台灣的旅遊他們都有興趣但他們覺得台灣的住房費用偏高這件事情也是他們會覺得不想多去的一個原因所以我們怎麼樣提高品質跟價格可以達到一個合理的狀態 |
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我知道因為小學會的本業本來就是不主管觀光的業務但是畢竟政府團隊是一起的我們都會配合政府的政策當然為了全台灣的人好那當然是要怎麼樣促進大家經濟的發展嘛對不對我們也會在我們網站多幫忙行銷花東地區的這個觀光 |
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謝謝那委員長我再問一下就是面對中國對台灣甚至對全球採取軟性的文化統戰這個是越來越明顯了甚至打壓台灣在國際的生存的空間然後現在我本席我剛剛今天看了你們的業務報告的第四頁第二點中國運用春節活動展開文化統戰 |
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近年來中國國僑辦贈送新春暖心包還有一些 贈送一些特別的小物給海外的僑胞還有中國使領館的人員也會在春節的時候拜會了傳統的僑社還有並致贈春節的禮金那我想要請教委員長一下就是像你們剛剛自己列的這些目標應該是不是要更積極地掌握各種同戰的情資呢還有我們都會怎麼樣去提醒 |
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可能會被中共操作成為統戰宣傳的樣本還有怎麼樣面對中共在海外無所不用其極的金錢還有人情的攻勢有沒有更積極還有更有效的因應措施因為我剛才看了這整篇之後我覺得這些做法都是偏於一般的傳統的交流還有應對似乎都是沒有那麼積極 |
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我們在外都有做第一線的佈局所以我們第一線的同仁跟我們外交單位的人也都會密切去關注跟收集這些情資一旦有一些動作出現我們後面都會跟進來做相關的處理那當然近年因為中共對於全球的統戰跟滲透 |
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持續的嚴峻加強所以有些像加拿大或美國歐洲國家已經都祭出一些法律就是外國代理人法在進行調查所以如果有再更進一步的情勢狀況我們也會請我們僑民去做跟當地的執法單位提醒通報 |
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那如果是有涉我的部分我們也會努力的來跟僑團去做溝通因為這兩年確實有一些中共代理人被抓跟起訴那這也形成某種這個親中的僑團有稍微比較這個 |
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應該說變低調轉趨低調那傳統橋社大家也都是在地資訊都有收集到所以大家對於跟中共方面中領館、使領館的這些互動往來都會刻意的想要保持一些距離不過他們確實是有強化要 |
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提更多的好處給這些傳統僑社不過我們也在後面都有密切的在溝通跟觀察避免這種往來的金錢遊戲持續的加碼我們不跟他玩這種遊戲的我現在只是想說提醒僑委會就是我們不要跟外交部一樣現在我們台灣的邦交國已經被中共拉攏剩下12個國家了現在還無人為力所以我希望說僑委會這邊我們可以凝聚台灣人的愛國心和向心力讓台灣在國際有生存的空間不要再受到中共的打擾 |
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好的謝謝林委員謝謝林委員現在請鍾嘉斌委員上台質詢鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在那現在有請張啟凱委員上台質詢 |
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請委員長 來 何秦委員長張委員早安早安 委員長 應該要恭喜你 你今年總議席增加多少總有 只有增加一億多 |
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兩億五千七百五十四億兩億五千七百五十四萬一千塊錢這個要恭喜啦 表示你第一個可能做得不錯第二個就是我們對我以為那個都是一個蘿蔔一個坑因為是學生的那個補助費反正你做得不錯 業務量也在增加這對我們的僑胞是好的啦那你剛剛在擔心一個事情你在說凍結事情 |
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我請問一下 僑委會從成立到現在有因為立法院凍結預算導致你們痴愛燃省真的沒辦法做嗎?有史以來喔 不是只有你這個不正喔有史以來僑委會曾經因為 |
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立法院凍結了你們的預算導致你們業務推動上有困難嗎跟委員報告這一次的凍結及刪除是我們近十年來最高的一次結果第一個你的親兒還是那麼多嘛我現在跟你講一個但是委員跟你報告我的業務增加了兩倍 |
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所以我預算才增加不到才兩億可是我的工作是增加兩倍所以如果按照這個邏輯應該給我增加二十億才對可是我預算沒辦法一下增加這麼多所以我們這個基期是慢慢在加的可是才加一點點兩億我就被砍掉五千了對 |
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大家重視這個僑務這個是非常好的啦不過錢也不可能一下跳兩倍啦你業務量當然要一直在增加我現在再強調一個點今年的僑委會的預算是比去年增加了兩億多的第二個如果凍結從歷年來為什麼有凍結凍結不是刪減啊 |
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山簡回不來 凍結馬上就可以處理我從民國76年來跑地方委員這次的凍結之所以奇怪是因為他本來都在委員會可以處理我們就這樣子處理提書報沒有問題但今年有一些預算的凍結是要到院會 |
