| IVOD_ID |
165196 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165196 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-10T09:53:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-10T10:05:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6fc2fc2b2fd269db7c5abfcba510f129838b731be938aed5e8348dfcc66348a644d40c79ee0f93675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:01 - 10:05:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「企業併購法增訂第五章之一章名及第四十四條之二、第五十二條之一、第五十四條條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員王美惠等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員沈發惠等17人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員賴惠員等20人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「企業併購法部分條文修正草案」案。(第五案如於本次會議開始前未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查) (詢答及處理)
【11月10日及13日二天一次會】） |
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感謝 這麼辛苦感冒這麼嚴重 還堅持自治會議的主席請到龔部長龔警部長 |
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張委員好6號我們發生了全國第一起水上的光電板的火災在這個 它也是全國最大規模的水上型光電的暗場在中華張濱工業區東側的輪位東光電廠發生了這個 |
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你看這在地上 燒得非常的這個嚴重那現在聯合 你看又是聯合再生又是小動物者的禍聯合再生出來說他說為什麼發生火災 |
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他說最近在現場有發現一些老鼠出沒可能是鳥屎啊咬到那個電線所以起火可是就有人講啊那邊是潮間帶那個土非常的那個鬆軟又是泥濘啊老鼠根本就去了就陷進去了所以到現在到目前為止調查的真相是怎麼樣子 人民要真相 |
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報告委員現在目前看起來應該是的確是那個電線走火啦至於是什麼原因造成這個可能由消防單位來做最後的確認跟鑑定是不是小老鼠或是什麼我們不知道不要一直都推給這個小動物小老鼠啦這是一個第二個當然真相要快因為6號就發生了嘛對不對要趕快把真相查清楚但是這個還是要消防單位來認定是比較你們要去推一下因為這是你們管的嘛 |
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要垂這個民眾非常關心這個案子不過他這個案場總共98個MW他現在受到傷害大概10個MW就是十分之一啦這個對我們供電也算是很大的一個很大的影響那更諷刺的是什麼更諷刺的這麼大的一個火災喔就消防車進不去耶而且拉水線也太長了水線太長而且可能也觸電啊所以到後來 |
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到後來最諷刺的是什麼要我們的消防員帶著乾粉的這個滅火器進去滅火這畫面太諷刺了他大概好像一個是不是一個多小時他就已經撲滅了燒了兩個多小時所以現在兩個多小時這個就是嚴重嘛第一個他在潮間帶這個生態生態受到影響這已經是一個他有燃燒嘛對不對浮桶跟這個光電板這個燃燒第二個你用 |
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你用那個滅火的時候 用那個乾粉這個老實講都是非常嚴重的第三個我們更要問9月開始你們就規定了喔他們都要提出災防的計畫書 對不對 |
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對 消防計畫 再生能源 聯合再生我瞭解他已經提了計畫書他什麼魅惑 來來來 兩個事情嘛第一個 他有預防如果發生火災要怎麼辦嗎第二個 如果發生火災他到底要怎麼魅惑 |
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是 報告委員因為委員一直很關心這個太陽光電所以我們在丹納斯颱風通過後我們在9月特別去修改電業登記規則要求所謂2MW就是2萬以上的太陽光電廠要訂災害防救計畫這是一個新的那我們現在對於未來他要有災害防救計畫我們才會核准既有的案場我們是要求他在 |
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11月17日以前提出那這個案場已經提出了 已經提了嘛對不對已經提了 那我們有 我就要問這個嘛經濟部說他已經提了嘛 對不對那他這次如果發生火災 他到了他的災他的這個防災計畫裡面 他到底怎麼救火 |
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他當然要通知當地的消防機關然後他要先自救那以這次來講他是消防車有到案場但是他的人員是透過自救來把這個火災撲滅 |
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那剛才委員提到災害防救計畫那這個我們他已經提出來我們是定在11月14會邀集當地的警消單位一起去審他的災害防救計畫那過去來講確實我們對於這種案場我們一個消防的處理原則那但是我們並沒有要求業者要訂災害防救計畫那也是丹納斯颱風之後我們現在特別新增要求 |
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有定是好的嘛 現在問題是不能只有做表面嘛 你這一次實際發生的就是 |
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你其實消防車不麻煩嗎?他有進去所以弄到後來他變成要抱著消防員跟業者抱著幹事的那個魅惑器進去你會同意用這樣一個方式嗎?這不會很諷刺嗎?因為他那個我是說你用他提的那個計畫要是可行的對不對?是是 而且要演練要演練嘛 他可能沒演練 他應該到目前沒演練你要再問一下 要對 要嚴重的就他的 |
