| IVOD_ID |
165213 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165213 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-11T09:00:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-11T09:31:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2170dced164337aaa1274ffb2db4c36285e1af54c489cd6258594ca32616fb4d75783c786b3857c15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:00:52 - 09:31:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第8次會議（事由：一、同意權之行使事項：本院交通、教育及文化兩委員會報告審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。（11月7日上午報告事項後）二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月7日下午及11日）三、11月7日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝院長那我們麻煩行政院院長請 卓院長 |
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部委員好 院長早安我想我今天問的問題其實都是老問題我今天不會做任何突襲性的問題我想這也是對行政院的尊重那我先想請教院長最基本的幾個問題第一個就是如果我們這陣子前陣子那個閃兵就是不想服兵這個問題 |
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新聞報蠻多的嘛那我想請教一下如果有異男覺得兵役法這個制度這個法律違憲那限制他的人身自由自己就決定拒絕入伍請問一下院長這個有沒有問題他有沒有這個權利說因為我認為違憲我申請釋憲所以我現在拒絕入伍可以嗎中華民國憲法規定必須服兵役是國人應盡的義務所以 |
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服兵役這件事情沒有違憲的空間不行這樣講喔有沒有違憲不是我們人民或院長您說了算是大法官才可以說了算所以我請教您如果有藝男覺得兵役法違憲他認為限制了他的自由權利那這個時候他說我申請釋憲了要拒絕入伍請問院長可不可以我就跟委員把答覆過了依照中華民國憲法國人有服兵役的義務 |
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所以服兵役這件事情很單純沒有違憲的空間委員不要用這件事情想要印證你不要用這件事情想要印證其他的事實院長我們不是大法官你不能說憲法規定在那裡所以他就是怎麼做就是可以或不可以你不是大法官嘛正常的情況是他申請釋憲之後 |
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然後現在法庭 大法庭他認為說這個東西沒有違憲對不對 是這樣子才對嘛您不能自己擔任大法官就說這樣子啊所以你沒有給我答案好 那我再問你第二個問題啦如果人民覺得納稅 稅捐基金法違憲限制了他的財產的自由處分權請問一下 他申請 |
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稅捐基金法違憲之後可不可以就不繳稅請問一下據我所知稅捐基金法相關的規定你要申請任何的救濟應該要履行它必要的條件你還是沒回答我的問題啊我現在因為委員的問題現金很多 |
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大高院長 您也是法律系畢業的法律未接憲法法律命令我現在在跟你討論的是憲法未接你不要再跟我講法律未接的究竟好不好所以 院長你不要在那邊誤導大家啦 |
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我哪一件誤導大家我跟議長報告一件事我跟你說你不要誤導大家我現在跟你談論憲法層級的東西你不要再跟我講稅宣激增法的究竟那個是法律層級好那我請教你還是這個問題你還是沒回答我如果人民認為稅法違憲他申請釋憲了可不可以就從此不繳稅請問一下院長可以或不可以請院長裁釋 |
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繳稅也是一樣我們政府依法科徵人民稅各種的稅都是法律有依據的所以法律有依據的情況之下人民繳稅這也是一種義務院長我跟你講你現在講的東西全國很多法律人都在聽是啊 |
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那你一定要把憲法 我在跟你談憲法位階你一定要拉到法律位階 好吧那就是院長你做的第三個問題請教如果今天有一個人被判決確定有罪要入監服刑那這時候他認為我國刑法或刑事訴訟法嚴重違憲侵害他的人身自由權而申請釋憲他可不可以說我拒絕入監服刑因為我已經申請釋憲了 請問院長 |