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而且是報告後要經同意使得動資這個的話代表說我們在排案的時候時間會拖很久那我們該發包的東西我們會來不及去執行重點在這裡比方說我六七月要做英語營計畫了那我英語營計畫被凍結的這個額數如果不能在六月以前解凍那我這個要支付廠商我怎麼支付 |
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馬上我七月底就辦完了所以這是我擔心的問題事實上送到院會去解凍這個在以前也有過啦你現在就趕快去要求你們的重點應該是每次的提案裡面都有他的暗流嘛對不對他到底做什麼事情你現在說應該準備好家青你現在我已經準備好了準備好了我已經準備好了我現在要等立法院的排案所以我就要問啦第一個你跟沈博洋關係好不好如果在委員會趕快排如果院會趕快去要求委員會的部分我不擔心我現在提一個點非常重要 |
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歷年來被凍結預算後來沒有解凍的非常非常少我給大家看一個資料但是委員歷年來去到院會做解凍的也非常非常少 |
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今年是非常特殊的一年不但額度很高而且是送院會去報告然後要經同意才使得動作其實來得及啊現在院會都已經開議了啊院會會耽誤你們的解凍嗎不是因為我們而已還有其他各部會啊大家一起排案的啊其他部會比我們多很多我們就會被犧牲排到最後面去啊 |
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你為什麼一定會排到後面去我希望我人可以支持我們讓我們排在最前面可以定型啦不見得誰先誰後也不是說一個案子一個案子要花很多時間每個案子都要經同意所以要表決的你說同時上去嘛我現在提一個點非常重要歷年來光是民國94年凍結的這個比例今年凍結全部4.6% |
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2005年凍結多少12.71%欸凍結了2078億民國95年凍結了13.24%金額是2130億啊那時候每一年都可以如期的解凍啊今年為什麼不行所以不要再叫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
委員那時候一樣是草小野大的狀態沒有錯但是當時的凍結有些東西是凍結在這個新興計劃裡面但是這一次我們很大的部分是一部車子性能很好可是呢沒有給我們足夠的油錢所以我們就只能開到之後就停止了我會盡力克服你應該是解決問題的人不是要一直在解釋問題沒有我是在克服啊你趕快把相關的提案送到議員會如果是委員會你送個損保養趕快排就解凍了 |
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好的 謝謝委員不要一直在解釋問題現在裡面這個是不好的而且從以前的例子不管凍結的這個比例比你們多了三倍四倍都是解凍的趕快去解決問題我來談我看你今天這個報告裡面的第三頁是特別強調海外的這個橋台商企業長期在提升台灣全球競爭力上面扮演非常關鍵的角色接下來我們幫我們的橋台商來講講話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
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那總統沒有跟大家溝通 也沒有討論突然就宣布說把中國大陸定義為境外敵對勢力那你這邊衝擊應該就會很大了因為你這個僑胞裡面很多也是台商嘛 對不對很多台商 很多僑商的這個代表 領袖他可能同時在中國大陸那邊他也是一個台商組織的這個領袖嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
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8760.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
那這個對你衝擊 你要怎麼去保障這些僑商跟委員報告這個僑委會主管的權限範圍是不包含海峽兩岸三地這個是屬於陸委會的權責範圍我是在海峽兩岸三地之外的台商才是我們努力的這個目標所以這個權限範圍不一樣 |
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8793.97 |
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好 所以委員長來我具體要求三個因為重疊性太高嘛所以要求第一個你對僑商團體還有僑民團體跟中國大陸台商團體身份有重疊的你要趕快去做一個統計所以我們過去五六年來已經這樣在做你目前手上有這個統計嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8814.105 |
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我們在應該講我們跟海基會有在尋求了解一些資料事實上這五年六年來從中國移出的台商到東南亞佈局的比例相當高這是一個事實那個委員長這要非常具體啦好不好你的這個僑民處僑商處跟僑商處今天有疊嗎要趕快動起來這個要很明確的因應跟統計好不好你多久可以給我這個資料一個禮拜 |
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你們的手上應該要有啊 重疊的部分有些我們要跟海基會跟陸委會去對一下要對一下 要對一下比如說進出中國大陸 老實講風險就增高了其實不單單是在中國投資的台商風險高現在連我們在海外其他的那些美國公民的台商或者是日本公民的台商他們進到中國一樣有風險 |
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那個風險就是因為中國的國安法通過以後他們可以不定期的沒有理由的把他拘留你把重疊人數統計出來給我第二個你要對他們造成什麼樣的一個衝擊跟風險評估做個評估給我好不好這個應該是陸委會的職責吧沒有啦你重疊部分啦對你的僑胞第三部分對僑民僑商跟僑生以後進出中國大陸 |
