| IVOD_ID |
165176 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165176 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T12:07:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T12:14:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b25429c8c6a3a8c72d5ace2a188294f91e8053ceea3e5d74dbaf0ce63b1deebdab1372d823571c45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:25 - 12:14:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「因應無人載具大量投入現今戰場，國軍如何構建無人載具部隊及訓練規劃、裝備籌獲等具體做法」，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請顧立雄部長 請顧部長顧部長好 顧部長剛聽您在接受幾位委員答詢 其實講的都相對保守我確認幾個部分喔 就是現在國防部目前有提出特別預算的需求 是不是給行政院審議條例在送行政院審議 是那裡面有包括說預算的金額 規模 大小 |
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我想條例的這個部分在行政審議當中我知道條例裡面有包含有沒有包含嗎這個總 |
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有沒有包含可以講嘛如果國安不能講不能講沒關係我只是尊重但是我現在想講確認的是條例裡面有沒有包含規模跟時程是包含條例裡面有預算上限有預算上限嘛對嘛就跟我們處理特別條例一樣都一樣嘛有譬如說多少億的預算上限嘛好所以第一有預算的規模那第二審議當中所以你現在也不能證實或說如果行政院還沒有核定的話你也不能講我尊重因為這確實 |
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但是我們有看到最近有出現這所謂的公開閱覽那公開閱覽媒體也報導說他不是一個正式的招標公告是收集各界對於招標文件的意見所以未來招標公告也可能有出入對不對 |
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是 是嗎 好那問題來啦我們軍購也好或是一般的政府採購也好其實也蠻長的就是我們政府部門要做事情的時候我也會諮詢廠商的意見看合理的價格多少錢來編列預算然後到最後推出標案但不是說我一定指定給誰而是說我了解市場上的行情之後我推出來的這個標案 |
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透過公開採購招標的過程裡面那我們來做一個最終得標可是我們也知道我們的對象相對來講軍購就比較局限 美方 對不對那所以說對象比較局限那另外第二個部分通常我們在做這樣子的合理的一個推估的時候從來不會把我們的預算上限或是我們最低底線要編多少錢給講出來 |
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可是現在就有民進黨的委員到美國去講了一個1.3兆的數字啊 |
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那1.3兆數字出來之後全國華人才會覺得是說為什麼現在都在行政院審議當中你有條例裡面有但我沒有問因為我也不清楚我相信你也不方便講可是為什麼會出現1.3兆那1.3兆出來了不就是把底牌先出來給其他人看嗎那未來的這一些來投票的廠商或潛在的投票廠商他不就是會看你已經有1.3兆啊所以我即便我價格沒有那麼高我也可以喊到那麼高啊因為你到最後你有錢來買單啊 |
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來 1.3兆這怎麼來的 能不能評論方委員1.3兆這個數字我們實在無從得失沒有什麼無從得失 剛剛新聞已經出來了就民進黨的委員那兩個跑去 一個還是我們外交國防的兩個都外交國防的委員跑去美國 然後美國的報導中央社寫回來的啊我們國內大家媒體都寫啦 |
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包委員 這個我們無從得知因為他不是從國防部洩露出去的秘密這個不是國防部提供的資料好 那就行政院囉 |
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所以行政院透過民進黨的委員去跟美國放消息告訴美國說我們有這個錢啊你們放心的報價吧我想國安部沒有任何這樣的一個意思我相信你們沒有這個意思嘛這個我相信啊因為我覺得我們要成一件事情不可能我先透露底牌啊而且來透露了底牌是不是對於我們的溢價也會比較辛苦 |
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我覺得會啊您現在講的是個別的項目還是因為現在講的是整體的預算的上限整體的規模嘛那整體的規模可以透露嗎 |
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整體的規模現在就是還在行政院審議當中對 還在審議當中嘛 但本席想問的是說大家問正常管道都問不出來嘛但是就有一個1.3兆的數字出來啦那如果說到之後出來行政院核定我不知道但行政院感覺起來短期內在今年就會出來那行政院如果出來到最後是1.35兆 1.38兆那是不是合理懷疑他其實講得很正確啊 |
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我想我們對個別委員的發言只能表示尊重但是我們沒有辦法表示任何的意見部長我很難得其實我再次強調在法學界來講我尊重您過去的專業但是在過去這一年多您擔任國防部部長我很難得看到您那麼的沒有像以前那麼大鳴大放 |
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上有長官下也有同仁結果你變夾在中間然後好像什麼都不敢講那聯邦我們國軍弟兄捍衛應有的權益也沒有捍衛那我只講一件事啊真的大家想一下如果今天換位子今天是兩個國民黨的委員跑去美國講這個數字的話會被什麼樣輿論的攻擊邁台透露機密國安機密透露 |
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結果是兩個民進黨的國防委員會的委員 合適嗎那我們到底要不要特別預算捍衛中華民國 捍衛台灣 我都支持我願意用生命捍衛中華民國 跟大家一樣 |
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那但是如果說我們存在這樣的一個狀況我不知道他們是什麼心態是有被上層授意就是要先去透露風聲安撫美國安撫某些特定人士還是說他們只是轟型先知道了什麼消息所以說就是想要去搶個獨家啊但是重點是對於我們國軍弟兄我們今天討論這些東西然後結果大家啞口無言不覺得對國軍弟兄是一種傷害嗎 |
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部長我們繼續加油啦中華民國國防靠大家捍衛但是我們一起努力為中華民國打拚謝謝 |