| IVOD_ID |
165223 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165223 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-11T14:30:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-11T14:46:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2170dced164337aaeba579235809834385e1af54c489cd62b0f292095e346b3242d90c1ed0ab56cb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:32 - 14:46:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議（事由：一、同意權之行使事項：本院交通、教育及文化兩委員會報告審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。（11月7日上午報告事項後）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月7日下午及11日）三、11月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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因為媒體報導財化法修法的版本正由行政院副院長鄭麗君來召集所有部會來討論當中全面盤點一般性補助款 |
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那這個整個計畫刑補住款等等那我請問院長因為行政院針對財化法修法的版本是我有預定啊送進立法院的最後實現有沒有 |
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跟委員報告現在行政院所在討論的不只是一般性補助款我們是很著原來的財發法跟現行財發法對各縣市地方政府造成的影響在哪裡尤其現行財發法地方均衡不夠所以我們是整個更宏觀的來考量那目前呢包括 |
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財政部包括主計總署會折時間在跟地方政府的財主人員在做進一步的溝通之後我們會在或許或許下禮拜我們就會在行政院來正式的討論之後就送請大院來進行審議院長事不宜拖啦你認為最晚的時候將財化法送到哪時候送到立法院來因為你們討論以後我本來的要求是在 |
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這個會期之前那我們會盡快的在準備妥當的時候會適時的來提出我們現在朝越快的準備越好因為我知道這個大會裡面也有相關的修法那如果能夠同時或者是能夠相併來討論的話會更為周延 |
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因為要是如果沒有什麼期限那我請問你認為現階段整個市群劃分不明確的情況下會不會類似像美國政府整個停擺的狀況會出現你認為會不會 |
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不希望出現這個問題不過即使現在財法法的修法經過大院審議之後對明年的中央政府總預算也起不了新的作用他應該著眼在後年的未來的中央政府總預算跟地方的補助才能夠應用更新的一個財法法的修法 |
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因為在野黨去年有推動財化法修法的時候有催促行政院版但是行政院卻辭職沒有提出來那本席當時質疑財政部是不是提不出來還是我們左院長要求不提結果 |
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院長卻回答說現行的版本就是最好的版本那我請問院長為什麼在野黨去年在推動修法前你堅持原來的版本是最好的版本我修正一下我說 |
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原來的財化法是實行起來最有把握的版本那去年12月20號大院在表決的時候那一個禮拜陷入到一個這個協調的困難期因為發生了種種的事情所以行政的立場沒有辦法透過執政黨黨團在協商當中來提出這個是當初的一個遺憾我們是有準備好版本的所以內容我們在經過修正之後會落實在現在 |
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包括財政部 包括主義總署來在研擬新的財化法的精神裡面 |
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因為那個卓院長如果原來的版本是最好的版本那現在像政府院長他就不必再找這些部會首長來討論提出行政院的版本其實那時候我們是要求希望行政院能夠提版本一併進去討論但是當下這個行政院跟財政部真的沒有提出來院長也許你是 |
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或是執政黨的支持者會把現行財化法出現有一些瑕疵難行的地方刻意把它凸顯放大來檢視但是本席要強調的是如果沒有本黨在立法院積極來反映全國多數的民意推動各界正式的財化法修法的急迫性和必要性那我請問院長民進黨 |
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執政的行政院會願意主動來回應多數民意提出財化法的修正版本嗎這個委員恐有誤會在去年12月20號大院表決之前等一下可以請莊部長 |
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回答在那個表決之前行政院跟各地方以及我們內部經過了多少次的討論當時的狀況我們請鍾部長來回答我認為那個也不必因為我們在財委會裡面有討論過你們要是有提出來到時候可以併進去大家來研商看怎麼做最理想 |
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中央跟地方是要合作當初表決之前那一個禮拜因為院裡面發生了一些一些意識上的爭執所以沒有辦法進入到協商行政的立場是通過執政黨黨團要在協商提出但是沒有機會提出 |
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就好比普發現金一萬元好了 民進黨立院黨團這個行政院起初也是反對到底到最後風向球又改變這個變成同意甚至於現在連主計總署官員也說隨著普發現金一萬元上路啊 應可以發揮刺激整個內需的一個效果 |
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有助於拉抬第四季的民間消費的表現那我請問院長執政黨當初不分青紅皂白扣在野黨的帽子現在反過來趁政策紅利的熱度這是對全民負責的態度嗎我們當初的想法是我們不舉債 |
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用稅計剩餘就可以因應這一次的中央政府總預算跟特別預算但是在大院表決的時候卻一再希望行政院能夠補發現金對於行政院不舉債的這個用心完全不被重視所以與其如此行政院就衡量 |
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大院所通過的那個特別條例2350億是不足以來補發現金所以我們調整的內容變成2360億所以這個是依照行政院調整之後也用了舉債的方式增加政府舉債的方式才有辦法來因應所以這個部分是我們在公共政策財政這個紀錄上面的一個考量所以是行政院的版本那個卓院長當初 |