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8875.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
我相信這三個書應該都要動起來了吧對我們都有都有在宣導都請大家盡量減少去對你做什麼樣的因應啦這是BOSE你講的他們供僑胞跟僑民對我們貢獻這麼大對不對那這是國家有新的這個措施了對於他們的風險跟這個怎麼樣去讓他們避險怎麼保護他們我們一起努力好不好好的謝謝一個禮拜內把這個資料給我好不好好謝謝張委員好謝謝 |
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8894.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8916.353 |
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好 謝謝張委員 那就再一個禮拜把資料給張委員那這個接下來請賴世寶委員上台質詢賴世寶 賴世寶 賴世寶委員不在接下來請徐欣盈委員上台質詢徐欣盈 徐欣盈 徐欣盈委員不在現在請黃國昌委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8927.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8928.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
謝謝主席 麻煩有請委員長委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8936.659 |
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黃委員你好委員長好,我前一陣子發了一個函請你們提供給我僑務委員的名單是到目前為止都沒有正式的回文給我跟委員報告,我們有跟因為你們,我先一樣一樣來我到目前為止聽到了只有電話回覆那我想先確立一個基本的原則 |
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僑委會對於委員發函的所知都是用電話回覆嗎?不是那為什麼到現在沒有公文回我呢?這樣對嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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委員我們有跟辦公室做說明我知道是電話回覆我們已經準備好一個一個機密檔案是要我親自送到辦公室給你看所以要跟你約時間什麼時候會送來就看委員辦公室給我時間是因為委員辦公室一直沒有給我時間所以我那個資料一直準備好我是要親自帶過去沒有我到目前為止我跟委員長說明一下就是說 |
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因為我辦公室同仁在跟對外聯繫的時候如果是公務電話打來他們都會做電話記錄我目前為止所看到的改革委員報告我們不只是打電話我們有請我們國會組的同仁到辦公室去溝通然後你們回來就說僑務委員是 |
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機密資訊嘛然後所以我要看過往都是由委員長親自向委員說明這個是你們目前的同仁給我的口頭回覆確實是這樣我們不分哪個黨派都一樣的做法所以所有的標準都一樣嗎是甚至之前柯總召跟我要我也沒有給他沒有關係啦剛剛你所謂用密件回覆的打算什麼時候回給我 |
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9045.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9069.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
就看委員什麼時間有空我就隨時把那個資料帶去只有能現場給你看完我就要收回我們先來就國家的制度面上來討論這個問題因為僑務委員是依照僑務委員會組織法的規定由總統任命的我的理解應該沒錯吧有法源依據我目前的法規 |
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9071.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9084.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
到底在什麼地方把喬武委員的身份是列為機密因為我在法規找了半天完全找不到我們到底是依照什麼法規把喬武委員的身份列為機密 |
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9085.848 |
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9114.958 |
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好 各位委員報告 這個都在我們的細則裡面是主要過去這20年 中共的哪一個細則我們有我們內部的行政細則沒有關係啊 你把那個行政細則 等一下直接提供給我好不好該不會連這個細則也是密件吧不會 細則可以提供來 你們喲 僑務委員其實每年都開會嘛這個都是公開的場合啊 |
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開僑務委員會議的時候也不是機密會議嗎沒有公開沒有開會的時候只有總統逆鄰致死的時候有媒體之後都全部清場的OK來我們再來看一下2025年3月12號你們在僑委會的網站公告續任僑務委員吳怡銘嗎是新任僑務委員有哪些人嗎那這不是機密嗎 |
