| IVOD_ID |
165169 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165169 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T11:47:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T11:56:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b25429c8c6a3a8ce3dd8ec6fd06f17591e8053ceea3e5d7614279fc610c108c91e55a3148b2c4485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:47:10 - 11:56:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「因應無人載具大量投入現今戰場，國軍如何構建無人載具部隊及訓練規劃、裝備籌獲等具體做法」，並備質詢。） |
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主席我請顧部長我請教你 |
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我們台灣對外的採購武器坦白說我們在國際的局勢對我們很不利所以有很多需要去跟人家討協有很多我們會去受到委屈這我想日本人都可以體諒我們的鄉親也都可以體諒但是這個海群河 國難國責 |
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賴總統當選的時候 曾經有說要停了我請問是 你把他說好嗎你把他說好 所以說要繼續國見國照那個賴總統曾經要喊停那是部長你說服他嗎 |
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我那時候沒有要公佈我常常在公佈 因為那時候國安會也很重要的角色嘛是什麼人把他說服的我想這個潛艦國造的部分的建案是不是請海軍來做決定誰說服了賴總統要繼續推動的 |
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跟委員報告其實潛艦國造從很早開始從民國九十年開始所以說它是一貫的政策老總統當選的時候要喊停嘛那是誰說服他了報告委員我們沒有掌握到要喊停我們一直都是在因為這是一個必要的潛艦的一個國家不對稱的一個戰略也必須要持續去獲得這個 相信這部分沒辦法給他問這幾日你如果不知道老前帝會不會跟你說 |
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來 保證 我請教你海群河喔 已經付多少錢處理了 實際已經支付了多少錢這海群來回好來 各位報告原型建總共是493億那目前的部分我們都已經預約在開始付付多少錢啊現在我們還有將近還有 |
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因為測試還沒有在付給台船的預約款有三期是19.2億就是493減到20大概470億左右還有武器的部分沒關係啦對這個部分我們部長我請教你喔台準碰到這世界各國台海有八國這的共營商的合約書部長請教你有看過嗎 |
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詳細的那個客戶我沒有...你沒看?很可惜喔,因為伊利登基在法律界,你這麼賴啦應該這個合約書你來看到,我們可以省很多錢啦所以這個部分是由台存跟外國的供應商去處理你也沒看到這個合約,那這樣我們跟台存的合約你有看嗎? |
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我 想這是正經 就是說原型建的部分這是恰到以前的 我知道啦 但是你做補充後 你不想說外面窗戶到風風雨雨 你也拿一本回來看嗎 |
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跟委員報告他整個的合約就是海軍有個專案團隊我們有建造組那我們也有合約的這個部分有請專案律師還有兩千八百四十億因為這牽涉到阿伯七代啦所以大家關心的這家的盤子做完做一盤盤子就好了 不然在裡面再做盤子你阿伯再一樣的廁所繼續發生 |
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我們台灣的鄉親是不能挽留人的那在採訪的過程中有發生這個問題甚至設置目前現年看來有問題我很慎重請教顧部長在測試的這個海昆號有沒有焊接問題有沒有因為焊接造成的漏水問題 |
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沒有沒有 內部有漏水的問題嗎都做過水密的測試 都通過所有的發動機 包括現在沒辦法藏在水底有不可恢復的信訊嗎 |
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我沒聽過說你沒聽他們說過所以這裡的信箱都可以修理就對了目前都已經在做多部主機的測試我們在做前行前的最後測試跟裝備的檢診都可以修理都可以恢復所有這裡北角以上這裡的供應商供應的器材料都有合乎我們的檢測標準嗎 |
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因為我們所有的驗測的程序都要做 每個程序發現問題就解決問題那現在已經到了 |
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延遲就是因為發覺的一些問題就要做幫裝備的調效調效會涉及到不同的這個廠家跟我們專業團隊還有操作人員要共同解決這個問題我們現在的測試的延後在兩個月左右但是我們建造是正常我們現在正在目前都在加緊在做目標是這樣啦但是兩個月後會淡不淡也沒辦法保證是不是 |
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我們現在就是 朝這個目標來邁進可以達成使命那就是一月份下潛這個詳細的時間我們會在完成評估之後會再統一跟大家講但是將近不會太久你們這次做下潛測試準備有多少深度 |
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就我們之前的公勤的一個說明部分潛航 潛水潛航大概在50公尺上下我聽到5公尺 盲用5公尺報告員不會有這個情形嗎我們會審慎這個安全評估2026年1月份50公尺潛航測試多久時間看狀況 |
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現在目前沒有2026年1月前航50公尺這個時間沒有我說我們現在跟原先的設定的delay是兩個月那我們現在正在要說所以遙遙無期我剛才跟你鼓勵 |
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前行標準沒有意義啦是是 做好才來遲啦你叫你點了也沒意思啦 發生意外沒人答應去嘛但是有很多細節啦 時間的問題 我要講 針對那一群合我有很多細節要跟你們請教 所以希望你們做好我建議政府單位 你跟臺準 |
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合約書 你付台幣470億 我要請教你 台幣已經付給這家公營最多錢 |
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501.382 |
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現在400多億裡面就建造款的時候應該是368億所以現在因為他還沒有按照這個期程完成這個潛航的節點所以潛航的測試所以會在依照這個節點付款然後在完成潛航測試以後才會再陸續付後面的款項那實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
502.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
511.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
資物給七斤 資物給台船的這個 我想海軍470嘛 再來沒有沒有 台船已經付給這幾個國家的供應商的款項多少 你可以告訴我嗎 這個是機密嗎 |
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520.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
531.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
這不是 這我們後續再 已經付多少那實質上台船本身 移送適當的多個表金 它可以做多個事情你要提供給本縣這樣好不好是 沒問題 是 謝委員 |