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在野黨要求普發現金一萬元主要就是因為連續好幾年我們都知道稅收超徵連續四年超徵了一兆八千多億不是超徵是時徵數超過預算數 |
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對啊 你確實啊很明顯的是行政院不是不能提財化法修法的版本而是去年卓院長的最好版本的說法本席解讀看起來就像是不願意把二十多年來二十幾年來未修訂的財化法重新客觀來檢討中央地方政府應該要進行財政的改革院長 副秘書長 |
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阮昭雄說這個財化法修法版本以和執政黨立院黨團取得一定的共識但草案到立法院後是我獲得立委的認同多數立委的認同是一個很大的一個挑戰那我請問院長 |
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行政院這次的財化法修法的版本有沒有獲得多數地方政府的共識這個很重要你剛剛有講那你認為要怎麼樣才能獲得多數立委認同的修法我覺得最重要的是當全國所有的縣市都放在公平的立場上沒有誰最優越也沒有六都直轄市那麼優越最優越 |
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而這個縣市全部放在公平的角度上來計算地方的均衡這樣才能得到所有縣市的支持目前我們新的財發法就是往這個方向在做因為今天到這個會期 研會結束只剩兩個半月 |
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那院長 財政部莊部長曾說估計啊年底前會送出行政院修法的版本希望立法院能夠在這個會期啊能夠三讀通過那我請問院長您怎麼看我剛剛說過我希望在 |
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這個會期就能夠結束之前就能夠通過現在我要看財政部主計總署跟各縣市的財主單位談的結果如果達到一致的話我們會把時程提前或許下禮拜我們就會進行正式的討論我希望齁 |
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這個就是要積極啦然後多溝通然後有問題提出來怎麼解決能不能請部長談一下他如何積極溝通是 跟委員說明有關財化法的部分在水平分配的部分財政部已經召開了四次會議 |
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那在最近一次也在10月的時候邀請地方政府來開會相關的指標還有權重已經獲得大部分的縣市能有共同的共識而且我們在人口也好土地面積也好在計算上更為細緻更為細緻也就是說人口上我們因為老年人口或幼年人口需要更多的服務以及土地面積裡面要分別土地的種類譬如說農牧用地建築用地林業用地都要有不同的一個權數 |
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所以這個部分可以均衡城鄉的一個差距而且這一次修法的目標很明確第一個就是我們的國民的生活品質要能夠更均衡不管他在城市還是鄉村然後垂直的分配要更合理中央跟地方財政都要能夠有合理性還有我們的水平分配要更公平能夠讓各縣市都得到相同的一個支持還有地方自治要更能夠強化我們擴大他們的財政自主但地方自治也要能夠強化 |
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還有中央跟地方夥伴關係要更能夠提升我想中央跟地方都是一個夥伴的關係這是我們的一個修法我希望在最短的時間裡面能夠取得就是大家能夠認同接受院長 |
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因為明年編列AI新十大建設預算有311億元那你曾說這是未來國家發展的重中之重那8月下旬經濟部長龔部長也接受聯合報的專訪也說明年開始要推動AI新十大建設希望把AI相關的技術導入百工百業讓產業升級轉型 |
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就本席了解產業轉型是指國家地區或產業透過整個系統性的調整其產業的結構將傳統或低附加價值的產業轉變為新興或高附加價值的產業的過程那我請問院長 |
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產業轉型或升級是用嘴巴說說的簡單的事嗎既然要導入百工百業你認為行政院編列明年的預算311億能夠一步到位或促成百工百業轉型或升級成功嗎你的看法呢謝謝委員的支持我們的AI新十大建設 |
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大致上分做三個區塊第一個是智慧運用第二個是關鍵技術第三個是數位機盤那明年是一開始第一年的預算我們統合一開始初期當然預算沒有辦法變到那麼多因為很多在計劃過程當中那未來逐年會是適時的需要而增加那我希望明年的310億我們真的是用在讓他能夠順利起步無論是 |
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智慧運用或是關鍵技術或是數位機盤這三大部分都能在AI新十大建設的十大項裡面都能夠開始發展我認為這未來20年30年影響台灣在國際關鍵技術上面的尤其是高科技領先地位上面能不能繼續保持這樣的優勢要接軌AI相關的技術百工百業的建制成本你認為我們都準備好了嗎 |
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我們現在開始從AI新時代建設來做統合其實我們的科技預算經費當然是更大但有的是原來的計畫在進行當中我們先把它挪一部分在AI新時代建設就啟動一個新時代的科技建設計畫 |
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面對美國新聞新關稅的這些政策市場的競爭行政院要推動AI新十大建設人工智慧對於提升產業競爭力有非常大的幫助那我請問院長百工百業導入AI相關技術會不會發生人力排擠的效應 |
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會不會反而導致某些產業甚至於人力被淘汰那萬一人力排擠淘汰甚至於產業走向黃昏請問院長政府有沒有想過要到底要怎麼辦我們AI信息他建設的終極目標是希望成立進入到一個全民智慧的生活網 |
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那過程當中我們有十大項其中有一項也是AI人才的培育跟資金的投入所以這個都是在整個配套過程當中的我們對於我們如何在現在硬體製造方面的領先我們繼續往軟體讓他能夠有一個登峰的一個企劃這個是AI新時代建設那將來當然會造成一些產業上的轉型跟升級 |
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那這個都在我們規劃當中我們會有一些像我們在數月羈盤當中就有一個產業科技均衡的一個項目我希望這個院長這邊你們要做就是要好好的要細密一點的規劃你不要到時候這裡好那結果很多這個百工百業甚至很多人力就沒有辦法去 |
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去做他們原來應該要做的我們會協助中小微企業進行它的轉型這個是必要的人力跟科技的轉型數位的轉型都必要我是認為這一點是很重要不要說只顧這裡沒有顧到其他面向結果造成很多問題變成衍生社會的問題產生 |
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AI實在有AI的問題那我們會事先做一些防範轉型是必然的過程當中事前一定要好好細密的規劃好不好也請委員能夠支持這樣的一些建設計畫 謝謝 |