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任何人被法律判決確定有罪那就是法律最後的定義謝謝院長一直在談法律那我也在 你一直講法律對不對立法院三讀通過的也叫法律但是我今天看到有一位院長您剛剛一直說法律有規定所以人民必須遵守那我們今天立法院三讀通過的法律你也不遵守啊 |
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因為立法院通過的法律案預算案大幅增加行政院的稅數沒有徵詢行政院沒有指出這個資金的來源這個都違反了憲法跟預算法我一而再再而三提醒大院各位委員 |
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吳委員你是法律出身你應該清楚你不要為了政治目的置法律於不顧院長請你不要因為政治目的而不編列去年7月11號我主持以及去年7月16號韓院長主持的會議立法院的議事錄記載的非常的清楚內政部警政署都有派員列席所以不要在那邊誤導國人說沒有徵詢了啦不要再繼續騙了啦 |
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你有沒有指出司機的來源你有沒有進行必要的修法都沒有啊跟院長說一下依據我國憲法訴訟法我想我們直接列訴訟法條文給院長好了啦 |
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第52條違憲判決認定是違憲之前這個法律就是完全生效總統已經公布了完全升上行政院就必須依法行政行政院長沒有那種理由說我認為違憲所以我不做再來你上一次你跟張綺凱在那邊虧張綺凱說你是全中華民國第一個不懂申請四憲中的這個立法委員但我要跟您講 |
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你現在做的東西叫做暫時處分不去適用這個法律但是依據憲法訴訟法43條它也是大法官的專屬權利請問院長一個沒有被憲法判定違憲的法律您就是有遵守的義務 |
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一個已經生效的法律您就必須要遵守這個你也沒有暫時處分權為什麼大法官不能做暫時處分你為什麼要違反憲法訴訟法52條及43條為什麼大法官不能做暫時處分 |
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是你們封殺的大法官不是嗎是你們封殺的大法官不是嗎誰封殺大法官你們把人數砍成你們憲法訴訟法你們每一次大法官同意權不行使同意權讓他不通過不好意思那個報告主席我們時間先暫停不好意思我們彼此相互尊重也尊重委員資訊 |
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院長不然這樣好不好我們現在我們我現在陪你嘛我們現在時間暫停我現在陪你到總統府去請命拜託總統趕快提名大法官人選好不好我們現在去我陪你我們跟他請我們到總統府跟總統府拜託總統府不是我們想去就可以去請命請總統趕快提人選今天是總統沒有提人選到我們立法院你們現在本末倒置沒有提過兩次嗎 |
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他提了兩次但人選有問題啊那你們為什麼要把法院人選設置成這個樣子讓大法官無法運作你講那個什麼話今天立法委員不能審查大法官人事權嗎今天立法院是總統府的立法局嗎總統提了什麼人選我只能橡皮圖章蓋同意嗎我們今天每一個大法官的候選人我們都實質的審查 |
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我的每一個我負責任的人我也實質的審查你憑什麼說我們立法院立法委員審查出來的認為不合格的大法官我有錯 聽我講這個話行事上有實質的審查事實上是黨議凌駕一切 不是嗎你在那邊講那個什麼話那你今天民進黨全部都投同意那是不是也黨議凌駕他們都支持啊 你可以這樣講嗎他們都支持啊 院長 院長我今天不來這邊跟你吵架你就是來吵架的我今天問的是 |
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我今天問的是程序我講一個很簡單嘛憲法訴訟法52條43條明明白白的在那裡您就是一個違法的院長您的這個作為啊其實就只是顯示出您是個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府失信於民你今天是委員不是檢察官你無權在這裡說誰違法不違法 |
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我們今天三讀通過的法律你不依法執行你說過的啊你不依照憲法預算法大幅增加稅出沒有爭取行政院意見沒有指出稅金來源大法官OK好沒關係你今天要當大法官那你就去當你的大法官那我請教你你講了那麼久了那你不依法編列的法律依據是什麼來請你告訴我條文依據是哪一條哪一條不依法編列 |
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不是啊 你現在那個警察人員人事條例 軍人待遇條例我說過了我們在4月27號已經刪除通過跟6月29號已經刪除通過行政院已經說過只要釋憲結果合憲我們就依法編列而且追溯如果違憲讓我們不編列如果我現在編了 萬一違憲的話我變成違憲的院長我覺得齁 您一直在兜圈子啦我講一個很簡單的沒有所謂釋憲中就可以拒絕 |
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依法行政 我剛剛問你的那三個問題人民都沒有辦法因為申請失憲中而不去做這些國民的義務憲法規定的很清楚沒有違憲的空間你到現在還是告訴我不了我的法條到底依據是什麼我現在已經告訴你法條依據為何憲法訴訟法的依據為何但是偉大的行政院長你還是告訴不了我你的法律依據為何這個就是你不依法行政 |
