| IVOD_ID |
165205 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165205 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-10T11:24:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-10T11:32:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6fc2fc2b2fd269db735625ced0a4fe68838b731be938aed5f1b46b97931986280fb57351b41a9d0d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:24:57 - 11:32:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「企業併購法增訂第五章之一章名及第四十四條之二、第五十二條之一、第五十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王美惠等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員沈發惠等17人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員賴惠員等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。(第五案如於本次會議開始前未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【11月10日及13日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進那麼有請我們的經濟部的部長 國會主委兩位長官謝謝請教兩位長官 |
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今天的修廠創條例 產政部長可以起來就是一個要課稅的問題 這一定很小的事情當然也不是很小 但是基本上它是很細的東西就是我那個什麼時候要繳稅的問題那個部長 你覺得這樣修就會產生產業 |
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控股公司嗎 就很容易有嗎現在請問你喔 除了金控以外有沒有其他的集團 電視集團它也有控股公司的樣子 有沒有有啊 還有很多啦這個規模比較大一點鴻海本身也是一個控股公司很大的集團啊 怎麼不是呢大連大 這個 |
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很多都有啊那為什麼還要修這個現在都有了你們還要修這幹什麼我不知道產生的效益是怎樣因為對於很多的中小企業來講的話他們資金可能沒有那麼所以你是要控股公司要成立中小企業來帶中小企業有一些中小企業他們有這樣的意願這個時候政府的角色就很重要了請問 |
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你說要5年內成立15家的產業控股公司這15家我們國化會有沒有角色我們會受 就是我們是單一窗口那我們一旦受到建制後的話我們會看出它的性質是哪一個產業沒有 我就問你我簡單來講 用土話來講比較要單純一點啦你要不要投資啦你要不要出錢 |
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有可能啊要出多少錢 準備預算多少來發展這個我們會利用國發基金的資源然後看說哪一個產業其實是適合那你總應該 或者經濟部長可以回答心目中總應該有幾個產業吧有沒有幾個產業AI相關的 是嗎 |
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還是什麼我們那個產業並沒有限定說是哪一個產業現在我覺得這個法一修我覺得一定要藉這個機會消除台灣的荷蘭病的問題你看那股市都一直創新高可是你注意看到啊基本上就掌了AI的概念股而已其他都不掌了 |
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大部分的很多的股票基本上都跌的就是虛耳虛胖台灣目前面臨到很嚴重的荷蘭病所以這時候政府的力量要進來應該是怎麼樣讓其他非AI概念的產業能夠起來來兩位長官你們說所以這也是我們這次氣病法修法最主要原因就是說我們把一些傳產看有沒有辦法把它集合起來然後變大變強 |
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那你心目中只有幾個啊比如說幾個產業現在比如說像工具機啦或者是醫材啊還有一些像旅宿啦觀光這一些都有可能啊五年內15家產控公司大概規模多多大規模一般來講就是以上市上市櫃公司的這樣一個規模為主 |
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那他們是一個控股公司上市喔對 是不是對 控股公司上市另外一個問題這個財政部的可以解釋一下你們不覺得你們今天就是他股票真奇怪喔照理講我是被併購的比如說我被部長併購 |
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我就交接要換股啊交易已經完成了是不是 副署長是不是你是不是已經完成了是 換股的時候交易完成了那完成了我就該繳稅 該繳稅就繳稅啊為什麼可以拖到我賣掉才可能因為他換到的股票不是現金嘛然後他就會覺得說這個他比較沒有辦法繳稅所以給他一個誘因 然後降低這個 |
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我覺得修這條是很奇怪的不都是為誰開這個門只是我們查不到而已這裡面有貓膩今天修這個法有貓膩為了給誰開這個門你可以明顯的就是照理講今天我們病了照理講交易完成交易完成就應該課稅啊那個護書長是不是交易完成是不是要課稅 你告訴我一般都要啦 |
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對啊 我就提供了 等於產創條例提供的大漏洞讓他可以借這個來避稅來討稅喔 不能這樣子喔很多法是有緩客的機制啊要鼓勵啊 很多的法是有啊產創條例也有 就是對新創的部分它也有緩客的設計啊 因為 |
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員工分紅也是嘛因為他當時拿到股票但是他沒有現金啊他一定要實現真的拿到現金才有辦法去繳稅啊這我想也是合理的啦我是覺得啦另外 我要回到我基本要強調的就我們現在產業方才是M型化 |
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就只有一個一支獨秀其他都踢踢踏踏的不怎麼樣你現在來講的話我不認為這個能夠幫助這件事情沒辦法幫助吧至少他有一個剛剛去除掉就是說想要規模壯大不管是水平或是垂直整合起來的這樣機制不要說他們只是換股而已馬上就要繳一大筆的稅你有沒有鼓勵 沒有啦我不是問這個問題啊那有沒有鼓勵這一些 |
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的產控公司又要去投資美國有沒有沒有啦沒有啦如果如果是的話也是希望去那邊併購他們的通路好 最後一個小問題我問你我問好幾次你來這裡講得很樂觀關稅談得怎麼樣啊到現在已經20加N啊到現在為止都是20加N啊很慘欸部長啊 |
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樂觀的程度又加了 又增加樂觀什麼叫樂觀程度又加了所以這個也可以搞定這個也可以搞定嗎 這個也可以嗎這個時間我沒有辦法不然要怎麼用一拖二拖三拖四拖本來說最壞的習近平跟川普見了面大概就可以搞定 見面了也沒有搞定我們盡快他們下次見面是明年的春 |
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不會到那時候 不會到那時候不會到那時候會盡快什麼盡快 你來這裡說幾個改對不對 都沒有final我們的傳產人產傳產人產不會啦 怎麼不會呢我們現在就是要幫助這些啦不是 這沒福氣啦 這要炸的啦 |
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這沒問題啦 是啦 多元幫助啦剛才國務委主委提到的工具機最具體的就是談關稅因為工具機的關稅已經4.5%左右快要5% 還要加一個20% 所以25%左右這個關稅搞定比什麼都重要對對對 我們努力 對不對11月底可以嗎 |
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這個我們不知道 掃月底 我給你掃月底謝謝 不 今年可以吧 今年可以搞定吧謝謝 我們努力啊 謝謝謝謝 謝謝戴斯堡委員資訊 謝謝 謝謝部長 |