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跟委員報告 這個都是真的當事人同意他們想要登 我們才會讓他們登出來分兩類嘛一個是當事人同意 一個是當事人不同意嘛那現在當事人同意的有幾個人因為你要聘喬烏委員嘛那你剛講的那些理由 我大概以前都聽過啦所以應該分兩類嘛一個是當事人同意 一個是當事人不同意嘛現在當事人同意的有幾個人 |
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9191.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們現在全球不到180個是171個僑務委員那同意的有幾個人同意的我們這個大概站數量有相當多但是仍然有將近二三十個不同意沒有關係啊那所以就分兩個而已嘛是同意的名單就不是機密了嘛是吧 |
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9200.155 |
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應該這樣子講就是說我們可以提供某些名單讓委員看過那不同意的我們就不提供 |
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9228.555 |
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這個當然沒有問題所以我才說分兩類但是我們基於不想幫對岸整理好完整的資料揭露請你聽完我的問題再回答因為分兩類一個是同意的一個是不同意的不同意的在法規上面他們有沒有不同意的理由我們可以再討論同意的部分就沒有列為機密的必要這樣沒有錯吧 |
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基本上他們如果同意我們是可以公開其實這個事情從很早以前就開始吵了2002年那個時候的僑委會他的立場是什麼他說選出來本來就是要服務僑胞如果不公開的確不適當這個時候那個時候的僑委會的主委應該是張復美張主委 |
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9275.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
張委員長他那個時候在面對立法院詢問的時候他的立場就是這個樣子所以這個立場是什麼時候改變的我們這個立場都一致沒有改變來看一下2002年11月12號僑委會公開全部僑委名單如果都一致的話2002年11月12號怎麼會有這個媒體報導 |
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9301.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
而且我們沒有公開啊沒有沒有2002年11月12號你說從以前到現在都一致嘛對啊所以我們一直沒有公佈啊沒有沒有先停一下所以這個是假新聞嗎這是真的啊所以他有公他沒有公佈啊等一下等一下僑委會公開全部僑委名單你有看到嗎沒有啊看右手邊 |
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9307.567 |
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9315.07 |
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僑委會公開全部僑委名單 白紙黑字寫在上面沒有 那也沒有真的全部公開 也沒有欸 那奇怪囉 來來來來來2003年3月 從來沒有過2003年3月 這個是在立法院的委員會紀錄喔來看一下張委員長赴美 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
僑務委員由總統聘請他們的名單都會公佈目前我們計畫印製簡單的手冊如果大院委員有需要我們都會提供這個是立法院公報的資訊所以你說這是假訊息嗎我不能說是假訊息但是當時的回應之後也是沒有提供奇怪了對他們都已經那個時候都已經公佈名單啊在立法院裡面都這樣講 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
然後你還在否認這個客觀的指示我的認知是當時張委員長雖然有做這個回應但之後也是沒有公開所以你的意思是說他在立法院講一套後來做另外一套是這樣嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
我不知道 我沒有辦法為以前的事情負責跟委員說明 當時是一樣的做法就是沒有做一份名單對外公開但是有親自拿去給委員看過就像我現在要送去給你看的是一樣的做法所以張委員長是那樣子做的他在委員會裡面就已經講了 |
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9416.656 |
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他說大院委員有需要會提供,但是沒有講什麼提供方式,所以確實後來是以去拜會委員親自拿給委員看過,然後就收回,確實是這樣的做法再來看一下,你說從以前到現在,剛剛我已經跟你講了從以前是怎麼處理到現在這個是民進黨的蘇巧惠委員的資訊,連蘇巧惠委員都在質疑 |
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9420.711 |
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9434.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
他說這個是大家覺得身負重任非常光榮的代表台灣然後他跟你們所知然後你們也給他了那你們給他的名字上面是用黃圈名羅圈結 |
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9436.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9464.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