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全世界的民主國家有人這樣幹嗎中華民國以前歷任的行政院有人這樣幹嗎每一任法律人都知道一句話你也是法律行政院的歷屆的國會也沒有人這樣幹啊二法 議法對不對 二法 議法 歷屆的國會也沒有人這樣幹承認你是二法嗎 |
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惡法 易法 你覺得你是惡法嗎我沒有告訴你 不是啦我認為惡法我們必須救濟我跟你講你不用在那邊耍嘴皮啦我說法律系都懂一句話叫做惡法 易法即使你今天再厭惡這個法律你也必須依法行政委員竟可以跟國民講惡法 易法但是在行政院不能違憲 |
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院長 憲政制度之下向立法院負責就是你的憲政義務你今天在違憲因為你今天把立法院三讀通過的法律你不依法執行這個就是違反我國的憲政制度以及違反行政院必須向立法院負責的憲法規定立法院通過的任何法律也不能破壞憲政體制 |
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請讓大法官來講這句話不要你自己下定論大法官就被封殺啦我剛剛已經跟你講我現在可以陪你到總統府去現在是總統不願意提大法官人選請他提出來搞不好他第三波提的東西我們都很第三波提的大法官人選我們都很喜歡 |
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所以議法院不是總統府的立法局不是橡皮圖章我們必須就每一個人去嚴加審核在人事同意權上總是黨議凌駕一切行政院負責好您的義務把事情做好依法行政我的義務就是守護憲法守護國家 |
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但是你今天就是在破壞憲法制度是大院的法律通過之後破壞了憲政體制可以行政院說了算 |
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沒有我說的算 我等待大法官的解釋我沒有做定論我沒有做定論你有申請釋憲 這個都沒有問題但是在大法官宣告違憲之前依據憲法訴訟法 它就是一個有效必須遵循的法律但是你今天沒有這麼做 很遺憾的 |
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您今天就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府私信於民您今天就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府長期私信於民您就是一個違法的院長而且你讓民進黨政府私信於民 |
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你是立法委員你不是檢察官你無權在這裡指責任何人違法不違法所以立法院三讀通過的法律我發現有一個院長不願意執行因為你三讀通過的法律破壞了憲政體制然後我再告訴院長您一句話您今天說我不是檢察官不可以說你違法那我也反告訴您一句你不是院長你不可以說他違憲 |
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我等待大法官的決定我沒有說他違憲不違憲大法官合憲我就編違憲我就不能編所以你現在就是違反憲法訴訟法52條非常清楚了嘛你剛這句話就是違反沒有啊你回去看把條文看清楚吧我跟你講這是一個法治國我們是法治國所以請依法行政結果我們連依法行政這個東西您都不願意做好吧 |
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我也是無奈啦一個行政院卻不依法行政我跟您報告為什麼制度重要民主國家為什麼制度非常重要就是因為民主國家的政黨會不停的輪替政黨不停的輪替有不停的領導者領導的風格不一樣我們為了怕民主國家走向獨裁所以我們有一個嚴格剛性的制度在那裡 |
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不管誰執政都必須服從那個剛性的制度國家才不會大亂那今天如果說假設換了一個政黨執政假設民眾黨執政了貴黨如果立了一個服國立民的法律那民眾黨說我認為這個法律危險我不想做 |
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我等釋憲啊那這樣子國家就大亂了所以憲法訴訟法它有一定的規範就是可以下暫時處分暫時不適用的是只有大法官可以再來大法官宣告這個條文違憲之前它就是一個生效的法律我們都必須要做 |
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所以我在這邊跟院長報告 如果你一直搞不清楚這個制度我在這邊剛已經把我國制度講完了那如果我在這邊講得那麼清楚 您還是不認同或您用您的論述我在這邊跟... 董法的人都非常清楚好 沒關係 這句話就你講你的 我講我的啦我也跟您報告一件事 我自己同學在大學當教授 他之前還是研究所所長 |
