| IVOD_ID |
165201 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165201 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-10T10:43:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-10T10:54:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6fc2fc2b2fd269db9d1cb33711a26a62838b731be938aed5e8348dfcc66348a67b4bad54927d78b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:18 - 10:54:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「企業併購法增訂第五章之一章名及第四十四條之二、第五十二條之一、第五十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王美惠等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員沈發惠等17人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員賴惠員等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。(第五案如於本次會議開始前未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【11月10日及13日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我想要請我們工部長 |
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你的兄弟那個葉俊賢主委要不要一起好委員長我請教一下 |
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根據中金院研究員的研究他說台灣2024年從中國大陸進口了95.3%的稀土磁鐵那86.1%的稀土金屬混合物跟79.5%的氏化合物還有60.7%的稀土 |
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金屬那我想要請問未來如果即便就如同工部長所說的工研院的技術已經有辦法提升公斤級的這樣子的稀土也是從回收的材料裡面我們能夠有三分之一的從這些回收材料裡面來置給那三分之二其他三分之二怎麼辦 |
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報委員事實上那個三分之一也沒有辦法從回收完全所以還是要從國外進口進來以後我們做精煉所以三分之二去跟中國大陸買三分之二沒有我們現在是大部分是從間接的從美國 |
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歐盟或者是沒有直接直接是有但是比較少因為我們本身沒有精煉的這個技術所以你如果原礦進來台灣也沒有用因為沒有精煉技術將來是所以工研院為什麼這個精煉的技術要這個能量要把它build up起來就是這個理由那我們現在有一些企業已經跟比如說跟澳洲或者是其他國家有在談 |
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它的這個稀土進來以後我們可以做精煉這樣的情況那再加上有跟澳洲談有些廠商是有跟澳洲談沒有錯那 |
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再加上您剛才用回收的部分這樣加總起來大概會是佔我們總的需求我們本身國內的需求的三分之一那其他三分之二怎麼辦另外三分之二是會進口人家已經精煉好的像現在一樣就是像所謂的稀土的石鐵嘛 |
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對不對 都已經好了嘛或者是稀土金屬的混合物 對不對可是過去我們2024年喔還跟中國大陸進口了95%以上的 |
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尤其是稀土池田那未來這跟你們兩個都有相關性啊未來我們的無人機產業裡面的泳池馬達那他就必須要使用這些稀土的池田是不是對 沒有錯 |
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那怎么办呢那现在因为中国好像有一年的时间他要豁免了跟美国谈豁免了对对对所以我们跟他好像已经有宣布了对所以是跟大陆相关的那其他的国家包括不管是民主国家欧盟也好或是美国也好日本也好现在赶快要筹建 |
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所謂的飛鴻的供應鏈起來那當然需要我們一起支持的我們因為我們是間接的使用方嘛所以如果需要我們參加的話我們也會參加所以你們已經有辦法自己去製作在這個供應鏈上面稀土持鐵的部分 |
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現在分成兩個我們自己的部分剛剛提到的那個未來從一開始到2030年我們會那個三分之一的能量把它建置起來另外三分之二還是要從國外進口那國外進口你還是要跟包括歐盟日本還有其他國家來做合作直接進口它的磁鐵 |
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所以還是要跟其他國家合作進口磁鐵那怎麼樣子 跟哪一個國家合作本來就有一些供應鏈的關係就好像我們現在進口一些磁鐵有些是從日本來的有些是從歐盟來的有些是從美國來的就是日本 歐盟跟美國對 主要是在目前為止目前主要就是這三個國家 |
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那刚才大家在问起病法的时候那其实这个跟叶祖伟也有很大的相关性那目前你们规划的气病法里面那最主要的产业是不是受创最严重的扣件或者是那对于中部的机械产业或者是工具机的产业那到底目前大家认为整病的 |
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這樣子一個條件目前大家的看法是如何 |
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跟委员报告我们在修法之前的话其实有跟很多工协会去讨论比如说像工具机或者是衣材以及观光业者那这些产业其实都表达蛮肯定的一个态度就是说蛮支持这样的一个修法然后基本上说我们这一个气病法其实也没有说哪一个优先你只要有兴趣来申请我们都欢迎工部长有没有协助你 |
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我們會一起合作他有協助你嗎他不理你是不是會啦他沒有協助你的我們會建構一個還是你自己搞定大家有聽你大家願意聽國發會的嗎我們會建構一個平台因為這整合是不是這併購是merge是很困難的是不是 |
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因為每個公司有每個公司的考量嘛那他們到底要不要併購成一個大的公司那共同來打國際盃那之前在美國對等關稅之前其實就已經發生很大要整併就已經發生很大的困難我們政府要介入嘛 |
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陳岳控股公司他不是要把AB兩家公司併成一家公司我知道他是要把它整合成一個供應鏈還是獨立的兩個公司只是上面架一個控股公司那他的資源可以互通所以他只是控股公司每一個公司還是有自己的控制權他還是獨立的執行是不是 |
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就让各个公司有控制权就好像日月光它跟细品一样上面有个控制公司但是日月光还是做日月光的细品还是做细品的但是他们会有一些资源上的那我们中部的呢我们中部的公司也可以啊他们有意愿吗 |
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至少工具區的業者有跟我這樣提過有意願是嗎因為之前好像大家對於這個東西的想法都好像興趣不大是不是那主要就是剛剛提到因為租稅的問題吧才剛才要談這個部分就要繳很多很多的稅那這個根本就是還沒有產生利益就要付出一大筆錢這個他們很多的中小企業也沒這個錢所以為什麼一定要緩客 |
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好好好 我最後再問一題不曉得川普總統有沒有打電話跟工部長講就是他最高法院還沒接到 |
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最高法院對於美國的就是他援引的IEPA有可能給他推翻那即便他三個川普總統所提名的保守派的大法官都不贊同那在不贊同的情況下未來我們關稅就是美國的關稅對各國會怎麼談你們研判那對我們最重要的就是日韓了對不對 |
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對 因為對台灣來講的話我們還是要持續跟美國去談主要的理由是你也可以看到它有一些本來是對等關稅的項目裡面它要搬到232去那現在我們同時也跟美國在談232232才是我們的重點因為我們 |
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ICT产业大部分是落在这个232的项目里面可是232其实它我们当初过去啊就是国发会主委刘主委他有说是各国是同等的就是说同等但是我们后来发现232又有不同它对各国又有不同因为各国的那个产品是不同的嘛对不对它会有一些国家有一些豁免 |
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雖然針對是公司沒有錯但是他屬於哪一家國家的公司他給予一些豁免所以還是要談還是要談所以那這樣子對我們台灣的競爭力跟日韓相比有比較好 |
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甚至你看川普總統在吉隆坡跟泰國柬埔寨等等他們對於稀土的問題就是談稀土的開採那導致了這些國家他們的關稅都降到19%那我們跟其他東南亞的國家來講好像也沒比較好 |
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我們有兩塊嘛 對不對台灣的產業有兩塊嘛一塊我們一定會談往這個現在是暫時性的是20嘛我們一定會談比20還要低嘛而且不疊加嘛而且232裡面我們會希望談生有一些優惠的一些條件 |
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232會談成有一些優惠的條件是不是對對對好那對於中小企業的傳產呢你們就走這個企業就是企業控股公司這個路線嗎對 |
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各别的中小企业它的升级转型我们有特别预算或者是公务预算来支持他们如果他们要整病他们力量更大的话那有气病法来支持他们所以就是说有很多的这些升级转型的工具或它的中效可以产生中效的这个工具可以让他们来使用好 谢谢谢谢谢一峰委员的资讯谢谢 |