有提供給他他對於你們這種公開的方式也表達不滿但我現在的問題是啊我連蘇巧惠委員這種遮蔽中間名字的名單都拿不到這到底是怎麼回事啊你們是面對不同黨派的沒有委員我們當時也是給他看就收回了也沒有真的給他這個做法我們都是一致的就是說我們會請委員長或副委員長親自帶去委員辦公室給委員看過看完以後一樣收回 |
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9465.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9491.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
那奇怪了那他為什麼手上會有僑務委員名單他沒有啊那他上面寫說給我的名單需要用黃圈名羅圈結陳圈錦就是現場拿給他看的東西啊所以這是他背下來的就對了這是啊他可能憑印象背的啊我老實這樣講啦齁這件事情啊目前在法規上面其實是沒有編密件的法律依據剛剛你說有細則嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9493.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9520.734 |
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任何對於這種資訊的遮蔽任何對這種資訊的遮蔽在沒有法規的授權之下我們還是要尊重當事人的意願啊是啊 所以就分兩類嘛一個是當事人願意 一個是當事人不願意嘛現在我先不跟你扯法規嘛最起碼當事人願意的那個部分剛剛你說過沒有問題嘛 是吧當事人有意願的部分的名單什麼時候可以提供 |
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委員我是已經準備好一份要拿去你辦公室給你看了就是當事人有意願的部分但是我們仍然不希望這一份資料流出去還是為了國家安全跟個人隱私如果是這樣啦我基本上的建議是這個如果要編密件必須要有法律授權的基礎 |
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密件不一定要法律授權不一樣等一下等一下先停一下你說密件不需要法律授權我們的公文處理不見得是要依據我們的行政命令就可以處理密件了如果啦按照你這樣講是成立的啊國家機密保護法根本沒有立法的必要嘛 |
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當初國家機密保護法為什麼要立法台灣是民主法治的國家欸我是機密我有 我跟您報告一下我們在海外的委員在各個不同的國家大家有不同的處境有些國家是單一國籍的 |
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如果他已經成為當地的公民他還仍然保有台灣的國籍然後或者他是擔任我們的僑務委員同時這個身份的時候他可能會被當地的政府追究所以我這事情我們不是可以這麼單純的去思考剛剛你講的啦是理由的部分啦我現在在跟你講的是你在編密件的時候有沒有法律授權基礎的部分 |
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我要這樣講今天即使你講的理由可以有討論的空間但是一樣要有法律的授權才可以編密件這個是我在法律上面的理解如果一個公務機關沒有法律授權的依據他愛編密件就編密件台灣還是法治國家嗎我們還有需要制定國家機密保護法嗎就不用啦我想我們討論的層級是不一樣的 |
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剛剛你說的嘛黃委員注意一下時間 你現在問的比本委還要久不需要法律授權 行政機關自己就可以定委員這個扯遠了剛剛這就是你說的啊有些行政程序是我們可以做密件處理的從過去到現在我們都是按照標準我沒有自己獨立創作 沒有我沒有這個就是我跟你認知不一樣的地方嘛 |
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委員你沒有擔任過行政職你不了解這個作業對所以呢當過行政職的人就沒有法律授權的依據自己要編密件就可以編密件不是沒有法律授權我們還是有一些行政職對嘛所以我就問你嘛不公開我們的密件就是不公開就叫做密件跟委員定義的密件邏輯是不一樣的好不好所以需不需要法律授權的依據不用嘛 |
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不是 我們兩位偶然你討論的意見跟我講的意見是不同的定義邏輯委員長請之後再跟黃委員說明 超過太多時間了你給我一個時間 我親自私下去跟你說明 好不好 謝謝好 接下來請這個葉元之委員上台質詢葉元之 葉元之 葉元之委員不在接下來請馬文君委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請委員長馬偉你好委員長好 委員長因為剛剛有聽到我們在詢答的過程那委員長有特別提到說在某一些國家他可能是單一國籍的部分那像剛剛面臨的那樣的困難有哪一些國家請僑友會再提供給本席 好不好好 |
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另外我們先討論今天我們在報告裡面看到的就是我們有特別提到中國大陸在運用春節活動去展開一些文化統戰的這樣的一個作為 |
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那他會送一些小物啊或者運用人情牌去拜會我們的僑社這個也影響到了我們海外僑民對我們的向心力那既然僑委會已經發現到對岸是利用捷慶對華僑實施這樣的文化滲透的統戰 |
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那來籠絡我們的僑民的心那這個部分請問僑委會在傳統節慶比如說像今年我們在春節的時候我們在不同的區域有做了哪些活動辦了什麼樣的或做什麼來增進僑界跟僑社團體對台灣的鏈結可不可以舉幾個例子 |