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他自己打電話跟我說現在院長您是現在學生在嘲笑的對象他們在憲法課程在講五權分立的時候在講權力分立原則的時候您是學生的負面教材您是學生拿出來說既然這個東西是不對這違反權力分立我們都是法律人您第一次我質詢您的時候我一直希望你當我們中華民國的大哥可以為我們國家好好的謀福利結果我今天看到的 |
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您現在變成是法律系學生的一個嘲笑對象那如果院長您覺得你這個說法如果是有依據的話麻煩您可以發動學者來打臉我來打臉憲法訴訟法52條我都歡迎嘛但是當您講不出來只剩下就是講說我認為它違憲所以我可以不做完全違法憲法訴訟法52條違反43條法律系的老師也曾經打電話給我認為我們應該堅守憲法的立場沒關係 |
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您這樣講法以後人民只要覺得我哪一條我覺得違憲那我申請釋憲我就不做了因為我堅守憲法這是您的說法好 謝謝院長你這就是誤導你用一個法律嘗試在誤導國人這個非常嚴重 |
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你誤導國人任何行為都可以這樣來做這非常嚴重歷史自有公斷沒關係我們就在這裡歷史自有公斷你也還年輕我們未來還很長歷史自有公斷憲法訴訟法我已經講完了清清楚楚條文在哪裡好那我再請教院長 |
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那您竟然說 認為大法官說核限之後你會回溯的去發放 請問一下如果下個月 |
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就說核限了那你們是要一次發還是分次發利息怎麼算我們可以先把預算準備好那希望能夠在核限的情況底下把財源找出來把預算準備好那能夠回溯能夠一次出發就一次發但是如果前提是如果這是違憲的我當然不能變 |
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我現在發了 如果他違憲我馬上變成違憲的院長 不是嗎不是啦 院長你又在亂講話了任何法律被大法官宣告違憲之前的所有作為都是合法的你不要這樣亂講我剛一直跟你講憲法訴訟法52條嘛任何一個東西在被判決違憲之前你所有作為都合法你所有發出去的錢都是合法的啦你不要說你這樣變成違憲院長 你不要 |
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你不要這樣子說自己好不好這樣我聽了會不忍心啊你不是院長你沒有辦法了解我的心情我這樣聽了會不忍心你沒有辦法了解只要被大法庭申告違憲之前的所有作為都是合法合憲好不好謝謝院長那這樣子喔但是呢你明年你會你有沒有編一個貨有負債的準備啊貨有什麼 |
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就是你現在說這筆錢那萬一下下個月說合憲了那你要怎麼來得及準備那我先把預算找出來啊如果這預算需要追加我就請說大院同意追加那同意之後我們就來編但這個前提是他必須是合憲的才有後續的這些討論 |
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我剛已經講得非常的完整了我想我們今天我們兩位對於憲法以及法律的論述我想全國人民全國的法律學者都會看在眼裡當然院長您講的那句話沒錯大家叫你說要合憲不能違憲這話沒有錯 |
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我也很認同您這句話但是在...委員我說一句話是否可以宣告違憲的人不是院長您啊您也有志於參選地方首長如果為了地方議會增加預算不經過你的同意你做何感想你這個要直接對外公告 |
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你們要趕快做如果核限之後要怎麼分期有沒有利息怎麼樣入帳這個你們要趕快對外公告怎麼做而不要說等到那個宣告核限之後然後你就匆匆忙忙然後又搞不出東西來我是希望這樣因為我跟您說啦很多這些代退的人或退休的人其實他們這些錢很多都是他們很重要的家用 |
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譬如說他的醫藥費長輩的醫藥費等等的其實他們都很在意這件事情所以我想麻煩您能夠承諾兩件事情第一個就是說你要公告追溯補回的SOP如果說合憲之後的追溯補回SOP是什麼 |
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你不用很細項的講但是至少一張A4的紙論述清楚讓人民能夠安心第二個開放權力名冊供個人能夠查詢自己因為上一次我有問過那個劉世芳部長他說目前有三萬八千多名警消適用那是不是能夠讓每個人查詢一下他到底適不適用因為現在大家都一直在想說自己到底符不符合規定每個人都搞不清楚一直打電話來問也造成我的困擾 |
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那當然我很願意幫民眾查詢可是目前就是沒有查詢的管道是不是可以麻煩你能夠請那個主管機關能夠趕快把這個系統建置起來讓個人能夠查詢他個人是不是符合申請的這個發放的這個資格好不好麻煩您真的有那麼一天那麼內政部跟所有的財政單位一定會把 |