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你不能做表面功夫啊 他給你的計畫書要可行 對不對當然不會 來來來 我給你看日本也發生過啦 日本在2019年三倉水庫他就發生這個連日本喔 日本本身 他本身是有那種特別的日本喔 他們的災害計畫書人家是寫得非常清楚有特殊的消防車喔 |
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他們大概100公尺都是可以救火的可是連發生這樣的一個火災連日本都沒辦法我今天是要提醒你第一個 你的計畫書不是拿來做好看的要不然就可以欺騙大眾啊這次實際上你發現他就沒辦法救嘛 |
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對不對可以救啦兩個多小時啊兩個多小時已經污染一個多小時啦那鋪面它毀損的面積就10公尺乘10公尺就100平方公尺因為它那個系統是連在一起一部分出問題那它整個地方要解連那所以影響比較大但是受災起火的面積事實上只有10乘10平方公尺就100平方公尺這樣 |
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所以經濟部認為這次還算可以控制就對了對不對我的意思是說這次在很短的時間就控制那所以我們未來當然該委員提到我們這個災害防救災害搶救我們要跟這個消防機關一起合作來檢視來精進這部分 |
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那個柏定你們把那個這次聯合再生提出來的防災的這個計畫書PO到網站上面去給全民知道現在不是只有對聯合再生要這樣要求只要是水上型或者是比較大型的那個光電日本人家都有做嘛對不對全世界比較先進的國家要給大家看了好不好我懂了如果他的計畫書寫的 |
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不要都要抹乾粉進去滅火的話這就麻煩了剛剛署長有提了我們會跟消防單位下去檢視他的這個防災計畫到底妥不妥適啦這個一定會啦至於說把他的文件PO在網路上這個我們可能要CHECK一下這樣是不是有違反什麼相關規定這個都是要救災防災啊這本來就要公開的我們會跟消防機關去CHECK他的這個防災計畫 |
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那個柏定這個應該是要公開的吧你覺得他有什麼任何機密見不得人要不自已吧我來確認一下是不是有這個相關規定沒有問題如果可以公開我們就來公開這一次 針對這一次 |
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因為這個用乾盆這個煤火器還有現場有燃燒嘛他會造成一些污染一直朝鮮待好不好所以對於他的污染到底有多大的污染怎麼去解決這個問題你要儘快對外要公開要公布好不好這是第一個那第二個 |
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原因到現在不清楚嘛要去追你跟那個消防署那邊消防局那邊要趕快把真相趕快跟民眾講現在更重要的是我剛才講的日本的計畫裡面一定都有消防他要有特殊的這個消防車你如果真的要設的話如果他連救災防止火災都做不到他就不應該設光墊在那裡啊今天是不是算運氣算不錯啊燒2點清車油有停啦對不對 |
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這次風太陽又來了 老實說你讓我自己給你選一個名字萬一有火災 到底要怎麼去防治要趕快去做 好不好那個計畫書不要是只有好看的抱歉 直接給我幾分鐘好不好我來問你一個上次上禮拜我跟你要的那個北門的那個案子光電那個案子 我們先來看一下光電如果要開發它整個這個環境影響的集合機制現在有三成嘛 對不對 |
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最鬆散的是地方說明會接下來是環境跟社會的檢核機制 接下來是環評對社會 確定對社會 對環境影響衝擊越大就應該審查的這個嚴格密度要越強對不對對嘛齁好 最後你要看一下你來看 我給你看下一個圖來 |
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右邊這個是室內的這個漁電共生左邊啦是室外的漁電共生室內的面積 你看 更大而且他在影響評估 影響 環境影響是大的你看左邊如果是台南 若是出生在黑邊皮路啊左邊他可能還可以飛進去對不對右邊根本進不去啊而且開發的強度室內的是多少下一張80% |
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室外最多只能蓋40%所以開發的強度跟跟對環境影響是不是室內的比較大對不對結果你們現在回了我一個文啊現在只要是室內的漁電共生現在連最鬆散的地方說明環社檢核全部都沒有說 |
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而且民眾來陳情說什麼在我家旁邊整個社區被光電板一直包圍起來了連說明會都沒辦耶然後我們上去查我們幫他上去查不管是台南市政府或者是你們網站上面 |
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也不想那個光電板包圍在什麼地方因為地面設施這個地面已經被使用掉了所以不會跟太陽能面板不會跟真地因為它已經是有一個寄存的地面設施存在了只是在這個地面設施上面 |
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那個地很多就是餘溫嘛 只是他都蓋了一個室內嘛 對不對啊室外已經以前 連審計部都已經 審計部都已經 審計部都已經糾正說你們要注意 環境受影響 現在虛弱之外 整個部長我知道那個 抱歉因為後面有人在質詢 我怕他 怕時間 我現在要簡單跟你講兩個重要觀念第一個我們讓民眾知道 現在我正在幫你問的就是你後來給我資料嘛 |
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我滿你做一件事情讓民眾知道你要用地圖的方式呈現說他旁邊到底哪個地方有光電板好不好這要趕快做民眾你家旁邊出現一堆的光電板像這個北門這開發案186公頃 |
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如果是你的話你會不會緊張啊旁邊你的周遭社區186公頃喔所以你要讓民眾會知道第二個就我剛講的檢討一下室內的那個漁電共生不要連地方的說明都沒有趕快去訂好不好謝謝謝謝謝謝張七開委員資訊謝謝 |