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跟委員報告通常在農曆年節的時候他們也都會有一些叫做新春的餐敘或者是新春團拜的活動那一般來講只要他有跟我們申請要辦這些活動我們多少都會給你所以我們沒有主動辦任何的活動或做什麼事 |
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有一些是僑團我們都是因應僑團才來做這些動作那因為每一個僑團如果我們主動辦的時候不見得僑團大家會一起來參加所以我們都是尊重個別僑團在舉辦但是如果非農曆春節而是元旦這種我們就會統一辦升旗活動所以春節我們辦了什麼?春節我們沒有主動辦春節都是配合因為大家時間會不一致 |
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委員長我剛剛已經提到就是我們自己僑委會其實也發現到了就是說他對岸的做法我們是提供他似乎是有達到那個效果 |
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我們也知道他送東西然後可能去拜會然後發個紅包那可能我們是做不到嗎或者像這樣他們就有效那為什麼我們不做因為有很多華僑也反映說我們在辦這些活動的時候有時候那種儀式性 |
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還有它的重複性太高就大家都一樣所以一點興趣都沒有所以也引不起大家參與的這樣的一個興趣所以如果說他們的做法是有效的而我們卻沒有其他的個別或者我們一個突破性的做法那只會讓我們的人一直流失所以這個部分我想僑委會可以主動去做一些事情 |
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因為既然你都已經發現對岸的做法是有效的那我們怎麼可以讓我們的人一直流失或者一直被拉攏就這個部分我覺得沒有什麼被動或主動或是配合或者只是補助主要是傳統僑社剛剛講那個拉攏都是傳統僑社為主那部分的是說他們辦的春節活動想要邀我們台僑社團但基本上我們台僑社團都沒有去參加 |
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那他們也都會回報給我們所以這是兩個不同的僑團性質我剛剛已經講很清楚過去例行性的我們那個無所謂可是當你已經發現委員我們沒有辦法有那麼多預算去跟他做某種的加碼我當然是用其他的方式來繼續的 |
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我們以前您大概也是有選舉過我們當然在看資源或各方面的條件的時候我們不見得都是資源最充裕的一方可是要怎麼樣讓大家認同或者怎麼樣去拉攏這是我們要去做的今天不是錢多少的問題那裡永遠都輸他 |
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所以不要拿這個理由來說我們這個不能做那個不能做我剛剛已經提到了如果因為他送那個小物看起來你也大概7萬份而已那你去拜會也不需要花什麼錢那如果這個有效為什麼我們不能做這跟錢有我們也有去拜會所以我們會送一個禮物過去那如果這樣我們還輸人家那你必須要檢討說為什麼他容易被拉攏或者他是什麼樣的因素 |
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這個我們自己去檢討再去改善嘛 是 是那另外喬委會在接受媒體採訪的時候有提到中方是採取打著綠席反綠這個部分好像是我們委員長對媒體也說到中國過去對於這是近期的發展 對 |
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中國過去對於親中偏藍的這些僑社僑團其實他們會刻意拉攏那現在好像是這個比較失去寵愛了可是我想要關心的是僑委會如何去區分他到底是親中可能比較明顯那個很容易就可以看得出來那你偏藍偏綠因為偏藍偏綠對於我們補助因為有我程度 |
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對於我們球委會的補助是有差別的那你偏藍偏綠是怎麼去分補助沒有差別但是呢有我程度嘛應該這樣子在補助的時候我們有列一個有我的那種程度是有的 |
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我們有一個公式在計算所以我們是怎麼區分的怎麼區分他是偏藍偏綠不是我們是以他舉辦活動的內容我現在不講補助委員長我不講補助我說我們因為有講到偏藍偏綠比方說我來講一個概念就是國民黨貴黨都還有很多海外的黨部 |
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那這些黨部也都有成立一些社團所以這些就非常清楚它叫做偏藍嘛那有沒有什麼比較偏綠的偏綠的當然也有就比方說FAPA大家知道的公共人事務協會這叫台派嘛所以是由民進黨去組成的不是它不是不不不FAPA比民進黨更早他們是在美國登記的僑團跟民進黨也沒有關係那像同鄉會已經50年了比我們民進黨更早我們民進黨來講是幾歲 |
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因為過去僑胞在對於我們尤其像抗日期間其實他不管捐錢捐住設立學校捐飛機捐很多很多的資源所以我現在要講的是如果你今天僑委會都已經先分了藍分了綠那你在內部已經做出這樣的一個差別的一個判定 |
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那你認為其他的他們應該要怎麼做因為社團就社團比如說獅子會裡面會有藍有綠啊那你久了以後其實你還可以去拉他們然後你可以讓他們有一個共同的宗旨目標是什麼所以我現在要特別提醒的是你在內部已經做了藍綠的分別 |
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我是做事實陳述我沒有做分別陳述是你說的那你既然是已經做這樣的陳述就是說你已經把它分別出來了那以前它既然是偏藍或偏綠有很多為什麼它要拉攏甚至你說對岸已經在拉攏比較輕綠的了 |