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程序跟預算準備好那下一個問題我想請問謝謝你下一個問題我還是想跟你請教一下就是說因為預算我們來看國家的預算其實國家預算一個餅就是這麼大塊那這個餅這麼大塊的情況下如果我們要用很多的特別預算或是我們某一個項目我們必須增加大量的預算的時候那勢必一定會去 |
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一定會去侵害到其他我們原本需要支付的部分所以我自己看了一下我們的國防預算當然我完全認為要支持國防而且我也請各位不要亂扣帽子因為我家老小都在台灣這塊土地上 |
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也不要懷疑我們誓死捍衛這塊土地安全的決心但是我想請教您一個問題我看到2026年這國防預算再加一些特別預算加起來到9000多億對不對 |
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這個東西如果說我們今天的餅就這麼大塊國家就收這麼多稅金那我想請教你你突然你在國防的部分要增加這麼多錢的情況下那我們要去從第一個當然就是用加稅的方式來解決嘛來補這個洞第二個可能就要從一些公共投資啦社福醫療教育等等的預算挪到國防 |
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我想請問一下這個大量增加的國防預算我們要怎麼去支付這個錢我們現在的國防預算今年來看達到3.32%未來我們逐年朝5%來增加這個是基於兩個原因一個是國家財政的能力第二是國防的需求 |
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那我們也沿走財政紀律所以未來勢必要 如果這樣做的話勢必要調整支出結構對 就是您剛講的嘛 調整支出結構所以這個錢到最後只能從公共建設 社福 醫療 教育等等那一方面還有更多的不同項目裡面去挖錢過來但是這個部分你們要明確的告訴人民 |
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我們大量的購買武器大量的支出國防預算甚至總統說2030年要到GDP的5%那算起來就相當於1.43兆那這個等於是我國國家總預算的一半都要花在國防上面那我不是說國防不重要國防非常重要但是我一直覺得說我們要強化國防這百分之百一定要的但是我們必須買 |
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台灣是適合用的武器而且要買購這我絕對支持第二個我們要買能夠交貨的武器這是我認為我對於國防採購的一個最基本的想法第一個買台灣適合用的武器而且要買購第二個要買會交貨的武器這個很重要那因為 |
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等到2030年要大拉到GDP5要搞到1.43兆國家一半的錢都拿去國防一半沒有啦 沒有到一半啦而不到一半啦當然你精算不到一半啦但是四成有吧那像這個狀況下你今天你要怎麼我說你必須你會排擠到其他的東西嘛但是上次沈伯陽委員 |
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光是普發人民一萬現金這件事情要2400億他就說窮台了配合中國大陸解放軍要窮台要讓他們進攻台灣結果呢我們如果搞了1.43兆的話那這個會不會造成窮台其實我自己的擔心啊因為我剛講的自主防衛極端的重要我百分之百支持但是呢如果排擠掉讓台灣越來越窮我們的年輕人越來越沒有希望或我父母他們的醫療 |
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能夠接受到醫療的品質越來越差或我小孩的受教越來越不行我是擔心這個點不要說我擔心這個點就是我阻礙國防其實沒有我積極的百分之百的認同要增加國防就像我剛講的軍人的薪水您知不知道軍人的薪水因為我們三讀通過之後軍校很多他們招生是滿編的都是創之前很多年來今年是招生狀況最好的 |
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因為今年我們有增加了171億包括追加預算的60億在內增加了171億當我們一直要增加國防預算的同時其實 |
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軍人的薪水也是國防預算的一部分今年我們增加了171億所以是不是我們增加軍人的薪水讓他們在國內交費刺激經濟更好而不是買爆武器那買爆武器能不能夠帶來最後的和平其實我個人是質疑啦那您在這個院長的任內其實人家說您是史上最愛富裕的院長而且您的任內其實有四個特別預算同時在執行 |
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之前已經規劃了現在在執行或是有在規劃中有四個其實我算了一下大概1.2到1.5兆之間其實還蠻驚人的所以我們必須要替人民看守荷包我們還知道一件事情就是說國家的預算如果你是用特別條例的方式去做的話特別預算的話因為他是借錢 |
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1540.305 |
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你借錢是人民要還感覺是什麼就像我今天去吃喝玩樂結果帳單丟給我兒子去繳那我現在就擔心說請問一下這樣子狀況下你有沒有在任內能夠把這些特別預算借的錢還清的這個計畫我們每年依照最近的聖餘都必須依法來 |
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1564.514 |
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返還債務這個都是依法在進行的所以每年都有固定的比例要返還債務民能類是一定還不完所以我在這邊跟院長報告當我們對於我們的軍公教警消他們的待遇他們的退休金我們這麼跟他們斤斤計較的時候但是我們對於國外採購的武器他遲不交貨 |
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1585.222 |
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這個東西你們卻束手無策或者是我們今天一個前件也是一直沒有達到他交件的這個期程其實我們是很難過因為這每一筆都是幾千億百億千億的事情那這個東西大家好像不是很在乎可是對於我國的軍公教我們卻一再的跟他這樣子計較 |
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1602.278 |
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我想院長你還是要特別注意我們當然在乎啊 我跟委員說我們第一個考慮是財政的能力第二個考慮是國防的需求就是在財政永續 世代正義跟國防實力底下我們依照這個財政紀律來考量 |
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國防最重要的三個要素人、裝備、維護這三個東西我們考量的是整個國家的需求買爆武器、買爆維護但是人不夠不行啦國防有需要當然要武器啊您可以否認嗎我們現在軍方的邊線比狀況不佳您可以否認嗎 |
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但是敵人對我的威脅日益增強我們必須增強實力很謝謝委員能夠有這樣的體認 |
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三者必須均衡而不是國防的實力我看到的是什麼五萬塊買一張椅子一百二十塊買一瓶水那刪了五十億我們爆料出來了好 才刪了這五十億但是這五十億其實拿來加薪有多好我跟你講啦就是說我還是一個想法啦國防我絕對支持啦但是國家安全不能夠帶來財政崩潰也不能帶來民生排擠更不能帶來國軍的受害我們的財政能力必須先考量 |
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這很多的特別預算這個是債留子孫你也知道嘛你任內是還不完的這個會債留子孫包括馬太安西的特別預算你也有意見嗎什麼包括馬太安西的特別預算你也有意見我現在在跟你談國防你跟我扯馬太安西你說我搞了很多特別預算啊 |
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好啦 隨便你啦因為我們在意的是整個國家的財政紀律我所在意的是整個國家的財政紀律我不能只考慮五顆雞蛋或三顆雞蛋我不是在考慮那兩顆雞蛋的問題啦今天大家都有眼睛有耳朵我在跟你談國防的特別預算 您再跟我談嘛你說我搞了很多特別預算啊要不要再談生育補助 要不要再談租屋津貼 |
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你說我搞了很多特別預算最後我想朱溫的問題我們還是要提一下朱溫的問題爆發之後其實我有提了幾個跟大家想法不一樣就是說我們發現其實邊境走私的數量查獲的數量我有去查過去10年其實是遠高於民眾從國外帶入或者是自行申報或是被查獲 |
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然後再來我們也發現一個狀況就是廚餘到底該怎麼處理這個也是一個很大的問題再來司法也嚴重的侵犯這個我都開過記者會把實際案例都提出來了所以現在一個問題這些東西其實是中央管當然不是都行政院但這些東西很多是中央管的可是今天我們看到爆發了這件事情結果台中盧秀恩院長他後來有出來 |
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1781.893 |
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那個道歉而且有對幾個一級主管有下人事的命令那中央到目前為止似乎反正錯落地方然後就推給地方那我覺得反正民進黨常發生事情之後第一件事就是推責任千錯萬錯都不是我錯但是我想 |
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時間不長了我提兩個東西部長我沒有問你問題時間暫停部長請尊重我在質詢的權利好嗎沒有問你問題我沒有問你問題謝謝部長部長我想兩大問題廚餘還有獸醫的問題廚餘的部分確實很難解決 |
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那我也看到過去其實行政院農業部其實有編列預算讓大家去日本考察那日本他其實有一個環保飼料的做法當然他是不是適合我國我也想請大家看一下那再來就是獸醫的部分因為現在從事農牧場的獸醫其實就占我國獸醫的5.75%那是不是能夠增加一些誘因讓獸醫願意留下來為我們防疫盡力我想麻煩部長麻煩院長能夠參考 |
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好 謝謝兩位 兩位辛苦了 |