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所以其實如果在內部我剛剛聽說講完我們現在擔心的部分如果你在內部先分了敵我或者先分了藍綠或者先做一個區隔有時候我們要讓他們團結會更困難尤其僑委會更不應該這樣做 |
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他從過去因為過去的年代他是什麼樣的一個政治背景比如說那時候就是只有國民黨在執政所以那時候的成立或者更早的時候他們為台灣在付出的時候他們也沒有分哪一個政黨就是說他回到台灣的時候他還是希望我們的教育資源不足我們就提供教育資源各方面我們會提供那你應該如果僑委會的一個重要的一個存在的價值 |
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他就是讓我們所有的可能跟我們有鏈結的這樣子的一個僑胞、僑民、僑社他都可以對我們認同這在國際上是很重要的所以就這個部分我們還是希望邱委會其實自己把分寸可以拿捏得更好 |
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我簡單回應一下事實上這兩三年我在海外辦各種僑務座談的時候藍的也有綠的也有我所謂藍的也有綠的也有是代表說台灣是一個多元政黨民主社會所以我常常跟所有的僑民說你支持哪一個政黨都沒有關係我們只有一個共同的信念就是我們是 |
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支持中華民國台灣這個概念所以同樣的這樣子我對僑團也是持同樣的態度我不會因為他的政治立場是什麼而去給他差別待遇但是我必須說中共是會區分的做法是這個我們觀察到的現象所以觀察到現象我們要自己去想我們策略上要怎麼因應而已 |
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但是在立場上我並沒有說今天他是政黨立場不一樣我就差別待遇那第二個就是說我要跟委員報告他們都是在海外的僑團那麼這些僑團我們都是輔助他而已我們沒有主導他們的委員長您說的我知道 |
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對我們台灣來說 我們要團結最多的力量我要講的是 當你要補助社團的時候你把補助的公式的內容再提供給民企 |
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另外因為今天時間的關係我們沒有辦法問到因為天下雜誌有做了一個專章在討論我們的學生不管是教育部還是我們僑委會主辦的這樣子的部分它的標題其實讓人家看了非常難過 |
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他說想做工就去台灣念書產學專班讓台灣淪為偽留學天堂這個基本上是個偽專天仲介剝削僑生的產業鏈 |
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委員長你不用先否認他是讓裡面資料錯誤擺出也不用去因為其實你的計算方式也是錯的就像我們在說那個國防部好了他們在委員他們把我們沒有講的話寫出來這些事情是塞在我們的嘴巴裡面我一定會抗議的聽我講完而且我已經去寒跟他們講委員長聽我講完 |
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因為這個雜誌已經出現了已經讓大家看到了如果要說明我們未來會有時間我現在要特別先提出來我們自己去理解的也有這樣的狀況你去了解看看我們對這些學生是不是夠好因為過去我們有很多的透過 |
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10412.497 |
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教育部或者我們僑委會不管海青班也好或者過去的僑生也好我們訓練了非常多的優秀的人才而且在台灣創立了非常成功的企業因為那個就叫培養人才剛剛你們計算的公式你說七成然後天下雜誌說三成我們姑且不論他的那個分母分子的計算資料就像國防部我剛剛提到的如果你救你的木兵他達到百分之一百以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
10437.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
10443.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
可是他的就是他後來離開的更高所以我們的邊線比一直嚴重不足或者其他的人員不足是因為這樣你不能說他來註冊了可是他流失了你沒有去計算今天時間的關係這個問題是我們僑委會花了很多的錢編了更多的預算尤其這兩年我們希望他做到的是讓國際認同不要讓人家覺得我們是剝削 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
10465.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10483.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
如果來了都是幫我們台灣的廠商解決他們的缺工問題或者幫學校快要倒了讓他有學生數這都是不對的我們希望有時間如果再安排我們會深入討論我認同委員的理念基本上我也是這樣的看法好謝謝好謝謝馬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
10489.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
10507.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
好謝謝委員長那已登記質詢委員處不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日委員會口頭質詢未及答覆的部分或要求補充資料者就請相關單位以書面提供那就看各委員的這一個約定那本日會議到此結束散會 |